---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/18/05: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:07 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 (Dan Checkoway) 2. 03:01 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Thomas Lukasczyk) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: honda engine (Vern W.) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 (Don Kugler) 5. 05:58 AM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 (John Huft) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 (Larry Pardue) 8. 07:54 AM - oil pressure relief spring (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 9. 09:35 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 (Dan Checkoway) 10. 09:38 AM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 (Bob) 11. 09:39 AM - Re: oil pressure relief spring (Dan Checkoway) 12. 09:41 AM - Re: oil pressure relief spring (Brian Denk) 13. 10:16 AM - Re: oil pressure relief spring (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 14. 10:20 AM - Re: camera in the tail (linn walters) 15. 10:45 AM - Re: LOE5 (HCRV6@comcast.net) 16. 12:19 PM - Re: oil pressure relief spring (Dan Checkoway) 17. 02:42 PM - FAA renewal of Medical (bertrv6@highstream.net) 18. 03:00 PM - Flying E-MAG/P-MAG (David Schaefer) 19. 03:01 PM - Re: FAA renewal of Medical (Bruce Gray) 20. 03:17 PM - Match-drill/dimple thru the blue film? (Jim L. Cox) 21. 03:20 PM - Re: FAA renewal of Medical (Bruce Gray) 22. 03:37 PM - Re: FAA renewal of Medical (John Danielson) 23. 03:49 PM - Re: Match-drill/dimple thru the blue film? (Richard Tasker) 24. 03:52 PM - Re: FAA renewal of Medical (Olen Goodwin) 25. 03:55 PM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 (Mike Robertson) 26. 04:14 PM - Re: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers () 27. 04:37 PM - Re: camera in the tail (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 28. 04:37 PM - Re: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 29. 05:09 PM - Re: FAA renewal of Medical (Frank Stringham) 30. 05:24 PM - Re: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 (Kevin Horton) 31. 07:02 PM - Re:FAA renewal of Medical (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 32. 07:53 PM - RV-8 Empenage kit for sale (David Stafford) 33. 08:27 PM - Re: oil pressure relief spring (Charlie Kuss) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:35 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" On my RV-7 with flop tubes in both tanks, I ran a couple of different tests... Test 1: On the GROUND, I pumped both tanks dry using the boost pump... LEFT: 175ml (0.05 gal) unusable RIGHT: 160ml (0.04 gal) unusable http://rvproject.com/images/2004/20040307_unusable_fuel_right.jpg Test 2: Later, in FLIGHT, I ran both tanks dry in flight (on separate occasions, thank you). I found there was less than 0.3 gallons unusable in each tank. Note: when doing this test, as soon as fuel pressure dumped and the engine sputtered, I switched tanks. I may have been able to burn slightly more fuel if I had allowed the engine to sputter longer. But for all intents and purposes, there were 0.3 gallons left in the tank at the point where any sane pilot would switch tanks. My tanks are dead nuts on 42.0 gallons total capacity. So in flight, I have 41.4 gallons usable and 0.6 gallons unusable. From what I've heard, you can potentially have more usable fuel with standard pickups instead of flop tubes. YMMV. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com" > > Guys, > Can anybody tell me what their measured usable fuel quantity is in an > RV-7/8 series? I know Vans numbers say 42 gal total and I imagine most of > that is usable. I want to placard my panel now if there's a reasonable > consensus and will risk having to change it later if my own measurements > are different. I can't imagine it varies much on these prepunched > kits.... > Thanks, > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D getting close....(definition of "close" is that I may be flying > "soon", which is anytime between a couple months from now and a couple > years from now...depending on what else life conspires to bring my way in > an effort to prolong 1st flight indefinitely...) > > > Guys, > > > Can anybody tell me what their measured usable fuel quantity is in an > RV-7/8 series? I know Vans numbers say 42 gal total and I imagine most of > that is usable. I want to placard my panel now if there's a reasonable > consensus and will risk having to change it later if my own measurements > are different. I can't imagine it varies much on these prepunched kits.... > > > Thanks, > > > --Mark Navratil > > > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > > > RV-8A N2D getting close....(definition of "close" is that I may be flying > "soon", which is anytime between a couple months from now and a couple > years from now...depending on what else life conspires to bring my way in > an effort to prolong 1st flight indefinitely...) > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:53 AM PST US From: "Thomas Lukasczyk" Subject: RE: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" Hi Lucky What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to the wing and you can take it off in a minute. http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg A Testvideo ist here: http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm Happy Landings Thomas, RV-4 -- Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:12 AM PST US From: "Vern W." Subject: Re: RV-List: honda engine --> RV-List message posted by: "Vern W." Wasn't the Honda aircraft engine sitting on a shelf over there in a corner next to the TCM-GAP engine? You know, where they keep the invisible aircraft engines that people make once in a while and talk about excitedly before putting them on that shelf in the corner ... :-) Vern On 10/17/05, Bob C. wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " > > Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any sign of the Honda piston engine > this > year? And I