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1. 12:29 AM - Re [9] (Tamra Carpenter)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: Fw: Canopy and UV (Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\))
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Fw: Canopy and UV (John Huft)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Fw: Canopy and UV (Chuck Jensen)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Fw: Canopy and UV (Ron Lee)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Ron Lee)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (Scott Bilinski)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Fw: Canopy and UV (Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\))
9. 07:00 AM - Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (info@matronics.com)
10. 07:06 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (Christopher Stone)
11. 07:10 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
12. 07:14 AM - Re: 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
13. 07:23 AM - RV6A for Sale (Bill)
14. 07:24 AM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Larry Pardue)
15. 07:36 AM - The Ultimate Online Pharmaceutical (Doctor)
16. 07:39 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Bob Collins)
17. 07:54 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Vincent Welch)
18. 07:55 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Jeff Point)
19. 08:03 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Joseph Larson)
20. 09:26 AM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Matt Dralle)
21. 09:32 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (WFACT01@aol.com)
22. 09:46 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (LarryRobertHelming)
23. 09:48 AM - Re:Firewall Sealant (Glaeser, Dennis A)
24. 10:17 AM - Seat Cushions for Sale ()
25. 11:31 AM - Wing root seals question (Charles heathco)
26. 11:31 AM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Ron Lee)
27. 11:32 AM - Re: New RV8A Vetterman Exhaust for Sale (Jerry Grimmonpre)
28. 11:54 AM - Re: Wing root seals question (Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\))
29. 12:01 PM - Re: Wing root seals question (sportav8r@aol.com)
30. 12:16 PM - Re: Wing root seals question (Mickey Coggins)
31. 12:17 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Larry Pardue)
32. 12:50 PM - Re: Notice:***Your email account will be suspended*** (Chuck)
33. 12:53 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Don Mack)
34. 01:20 PM - Re: Project Insurance (J.T. Helms)
35. 01:27 PM - Finn Lassen N#993FL (J.T. Helms)
36. 01:28 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Bob)
37. 01:57 PM - Re: Finn Lassen N#993FL (Scott Bilinski)
38. 02:16 PM - Re: New RV8A Vetterman Exhaust for Sale (Robert E. Lynch)
39. 02:44 PM - Re: Finn Lassen N#993FL (J.T. Helms)
40. 02:59 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Don Mack)
41. 03:53 PM - Uninjured : Finn Lassen N#993FL (Ed Anderson)
42. 05:03 PM - Re: Finn Lassen N#993FL (Finn Lassen)
43. 05:23 PM - Trio Alt Hold (Charles heathco)
44. 05:26 PM - Re: Project Insurance (John Ciolino)
45. 05:58 PM - Charles Wilhite (Roger Evenson)
46. 06:33 PM - Looking for RV-4 prop (Doug Weiler)
47. 08:49 PM - Heads-Up Display... (Matt Johnson)
48. 10:19 PM - Re: Heads-Up Display... (Joe Garner)
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| Subject: | Fw: Canopy and UV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
<snip>
Sorry, Glass blocks UV, plexi does not. I'm guessing, but I suspect
that
the tint makes no difference. I can attest to some vicious sunburns
from a
bubble canopy.
Dave,
RV6 in work
Stillwater Gardens (greenhouses) glass/plexi etc. :-)
<snip>
I have 2 RV's. One with Vans Standard Canopy and one with Todd's smoked
canopy. It is a fact that the smoked canopy is much cooler in the
cockpit than the non-smoked version. Not even a close call. I just had a
nice weekend x-country with the smoked canopy with no hat at 10k'and I
had no burns. Not even tanned. In the stock canopy Id be cooked to a
crisp. I don't know anything about light rays and UV characteristics. I
have no idea if plants would fair better in my back seat with tint or
not. But the "bake my head factor" is undeniably different. Tint makes a
HUGE difference.
Mike
RV6&8
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Canopy and UV |
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--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
I also have an 8 with a darkly tinted canopy. I do not sunburn easily,
but I have gotten sunburns flying on just local flights, 1 to 2 hours.
I live in the southwest. Home airport is 7650 msl, so I spend a lot of
time up high. Might be an extreme case.
John
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
><snip>
>Sorry, Glass blocks UV, plexi does not. I'm guessing, but I suspect
>that
>the tint makes no difference. I can attest to some vicious sunburns
>from a
>bubble canopy.
