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1. 06:06 AM - Seats - Classic Aero Designs (rveighta)
2. 06:29 AM - Re: RTV and Manual trim (Jack Fromm)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Seats - Classic Aero Designs (Smitty)
4. 08:24 AM - Free Books (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
5. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: RTV and Manual trim (Ed Anderson)
6. 12:18 PM - Re: Resale Values (Ron Lee)
7. 01:53 PM - Drawings Needed (Darrell Reiley)
8. 02:09 PM - Re: Resale Values ()
9. 02:50 PM - Re: Resale Values (Ron Lee)
10. 03:25 PM - Re: Resale Values (Darrell Reiley)
11. 03:57 PM - RV10A (flamini2)
12. 04:44 PM - Re: Resale Values (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
13. 05:18 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Larry Pardue)
14. 05:30 PM - Re: Resale Values (Darrell Reiley)
15. 06:12 PM - Re: Resale Values (Jerry Springer)
16. 07:39 PM - Re: Resale Values (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
17. 07:48 PM - Re: Resale Values (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: Resale Values (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
19. 08:14 PM - Re: Resale Values. Do not archive (Ron Lee)
20. 08:19 PM - Re: Resale Values. Do not archive (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Seats - Classic Aero Designs |
--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Guys, I just received the seats for my RV-8 from Luke at Classic Aero Designs;
they're
top notch in appearance and workmanship. My seats were made from "Allante AL
Grey" vinyl and everyone who see them swear they look just like leather.
Just wanted to pass this on for your consideration. It's nice when a product exceeds
your expectations
Walt Shipley
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| Subject: | Re: RTV and Manual trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Fromm" <jfromm1@hotmail.com>
Dave,
I know just what you're talking about. I did RTV mine at final assembly,
but I left it alone to allow the RTV time to cure and didn't really notice
that at full elevator deflection the cable moves fore and aft inside the
rear spar. When I did my first condition inspection a couple of months ago,
I did notice it and also noticed that because of that motion, the cable had
pulled free of the RTV. That disturbed me and I carefully checked the
sheath for wear but thankfully didn't detect any. This is after 100 hours.
I'm sure it will eventually wear through, but how many hours that will take,
I have no way of knowing. I figured that when I put the plane in the paint
shop and had the elevator off I would try to come up with some way of better
protecting the cable but I honestly don't know how it can be done. Even if
you could manage to fit something around the sheath it's only going to
restrict its movement and further add to the stick forces. A check of the
archives didn't yield any better ideas.
Jack Fromm
RV-8 QB 81120
Flying - 110 hours
<<So, I'm asking if anyone has experience with manual trim that was not
RTV'd and
what kind of cable wear occured at the spar and rib penetrations.>>
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Seats - Classic Aero Designs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Cool! Got some pics?
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>
> Guys, I just received the seats for my RV-8 from Luke at Classic Aero
> Designs; they're
> top notch in appearance and workmanship. My seats were made from "Allante
> AL
> Grey" vinyl and everyone who see them swear they look just like leather.
>
> Just wanted to pass this on for your consideration. It's nice when a
> product exceeds
> your expectations
>
> Walt Shipley
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
2005 FAR/AIMs by Jeppesen
Private Pilot Test Guides - 2005
Instrument Pilot Test Guides - 2005
Commercial Pilot Test Guides - 2005
A&P Airframe Test Guides - 2005
Every year when these items revise to the next edition, we have a certain
number still on the shelf that we send back the covers for credit and then
discard the otherwise complete book. I'm never happy doing this since the
books are still perfectly good regarding its content and purpose. So, this
year, while they last, we'll give them away Free to anyone who wants them
along with any other regular order from Builders Bookstore or PilotsBooks.
the rules:
1] Get a maximum of one of each title (five books) free with any order of
any size. Don't feel guilty about getting all five books free when your
order is nothing more than a sectional chart. I really just want to not
have to throw them away.
2] If you place your order by phone, just tell us you which ones you want.
If you place your order on the web site, write what you want in the special
instructions box on the on-line order form. Don't hit "add to cart" for
these or you'll get the 2006 editions and get charged for them.
