---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/21/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: Any builders in Utah (SLC or OGD) or Surrounding area (LARRY ADAMSON) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html (Chuck Jensen) 3. 06:18 AM - Re: Dynon + panel tilt? (John Furey) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: Any builders in Utah (SLC or OGD) or Surrounding area (Mike Parker) 5. 07:05 AM - RV-8 CG question (Steve Struyk) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: RV-8 CG question (James Freeman) 7. 08:03 AM - Re: RV-8 CG question (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 8. 08:16 AM - Re: RV-8 CG question (John Huft) 9. 08:23 AM - Re: RV-8 CG question (Charlie Kuss) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) (Tim Bryan) 11. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: I wonder ?????? (LarryRobertHelming) 12. 09:11 AM - Re: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) (Bruce Gray) 13. 09:33 AM - Re: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) (Tim Bryan) 14. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: I wonder ?????? (Chris W) 15. 10:11 AM - Re: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) (Bruce Gray) 16. 11:23 AM - Re: RV-8 CG question (Steve Struyk) 17. 11:37 AM - Re: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) (Greg Young) 18. 01:51 PM - 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter (Pat Hatch) 19. 02:56 PM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter (Ron Lee) 20. 05:13 PM - Link Trainer (Larry Mac Donald) 21. 05:51 PM - Re: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html (Ed Anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:09 AM PST US From: "LARRY ADAMSON" Subject: Re: RV-List: Any builders in Utah (SLC or OGD) or Surrounding area --> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: gerns25@netscape.net Subject: RV-List: Any builders in Utah (SLC or OGD) or Surrounding area There is a new RV builders group started in the SLC area. One meeting so far. The host has built a very nice looking as well as flying RV9A with a partner, and is now building one for himself. Contact "Bill" at w.letcher@att.net to get on the mailing list L.Adamson RV6A Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" "Ed Anderson wrote... Not saying by any means that there are not valid failures of tests, there certainly are - but it is equally clear that jobs, positions, etc are at stake and they are based not on the number of people that pass a test but on the number that fail or at least the number that require "extensive" study and scrutiny.. We are subject to Quality Assurance audits in our industry. Just like FAA testing, by the very nature of audits is they MUST find something. Somebody must fail or there would be no reason for existence. So, we were not averse to leaving a couple of obvious, easily noticed (and easily corrected!) minor discrepancies that they could pounce on. They went away happy, we were glad to be rid of them and the world continued to turn. The FAA medical system is a pox on all of us. Chuck Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:55 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon + panel tilt? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" No need to mount it different. Just push a couple buttons and it's set Thee manual will give you the details. John RV6A - Dynon ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:00 AM PST US From: Mike Parker Subject: Re: RV-List: Any builders in Utah (SLC or OGD) or Surrounding area --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Parker There are lots of RV fliers and builders in SLC- the EAA chapter meets every second Friday, 7:00 PM, at a new permanent location, at Airport #2. Great bunch of helpful guys- come to one of the meetings, you will be impressed.. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:28 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: RV-List: RV-8 CG question --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" List, I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my CG seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to 74.03 inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a 0-360, Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the horizontal stab and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly solo. Does this seem right for my configuration? Comments or suggestions please. Steve Struyk RV-8, N842S St. Charles, MO ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:05 AM PST US From: James Freeman Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 CG question --> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Steve Struyk wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > > List, > > I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my > CG seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to > 74.03 inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a > 0-360, > Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the > horizontal stab > and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a > VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly > solo. Does this seem right for my configuration? > > Comments or suggestions please. (snip) Steve, that does seem a little far forward, although the -8s tend towards forward C of G anyway. Dan Checkoway has a very useful registry of RV W&B here: http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ I might recalculate the numbers to be sure. How much weight is on your tailwheel? James Freeman RV-8 N9TN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-8 