>Dave,
>RV6 in work
>Stillwater Gardens (greenhouses) glass/plexi etc. :-)
><snip>
>
>I have 2 RV's. One with Vans Standard Canopy and one with Todd's smoked
>canopy. It is a fact that the smoked canopy is much cooler in the
>cockpit than the non-smoked version. Not even a close call. I just had a
>nice weekend x-country with the smoked canopy with no hat at 10k'and I
>had no burns. Not even tanned. In the stock canopy Id be cooked to a
>crisp. I don't know anything about light rays and UV characteristics. I
>have no idea if plants would fair better in my back seat with tint or
>not. But the "bake my head factor" is undeniably different. Tint makes a
>HUGE difference.
>
>Mike
>RV6&8
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Canopy and UV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Mike,
Your observation is a good one, however, like most anecdotal
observations, there's a bit more to it. The tinted windshield, in a
Velocity, cuts down sharply on heat gain, even when parked facing south.
Since the Velo doesn't have a bubble, the free suntan/burn is not much
of an issue.
However, what you need to consider beyond the heat/no sunburn
observation is you may be blocking only UVB, not UVA. UVA doesn't cause
sunburn...just melanoma. Brimmed hat and/or sunscreen is still in
order.
Chuck
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fw: Canopy and UV
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
<snip>
Sorry, Glass blocks UV, plexi does not. I'm guessing, but I suspect
that
the tint makes no difference. I can attest to some vicious sunburns
from a
bubble canopy.
Dave,
RV6 in work
Stillwater Gardens (greenhouses) glass/plexi etc. :-)
<snip>
I have 2 RV's. One with Vans Standard Canopy and one with Todd's smoked
canopy. It is a fact that the smoked canopy is much cooler in the
cockpit than the non-smoked version. Not even a close call. I just had a
nice weekend x-country with the smoked canopy with no hat at 10k'and I
had no burns. Not even tanned. In the stock canopy Id be cooked to a
crisp. I don't know anything about light rays and UV characteristics. I
have no idea if plants would fair better in my back seat with tint or
not. But the "bake my head factor" is undeniably different. Tint makes a
HUGE difference.
Mike
RV6&8
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| Subject: | Fw: Canopy and UV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Tint makes a HUGE difference.
Mike, how does the tint affect visibility while night flying?
Does it affect pictures taken while flying?
My canopy is not smoked. I live at 6800' and typically
fly at 11,500' and higher where it is clear so UV rays
are worse here. I use sunscreen and use an Axius
sunshade to cut down on direct rays hitting me. I may
also add one of those thin mylar sunshades as well.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>My suggestion is that new builders do NOT cut the stick until they've
>flown and know how it will respond to a shorter stick.
>
>Dave
That I agree with. Even with a long stick the pilot can assess
where he likes to hold the stick and cut it if needed once that
position is determined. Obviously wiring issues must be
considered.
As another data point, I have had six or more other people
fly my plane (copilot side) with my shorter than stock stick
and no one had problems. However, I cannot state that they
or I would fly the plane better if the stick were stock length.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re:Firewall Sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Home Depot sells a silicone in a tube that expands when exposed to heat,
sealing any openings. Dont remember the name.
At 01:07 PM 9/25/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
>
>I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV land,
>to seal firewalls?
>
>Dave Emond
>
>RV10 - #40159
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Fw: Canopy and UV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I frankly can't tell the difference flying at night but I am sure there
is some difference. I have only had 1 hour night flying on my 8 so its
too early to tell but when flying that 1 hour under class B in Atlanta,
I never took notice to the fact that the canopy was tinted. Forgot all
about it.
As for pictures, it is far better. My wife Michelle, call sign "Photo"
is an amateur photographer and required me to get samples of both
canopies which I did. She was satisfied that the tint was not a big deal
and allowed me to build with the smoked canopy.
On her first flight with me, she of course jumped in with the camera and
took photos of my buddies plane in formation and what we found was that
with the tinted canopy, all the reflection glare was gone. In my 6 with
std canopy, virtually every picture has some canopy reflection and glare
in it. With the smoked canopy maybe 1 in 10 had the glare. So "Photo" is
happy happy with the tinted canopy. WHEW!
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fw: Canopy and UV
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Tint makes a HUGE difference.
Mike, how does the tint affect visibility while night flying?
Does it affect pictures taken while flying?
