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1. 12:03 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 04:36 AM - Re: List Responses (alan@reichertech.com)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: List responses (Chuck Jensen)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: List responses (Ed Anderson)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: List responses (Kyle Boatright)
6. 12:21 PM - [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (James Ochs)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (Kyle Boatright)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (James Ochs)
9. 01:52 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (Greg Young)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (James Ochs)
11. 03:55 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 06:14 PM - Re: [Fw: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] (Jamie Painter)
13. 06:47 PM - Vans Deluxe Fuel Caps (Scott Lewis)
14. 10:39 PM - RV6-A Harness Anchors (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RVSouthEast-List Usage Guidelines
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RVSouthEast-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RVSouthEast-List Policy Statement
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--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
> Time: 02:50:53 PM PST US
> From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: List responses
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Charles heathco wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
>>
>>Ive ben on the list now for about a year. have a 6a which I am working on
>> and doing stuff to all the time, didnt build it, but am a 66 yr old
>> gutsy type who will take on anything, and have done quite a few things
>> to upgrade "Tweetybird". I wanted to ask a generic question.... Why is
>> it that we can have 75 responses to gas prices crap, 100 responses to
>> another piece of usless drivel, and maybe one or two responses to a
>> question relating to fixing an actual problem with our
>> birds????????????? Charlie Heathco.
>
> Just be grateful you *don't* get 100 different opinions on the right way
> to do something that actually matters. Go to the archives & search
> 'primer'. :-)
<...>
Been there, done that! Yeesh.....
I have to agree with Charlie H, though. The fuel price thread is out of
control, and probably doesn't belong on this list. But am I griping?...
- Alan
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Charles,
That's because each mechanical problem has one or two solutions, each
political problem has one or two hundred opinions.
Chuck
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles heathco
Subject: RV-List: List responses
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Ive ben on the list now for about a year. have a 6a which I am working
on and doing stuff to all the time, didnt build it, but am a 66 yr old
gutsy type who will take on anything, and have done quite a few things
to upgrade "Tweetybird". I wanted to ask a generic question.... Why is
it that we can have 75 responses to gas prices crap, 100 responses to
another piece of usless drivel, and maybe one or two responses to a
question relating to fixing an actual problem with our
birds????????????? Charlie Heathco.
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| Subject: | Re: List responses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Charlie, the reason could be that everyone has an opinion on gas prices and
other useless drivel, but fewer have the knowledge or have experienced
related to a particular problem/topic you may wish to discuss. However, I
have also noticed that as Van's kits transitioned from the old pre
pre-punched kits to the new match-hole pre-punch members of the list seem to
have fewer questions related to building (understandable). Many currently
building have not and will not encounter the types of problems the earlier
kit builders faced . Therefore, the knowledge base on some topics is
probably decreasing - on the other hand the pre-punch kits bring their own
set of questions and problems {:>)
Ed A
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Subject: RV-List: List responses
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
>
> Ive ben on the list now for about a year. have a 6a which I am working on
> and doing stuff to all the time, didnt build it, but am a 66 yr old gutsy
> type who will take on anything, and have done quite a few things to
> upgrade "Tweetybird". I wanted to ask a generic question.... Why is it
> that we can have 75 responses to gas prices crap, 100 responses to another
> piece of usless drivel, and maybe one or two responses to a question
> relating to fixing an actual problem with our birds????????????? Charlie
> Heathco.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List responses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: List responses
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Charlie, the reason could be that everyone has an opinion on gas prices
> and
> other useless drivel, but fewer have the knowledge or have experienced
> related to a particular problem/topic you may wish to discuss. However, I
> have also noticed that as Van's kits transitioned from the old pre
> pre-punched kits to the new match-hole pre-punch members of the list seem
> to
> have fewer questions related to building (understandable). Many currently
> building have not and will not encounter the types of problems the earlier
> kit builders faced . Therefore, the knowledge base on some topics is
> probably decreasing - on the other hand the pre-punch kits bring their own
> set of questions and problems {:>)
>
> Ed A
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> .
It's also possible that people are making use of the single best tool in RV
Land - the Matronics Archives. Almost every question has already been asked
and answered a hundred times, so you don't need to post a question to the
list. Instead, you can get instant answers from the archives...