looked for it! > Good Luck, > Bob Christensen > RV-8 Builder - SE Iowa > > On 10/17/05, Evan and Megan Johnson wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" < > > evmeg@snowcrest.net> > > > > Did any of you who managed to go to OSH this year pump the > > Honda/Continental people for information? Honda is notorious for keeping > > product information close to the vest prior to release. A quick google > > search only produced the press release from 2 years ago with no real > numbers > > and a small picture of the mocked up motor. I have spoken to 2 local > pilots > > who are claiming that the engine is supposed to be in the 300 HP range > at > > half the price of the equivalent Lycoming. The Honda people at OSH when > > pressed for pricing supposedly responded only that they were going to > "own" > > the market. All of this is second or third hand airport chatter and > worth > > only what you are paying for it, soooooo......How bout some more solid > > information? Anybody?.......Anybody? > > > > Evan Johnson > > www.evansaviationproducts.com < > http://www.evansaviationproducts.com> > > (530)247-0375 > > (530)351-1776 cell > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:59 AM PST US From: "Don Kugler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Kugler" Mark, I recenlty did this exercise to re-verify the usealbe fuel in my -8. You're right. It's almost all useable. So much so, if you're concerned about it, you're cutting it way too close!. First of all my tanks hold what Van's says they do. 21 gallons side a +/- few ounces when filled to the brim. Unusable fuel is: Left tank - 6oz, right tank 2oz. My left tank has a flop tube. Your actual results may vary depending on the installation of the pickup tubes. Just make sure they go all the way to the bottom inside corner of the tank.. Verifed all this by leveling the aircraft in flight attitude and then pumpming each tank dry with the electric pump. Start with just a few gallons in each side so it doesn't take forever. I disconnected the fuel line at the fuel servo and let go into a bucket. Then I drained and measured what was left out of each tank fuel drain into a cup. Followed by filling each tank to re-verify total capacity. -Don Don Kugler don@earthlink.net RV8 - NJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:30 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Outstanding videos Thomas!! I used Google to translate the descriptions: http://tinyurl.com/c9nlx - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Lukasczyk [mailto:Lukasczyk@gmx.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:01 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: camera in the tail > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" > > Hi Lucky > > What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a > wing-mount for my Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and > ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to the wing and you can take > it off in a minute. > > http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg > > A Testvideo ist here: > > http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm > > Happy Landings > > Thomas, RV-4 > > > -- > Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! > Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:14 AM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft Lately, (actually, after the AirVenture Cup race) I have been wondering if it would be the same at 100 mph as at 200. When I tested mine, at cruise speed, I got the same results as Dan and Don, but I wonder about the attitude change in the pattern. Haven't tested it yet. John Don Kugler wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Kugler" > >Mark, > >I recenlty did this exercise to re-verify the usealbe fuel in my -8. >You're right. It's almost all useable. So much so, if you're concerned >about it, you're cutting it way too close!. > >First of all my tanks hold what Van's says they do. 21 gallons side a >+/- few ounces when filled to the brim. Unusable fuel is: Left tank - >6oz, right tank 2oz. My left tank has a flop tube. Your actual results >may vary depending on the installation of the pickup tubes. Just make >sure they go all the way to the bottom inside corner of the tank.. > >Verifed all this by leveling the aircraft in flight attitude and then >pumpming each tank dry with the electric pump. Start with just a few >gallons in each side so it doesn't take forever. I disconnected the >fuel line at the fuel servo and let go into a bucket. Then I drained >and measured what was left out of each tank fuel drain into a cup. >Followed by filling each tank to re-verify total capacity. > > -Don > >Don Kugler >don@earthlink.net >RV8 - NJ > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 From: Larry Pardue --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue In all the talk about unusable fuel, people seem to be measuring unusable fuel as what will not be used in level flight. Unless my memory is failing me unusable fuel would be what is unusable in normal flight attitudes. More is likely to be unusable in nose up or nose down attitudes. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://n5lp.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:45 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Gents, Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop and I get 66psi in cruise. Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean higher pressure provided the system is capable? Thanks Mike Do not archive. IO540-C4B5 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:06 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Lately, (actually, after the AirVenture Cup race) I have been wondering > if it would be the same at 100 mph as at 200. When I tested mine, at > cruise speed, I got the same results as Dan and Don, but I wonder about > the attitude change in the pattern. Haven't tested it yet. John, When I did the run-the-tank-dry testing, as the quantity indication went below 0.5 gallon in the selected tank, I tried making several attitude changes to see if it would unport the flop tube. Steep climb attitude, descent, 45-degree banks, etc. I may not have been aggressive enough, but I couldn't get any particular attitude change to choke the fuel supply...that may be partly due to having flop tubes. YMdefinitelyMV. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:26 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: Bob >When I tested mine, at >cruise speed, I got the same results as Dan and Don, but I wonder about >the attitude change in the pattern. Haven't tested it yet. I have tested in the pattern and I find that a prolonged steep decent with less than five gallons will cause fuel starvation on the tank without the flop tube. The tank with the flop tube is not as bad. Also it gets worse if you do a forward slip. While in the traffic pattern, I always select the high wing tank (right tank in left hand traffic), when I am below a half tank of fuel. Or the high wing tank in a forward slip. Note: I have been able to get fuel starvation with up to 8 gallons in a tank. Bob RV6 NightFighter ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:49 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Kahuna, I went through this exact scenario last year: http://www.rvproject.com/20041101.html There's a table on that page which shows the relative pressure of the various Lycoming springs. This is from my IO-360 literature, so it may be slightly different for your -540, but I suspect it's identical. I got my spring from Performance Aero Engines. Any Lycoming distributor should sell these springs. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? > > After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I > don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop and > I get 66psi in cruise. > > Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? > > > Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean higher > pressure provided the system is capable? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > Do not archive. > > IO540-C4B5 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:23 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" If this is the kind with a ball and spring in a housing on top of the case toward the rear, you can bias the spring tension by adding washers under it. I think this will..uh...raise pressure. Been a few years since I went through this but it took a few tries to get the right number of washers in there to get somewhere in the high 70's range for cruise flight. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 >> >Gents, > >Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? > >After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I >don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop and >I get 66psi in cruise. > >Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? > > >Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean higher >pressure provided the system is capable? > > >Thanks > >Mike > >Do not archive. > >IO540-C4B5 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Great write up. What was the an900 dash number? Do you recall? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Kahuna, I went through this exact scenario last year: http://www.rvproject.com/20041101.html There's a table on that page which shows the relative pressure of the various Lycoming springs. This is from my IO-360 literature, so it may be slightly different for your -540, but I suspect it's identical. I got my spring from Performance Aero Engines. Any Lycoming distributor should sell these springs. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? > > After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I > don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop and > I get 66psi in cruise. > > Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? > > > Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean higher > pressure provided the system is capable? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > Do not archive. > > IO540-C4B5 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:21 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters I didn't pick up on the translation ..... and got a kick out of the use of 'role' instead of 'roll'. Great movies ..... and if you skipped them .... go back and take a look. Wonder what camera he used. Linn do not archive Larry Bowen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >Outstanding videos Thomas!! > >I used Google to translate the descriptions: >http://tinyurl.com/c9nlx > >- >Larry Bowen >Larry@BowenAero.com >http://BowenAero.com > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Thomas Lukasczyk [mailto:Lukasczyk@gmx.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:01 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: camera in the tail >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" >> >>Hi Lucky >> >>What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a >>wing-mount for my Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and >>ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to the wing and you can take >>it off in a minute. >> >>http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg >> >>A Testvideo ist here: >> >>http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm >> >>Happy Landings >> >>Thomas, RV-4 >> >> >>-- >>Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! >>Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:32 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: LOE5 --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net Thanks Larry, makes me really appreciate my new high speed internet service. Do not archive -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue > > Howdy, > > For anyone curious about LOE5, which did have some rain, I have some > pictures and comments at http://n5lp.net/LOE5.htm > > This is probably impractical for those with dial-up connections. I've got > the digital camera now, so take too many pictures. > > Do not archive > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > http://n5lp.net > > > > > > Thanks Larry, makes me really appreciate my new high speed internet service. Do not archive -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue Howdy, For anyone curious about LOE5, which did have some rain, I have some pictures and comments at http://n5lp.net/LOE5.htm This is probably impractical for those with dial-up connections. I've got the digital camera now, so take too many pictures. Do not archive Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://n5lp.net Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:32 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" The valve body on mine is 1 1/4" in diameter, so I used AN900-20. Spruce says that's also MS35769-31. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/an900.php )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RE: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > Great write up. > What was the an900 dash number? > Do you recall? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Kahuna, > > I went through this exact scenario last year: > http://www.rvproject.com/20041101.html > > There's a table on that page which shows the relative pressure of the > various Lycoming springs. This is from my IO-360 literature, so it may > be > slightly different for your -540, but I suspect it's identical. > > I got my spring from Performance Aero Engines. Any Lycoming distributor > > should sell these springs. > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > To: > Subject: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > > > > Gents, > > > > Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? > > > > After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I > > don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop > and > > I get 66psi in cruise. > > > > Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? > > > > > > Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean > higher > > pressure provided the system is capable? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > Do not archive. > > > > IO540-C4B5 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:14 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: For the past four months now, I have had the most horrible experience with the FAA.. I will not bore every-one that reads this, with all the details. Some high lites,, I have had to send all documents requested at least three times... also by fax... Keep receiving letters from different people, asking for documents, I have mailed to the other person who signed the letter... NOw after four months, they ask for a complete Stress test, including the Echo Cardiogram etc...My question is, does any one know, what the numbers are, for some one 67? that is, what would be the passing grades on these test. I have tried to get some info, from the FAA they said they cannot give any info, that will be based on the results... These test are going to cost me hundreds of dollars, as medicare will not pay unless, is requesteds by my Physician no? And after all this, the FAA can said, medical denied...I DOP NOT TAKE ANY MEDICINES, EXCEPT LIPITOR 10 MG. I did get some help from AOPA, they suggested, that when mailing any document to send them, certified mail, return receipt. They gave me the address to do this, since the envelopes FAA send have the box address... I did that the last time, 2 weeks after I have not received the confirmation. Also I get letters from them, 2 weeks after the date on the letter, and of course, it says, if you do not send requested info. within 30 days, the request for madical will cancell...well I do not have 30 days, I haved 2 weeks It is unbelievable..... Appreciate any suggestions or Info. Bert rv6a DO nOT aRCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:32 PM PST US From: "David Schaefer" Subject: RV-List: Flying E-MAG/P-MAG --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" Who is flying an E-MAG or P-MAG setup? Please drop me a line off-line. I'd like to speak with you. Regards, David Schaefer N142DS DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:10 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" What was the reason the Flight Surgeon gave you for refusing to issue you a medical certificate? Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: For the past four months now, I have had the most horrible experience with the FAA.. I will not bore every-one that reads this, with all the details. Some high lites,, I have had to send all documents requested at least three times... also by fax... Keep receiving letters from different people, asking for documents, I have mailed to the other person who signed the letter... NOw after four months, they ask for a complete Stress test, including the Echo Cardiogram etc...My question is, does any one know, what the numbers are, for some one 67? that is, what would be the passing grades on these test. I have tried to get some info, from the FAA they said they cannot give any info, that will be based on the results... These test are going to cost me hundreds of dollars, as medicare will not pay unless, is requesteds by my Physician no? And after all this, the FAA can said, medical denied...I DOP NOT TAKE ANY MEDICINES, EXCEPT LIPITOR 10 MG. I did get some help from AOPA, they suggested, that when mailing any document to send them, certified mail, return receipt. They gave me the address to do this, since the envelopes FAA send have the box address... I did that the last time, 2 weeks after I have not received the confirmation. Also I get letters from them, 2 weeks after the date on the letter, and of course, it says, if you do not send requested info. within 30 days, the request for madical will cancell...well I do not have 30 days, I haved 2 weeks It is unbelievable..... Appreciate any suggestions or Info. Bert rv6a DO nOT aRCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:17 PM PST US From: "Jim L. Cox" Subject: RV-List: Match-drill/dimple thru the blue film? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim L. Cox" I'm dimpling my first skin (VS), and I'm getting small scratches from the male die as I move the piece from hole to hole. Additionally, the dies are leaving a ring around the hole the diameter of the die. Since I'm planning on a bare metal airplane, I'm very concerned about the surface finish. I've experimented with drilling and dimpling thru the blue vinyl film on a scrap piece. This solved the scratching problem, and my untrained eye can see no difference in the dimple. Does anyone know of any cons to this method? Thanks for any help! Jim L. Cox RV-8A emp ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:15 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" My guess is that because of your age and the fact that you take Lipitor for high lipid levels, the FAA is looking for underlying heart disease. Look at the AOPA website and you'll see that for heart trouble you have to take a stress test and pass the Bruce level 3 (9 minutes) without showing signs of ischemia. What are your lipid level numbers? Another reason to have your physician take you off all meds 90 days before your medical. Now you've got some smart-ass on Oklahoma City sniffing around trying to prove you're to old to fly. Damn Feds! Bruce www.glasair.org ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:46 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" Try giving the EAA a call. They helped me. John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: For the past four months now, I have had the most horrible experience with the FAA.. I will not bore every-one that reads this, with all the details. Some high lites,, I have had to send all documents requested at least three times... also by fax... Keep receiving letters from different people, asking for documents, I have mailed to the other person who signed the letter... NOw after four months, they ask for a complete Stress test, including the Echo Cardiogram etc...My question is, does any one know, what the numbers are, for some one 67? that is, what would be the passing grades on these test. I have tried to get some info, from the FAA they said they cannot give any info, that will be based on the results... These test are going to cost me hundreds of dollars, as medicare will not pay unless, is requesteds by my Physician no? And after all this, the FAA can said, medical denied...I DOP NOT TAKE ANY MEDICINES, EXCEPT LIPITOR 10 MG. I did get some help from AOPA, they suggested, that when mailing any document to send them, certified mail, return receipt. They gave me the address to do this, since the envelopes FAA send have the box address... I did that the last time, 2 weeks after I have not received the confirmation. Also I get letters from them, 2 weeks after the date on the letter, and of course, it says, if you do not send requested info. within 30 days, the request for madical will cancell...well I do not have 30 days, I haved 2 weeks It is unbelievable..... Appreciate any suggestions or Info. Bert rv6a DO nOT aRCHIVE ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:37 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Match-drill/dimple thru the blue film? --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker I did this on some of my 9A skins. The only real con is that you are likely to get bits of aluminum from drilling caught in the blue film which will then be dimpled into the skin - possibly giving you worse results than the dimple without the film. Also, you can get bits of plastic and aluminum caught in the dimple dies. Unless you have the skin cocked when you dimple, what you see is easily polished out - which I assume you will do at least a little of if you are planning a non-painted skin. It is essentially no depth, but just a surface finish issue. my $0.02 Dick Tasker do not archive Jim L. Cox wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim L. Cox" > >I'm dimpling my first skin (VS), and I'm getting small scratches from the male die as I move the piece from hole to hole. Additionally, the dies are leaving a ring around the hole the diameter of the die. Since I'm planning on a bare metal airplane, I'm very concerned about the surface finish. > >I've experimented with drilling and dimpling thru the blue vinyl film on a scrap piece. This solved the scratching problem, and my untrained eye can see no difference in the dimple. > >Does anyone know of any cons to this method? Thanks for any help! > >Jim L. Cox >RV-8A emp > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:32 PM PST US From: "Olen Goodwin" Subject: Re: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" Bert, have you talked to your doctor (medical examiner)? He should be able to explain and if he's worth going to, help you to know exactly what the feds want. Do not archive Olen Goodwin ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > Hi: > > > For the past four months now, I have had the most horrible experience > with the FAA.. I will not bore every-one that reads this, with all the details. > Some high lites,, I have had to send all documents requested > at least three times... also by fax... > > Keep receiving letters from different people, asking for documents, I have > mailed to the other person who signed the letter... > > NOw after four months, they ask for a complete Stress test, including > the Echo Cardiogram etc...My question is, does any one know, what the numbers > are, for some one 67? that is, what would be the passing grades on these test. > > I have tried to get some info, from the FAA they said they cannot give any > info, that will be based on the results... > > These test are going to cost me hundreds of dollars, as medicare will not pay > unless, is requesteds by my Physician no? > > And after all this, the FAA can said, medical denied...I DOP NOT TAKE > ANY MEDICINES, EXCEPT LIPITOR 10 MG. > > I did get some help from AOPA, they suggested, that when mailing any document > to send them, certified mail, return receipt. They gave me the address > to do this, since the envelopes FAA