My canopy is not smoked. I live at 6800' and typically
fly at 11,500' and higher where it is clear so UV rays
are worse here. I use sunscreen and use an Axius
sunshade to cut down on direct rays hitting me. I may
also add one of those thin mylar sunshades as well.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re:Firewall Sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Proseal...?!
Have you ever put a flame to it? It burns almost as fast as gasoline! Not something
I would want on a firewall.
Silicone works well for sealing fittings, I still haven't found a sealer for filling
the SS nipple and firesleeve penetrations on my firewall. Bob suggests
a fire putty. I have been looking for something that expands and fills any voild
created by wires and/or tubing burning away.
My two pennys!!
Chris Stone
two RV-8s
one is wired
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan and Megan Johnson <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Use your left over proseal...its impervious to oil and works well here. I
have found a ton of uses for this stuff :)
Cheers
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
>
> I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV
land,
> to seal firewalls?
>
> Dave Emond
>
> RV10 - #40159
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
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For what reason ???
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| Subject: | 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Mickey - had the same problem - RV8 and Hooker. I had to grind down until it
fitted properly - also opened it up a bit.
I reflected upon whether removing some metal made the Hooker bracket subject
to getting ripped off the attachment - I figured that if the bracket
encountered such forces, that would be the least of my worries - the plane,
and I with it, would probably be in pieces anyway.
Michle
RV8 - Fuselage
PS - finally finished riveting the removable floor nutplates (#8 flathead
screws) - big job.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:28 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> I've got the 5-point hooker harness going into my RV8.
>
> The 5th attachment point seems to be a bit too small.
> Here are some photos:
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050919215924335
>
> Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
> do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill" <n2faith2@cs.com>
I, regrettably, need to sell my 6A. I'm building a 10 and no longer have
the room for both.
2001 RV6A 250TT AE SNEW, 0-360 A1A, Sensenich FP, Apollo GX65 GPS/COM,
PM1000 intercom, STEC 50 Dual-Axis A/P, Lasar Ignition, Leather, always
hangered.
Asking 90k.
E-mail for photos. N2faith2@cs.com
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Greetings,
I would like to respond to some questions and points listers have made.
The particular RV I have been referring to is very unlikely to be tail
heavy. It is an RV-6 with O-360 and a Hartzell constant speed. There is no
apparent reason for excess weight in the tail and, in fact, the tail does
not even have interior primer.
Several people have mentioned having to cut the stick off on their airplane
for clearance issues. As I mentioned in the original post, I did that also.
That is nothing like how the stick was trimmed in the subject airplane. It
is way down there.
If anyone doubts the effect I am talking about it is real easy to understand
it if you just keep gripping down further and further on your stick. There
is a point where you can not control the airplane precisely. About all you
can do is sort of heard it grossly up or down.
Also, as others have mentioned, I am in the habit of resting my arm on my
leg, during cross country flight, and gripping below the stick. Gripping
all the way below the stick on my airplane is still a lot higher than I can
get on my friends RV.
I have about equal time flying stick equipped aircraft with the right and
left hand, and to me flying my friend's airplane from the right seat, which
is what I did first, shows there is nothing wrong with the airplane. It
handles delightfully from there, and I was not prepared for the experience
of flying it from the left. It reminds me of a friends Dragonfly, that had
a similar elevator feel. That airplane had a stubby side stick. I thought
it was nasty, but he seemed to adjust to it fine as I think I could adjust
to this RV over time.
I just don't see the point though. What would be a reason to cut a stick
that short?
The last time I PIO'd an aircraft was my first solo flight in a Schweizer
1-26 in about 1968, a common experience in that particular aircraft. I have
flown quite a few types since, without a recurrence of that experience.
So cut it as short as you like, it is fine with me, and you will likely
think your plane is great. I was just trying to give a heads-up as to
possible consequences. I think I have a idea what the RV "feel" is and that
feel is important for me. My friend's plane does not have it.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Don't worry, it doesn't look legit. I got it too. Looks like Matt's
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Jeff Point
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--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
It was a virus trying to trick you into clicking on an attachment
that would do evil things. Because Matt strips all attachments, you
didn't get the actual virus, just the email that contained the
virus. So you're fine -- you weren't infected. (We all got the same
thing.) And you can ignore it.
-Joe
On Sep 26, 2005, at 9:09 AM, UFOBUCK@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
>
> I have received this notice that my participation on this e-mail
> list is
> about to be suspended.
