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1. 03:24 AM - Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator (Kevin Horton)
2. 05:26 AM - RTV and Manual trim (DAVID REEL)
3. 05:49 AM - BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator (Do not archive) (Ron Lee)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rain (Larry Mac Donald)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: RTV and Manual trim (Ron Lee)
6. 10:46 AM - Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator (Jerry2DT@AOL.COM)
7. 10:49 AM - Re:RV flooring & adhesive (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
8. 10:59 AM - Re:Rain (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
9. 11:15 AM - Re: Re:Rain (Konrad L. Werner)
10. 12:03 PM - Resale Values (Dan Beadle)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator ()
12. 01:20 PM - Re: Re:Rain (Terry Watson)
13. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator (Dan Checkoway)
14. 02:04 PM - Rain (archived) (Konrad L. Werner)
15. 02:47 PM - Re: Properly setting rivets with dimpled surfaces (Dan Charrois)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: Rain (archived) (Jim Jewell)
17. 06:06 PM - Re: Resale Values (Ron Lee)
18. 07:51 PM - Re: Resale Values (Doug Weiler)
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| Subject: | Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 11 Oct 2005, at 23:14, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> This brings up an interesting question which I am too simple to
> reason out for myself: at what angle does a quartering tailwind
> actually begin to be more help than hindrance to a pilot? A direct
> crosswind is not neutral from a groundspeed standpoint, since it
> requires a crab angle to compensate for, and reduces forward speed
> in the desired direction. A direct tailwind is obviously good.
> Variations between cross- and tail-winds produce a vector sum of
> good and bad effects, but at what angle does the net gain really
> begin? My hunch is that the "magic angle" will be 45 or 60 degrees
> off of a direct tailwind bearing, for reasons that have something
> to do with half-forgotten trig from the 11th grade. Somehow I
> don't think the answer varies with wind speed and true airspeed,
> but maybe it does. What's the answer, Dan? Inquiring minds want
> to know...
>
At typical RV and wind speeds, the wind only has to be a few degrees
off of a direct crosswind before it will help your ground speed. For
example, if your TAS is 160 kt, your track is 90 degrees, a wind of
20 kt from 360 degrees knocks your groundspeed down a whole knot to
159. If the wind direction changes 4 degrees to the west, to 356
degrees, your groundspeed is back up to 160. No wind forecast is
good enough to discern a 4 degree change in wind direction.
If the wind speed is higher, it must be more to the west before it
will help our east bound flyer. A 50 kt wind from 360 degrees gives
a ground speed of 152 kt. A wind from 351 degrees neither helps nor
hurts the ground speed, and winds further west obviously help.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | RTV and Manual trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Van's instructions say to use RTV to protect the manual trim cable where it penetrates
the horizontal stabilizer rib at an acute angle and the horizontal stabilizer
spar where the spar reinforcements don't allow the hole to be large enough
to accomodate a snap bushing. I didn't do this because I forgot during assembly
and now that the system is operating, I feel the increase in stick forces
needed to bend the trim cable as I operate the elevator. During operation,
the trim cable moves back and forth a little bit & using RTV at those joints
near the trim tab can only make the operation stiffer.
So, I'm asking if anyone has experience with manual trim that was not RTV'd and
what kind of cable wear occured at the spar and rib penetrations.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator (Do not archive) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>In the meantime, the http://www.rvproject.com/wx/ wind interpolator thing is
>going to stay ultra-simple. GREEN=tailwind, RED=headwind, using very simple
>math.
Dan, Tkank you, thank you, thank you
For using manly primary colors (Green and Red). I like it. It is intuitive.
And it saves a lot of time trying to do something I just had to brute force
get a general idea of before (especially with dial-up).
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
Wonderful,
It looks like "Corsair" "Austin" is back
Larry Mac Donald
Rochester N.Y.
Do not archive
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:20:23 -0700 "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net> writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
>
> HI Rvers,
> Today is a day, in my country, when, if you
> are a pilot, you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor
> for that matter, drive out to the airfield.
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| Subject: | Re: RTV and Manual trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
When I had my system apart to paint, there was a bushing in the back.
Must have been on the fuselage rib. I could move the cable so no
RTV was securely holding the cable housing. I honestly do not
recall any issues like you discuss from using the manual trim.
I will offer the option that I am inept and just do not sense it. Next time
I fly I will see if I detect the same thing you discuss.
Are you sure that the housing (not the inner metal cable) is secure
on the elevator?
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Brilliant, Dan. The FAA should pay you for this, far superior to what they
have. I use your site every time for cross country, a real benefit, and fast.