KB
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hi all,
sorry for the cross post, but I didn't get any feedback from the 10
list... any input would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
The RV-list archives have hundreds, perhaps thousands of posts relating to
corrosion protection and priming. The archives are the single most useful
tool you can utilize in building an RV (or any other aircraft, since there
is a wealth of systems information in there too...).
KB
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Subject: RV-List: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins]
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi all,
>
> sorry for the cross post, but I didn't get any feedback from the 10
> list... any input would be appreciated.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Hi Kyle,
I am aware of that. Anyone who has been subscribed to the list for more
than a week is aware of the archives becuase of posts like yours. The
question I am asking is around what to do while STORING the items BEFORE
priming and painting. I haven't found anything in the archives on that
issue. I would like to use something that isn't going to strip or
damage the alclad but is going to protect the skins and be easy to clean
off when it comes time to prep for painting. The hundreds of posts I
already spent two hours going through discussed what to do while
prepping for painting, and did not address my question. I would bet
there is someone active on the list that can answer my question in three
lines or less.
on a side note, I think it is even more annoying for someone to respond
to the list with "go search the archives" everytime anyone asks a
question without even reading what the question is about than it is for
someone to post a legitimate question that has already been discussed.
I spend just as much time in the archives as I do reading the list, as I
am sure many of the other people on this list who occasionally ask a
question do. While I'm ranting, I'd like to also say that if people
decide to discuss an issue related to flying or building in anyway and
you (in general not specifically you) aren't interested then find the
key on your keyboard marked "del" and use it.. How is it more
appropriate to post to the list saying "don't post to the list because
I'm not interested in what you have to say" than it is for someone to
continue a discussion they are interested in? This is email, the emails
have subject lines it really isn't that hard to skip the items you don't
care about. Geez.
thanks.
Kyle Boatright wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
>The RV-list archives have hundreds, perhaps thousands of posts relating to
>corrosion protection and priming. The archives are the single most useful
>tool you can utilize in building an RV (or any other aircraft, since there
>is a wealth of systems information in there too...).
>
>KB
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins]
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>sorry for the cross post, but I didn't get any feedback from the 10
>>list... any input would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
James, part of the problem could be that although you apologized for the
cross-post, you never actually brought over the original question... at
least I can't find it. All I see is the subject line that looks like a
plain vanilla primer question.
Given the twist you've added, e.g. pre-build storage w/o priming, I'd
suggest removing the plastic and spraying with LPS, ACF-50 or
Corrosion-X. I'd definitely remove the plastic even though the new stuff
is reportedly better than in older kits - Van's also recommends removing
it. Any of the anti-corrosion sprays are going to take a thorough
cleaning before primer or paint will adhere. If you ultimately plan to
use a one-step self-etching primer, I'd skip the spray/cleaning and go
straight to primer instead. Just spot prime whatever you scratch during
the build. If you want to use etch-alodine-epoxy or polish the skins
then I suspect you'll have to plan on a clean-up stage.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> I am aware of that. Anyone who has been subscribed to the
> list for more than a week is aware of the archives becuase of
> posts like yours. The question I am asking is around what to
> do while STORING the items BEFORE priming and painting. I
> haven't found anything in the archives on that issue. I
> would like to use something that isn't going to strip or
> damage the alclad but is going to protect the skins and be
> easy to clean off when it comes time to prep for painting.
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
Thanks Greg.
thats weird. My post shows the question part in my mailer... If nobody
else can see the question, then I understand the first response i got
;) here's the original q' but your answer covers it.
----
I'm working through my tail section and am probably either going to
paint the exterior of the peices when they are all completed or take
them all to a shop to have it painted when the kit is completed. I
looked at my horizontal stabilizer the other day and I noticed that
there was a big handprint (probably mine) that looked kind of gray and
fuzzy (and tough to wipe off so it wasn't just oil). Given that the
whole package wont be ready for paint for probably a year or more is
there something that I should do to ensure that I don't get corrosion
starting on the skins? When I was at vans they apparently put a light
coat of wd40 on them, which I am thinking about doing. Should I clean
it first, and if so with what? Or will the wd take care of it?