>
> For what reason ???
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Yup, this is a bogus message and should be ignored. The Matronics
Spam filter appliance is down right now for repair and a spams are
hitting the List. I hope to have the Spam filter back up by
tomorrow. In the meantime, I have blocked this message from the list
with a filter.
Sorry for the scare!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
At 07:55 AM 9/26/2005 Monday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>Don't worry, it doesn't look legit. I got it too. Looks like Matt's
>email filter let one through.
>
>Jeff Point
>do not archive
>
> >I have received this notice that my participation on this e-mail list is
> >about to be suspended.
> >
> >For what reason ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re:Firewall Sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
HI- TRY---3M FIRE BARRIER SEALANT---PNCP25WB+--TOM
TOM WHELAN
249 HARDHILL RD NORTH BETHLEHEM CT. 06751 WFACT01@AOL.COM
TEL-203-2665300 FAX 203 266-5140
AIRPORT-CT01-----122.725
RV-8-SP-IO-540-350+HP---62HRS
S-51-MUSTANG-TURBINE
F-24 FAIRCHILD
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| Subject: | Re:Firewall Sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I bought a large tube of firewall putty at either Home Depot or Lowes. You
can also get the stuff at ACS. Seems it cost about $10 at HD. I got lots
left over. Too bad I couldn't find it in smaller tube.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 64 hours and grin is setting into
creases.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued,
is always beyond our grasp, but which,
if one sits quietly, may light upon you."
Nathaniel Hawthorne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant
> --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> Proseal...?!
>
> Have you ever put a flame to it? It burns almost as fast as gasoline!
> Not something I would want on a firewall.
>
> Silicone works well for sealing fittings, I still haven't found a sealer
> for filling the SS nipple and firesleeve penetrations on my firewall.
> Bob suggests a fire putty. I have been looking for something that expands
> and fills any voild created by wires and/or tubing burning away.
>
> My two pennys!!
>
> Chris Stone
>
> two RV-8s
> one is wired
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan and Megan Johnson <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
> <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
>
> Use your left over proseal...its impervious to oil and works well here. I
> have found a ton of uses for this stuff :)
> Cheers
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond@mweb.co.za>
>>
>> I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV
> land,
>> to seal firewalls?
>>
>> Dave Emond
>>
>> RV10 - #40159
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Firewall Sealant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
I haven't seen this mentioned on this thread yet:
Van's sells a firewall sealant: under Miscellaneous Items in their
on-line catalog:
Firewall Sealant 3.5 oz.
Part Number = MC-CS-1900
Price = $17.50
Dennis Glaeser
7A Wings
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| Subject: | Seat Cushions for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
The RV seat cushions have been promised to the first pilot who committed to
purchasing them; that was Ed Cole, so the cushions are gone.
Thanks to those who expressed an interest.
John At Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Wing root seals question |
autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I may have to put Tweetybird outside for a little while (6-A) and am concerned
about leakage at wing root seal, especially where the metal strip fastens to the
wing, as there is a definate potential for water to run under it and then maybe
get into the fuslage. I am considering clear silicon along that edge where
strip fasens to the wing, and maybe on the seal were it meets the fuslage as
well. Am I being over concerned, and/or has anyone done this? charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Larry, I never saw a length to indicate how long/short it is.
Mine is 11.5 inches from the welded bend below the seat
(near the fore aft bolt) to the top.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New RV8A Vetterman Exhaust for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Hi Robert ...
I am wondering if your exhaust will fit on my IO360-A1A with front facing
induction with my RV8A airframe.
Can you elaborate on an answer to the above question and also why the
exhaust will not fit on your engine/and RV8A airframe? The problem may
apply to my use of the exhaust as well.
Looking forward to your answer and thanks in advance.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
RV8A
jerry@mc.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: New RV8A Vetterman Exhaust for Sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
>
> Posted for Robert Lynch:
>
> I purchased the incorrect RV8A exhaust for my project. I have a brand new
> Vetterman EXH8A IO360M1B for sale $700.00 and I'll pay the shipping. The
> EGT
> holes are already drilled.