send have the box address... > > I did that the last time, 2 weeks after I have not received the confirmation. > > Also I get letters from them, 2 weeks after the date on the letter, and of > course, it says, if you do not send requested info. within 30 days, the > request for madical will cancell...well I do not have 30 days, I haved 2 weeks > It is unbelievable..... > > > Appreciate any suggestions or Info. > > > Bert > > rv6a > > DO nOT aRCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:50 PM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" Mark, On my RV-8A in Hawaii with standard pickup tubes we had a grand total of 1 pint unusable which works out to a total of 41.75 gallons total usable fuel. For safety sake we declared .5 gallons unusable on each side although the point is mute now. (I'm sure the fish like it though) Mike Robertson >From: "czechsix@juno.com" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:46:54 GMT > >--> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com" > >Guys, >Can anybody tell me what their measured usable fuel quantity is in an >RV-7/8 series? I know Vans numbers say 42 gal total and I imagine most of >that is usable. I want to placard my panel now if there's a reasonable >consensus and will risk having to change it later if my own measurements >are different. I can't imagine it varies much on these prepunched kits.... >Thanks, >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D getting close....(definition of "close" is that I may be flying >"soon", which is anytime between a couple months from now and a couple >years from now...depending on what else life conspires to bring my way in >an effort to prolong 1st flight indefinitely...) > > >Guys, > > >Can anybody tell me what their measured usable fuel quantity is in an >RV-7/8 series? I know Vans numbers say 42 gal total and I imagine most of >that is usable. I want to placard my panel now if there's a reasonable >consensus and will risk having to change it later if my own measurements >are different. I can't imagine it varies much on these prepunched kits.... > > >Thanks, > > >--Mark Navratil > > >Cedar Rapids, Iowa > > >RV-8A N2D getting close....(definition of "close" is that I may be flying >"soon", which is anytime between a couple months from now and a couple >years from now...depending on what else life conspires to bring my way in >an effort to prolong 1st flight indefinitely...) > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:56 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers --> RV-List message posted by: You can get them from Vans too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Try emailing the guy who makes 'em at michael@kalama.com. > > Very early on, my pant leg caught on my PTT switch and tore the dust cover > off. I just left it like that. I actually like the more affirmative feel > of the switch better without the dust cover. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" >> >> List, I bought a set of teak stick grips and need to find a source for > the rubber dust covers that go over the switch. Called Aircraft Spruce to > try and buy a couple spares but no luck. >> Anyone know the manufacture? Any leads on a source would be > greatly appreciated. >> > Tom in Ohio >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RE: RV-List: camera in the tail --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot. Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV" http://viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting. lucky -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" > > Hi Lucky > > What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my > Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to > the wing and you can take it off in a minute. > > http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg > > A Testvideo ist here: > > http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm > > Happy Landings > > Thomas, RV-4 > > > -- > Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! > Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner > > > > > > I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot. Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV" http://viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting. lucky -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" Hi Lucky What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to the wing and you can take it off in a minute. http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg A Testvideo ist here: http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm Happy Landings Thomas, RV-4 -- Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner he RV-List Email Forum - ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 PM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Thanks Dan!!! Mike got back to me right away and shipped 4 of them at $3.75 ea. FAA Inspection was Friday and I am good to go. Transition training and another RV6-A takes the air. Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > Try emailing the guy who makes 'em at michael@kalama.com. > > Very early on, my pant leg caught on my PTT switch and tore the dust cover > off. I just left it like that. I actually like the more affirmative feel > of the switch better without the dust cover. > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Teak Stick Grip switch dust covers > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" >> >> List, I bought a set of teak stick grips and need to find a source for > the rubber dust covers that go over the switch. Called Aircraft Spruce to > try and buy a couple spares but no luck. >> Anyone know the manufacture? Any leads on a source would be > greatly appreciated. >> > Tom in Ohio >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:16 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" To all that care As my dear old dad used to say, It's time for a revolution and we will take no prisoners. The FAA like most gov. agencies is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of