Thanks so much for it. I will use the "winds" today for a short flight KUAO
to KPSC, about an hour and 10... It occurred to me it might be possible for
the program to take your cruise speed and calculate optimum altitude for
shortest time... with adjustment for climb/descent???
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 04:02:17 AM PST US
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: RV-List: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I just finished a beta version of my new "great circle winds aloft
interpolator." This will you the winds aloft at various altitudes and
locations along a specified route. The goal is to help you pick an optimal
altitude for a cross-country flight.
I emphasize the word BETA. But please give it a shot...go to:
http://www.rvproject.com/wx/
...and click on "Winds" at the top. Enter your departure and destination
airports, and click Go.
Let me know if you see any funky behavior.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re:RV flooring & adhesive |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
VELCRO is the ticket here folks. Been using it for two years pilot side, no
problema!!!
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV flooring & adhesive
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV flooring & adhesive
I haven't gotten that far yet in my project, but, how about using snaps.
They work well in my boat. You can get a snap kit at any boat shop or
hardware store.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Wow! and I always heard scud running was a "bad thing"... Glad I live in
Oregon where opportunities abound!!! Great description, "Lyle"... Seriously,
very poetic. Austin, if you ever get to our Northwest, try the Columbia Gorge
around Cascade Locks on a nasty day...
Do not archive
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Time: 04:20:50 PM PST US
From: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rain
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
HI Rvers,
Today is a day, in my country, when, if you are a pilot,
you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor for that matter, drive
out
to the airfield.
For today we have wind and rain which beats so hard that my wipers barely
keep
up.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Anyone know what & where Austin is writing these days? Sure always enjoyed his
way with words!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:55 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re:Rain
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Wow! and I always heard scud running was a "bad thing"... Glad I live in
Oregon where opportunities abound!!! Great description, "Lyle"... Seriously,
very poetic. Austin, if you ever get to our Northwest, try the Columbia Gorge
around Cascade Locks on a nasty day...
Do not archive
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Time: 04:20:50 PM PST US
From: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rain
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
HI Rvers,
Today is a day, in my country, when, if you are a pilot,
you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor for that matter, drive
out
to the airfield.
For today we have wind and rain which beats so hard that my wipers barely
keep
up.
--
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INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0007 1.0000 -4.4816
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
I would like to hear from those of you who have actually sold an RV as
to the resale value, headaches, etc.
I am seriously looking at an RV-8. I am budgeting $75K for the project
(new engine). I would like to think that I can get out after a few
years of flying for close to my investment, less engine reserves, with
zero for my time.
My questions:
- How hard is it to sell an RV or other experimental vs. a
production aircraft?
- How long does it typically take to sell
- How well do the values hold up, neglecting the time investment?
- How hard is it to sell a tail dragger vs. a tricycle gear
configuration?
- Should there be any concern over ongoing liability after a
sale? If so, would parting out the airplane make more sense?
Thanks
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator |
--> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
> Thank you very much Dan!!!!! Your time and effort is really appreciated.
Kirk
> From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
> Date: 2005/10/12 Wed PM 01:42:21 EDT
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Brilliant, Dan. The FAA should pay you for this, far superior to what they
> have. I use your site every time for cross country, a real benefit, and fast.
> Thanks so much for it. I will use the "winds" today for a short flight KUAO
> to KPSC, about an hour and 10... It occurred to me it might be possible for
> the program to take your cruise speed and calculate optimum altitude for
> shortest time... with adjustment for climb/descent???
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> Time: 04:02:17 AM PST US
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Subject: RV-List: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I just finished a beta version of my new "great circle winds aloft
> interpolator." This will you the winds aloft at various altitudes and
> locations along a specified route. The goal is to help you pick an optimal
> altitude for a cross-country flight.
>
> I emphasize the word BETA. But please give it a shot...go to:
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/wx/
>
> ...and click on "Winds" at the top. Enter your departure and destination
> airports, and click Go.
>
> Let me know if you see any funky behavior.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
My guess is near Vancouver, British Columbia, and that the river is the
Frazer (Fraser?). I have really missed his stories on the RV list. Will
someone else take the Do Not Archive off this story so it goes to the
archives, or do I have to?
Terry
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Anyone know what & where Austin is writing these days? Sure always enjoyed
his way with words!
Wow! and I always heard scud running was a "bad thing"... Glad I live in
Oregon where opportunities abound!!! Great description, "Lyle"...
Seriously,
very poetic. Austin, if you ever get to our Northwest, try the Columbia
Gorge
around Cascade Locks on a nasty day...