>
> Please email rv6lynch@earthlink.net or call 573-893-2291.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Robert Lynch
> Jefferson City, MO.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing root seals question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Best thing Charlie is to put a bead along the bottom skin as it
[protrudes from the fuse to the wing. You want a bead between the skin
and the fuse rib on the outside so that water will run down and out. A
small wheep hole where the skin meets the rear spar forks to exit out
will work to help get it out or you can just bring the silicone bead
along the forks so it will exit out the rear.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles heathco
Subject: RV-List: Wing root seals question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I may have to put Tweetybird outside for a little while (6-A) and am
concerned about leakage at wing root seal, especially where the metal
strip fastens to the wing, as there is a definate potential for water to
run under it and then maybe get into the fuslage. I am considering clear
silicon along that edge where strip fasens to the wing, and maybe on the
seal were it meets the fuslage as well. Am I being over concerned,
and/or has anyone done this? charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root seals question |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
This might be a good idea, Charlie. I've had water ingress there on my 6A. It
has actually filled the glass lens of my belly strobe! Amazingly, the strobe
will fire "under water." I keep meaning to investigate whether a few carefully
placed weep-holes in the bottom wing skin will divert this water before it
enters the fuselage, but never seem to get around to it. I have had my root fairings
off many times to work on antenna cabling, fuel tank leaks, and so forth,
so the silicone would have had to be parted and replaced many times in my
case.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles heathco <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Subject: RV-List: Wing root seals question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I may have to put Tweetybird outside for a little while (6-A) and am concerned
about leakage at wing root seal, especially where the metal strip fastens to the
wing, as there is a definate potential for water to run under it and then maybe
get into the fuslage. I am considering clear silicon along that edge where strip
fasens to the wing, and maybe on the seal were it meets the fuslage as well. Am
I being over concerned, and/or has anyone done this? charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root seals question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I may have to put Tweetybird outside for a little while (6-A) and am
> concerned about leakage at wing root seal, especially where the metal
> strip fastens to the wing, as there is a definate potential for water
> to run under it and then maybe get into the fuslage. I am considering
> clear silicon along that edge where strip fasens to the wing, and
> maybe on the seal were it meets the fuslage as well. Am I being over
> concerned, and/or has anyone done this? charlie Heathco
Charlie, Try some gap seal tape that the soaring guys use. Here's
a link to some: http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/misc.htm Essentially
it's 3M Polyethylene Film Tape 483.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On 9/26/05 12:29 PM, "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Larry, I never saw a length to indicate how long/short it is.
>
> Mine is 11.5 inches from the welded bend below the seat
> (near the fore aft bolt) to the top.
>
> Ron Lee
>
We'll be replacing the stick in a day or two. I should have a chance to
measure then.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Matt,
Thanks for all the years of "spam-free" communication exchanging. Keep up the
great work.
Chuck
Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Yup, this is a bogus message and should be ignored. The Matronics
Spam filter appliance is down right now for repair and a spams are
hitting the List. I hope to have the Spam filter back up by
tomorrow. In the meantime, I have blocked this message from the list
with a filter.
Sorry for the scare!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
At 07:55 AM 9/26/2005 Monday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point
>
>Don't worry, it doesn't look legit. I got it too. Looks like Matt's
>email filter let one through.
>
>Jeff Point
>do not archive
>
> >I have received this notice that my participation on this e-mail list is
> >about to be suspended.
> >
> >For what reason ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Project Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I just did this last week. Avemco for $60K was $600. VanGaurd - The RV
insurance folks were $670. AOPA was around $670 too.
Don Mack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance
All,
Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me
per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are
concerned it is just a pile of junk.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
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| Subject: | Project Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
If you choose AVEMCO for your builders risk, I'd suggest that you check with
us for in flight coverage. AVEMCO has been fairly competitive on builders
risks as we call them in the industry, but their in flight coverages are
generally much more expensive. Also, their liability coverages have some
drawbacks which should certainly be compared to AIG and the EAA's program.
Specifically, AVEMCO includes Family sublimits, and per person sublimits
while no other company includes those limitations on coverage.
AOPA is a broker just like anyone else you talk to (except AVEMCO the direct
writer.) There is no need to talk to more than one broker. The companies
will only work with one agent at a time. The exception to this rule is AIG
(unless you're currently with AIG), but their quotes will be exactly the
same to any agent based upon the same information input.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Light Aircraft Office
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mack
Subject: RE: RV-List: Project Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I just did this last week. Avemco for $60K was $600. VanGaurd - The RV
insurance folks were $670. AOPA was around $670 too.
Don Mack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance
All,
Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me
per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are
concerned it is just a pile of junk.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
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| Subject: | Finn Lassen N#993FL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Anyone know any particulars about the loss near Bell, FL this weekend?
