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1. 07:10 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Charles Rowbotham)
2. 08:59 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (sarg314)
3. 09:20 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system (Rick Galati)
4. 09:41 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system (Ron Lee)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: attaching plenum (Karen and Robert Brown)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Kevin Horton)
7. 10:17 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Alex Peterson)
8. 10:30 AM - Beaded end on aluminum tube (George Inman)
9. 11:19 AM - Re: attaching plenum (sarg314)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Kevin Horton)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system (Tom Gummo)
12. 12:04 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Jerry Springer)
13. 12:59 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Kevin Horton)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: attaching plenum (Jeff Point)
15. 01:31 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Bruce Gray)
16. 01:42 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (JOHN STARN)
17. 02:02 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (LarryRobertHelming)
18. 02:13 PM - Re: attaching plenum (Terry Watson)
19. 02:15 PM - Re: Beaded end on aluminum tube (Greg Grigson)
20. 02:42 PM - Re:Beaded end on aluminum tube (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
21. 03:47 PM - Re: attaching plenum (BOB L WATSON)
22. 04:32 PM - Re: camera in the tail (Larry Bowen)
23. 04:34 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (James Freeman)
24. 04:37 PM - Non-receipt of RvAtor ()
25. 04:42 PM - Re: attaching plenum (Jeff Point)
26. 04:56 PM - Re: Non-receipt of RvAtor (Jerry Springer)
27. 05:13 PM - Re: attaching plenum (Terry Watson)
28. 05:40 PM - Re: Non-receipt of RvAtor (John Huft)
29. 06:59 PM - Re: attaching plenum (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
30. 08:56 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (JOHN STARN)
31. 08:57 PM - Re: attaching plenum (dick martin)
32. 09:10 PM - Empennage Finished! (MLWynn@aol.com)
33. 09:22 PM - Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system (Bruce Gray)
34. 09:50 PM - Good engine related reading - free! (Amit Dagan)
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| Subject: | Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Hi Don,
We have been using Infiniity's grip since we first flew our 8A in August,
2001 and Highly recommend it - It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
Our switch lay is as follows:
Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
Right - Start button (relay req)
Trigger - Comm
Left Side - Pulse Light - On or Off (Taxi & Landing lights on full time)
Bottom - Auto Pilot Disconnect
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Donald L. Erickson" <dle@joplin.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:51:45 -0500 mail003.fastfreedom.net
>autolearn=ham version=3.0.4
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Donald L. Erickson" <dle@joplin.com>
>
>In an RV8 has anyone used infinity grip switches, Vans relay and Vans
>positioning system? Search of the archeives reveals nothing. Thought I
>would check before experimenting and possibly burning up some parts.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Charles:
Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an inch
from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
activate.
Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>
> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>
>Our switch lay is as follows:
>
> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
> Right - Start button (relay req)
>
>
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, engine
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| Subject: | RE: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
My under construction 8A will sport the same arrangement on an Infinity joystick
grip as my flying 6A. I use the trigger for PTT, the coolie hat for 2 axis
trim, and the toggle as a momentary flap switch. This simple arrangement allows
one touch operation for all these functions and greatly eases pattern chores
with the left hand firmly on the grip at all times. I highly recommend it.
The necessary relays were all purchased from Van's. I have a UMA flap position
indicator installed but in reality, rarely refer to it. Flap deployment is
easily felt through the seat of the pants and working in concert with the AOA
and airspeed indicator, the FPI is an option I will not likely install on the
next project.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 89 hours
RV-8A empennage complete
In an RV8 has anyone used infinity grip switches, Vans relay and Vans positioning
system? Search of the archeives reveals nothing. Thought I would check before
experimenting and possibly burning up some parts.
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Charles:
> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>started by accident in flight?
My opinion is that any minimal perceived convenience is vastly
overruled by the potential of damage if you hit it once the engine
is running.
Bad idea IMO.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
I friend of mine attached a fiberglass plenum on an -8A. He did it just as Dan
described. Shortened the baffles a little, fit .032 angle around the perimeter
of the baffles, laid up the plenum over the engine, drilled downward through
the .032 angle, then installed nutplates on the bottom of the angle. Used screws
and tinnermans on the plenum. Works great. (and looks great).
I have the Airflow Performance Purge valve assembly on my 7A, and I too plan on
installing a glass plenum, but I've had to do some re-thinking of the geometry
of the purge valve arm and linkage to make it fit under a plenum...it will work!
Bob Brown
7A - fitting lower cowl @$#%@#
Darn that Ryton sump! My advice, think twice...
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to start
a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I was
worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
guarded, and has three positions:
Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
Wiring diagram:
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
> Charles:
> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
> convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
> started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an inch
> from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
> activate.
>
> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>
>> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>
>> Our switch lay is as follows:
>>
>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> Our switch lay is as follows:
>
> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
> Right - Start button (relay req)
>
> Trigger - Comm
>
> Left Side - Pulse Light - On or Off (Taxi & Landing
> lights on full time)
>
> Bottom - Auto Pilot Disconnect
What is the throttle hand doing while the stick hand is so occupied? I
simply cannot see the risk/benefit of having the flaps on the stick (not to
mention the complexity of a relay). The max flap speed on these planes is
about half of what they can fly at. Why not put the (no relay required)
flap switch where the throttle hand can actuate it? Another consideration
is that one will want to be actuating the trim during flap movement in most
landing cases, which could get interesting if that one hand is asked to do
both while also flying the plane. About then the tower will ask you for
something, requiring also transmitting...