3] On the 2005 FAR/AIMs, you have a choice of without covers for free, or an
intact one with covers for $11. Specify which you want. The $11 intact
book still qualifies you for the Test Guides for free.
4] We'll run this special till October 21st or untill they run out.
Thanks,
Andy
800 780-4115
Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com
PilotsBooks
www.PilotsBooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: RTV and Manual trim |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Something you might consider. While there is not room for cable grommets,
you might consider a section of tubing of some of the abrasive resistant
plastics. They are much thinner than a grommet, are flexible and certainly
less messy than RTV. If you have not installed the cable, you might
consider getting a length of (5/8" dia or whatever dia the cable is plus
1/8" larger) plastic tubing and cut a 6 -8" long section out and slip it
over the end of your cable. A plastic electric tie or even safety wire
around each end should hold it to the trim cable in the area you want. Put
the ties where this is no likelihood of it hanging up on a flange, etc.
McMaster.com has a large selection of tubing that might be suitable with a
description
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Something like the PTFE & PFA Tubing looks like it might work.
Ed A
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Fromm" <jfromm1@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: RTV and Manual trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Fromm" <jfromm1@hotmail.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I know just what you're talking about. I did RTV mine at final assembly,
> but I left it alone to allow the RTV time to cure and didn't really notice
> that at full elevator deflection the cable moves fore and aft inside the
> rear spar. When I did my first condition inspection a couple of months
> ago,
> I did notice it and also noticed that because of that motion, the cable
> had
> pulled free of the RTV. That disturbed me and I carefully checked the
> sheath for wear but thankfully didn't detect any. This is after 100
> hours.
> I'm sure it will eventually wear through, but how many hours that will
> take,
> I have no way of knowing. I figured that when I put the plane in the
> paint
> shop and had the elevator off I would try to come up with some way of
> better
> protecting the cable but I honestly don't know how it can be done. Even
> if
> you could manage to fit something around the sheath it's only going to
> restrict its movement and further add to the stick forces. A check of the
> archives didn't yield any better ideas.
>
> Jack Fromm
> RV-8 QB 81120
> Flying - 110 hours
>
> <<So, I'm asking if anyone has experience with manual trim that was not
> RTV'd and
> what kind of cable wear occured at the spar and rib penetrations.>>
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
to RV-6, -7 as well
Careful on paint job.
Ron Lee
00V at 6840' MSL
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
List,
I'm looking for drawings OP26, OP27, OP28 and OP29 for RV7 or RV9.
Can anyone help? A PDF file would be great!
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
Well, Ron, I am at 7489-ft (0V2) and routinely fly into and out of
Leadville at a few short of 10,000 with my 160-HP Lycoming in my RV6A and
have no problems, and see 175TAS at 2,300 rpm and 6.1 gph...you can use
whatever HP you wish, but unless its just a macho thing, I can't see that it
is needed. FWIW
John at Salida, CO
>
> One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
> IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
> to RV-6, -7 as well
>
> Careful on paint job.
>
> Ron Lee
> 00V at 6840' MSL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
No doubt you can John but how often do you see people removing
an engine to install one of lesser horsepower? The opposite happens often.
If you want the best resale value my suggestion is valid.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
At 03:08 PM 10/13/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
>
>Well, Ron, I am at 7489-ft (0V2) and routinely fly into and out of
>Leadville at a few short of 10,000 with my 160-HP Lycoming in my RV6A and
>have no problems, and see 175TAS at 2,300 rpm and 6.1 gph...you can use
>whatever HP you wish, but unless its just a macho thing, I can't see that it
>is needed. FWIW
>John at Salida, CO
>
> >
> > One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
> > IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
> > to RV-6, -7 as well
> >
> > Careful on paint job.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> > 00V at 6840' MSL
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
First (do not archive)
Ron,
There are 40K RV's and there are 125K RV's. There are VFR RV's and IFR RV's. I
believe each individual has there own ideas. And the wallet is another consideration.
You can build or buy in any of these catagories. Just as there are Corolla
vs Lexus automobiles there will be a buyer if the plane is priced correctly.