Specifically, was Finn injured in the crash?
I cannot find any news reports on it. Not even an entry in the weekend log
on the Gilchrist County sheriff's log.
JT
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>
> > Larry, I never saw a length to indicate how long/short it is.
> >
> > Mine is 11.5 inches from the welded bend below the seat
> > (near the fore aft bolt) to the top.
> >
WARNING: For those without a sense of humor, disregard and delete now.
This is one of the funniest threads I have seen on the list. It goes
against all that comes natural to us men. We have a few pilots bragging
about mine is shorter than yours! In a sport where bigger, stronger and
larger is always better, now we are arguing about how shorter is better!!??
As I envisioned the length from the description, it sounded to me like the
stick was about 4 inches above the welded bend, just long enough to clear
the seat cushion and to hold onto with a fist. This would make it hard to
tell if the pilot was actually flying the plane or scratching his you know
what!
Keep up the debate, but do not archive.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: Finn Lassen N#993FL |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Highest injury is "None" so that is good news.
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 993FL Make/Model: EXP Description: VANS RV-3
Date: 09/26/2005 Time: 0015
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: BELL State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT LOCATED IN THE WOODS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, BELL, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
#
Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
#
Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
#
Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KGNV 260053Z 09003KT 10SM CLR 24/21 A3005
OTHER DATA
Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 09/26/2005
At 03:27 PM 9/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
>Anyone know any particulars about the loss near Bell, FL this weekend?
>
>Specifically, was Finn injured in the crash?
>
>I cannot find any news reports on it. Not even an entry in the weekend log
>on the Gilchrist County sheriff's log.
>
>JT
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: New RV8A Vetterman Exhaust for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
Jerry,
If you have a front facing induction system this is the exhaust you need.
My induction system is vertical up draft with a FAB facing forward. The
crossover runs behind the vertical fuel controller. If your system is a
forward induction the crossover pipes in front will be too close to your
induction system. I can take some photos if you'd like to show you what it
looks like.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Finn Lassen N#993FL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
That's where I got my info from originally, of course... The FAA. What
worried me was the circumstances unknown part... And it actually says
'unknown' on the crew injuries. That's a little vague even for the FAA
report. It's as if they found the plane in the trees with no one there.
I've known Finn for quite some time and am concerned.
JT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
Subject: Re: RV-List: Finn Lassen N#993FL
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
--> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Highest injury is "None" so that is good news.
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 993FL Make/Model: EXP Description: VANS RV-3
Date: 09/26/2005 Time: 0015
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: BELL State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT LOCATED IN THE WOODS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, BELL, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
#
Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
#
Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
#
Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: METAR KGNV 260053Z 09003KT 10SM CLR 24/21 A3005
OTHER DATA
Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 09/26/2005
At 03:27 PM 9/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
>Anyone know any particulars about the loss near Bell, FL this weekend?
>
>Specifically, was Finn injured in the crash?
>
>I cannot find any news reports on it. Not even an entry in the weekend
>log on the Gilchrist County sheriff's log.
>
>JT
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Project Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
Not really worried about in flight coverage. I suppose someone could push
the airplane out of the garage and down the driveway. In any case, without
the wings and fuel, not sure how long of flight it would be.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J.T. Helms
Subject: RE: RV-List: Project Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
If you choose AVEMCO for your builders risk, I'd suggest that you check with
us for in flight coverage. AVEMCO has been fairly competitive on builders
risks as we call them in the industry, but their in flight coverages are
generally much more expensive. Also, their liability coverages have some
drawbacks which should certainly be compared to AIG and the EAA's program.
Specifically, AVEMCO includes Family sublimits, and per person sublimits
while no other company includes those limitations on coverage.
AOPA is a broker just like anyone else you talk to (except AVEMCO the direct
writer.) There is no need to talk to more than one broker. The companies
will only work with one agent at a time. The exception to this rule is AIG
(unless you're currently with AIG), but their quotes will be exactly the
same to any agent based upon the same information input.
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager
NationAir Insurance Agency
Light Aircraft Office
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mack
Subject: RE: RV-List: Project Insurance
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
I just did this last week. Avemco for $60K was $600. VanGaurd - The RV
insurance folks were $670. AOPA was around $670 too.