control. The 3RD class med should be the same as the LSA .....Drivers Lic and you are good to go. If the whole general aviation community rose up in arms I know we could correct this situation. When I get my 7A done I am going to take up the cause. I know, fight the GOV. GOOD LUCK you say. If we don't do something we will all be in the same boat as Bert Frank @ SGU and SLC >From: "Bruce Gray" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: FAA renewal of Medical >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:21:44 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >My guess is that because of your age and the fact that you take Lipitor for >high lipid levels, the FAA is looking for underlying heart disease. > >Look at the AOPA website and you'll see that for heart trouble you have to >take a stress test and pass the Bruce level 3 (9 minutes) without showing >signs of ischemia. > >What are your lipid level numbers? > >Another reason to have your physician take you off all meds 90 days before >your medical. Now you've got some smart-ass on Oklahoma City sniffing >around >trying to prove you're to old to fly. Damn Feds! > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:22 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Usable fuel RV-7/8 version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 18 Oct 2005, at 13:35, Bob wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > > >> When I tested mine, at >> cruise speed, I got the same results as Dan and Don, but I wonder >> about >> the attitude change in the pattern. Haven't tested it yet. >> > > I have tested in the pattern and I find that a prolonged steep > decent with > less than five gallons will cause fuel starvation on the tank > without the > flop tube. The tank with the flop tube is not as bad. Also it > gets worse > if you do a forward slip. > > While in the traffic pattern, I always select the high wing tank > (right > tank in left hand traffic), when I am below a half tank of fuel. > Or the > high wing tank in a forward slip. > > Note: I have been able to get fuel starvation with up to 8 gallons > in a tank. > Very interesting. In the FAR 23, type certificated world, this would lead to a declared unusable fuel of 8 gallons per tank. I'm assuming that there is nothing strange about your fuel pickups, so other RVs may have the same "issue". The critical parameter isn't pitch attitude - it is longitudinal acceleration. In this case it is deceleration, or negative acceleration that pushes the fuel toward the leading edge. Picture a tricycle-geared RV doing hard braking on the ground - the pitch attitude isn't very nose down, but the deceleration will push the fuel towards the leading edge. The worst case in flight will be with full flap, idle power and the max allowable speed for full flap. It would be very wise for every RVer to do such a test with his aircraft. This is the sort of thing you want to discover when you are ready for it (i.e. within easy gliding distance of a long runway), rather than have it catch you by surprise at a bad moment. If you know your RV is potentially at risk from fuel starvation in some conditions, you could adjust your approach and landing procedures to avoid high longitudinal decelation when your fuel is less than X gallons. You would do this by avoiding full flap and powers less YYYY rpm until you were within easy gliding distance of the runway. The value of YYYY would be determined via flight test, and would be specific to the aircraft, as it is prop and fuel tank dependent. I'm adding this to my list of tests to perform after I get flying. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:32 PM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:FAA renewal of Medical --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Frank is absolutely right !! I had a little problem , walked right through the stress test and was denied. DAMN !! I sent in my paperwork 3 weeks before the new LSA rule was approved,and they had sneaked in that "Medical Denied" clause. Now I have an RV-4 sitting in the hangar with 61 hours on it . I sent letters from my cardiologist and internal medicine specialist - both said I was not likely to be incapicated any more than anyone else. Try an email to a doctor who is good with such cases,in Tulsa,OK. _GBaldwindo@cs.com_ (mailto:GBaldwindo@cs.com) Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:47 PM PST US From: "David Stafford" Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Empenage kit for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "David Stafford" For a friend not on the list, RV-8 empenage kit, w/electric trim option. Box never opened, $1500 Steve Brown Huntsville, AL Cell 256-683-8240 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:07 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: oil pressure relief spring --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Geez Mike, If you had looked in that Parts Catalog (PC-615) I sent you, you would know that their are 4 possible part numbers to choose from. They are: 68668 (nominal #) 61084 (optional) 77467 (optional) LW-11713 (optional) There is an asterisk besides that part number. (See Figure 3 on page 1-5) It states to use a spring which will allow at least 3 threads of the adjusting screw to protrude to allow future adjustment. I suggest you ask this question of Mahlon Russell over on the Lycoming List. I'm sure he knows or could find out which of the 4 (I suspect it's the LW-11713) is the stiffest spring. Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > >Gents, > >Where does one find an oil pressure relief spring for Lycoming? > >After reading the archives it appears there are 3 different ones. I >don't know which one I have, but I have cranked the nut to its stop and >I get 66psi in cruise. > >Although w/I Lycoming spec (55min), higher is better right? > > >Where do I get one of these springs and is a stronger spring mean higher >pressure provided the system is capable? > > >Thanks > >Mike > >Do not archive. > >IO540-C4B5 > >