Do not archive
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Time: 04:20:50 PM PST US
From: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rain
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
HI Rvers,
Today is a day, in my country, when, if you are a pilot,
you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor for that matter,
drive
out
to the airfield.
For today we have wind and rain which beats so hard that my wipers barely
keep
up.
--
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| Subject: | Re: BETA: Winds Aloft Interpolator |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Brilliant, Dan. The FAA should pay you for this, far superior to what
> they
> have. I use your site every time for cross country, a real benefit, and
> fast.
> Thanks so much for it. I will use the "winds" today for a short flight
> KUAO
> to KPSC, about an hour and 10... It occurred to me it might be possible
> for
> the program to take your cruise speed and calculate optimum altitude for
> shortest time... with adjustment for climb/descent???
Eventually it will. Keep in mind that I really build these tools for ME and
my flying, and of course I also want all the bells and whistles to make my
own life easier. But I only have so much free time outside of working to
pay the bills and flying the crap out of my -7. It will all happen in due
time.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Hi RVers,
Today is a day, in my country, when, if you are a pilot,
you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor for that matter, drive out
to the airfield.
For today we have wind and rain which beats so hard that my wipers barely keep
up.
But then, this was such a day when, at 17, and invincible, I completed my cross
country when everyone else turned back and, upon my return, was both congratulated
and vilified.
What the hell did I know ? it was all new to me to see rain run uphill on the windsreen,
and since I only had one day off a week and had spent whole days waiting
for the white light to go off on the tower, was up to the task. No radio
in those days, and no need to even crane your neck to see under the wing as to
what the ident for this particular ship was.
All I know was that I took off on 08 and assumed to come back the same way, especially
when I saw a Hurc sitting on the button of same, but NO, I found out later,
they wanted me to land on 26 after skimming at 600 over the shoreline and
black overcast, but the Hurc was a better indicator to me than the windsock,
which I could not find anyway.
And a steady green light I took to mean..OK, land !.....I mean, it was getting
blacker and windier and it wouldn't get better any time soon.
Pleased to get their aircraft back, the office staff told me that one Owen Lloyd
in the tower would like me to call.
Call, I did, and got a reaming I shall treasure always....but I was 17....a virgin
still, but a warrior of the sky just the same.
Which brings me back to today. For some reason, I relish a hellish day when I can
sit in an airplane with wings rocking and see if I can do more than just a
circuit to see if I am still at one with the elements.
Besides, I now have a metal prop and that makes a difference.
Well, takeoff is a non event other than the normal thrill an RV imparts, but climbing
out keeps me in practice of my dance steps as I head out East and follow
my beloved river.
Rain is so neat to watch steaming back in rivulets as it does with the speed that
an RV pulls it.
Low cloud base, but the visibilty is still surprisingly good and the rivers course
and sand bars with rainy day fishermen are still where they always are.
What a hoot, bending this way and that with the hills still far enough away, but
the tops of them and the giant Firs in mist.
Before long however, things close in somewhat and after the last bend the hills
rise steeply and one enters a canyon from which decisions are best wisely and
quickly made, however fun and thrilling this may be, for to fly another 5 minutes
this way means very bad things be lurking and even so, to get through and
land at the little grass strip where gliders live may mean that one would not
get home today or tomorrow, for the sake of 5 minutes more this way.
This river wends its way from countless galcial streams with clear ice
water to a torrent of brown, silt laden, rushing to the sea and creating the delta
upon which I live.
This silt can be seen for miles out into the gulf and as I turn to follow it, I
now have the outflow winds from the mountains at my back and I am racing at 209
mph on the GPS back toward the barn.
An RV is a very fast pony to race with, but also makes for a short entry time in
the log unless you decide to run a while longer while vis is good and traffic
is nowhere.
I can see a white line where waves break on the shore, and freighters from Asia
leave wakes a mile long behind them, and what great fun to drop down to about
300 along the shore and marvel at how now, I can actually see the speed which
altitude cannot give you....no head in the cockpit now, just a very gentle suggestion
to the right with two fingers and thumb, and we drop the wing and round
the corner of the point, level off, climb back where we belong, race over the
green pastures and call in for landing.
Straight ins are a bore, and no test of skill, so a short carrier approach with
speed bled off sits me down with satisfaction once again.
Sliding back the canopy and I get rain in the face and when the prop stops, the
only sound is banging hangar doors where some other RV builder has decided that
a rainy day at the airport is better than TV at home anytime, and therefore
a visit makes for a nice way to top off the day.
Even if it was way too poor to fly, I would still get a boot just to sit in the
cabin and watch the rain beat and listen to the wind sing her song.....