---
Do not archive
James
#40400
Greg Young wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>James, part of the problem could be that although you apologized for the
>cross-post, you never actually brought over the original question... at
>least I can't find it. All I see is the subject line that looks like a
>plain vanilla primer question.
>
>Given the twist you've added, e.g. pre-build storage w/o priming, I'd
>suggest removing the plastic and spraying with LPS, ACF-50 or
>Corrosion-X. I'd definitely remove the plastic even though the new stuff
>is reportedly better than in older kits - Van's also recommends removing
>it. Any of the anti-corrosion sprays are going to take a thorough
>cleaning before primer or paint will adhere. If you ultimately plan to
>use a one-step self-etching primer, I'd skip the spray/cleaning and go
>straight to primer instead. Just spot prime whatever you scratch during
>the build. If you want to use etch-alodine-epoxy or polish the skins
>then I suspect you'll have to plan on a clean-up stage.
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
>RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
>Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>>
>>Hi Kyle,
>>
>>I am aware of that. Anyone who has been subscribed to the
>>list for more than a week is aware of the archives becuase of
>>posts like yours. The question I am asking is around what to
>>do while STORING the items BEFORE priming and painting. I
>>haven't found anything in the archives on that issue. I
>>would like to use something that isn't going to strip or
>>damage the alclad but is going to protect the skins and be
>>easy to clean off when it comes time to prep for painting.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
One thing I will add to Greg's post is if you can, keep the parts in a climate
controlled area. Specifically, low humidity. Especially if you are anywhere
near the ocean or any other large salt water body. The alclad will do a good
job fighting corrosion on it's own as long as the plastic is removed. Keeping
it shiny while you are building has no major benefit if you are planning on
painting and concern has been raised about corrosion progressing unchecked under
the plastic. If you think you scratched through the alclad you can always
spot prime, WD40, alodine pen it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Flaps
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV-List: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins]
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
James, part of the problem could be that although you apologized for the cross-post,
you never actually brought over the original question... at least I can't
find it. All I see is the subject line that looks like a plain vanilla primer
question.
Given the twist you've added, e.g. pre-build storage w/o priming, I'd suggest removing
the plastic and spraying with LPS, ACF-50 or Corrosion-X. I'd definitely
remove the plastic even though the new stuff is reportedly better than in older
kits - Van's also recommends removing it. Any of the anti-corrosion sprays
are going to take a thorough cleaning before primer or paint will adhere. If
you ultimately plan to use a one-step self-etching primer, I'd skip the spray/cleaning
and go straight to primer instead. Just spot prime whatever you scratch
during the build. If you want to use etch-alodine-epoxy or polish the skins
then I suspect you'll have to plan on a clean-up stage.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
>
> Hi Kyle,
>
> I am aware of that. Anyone who has been subscribed to the list for
> more than a week is aware of the archives becuase of posts like yours.
> The question I am asking is around what to do while STORING the items
> BEFORE priming and painting. I haven't found anything in the archives
> on that issue. I would like to use something that isn't going to
> strip or damage the alclad but is going to protect the skins and be
> easy to clean off when it comes time to prep for painting.
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: RV10-List: corrosion protection of the outer skins] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
James (and others):
It appears that you forwarded an e-mail to the rv-list. Be aware that
when forwarding a message some e-mail clients will attach the original
message to a new message, and since the Matronics list server strips
attachments from e-mails we didn't get your original message. To
forward a message to the list you can either change the settings in
your client to not attach forwarded messages or (easier) simply copy
the text from the original message and paste into a new message. Hope
that helps.
do not archive
All The Best,
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A Fuselage
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Vans Deluxe Fuel Caps |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day all,
Does anyone have experience with the Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Vans.
I am interested in knowing how they look and how well they seal in
comparison to the standard caps. I wouldn't mind the ability to lock my
tanks.
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | RV6-A Harness Anchors |
7.50 BARRACUDA_HEADER_FP56 RBL: Blacklist bl.spamcop
[Blocked - see <http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?12.156.70.194>]
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
List I can't seem to locate the plan call out for installation of the shoulder
harness anchors? The anchors are numbered FB36 and came in bag 673. Any help with
the plan number or perhaps a picture would be appreciated.
Tom in Ohio
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