Darrell
n1cxo320@peoplepc.com wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by:
Well, Ron, I am at 7489-ft (0V2) and routinely fly into and out of
Leadville at a few short of 10,000 with my 160-HP Lycoming in my RV6A and
have no problems, and see 175TAS at 2,300 rpm and 6.1 gph...you can use
whatever HP you wish, but unless its just a macho thing, I can't see that it
is needed. FWIW
John at Salida, CO
>
> One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
> IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
> to RV-6, -7 as well
>
> Careful on paint job.
>
> Ron Lee
> 00V at 6840' MSL
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
Just heard N256H an RV10A on the scanner in Chicago climbing to 9,500 on way to
Grand Rapids.
Registered to INDIGENOUS PEOPLES TECHNOLOGY & EDUCATION CTR INC
built by Steve Saint Dunnellon, Florida.
Dennis in Chicago
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
I agree with Ron. Now flying the 3rd RV, all with 180HP. IMHO that is the
ideal engine for theses birds.
Doug Preston
RV7
N731RV
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Handling RV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
I reported, a while back, on an RV I had the privilege of flying that I
thought had unpleasant handling.
It took longer than expected to install a new, longer, stick along with new
grip and new wiring for elevator and aileron trim along with new relay
decks.
Today, I was able to fly the RV-6 with it's new configuration.
To me, the airplane is pretty much transformed. Instead of needing great
concentration to fly well or land acceptably it feels natural and easy to
fly. This airplane is more nose heavy than mine, because of a constant
speed propeller, and is heavier on the elevator, but that is an esthetic
consideration, more than a safety one. I prefer the handling of my, nose
lighter, RV, but enjoy flying this one thoroughly.
A lister wanted to know about stick lengths, but during this conversion I
found that stick lengths are pretty much irrelevant because of the
variations in grips and where they put your hand in relation to the top of
the stick. The grip we bought from Van's puts your hand much higher than
the grip that was installed on the airplane. If one was to compare, I think
distance to the top of the index finger, would be what one is interested in.
On this airplane, a lot of stick trimming was necessary to clear
obstructions in the cockpit; I think it would be nicer with more stick
length.
My advice would be to make the stick as long as possible, but that is just
my opinion.
See yall at LOE.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
ideal is not the question, each individual situation is.
Darrell
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DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
I agree with Ron. Now flying the 3rd RV, all with 180HP. IMHO that is the
ideal engine for theses birds.
Doug Preston
RV7
N731RV
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Darrell
RV7A - 622DR Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Ron Lee wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
>IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
>to RV-6, -7 as well
>
>Careful on paint job.
>
>Ron Lee
>00V at 6840' MSL
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
I have a 180HP Lycoming on my RV-6 and have flown a variety of RVs over
the years from 150HP up to 200HP.
Power is nice but IMO the best all around flying RV-6 is one with a 160
HP with a CS prop.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 10/13/2005 1:19:52 PM Central Standard Time,
ronlee@pcisys.net writes:
One suggestion. Do not install an engine with less than 180 HP.
IMO, I would not even look at it so it has ZERO value to me. Applies
to RV-6, -7 as well
>>>
As nice as a big motor might be, being able to run mogas in a low-comp engine
might go a long way to twisting a prospects arm! Checked Airnav ga$ lately?
150 hp O-320s still kick PLENTY of butt! 8-)
Mark - do not archive !
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 10/13/2005 5:45:57 PM Central Standard Time,
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com writes:
I agree with Ron. Now flying the 3rd RV, all with 180HP. IMHO that is the
ideal engine for theses birds.
>>>
Hey Doug- phhhhhtttt!!!!! Wanna race?
(yeah, you'll kick my butt but it'll still be fun for both of uses!)
Mark - do not archive 8-)
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
That is correct. As I said IMHO.
Doug P
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values. Do not archive |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Hey Doug- phhhhhtttt!!!!! Wanna race?
1 PM. Saturday, 15 Oct, 5T6
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Resale Values. Do not archive |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
The Easter Egg of the past would most likely be the fastest. I won't make
5T6. My plans got fouled. Maybe next year. Ya'll have fun.
Doug
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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