Rain was meant to flow uphill sometimes.
Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Properly setting rivets with dimpled surfaces |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Charrois <danlist@syz.com>
Hi everyone. A few days ago, I asked about the proper technique for
setting rivets in dimpled surfaces. My original intent was to write
back individually to everyone who replied, but the response and
variety of suggestions I got to my questions was so overwhelming, so
I thought I'd write a brief note summarizing what I've learned from
others and/or discovered on my own, in case anyone else out there is
just starting as I was, and has the same questions. Many of you
probably already know this, but for those who don't...
1. When judging the height of the shop head on a rivet set in two
dimpled surfaces, the height should be measured from the top of the
dimple (where the head starts to form), not the surface of the
surrounding material. This makes it a bit more tricky to use a rivet
height gauge, but absolutely critical to ensure that there is enough
actual head thickness. It's what I figured, but it's nice to have it
confirmed.
2. If a dimple is properly formed, it should fit well into a
countersink that is just slightly recessed more than enough for a
rivet to sit flush inside it. Just slightly is really only about
0.005" or so, as recommended by Van's. When I was doing my first
test pieces, there was no way that I could get a dimple to sit into
the appropriate countersink, until I realized that I wasn't being as
aggressive as I should have been on my dimples. The resulting
dimples had a somewhat rounded edge where they started, and this was
conflicting with a good fit against the sharp edge of the
countersink. Setting the dimple much more aggressively sharpened the
edges, and now they fit rather quite well. I presume that as long as
the thickness of the surrounding metal isn't being deformed by the
dies, it's tough to set a dimple too aggressively. If anyone knows
otherwise, please let me know.
3. If two dimples don't fit perfectly into one another, there's a
little trick to setting a flush rivet to let everything line up
perfectly. I tried it and it works great. Into a bucking bar or
something similar, machine a hole and appropriate countersink for the
rivet (basically, machine a simple female dimple die into a bucking
bar). Use riveting tape to tape the rivet in place. Use this
machined hole over the rivet as a bucking bar and give the rivet a
relatively light burst from the rivet gun. It will cause the rivet
to set itself and the surrounding dimple into place. Then, rivet as
normal. Some say they do this for all of their flush rivets and they
all turn out great.
4. Though some advocate using a #41 drill instead of #40 when using
dimpled holes to compensate for the hole stretching when dimpling,
it's kind of a diminishing returns kind of thing. It doesn't make a
huge difference, and can even be detrimental if the width of the
"neck" of the rivet passing through the sheets is actually supposed
to be enlarged to the size of a stretched #40 - for all we know, it
could have been engineered that way specifically, and a smaller hole
would mean a smaller neck, which would mean a weaker rivet. When in
doubt, stick to Van's plans...
5. I was having trouble setting rivets with the appropriate minimum
diameter and minimum shop head thickness. In a few cases, the rivets
would end up smaller than required for both the diameter and
thickness (so there was no way I could drive it any differently),
implying that the rivet wasn't long enough to form a good head. I
obtained a practice starter kit from GeoBeck, Inc (www.fly-gbi.com)
that included an Orndorff video (which was very informative) and some
practice materials apparently provided by Van's. In any case, my
less than perfect dimples made a less than perfect fit, making the
rivet a little short. And it looks like that practice kit routinely
called for rivets to be at least 1/32 shorter than the RV-10 kit
calls for when joining the same thicknesses of aluminum. So
hopefully on the plane, I'll have a bit more material in the rivet to
work with. I've started the real thing now on the vertical
stabilizer and so far everything's going okay, but I haven't reached
the point where I've had to actually rivet anything together yet, so
I don't know for sure how much easier it will be. It does appear as
though a rivet dropped in a hole has a substantially longer tail
poking out that I can bash.
6. I'll also see if I can find someone local who I can hit up for
advice and/or a bit of practical riveting experience with someone
who's been there before.
Again, thanks for everyone's help in getting me going. The advice
given by the members of this list is really invaluable in helping
reducing the likelihood of my making expensive (if not time
consuming) mistakes.
Thanks! Dan
--
Syzygy Research & Technology
Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
Phone: 780-961-2213
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hey Anonymous!,
Ya gone an done it again!
Don't stop hitting us in the heart like that! {[;-)
The damn paint can't dry fast enough,
Dry paint Dry, I gotta get airborne !!
One of your many fans
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rain (archived)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> Hi RVers,
> Today is a day, in my country, when, if you are a
> pilot, you would not normally push open the hangar door, nor for that
> matter, drive out to the airfield.
> For today we have wind and rain which beats so hard that my wipers barely
> keep up.