CG question From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Yep. w/ a c/s prop, you should have done a baggage bat install Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Struyk Subject: RV-List: RV-8 CG question --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" List, I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my CG seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to 74.03 inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a 0-360, Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the horizontal stab and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly solo. Does this seem right for my configuration? Comments or suggestions please. Steve Struyk RV-8, N842S St. Charles, MO ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:54 AM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 CG question version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft Steve, you are 2 1/2 inches forward of anyone else...I would be very suspicious of the data or calculations. check, check. John Steve Struyk wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > >List, > >I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my CG seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to 74.03 inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a 0-360, >Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the horizontal stab >and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly solo. Does this seem right for my configuration? > >Comments or suggestions please. > >Steve Struyk >RV-8, N842S >St. Charles, MO > > >. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:36 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 CG question --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Steve, Where did you mount your battery? Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > >List, > >I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my CG >seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to 74.03 >inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a 0-360, >Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the horizontal stab >and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a >VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly solo. >Does this seem right for my configuration? > >Comments or suggestions please. > >Steve Struyk >RV-8, N842S >St. Charles, MO > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:09 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Bruce, Keep in mind the medical community is evolving along with the medical records system. My surgeons write a report and my AME has instant access to it. They are not in the same office, clinic, or even town. Plus... If you fail to answer a question truthfully, or omit an important piece of information, you will have problems if there is an incident or even an insurance claim. Not advocating anything here, except it isn't as straight forward as it used to be. For me getting a medical based on careful quietness might be the same as the fly anyway situation. Either way you might as well forego the insurance. Maybe a better substitute is to get your wife to learn to fly or a good freind who goes with you most of the time anyway. Might even be cheaper. Just my .02 Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I just don't see why we put up with this garbage. I remember a local GIII pilot here who had a rare lung disease. He went in and took his 3rd class, but half way through the exam he started to get light headed and gave the flight surgeon some excuse to go to his car. He then hyperventilated on some pure O2 he had, went back inside and passed his physical. Sure he lied, but he died (in bed) 3 days after his physical, so I guess he doesn't care. Lets look at what the FAA doc is looking for at a 3rd class exam. Eyes (vision), Blood pressure, any surgeries?, sugar in the urine? Anything else, unless you have a big scar down the center of your chest, they aren't going to find. They only know what you tell them. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Don't give up. You only need a licensed private pilot ASEL to ride with you until you get the medical. Try www.aviationmedicine.com for assistence with the FAA. They are ex-FAA folks and medical experts that specialize in getting folks special issuances. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I hold a class A commercial drivers license and can drive my big diesel truck anywhere , but the Fatherless Aviation Administration denied my class 3 medical after I passed the stress test and sent letters from my cardiologist and internal medicine specialist stating that I was no more likely to be incapicated than anyone else in the general population. I don't have the faintest idea what they want !!!! I can't afford big time lawyers,etc. so I just bought a Honda Goldwing and guess I will sell our 61 hour RV-4. Or maybe just fly anyway ????????? Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:53 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I wonder ?????? --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" > So with all this said I will now go back to pounding rivets, working out > my > electrical needs, and trying to figure where to get the $$$$$$$$$$$ to > finish my project, and just hope my health holds long enough so I can > have > the thrill that many of you have experieced of flying the plane you built. > > By the way any good advice in regards to ex-bus or fuses or circuit > breakers. > Remember to do some good things also for your health. Eat at all times like your next medical depended on it. And put the rivet gun down for 30 minutes twice each day so you can get some cardiovascular exercise. Keep your plumbing in good shape and many medical problems can be put off far down the runway unless your genes have it seriously against you. In any case exercise will not hurt. I for instance cut off 20 lbs. and can now carry 3.3 lbs of extra fuel at not loss in airspeed. Indiana Larry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:43 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Yes the records system is evolving but so is the personal privacy issues. The FAA reciently cought 20-30 pilots in CA who lied about their medical status on their applications. The only reason they were caught is that they (the pilots) were also on SS disability, a government database. The FAA cannot, by law, scan the private medical databases. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Bruce, Keep in mind the medical community is evolving along with the medical records system. My surgeons write a report and my AME has instant access to it. They are not in the same office, clinic, or even town. Plus... If you fail to answer a question truthfully, or omit an important piece of information, you will have problems if there is an incident or even an insurance claim. Not advocating anything here, except it isn't as straight forward as it used to be. For me getting a medical based on careful quietness might be the same as the fly anyway situation. Either way you might as well forego the insurance. Maybe a better substitute is to get your wife to learn to fly or a good freind who goes with you most of the time anyway. Might even be cheaper. Just my .02 Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I just don't see why we put up with this garbage. I remember a local GIII pilot here who had a rare lung disease. He went in and took his 3rd class, but half way through the exam he started to get light headed and gave the flight surgeon some excuse to go to his car. He then hyperventilated on some pure O2 he had, went back inside and passed his physical. Sure he lied, but he died (in bed) 3 days after his physical, so I guess he doesn't care. Lets look at what the FAA doc is looking for at a 3rd class exam. Eyes (vision), Blood pressure, any surgeries?, sugar in the urine? Anything else, unless you have a big scar down the center of your chest, they aren't going to find. They only know what you tell them. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Don't give up. You only need a licensed private pilot ASEL to ride with you until you get the medical. Try www.aviationmedicine.com for assistence with the FAA. They are ex-FAA folks and medical experts that specialize in getting folks special issuances. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I hold a class A commercial drivers license and can drive my big diesel truck anywhere , but the Fatherless Aviation Administration denied my class 3 medical after I passed the stress test and sent letters from my cardiologist and internal medicine specialist stating that I was no more likely to be incapicated than anyone else in the general population. I don't have the faintest idea what they want !!!! I can't afford big time lawyers,etc. so I just bought a Honda Goldwing and guess I will sell our 61 hour RV-4. Or maybe just fly anyway ????????? Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:39 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Ouch, guess they are paying now. I see your point. At my last medical my AME already knew about my surgeries that year. I didn't have a chance to hide anything. Wouldn't have anyway. I may have also assumed the form we sign gave the FAA the right to access our records. But if not, then I guess if the AME doesn't know, you could hide something until there was a claim. Then it would no doubt come out. I agree the whole thing should just go away. I self ground if I don't feel confident to fly for any reason even beyond medical reasons. Isn't all really about our own responsibilities anyway? Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Yes the records system is evolving but so is the personal privacy issues. The FAA reciently cought 20-30 pilots in CA who lied about their medical status on their applications. The only reason they were caught is that they (the pilots) were also on SS disability, a government database. The FAA cannot, by law, scan the private medical databases. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Bruce, Keep in mind the medical community is evolving along with the medical records system. My surgeons write a report and my AME has instant access to it. They are not in the same office, clinic, or even town. Plus... If you fail to answer a question truthfully, or omit an important piece of information, you will have problems if there is an incident or even an insurance claim. Not advocating anything here, except it isn't as straight forward as it used to be. For me getting a medical based on careful quietness might be the same as the fly anyway situation. Either way you might as well forego the insurance. Maybe a better substitute is to get your wife to learn to fly or a good freind who goes with you most of the time anyway. Might even be cheaper. Just my .02 Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I just don't see why we put up with this garbage. I remember a local GIII pilot here who had a rare lung disease. He went in and took his 3rd class, but half way through the exam he started to get light headed and gave the flight surgeon some excuse to go to his car. He then hyperventilated on some pure O2 he had, went back inside and passed his physical. Sure he lied, but he died (in bed) 3 days after his physical, so I guess he doesn't care. Lets look at what the FAA doc is looking for at a 3rd class exam. Eyes (vision), Blood pressure, any surgeries?, sugar in the urine? Anything else, unless you have a big scar down the center of your chest, they aren't going to find. They only know what you tell them. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Don't give up. You only need a licensed private pilot ASEL to ride with you until you get the medical. Try www.aviationmedicine.com for assistence with the FAA. They are ex-FAA folks and medical experts that specialize in getting folks special issuances. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I hold a class A commercial drivers license and can drive my big diesel truck anywhere , but the Fatherless Aviation Administration denied my class 3 medical after I passed the stress test and sent letters from my cardiologist and internal medicine specialist stating that I was no more likely to be incapicated than anyone else in the general population. I don't have the faintest idea what they want !!!! I can't afford big time lawyers,etc. so I just bought a Honda Goldwing and guess I will sell our 61 hour RV-4. Or maybe just fly anyway ????????? Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:42 AM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I wonder ?????? --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Frank Stringham wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" > >I wonder if we as GA pilots said, "we will no longer support this unfair >system of medical testing". In other words go on strike and fly when and >where we want without carrying the now all important medical. From grass >roots support, political activism, research as to how small the medical >problem is in flying incidences, and just plain not bowing to an invasion of >our freedom, we could change this to say the least poor system of >governance. > I would be willing to bet that the medical condition that contributes most to accidents is both self inflicted and self healing, fatigue. If you really want to make a bold statement, get a few hundred pilots together and do a formation flight through the center of the DC ADIZ! Fly very high as to appear and sound less threatening, and be sure and publicize it in some way before hand so the military fighter pilots know it is just a bunch of fed up GA pilots and not an attack. Less chance of getting shot down then. -- Chris W Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want One stop wish list for any gift, from anywhere, for any occasion! http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:59 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Perhaps it would come out if there were an accident, perhaps not. WRT insurance, I don't carry hull insurance. I look at it this way, if I bend my airplane and live, I'll have enough big pieces left to rebuild. If I'm killed, I won't really care. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Ouch, guess they are paying now. I see your point. At my last medical my AME already knew about my surgeries that year. I didn't have a chance to hide anything. Wouldn't have anyway. I may have also assumed the form we sign gave the FAA the right to access our records. But if not, then I guess if the AME doesn't know, you could hide something until there was a claim. Then it would no doubt come out. I agree the whole thing should just go away. I self ground if I don't feel confident to fly for any reason even beyond medical reasons. Isn't all really about our own responsibilities anyway? Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Yes the records system is evolving but so is the personal privacy issues. The FAA reciently cought 20-30 pilots in CA who lied about their medical status on their applications. The only reason they were caught is that they (the pilots) were also on SS disability, a government database. The FAA cannot, by law, scan the private medical databases. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Bruce, Keep in mind the medical community is evolving along with the medical records system. My surgeons write a report and my AME has instant access to it. They are not in the same office, clinic, or even town. Plus... If you fail to answer a question truthfully, or omit an important piece of information, you will have problems if there is an incident or even an insurance claim. Not advocating anything here, except it isn't as straight forward as it used to be. For me getting a medical based on careful quietness might be the same as the fly anyway situation. Either way you might as well forego the insurance. Maybe a better substitute is to get your wife to learn to fly or a good freind who goes with you most of the time anyway. Might even be cheaper. Just my .02 Tim -------Original Message------- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I just don't see why we put up with this garbage. I remember a local GIII pilot here who had a rare lung disease. He went in and took his 3rd class, but half way through the exam he started to get light headed and gave the flight surgeon some excuse to go to his car. He then hyperventilated on some pure O2 he had, went back inside and passed his physical. Sure he lied, but he died (in bed) 3 days after his physical, so I guess he doesn't care. Lets look at what the FAA doc is looking for at a 3rd class exam. Eyes (vision), Blood pressure, any surgeries?, sugar in the urine? Anything else, unless you have a big scar down the center of your chest, they aren't going to find. They only know what you tell them. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Don't give up. You only need a licensed private pilot ASEL to ride with you until you get the medical. Try www.aviationmedicine.com for assistence with the FAA. They are ex-FAA folks and medical experts that specialize in getting folks special issuances. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I hold a class A commercial drivers license and can drive my big diesel truck anywhere , but the Fatherless Aviation Administration denied my class 3 medical after I passed the stress test and sent letters from my cardiologist and internal medicine specialist stating that I was no more likely to be incapicated than anyone else in the general population. I don't have the faintest idea what they want !!!! I can't afford big time lawyers,etc. so I just bought a Honda Goldwing and guess I will sell our 61 hour RV-4. Or maybe just fly anyway ????????? Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:08 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 CG question --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" Boy do I feel dumb. I went to the hangar and re-checked all my measurements and found the problem. My new (and correct) empty CG is 76.08 inches. Still a bit forward but much closer to others with the same set-up. Thanks to all who replied. Steve Struyk RV-8, N842S St. Charles, MO Really, really close now! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: RV-List: RV-8 CG question > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > > List, > > I weighed my plane yesterday and if my calculations are correct my CG > seems a bit forward. The weight was 1077 lbs. and the CG came to 74.03 > inches. (datum is 70" forward of wing leading edge) It's a 0-360, > Hartzell CS, Odyssey battery on the firewall, ELT under the horizontal > stab > and a very full IFR panel with standard "steam gauges" except for a > VM-1000. If my numbers are correct, I'll need rear ballast to fly solo. > Does this seem right for my configuration? > > Comments or suggestions please. > > Steve Struyk > RV-8, N842S > St. Charles, MO > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Medical was (http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html) From: "Greg Young" --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" That's certainly a worthwhile option to consider. Just keep in mind that RV's are pretty much a styrofoam cup in anything but the most benign accident, i.e. not reuseable when crumpled. Plus it's nice to be able to afford to buy something to fly while rebuilding. Greg Young >>Perhaps it would come out if there were an accident, perhaps not. WRT >>insurance, I don't carry hull insurance. I look at it this way, if I bend my >>airplane and live, I'll have enough big pieces left to rebuild. If I'm .>>killed, I won't really care. >> >>Bruce >>www.glasair.org ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:00 PM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RV-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Question for the list: has anyone been able to use the 90 degree oil filter adapters on and RV-6 engine mount? I am ordering a new engine from Bart and he was not sure whether or not this neat little mod would interfere with the -6 mount or not. So before I order it, I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has successfully installed one, especially if you have some pictures. Thanks. Pat Hatch RV-6 RV-7 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:07 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Adapter --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >Question for the list: has anyone been able to use the 90 degree oil filter >adapters on and RV-6 engine mount? I had one installed but it required an additional spacer for my mount. May or may not for you. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:22 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Link Trainer From: Larry Mac Donald --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald Does anyone on the list know of anyone who has a Gat 1,Link trainer or knowledge of where I can get a plotter, quality instruments or any kind of paper work on this model ? Larry Mac Donald Rochester N.Y. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:21 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Subject: RE: RV-List: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/rv-list/0089.html > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" > > > "Ed Anderson wrote... > > Not saying by any means that there are not valid failures of tests, > there > certainly are - but it is equally clear that jobs, positions, etc are at > > stake and they are based not on the number of people that pass a test > but on > the number that fail or at least the number that require "extensive" > study > and scrutiny.. > > > We are subject to Quality Assurance audits in our industry. Just like > FAA testing, by the very nature of audits is they MUST find something. > Somebody must fail or there would be no reason for existence. > > So, we were not averse to leaving a couple of obvious, easily noticed > (and easily corrected!) minor discrepancies that they could pounce on. > They went away happy, we were glad to be rid of them and the world > continued to turn. > > The FAA medical system is a pox on all of us. > > Chuck > Gee, Chuck sounds like you were in the Military. We knew that when the IG (Inspector General) showed up with his team that if you didn't have something easy for them to find and write you up on, they would stay longer and keep digging until they found something. That was their job and if they didn't find anything that meant they weren't doing their job. Ed A