Don Mack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance
All,
Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me
per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are
concerned it is just a pile of junk.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
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| Subject: | Uninjured : Finn Lassen N#993FL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Jim,
I got a message from Tracy Crook (Shady Bend Air Park Bell, Fl) saying that
Finn is OK. No indication of any injury.
The message:
The RV-3 is Finn's. Finn is OK but the RV is pretty much toast. I'll let
Finn tell the story when he is up to it.
Tracy (glad my friend Finn is still among the living)
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Finn Lassen N#993FL
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
> That's where I got my info from originally, of course... The FAA. What
> worried me was the circumstances unknown part... And it actually says
> 'unknown' on the crew injuries. That's a little vague even for the FAA
> report. It's as if they found the plane in the trees with no one there.
>
> I've known Finn for quite some time and am concerned.
>
> JT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bilinski
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Finn Lassen N#993FL
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
> --> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Highest injury is "None" so that is good news.
>
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 993FL Make/Model: EXP Description: VANS RV-3
> Date: 09/26/2005 Time: 0015
>
> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Unknown
>
> LOCATION
> City: BELL State: FL Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT LOCATED IN THE WOODS, CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, BELL, FL
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> #
> Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: 1
> #
> Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> #
> Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
>
> WEATHER: METAR KGNV 260053Z 09003KT 10SM CLR 24/21 A3005
>
> OTHER DATA
>
> Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time:
> Destination: Flt Plan: Wx
> Briefing:
> Last Radio Cont:
> Last Clearance:
>
> FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 09/26/2005
>
>
> At 03:27 PM 9/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>>
>>Anyone know any particulars about the loss near Bell, FL this weekend?
>>
>>Specifically, was Finn injured in the crash?
>>
>>I cannot find any news reports on it. Not even an entry in the weekend
>>log on the Gilchrist County sheriff's log.
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finn Lassen N#993FL |
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
I'm fine. Just 11 stitches on inside left leg and bunch of minor cuts
and bruises.
Plane is totaled.
Approach into dark field at night. Controlled flight into trees.
Van has designed heck of an airplane! My hat's off to him!
Don't expect any claims. No property damage (except for the plane - no
hull so no claim).
Actually crashed onto my own lot.
Finn
J.T. Helms wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
>
>Anyone know any particulars about the loss near Bell, FL this weekend?
>
>Specifically, was Finn injured in the crash?
>
>I cannot find any news reports on it. Not even an entry in the weekend log
>on the Gilchrist County sheriff's log.
>
>JT
>
>
>
>
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autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I just got my unit in this afternoon. I have a pix of the servo mounted and attatched
to the top side of the elv bell crank, sort of a guess as to the spot to
drill the bell crank for attatching the contr arm. as well as best way to fabricate
the mounting plate. I am probably one of the first group to get one, but
I would think tru trac setup would be about the same. I would apreciate any
advice and hopefully some detailed pix of working settups. Pls reply to my email.
Tnx Charlie heathco cheathco@gvtc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Project Insurance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Ciolino" <jbc2000@earthlink.net>
I just paid Nationair $699 for AIG comprehensive and liability. They charge
$119 for liability in case it rolls out of my garage, down the street and
kills someone.
John Ciolino
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> All,
> Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me
> per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are
> concerned it is just a pile of junk.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" <revenson@comcast.net>
Charles Wilhite, maker of carbon fiber canopies and baggage doors for RVs, has
lost all his email folders. So anyone talking with him should send an email to
him at:
c.wilhite@att.net.
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| Subject: | Looking for RV-4 prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
Fellow Listers:
A friend is looking for a replacement prop (used) for his 150 hp RV-4. He
would consider a wood or Sensenich prop. Contact me if you might know of
one.
Thanks
Doug Weiler
Pres, MN Wing
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| Subject: | Heads-Up Display... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Does anyone know where to buy a low cost Combiner and/or beamsplitter for creating
a DIY head up display? I am not an optics engineer
but I have read enough to realize you cant just use tinted glass... and I want
to make one.
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Heads-Up Display... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Garner <jgarner@dslextreme.com>
Matt Johnson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> Does anyone know where to buy a low cost Combiner and/or beamsplitter for creating
a DIY head up display? I am not an optics engineer
> but I have read enough to realize you cant just use tinted glass... and I want
to make one.
>
> - Matt
>
>
Check this thing on ebay. Uses an auto HUD with some external signal
processing....
Heads Up Display ASI Indicators for engine alarms & Lts
Item number: 4577695859
/Joe
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