> But then, this was such a day when, at 17, and invincible, I completed my
> cross country when everyone else turned back and, upon my return, was both
> congratulated and vilified.
> What the hell did I know ? it was all new to me to see rain run uphill on
> the windsreen, and since I only had one day off a week and had spent whole
> days waiting for the white light to go off on the tower, was up to the
> task. No radio in those days, and no need to even crane your neck to see
> under the wing as to what the ident for this particular ship was.
> All I know was that I took off on 08 and assumed to come back the same
> way, especially when I saw a Hurc sitting on the button of same, but NO, I
> found out later, they wanted me to land on 26 after skimming at 600 over
> the shoreline and black overcast, but the Hurc was a better indicator to
> me than the windsock, which I could not find anyway.
> And a steady green light I took to mean..OK, land !.....I mean, it was
> getting blacker and windier and it wouldn't get better any time soon.
> Pleased to get their aircraft back, the office staff told me that one Owen
> Lloyd in the tower would like me to call.
> Call, I did, and got a reaming I shall treasure always....but I was
> 17....a virgin still, but a warrior of the sky just the same.
> Which brings me back to today. For some reason, I relish a hellish day
> when I can sit in an airplane with wings rocking and see if I can do more
> than just a circuit to see if I am still at one with the elements.
> Besides, I now have a metal prop and that makes a difference.
> Well, takeoff is a non event other than the normal thrill an RV imparts,
> but climbing out keeps me in practice of my dance steps as I head out East
> and follow my beloved river.
> Rain is so neat to watch steaming back in rivulets as it does with the
> speed that an RV pulls it.
> Low cloud base, but the visibilty is still surprisingly good and the
> rivers course and sand bars with rainy day fishermen are still where they
> always are.
> What a hoot, bending this way and that with the hills still far enough
> away, but the tops of them and the giant Firs in mist.
> Before long however, things close in somewhat and after the last bend the
> hills rise steeply and one enters a canyon from which decisions are best
> wisely and quickly made, however fun and thrilling this may be, for to fly
> another 5 minutes this way means very bad things be lurking and even so,
> to get through and land at the little grass strip where gliders live may
> mean that one would not get home today or tomorrow, for the sake of 5
> minutes more this way.
> This river wends its way from countless galcial streams with clear
> ice water to a torrent of brown, silt laden, rushing to the sea and
> creating the delta upon which I live.
> This silt can be seen for miles out into the gulf and as I turn to follow
> it, I now have the outflow winds from the mountains at my back and I am
> racing at 209 mph on the GPS back toward the barn.
> An RV is a very fast pony to race with, but also makes for a short entry
> time in the log unless you decide to run a while longer while vis is good
> and traffic is nowhere.
> I can see a white line where waves break on the shore, and freighters from
> Asia leave wakes a mile long behind them, and what great fun to drop down
> to about 300 along the shore and marvel at how now, I can actually see the
> speed which altitude cannot give you....no head in the cockpit now, just a
> very gentle suggestion to the right with two fingers and thumb, and we
> drop the wing and round the corner of the point, level off, climb back
> where we belong, race over the green pastures and call in for landing.
> Straight ins are a bore, and no test of skill, so a short carrier approach
> with speed bled off sits me down with satisfaction once again.
> Sliding back the canopy and I get rain in the face and when the prop
> stops, the only sound is banging hangar doors where some other RV builder
> has decided that a rainy day at the airport is better than TV at home
> anytime, and therefore a visit makes for a nice way to top off the day.
> Even if it was way too poor to fly, I would still get a boot just to sit
> in the cabin and watch the rain beat and listen to the wind sing her
> song.....
> Rain was meant to flow uphill sometimes.
> Anonymous
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>I am seriously looking at an RV-8. I am budgeting $75K for the project
>(new engine). I would like to think that I can get out after a few
>years of flying for close to my investment, less engine reserves, with
>zero for my time.
Don't paint it purple and you should be ok.
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
>
>
>> I am seriously looking at an RV-8. I am budgeting $75K for the project
>> (new engine). I would like to think that I can get out after a few
>> years of flying for close to my investment, less engine reserves, with
>> zero for my time.
I bought an RV-4 in 2000 for $63K and sold it two years later for $65K. I
think RV maintain or appreciate in value certainly better than any other
experimental aircraft. I have also been involved in pricing and helping to
sell several RVs in the Minneapolis area and all sold for much more than the
builder had into them. Obviously RV-6s and RV-4s may have been stagnant in
light of new and better models to compete against them. But I would feel my
$75K investment in an RV-8 would be sound.;
Doug Weiler
Pres, MN Wing
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