Regarding the starter, sooner or later, it will be actuated in flight if the
button is on the stick. I know many will reply to this saying "it hasn't
ever happened to me", but odds are that it will happen given enough flying
hours on the plane.
Please give this some thought, particularly go through complete "flights"
while sitting at the mocked up panel/cockpit.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 684 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Beaded end on aluminum tube |
--> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" <ghinman@mts.net>
I have to make new oil return lines
on two cylinders,because they interfere with
the wire holding bottom of the baffles.
These aluminum tubes have a bead
where it enters the hose to the crankcase.
SEE http://www.mts.net/~ghinman/Bead.html
What tool do I need to make these?
George Inman
Home 204 287 8334
Cell 204 799 7062
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
The scres are certainly up to the task, but doesn't that make it a lot
of work to take the plenum off? There must be 30 of them. If I was
going to use fasteners like that, I think I would have to go with
camlocs or dzus, or something that only takes a 90 deg. rotation.
Karen and Robert Brown wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
>I friend of mine attached a fiberglass plenum on an -8A. He did it just as Dan
described. Shortened the baffles a little, fit .032 angle around the perimeter
of the baffles, laid up the plenum over the engine, drilled downward through
the .032 angle, then installed nutplates on the bottom of the angle. Used
screws and tinnermans on the plenum. Works great. (and looks great).
>
>Bob Brown
>7A - fitting lower cowl @$#%@#
>Darn that Ryton sump! My advice, think twice...
>
--
Tom Sargent
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
mounted switch should be:
Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
Kevin
On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to start
> a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I was
> worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
> another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
> stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
> guarded, and has three positions:
>
> Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
> Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>
> Wiring diagram:
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
> 2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
> On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>
>> Charles:
>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>> convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>> started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an inch
>> from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
>> activate.
>>
>> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>>
>>> Our switch lay is as follows:
>>>
>>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
What if you install a Red Guarded Switch on the panel in series so it has to
be ON too. Then the switch on the stick is non-operational once the guarded
switch is closed after start.
This way I can have my hands where I want them during start and protection
from hitting the button accidentally. Works for me.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II, 260 hours and no accidental starter operation
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap position system
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>>Charles:
>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>>convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>>started by accident in flight?
>
> My opinion is that any minimal perceived convenience is vastly
> overruled by the potential of damage if you hit it once the engine
> is running.
>
> Bad idea IMO.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
What is wrong with just keeping it simple and starting your airplane
like they have been started for years?
Turn the key or push the button to start. Has worked great for years and
I have not heard of to many
problems with this system. :-)
Jerry
do not archive
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
>mounted switch should be:
>
>Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
>Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
>Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>
>Kevin
>
>On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>>I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to start
>>a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I was
>>worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
>>another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
>>stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
>>guarded, and has three positions:
>>
>>Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
>>Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
>>Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>
>>Wiring diagram:
>>
>>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
>>2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
>>
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>Charles:
>>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>>>convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>>>started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an inch
>>>from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
>>>activate.
>>>
>>>Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>>>><crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>>>
>>>>Our switch lay is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>>>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>>>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Well, if I'm doing a hot start of my fuel injected engine, the
throttle will probably be full open, with the mixture at ICO. I
figure I'll want one hand for the throttle and mixture, a hand to
hold the stick back, and the third hand will run the starter. It
seemed easier to put a starter button on the stick than to graft on a
third hand :)
Granted, I might be able to capture the stick between my knees, or
perhaps hold it in the crook of my arm. But I wasn't sure that would
work, and it seemed a starter switch on the stick was a better
guarantee of success. But, to each his own.
Kevin
On 23 Oct 2005, at 15:03, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> What is wrong with just keeping it simple and starting your airplane
> like they have been started for years?
> Turn the key or push the button to start. Has worked great for
> years and
> I have not heard of to many
> problems with this system. :-)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
>> mounted switch should be:
>>
>> Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
>> Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>> I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to
>>> start
>>> a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I
>>> was
>>> worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
>>> another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
>>> stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
>>> guarded, and has three positions:
>>>
>>> Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
>>> Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
>>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>>
>>> Wiring diagram:
>>>
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
>>> 2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
>>>
>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Charles:
>>>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>>>> convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>>>> started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an
>>>> inch
>>>> from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
>>>> activate.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>>>>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our switch lay is as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>>>>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>>>>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
You only have to remove less than half of them to get access to the top
plugs. With an electric drill the whole thing comes apart in a few
minutes. I would not use Dzus or similar, for the same reason as piano
hinges. Dzus fasteners to do hold as tight as a screw and the lid will
vibrate and fret. You could probably make do with less screws than I
used, as mine is a little over-built.
Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
You could always put the starter button on the rudder pedal. Sorry, couldn't
resist.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Well, if I'm doing a hot start of my fuel injected engine, the
throttle will probably be full open, with the mixture at ICO. I
figure I'll want one hand for the throttle and mixture, a hand to
hold the stick back, and the third hand will run the starter. It
seemed easier to put a starter button on the stick than to graft on a
third hand :)
Granted, I might be able to capture the stick between my knees, or
perhaps hold it in the crook of my arm. But I wasn't sure that would
work, and it seemed a starter switch on the stick was a better
guarantee of success. But, to each his own.
Kevin
On 23 Oct 2005, at 15:03, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> What is wrong with just keeping it simple and starting your airplane
> like they have been started for years?
> Turn the key or push the button to start. Has worked great for
> years and
> I have not heard of to many
> problems with this system. :-)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
>> mounted switch should be:
>>
>> Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
>> Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>> I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to
>>> start
>>> a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I
>>> was
>>> worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
>>> another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
>>> stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
>>> guarded, and has three positions:
>>>
>>> Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
>>> Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
>>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>>
>>> Wiring diagram:
>>>
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
>>> 2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
>>>
>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Charles:
>>>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>>>> convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>>>> started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an
>>>> inch
>>>> from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
>>>> activate.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>>>>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our switch lay is as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>>>>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>>>>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Well on that subject...what was done for years was to have someone else to
"flip" the prop 'til it started. I'm still am the "Armstrong" starter for a
1947 Champ that fly's Young Eagles every month.
BUT on the original question. Lets see..... two hands .....one to hold the
stick full back...one to handle the mixture/throttle/prop......& and one
more to "push" the start button, opps, that be three. How 'bout one hand on
the tri controls and the other holding the stick back (unless your talking
'bout not worrying about putting the RV/Rocket on its nose at start up.
"Read training wheel" 8*) ) AND this hand on the stick engages the
starter button too. KABONG Do Not Archive
-
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> What is wrong with just keeping it simple and starting your airplane
> like they have been started for years?
> Turn the key or push the button to start. Has worked great for years and
> I have not heard of to many
> problems with this system. :-)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>>I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
>>mounted switch should be:
>>
>>Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
>>Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
>>Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>>I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to start
>>>a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I was
>>>worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
>>>another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
>>>stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
>>>guarded, and has three positions:
>>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I positioned my starter button on the panel immediately above my throttle.
( I have an O-360 engine.) My other hand is on the stick holding it back as
I am a tail dragger. My feet are on the toe brakes and my legs could not
easily hold the stick. My hand is on the throttle and trigger finger pushes
the start button at the same time. I considered the use of start button on
the stick at one time but I did not want activating the starter accidentally
while the engine is running. I wanted fewer switches. I picked the keep
it simple approach. I agree with Jerry.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 74 hours and still
grinning.............
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> Well, if I'm doing a hot start of my fuel injected engine, the
> throttle will probably be full open, with the mixture at ICO. I
> figure I'll want one hand for the throttle and mixture, a hand to
> hold the stick back, and the third hand will run the starter. It
> seemed easier to put a starter button on the stick than to graft on a
> third hand :)
>
> Granted, I might be able to capture the stick between my knees, or
> perhaps hold it in the crook of my arm. But I wasn't sure that would
> work, and it seemed a starter switch on the stick was a better
> guarantee of success. But, to each his own.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 23 Oct 2005, at 15:03, Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>>
>> What is wrong with just keeping it simple and starting your airplane
>> like they have been started for years?
>> Turn the key or push the button to start. Has worked great for
>> years and
>> I have not heard of to many
>> problems with this system. :-)
>>
>> Jerry
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>> I failed proof reading 101. The list of positions on the panel
>>> mounted switch should be:
>>>
>>> Bottom - Starter switch on the stick disabled,
>>> Middle - Starter swtich on the stick enabled,
>>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 12:59, Kevin Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>>
>>>> I also wanted a start button on the stick, to make it easier to
>>>> start
>>>> a fuel-injected engine when hot, without running out of hands. I
>>>> was
>>>> worried about the risk of hitting the button in flight, so I put
>>>> another switch on the panel to enable or disable the switch on the
>>>> stick. The panel switch is mounted right above the throttle, is
>>>> guarded, and has three positions:
>>>>
>>>> Bottom - Starter switch on the switch disabled,
>>>> Middle - Starter swtich on the switch enabled,
>>>> Up (momentary position) - crank the starter.
>>>>
>>>> Wiring diagram:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/elec_sys_pdfs/
>>>> 2.1_Ignition,_Mag,_Starter.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:57, sarg314 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles:
>>>>> Having the starter button on the stick sounds like a great
>>>>> convenience, but isn't there a fairly high chance of engaging the
>>>>> started by accident in flight? Your fingers are a fraction of an
>>>>> inch
>>>>> from it all the time and the switch doesn't take much pressure to
>>>>> activate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham"
>>>>>> <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It reduces your work load and is comfortible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our switch lay is as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Top - Center - Coolie hat (Trim - Elev and Airl)
>>>>>> Left - Flap ( Toggle - momtenarty > Up and Down)
>>>>>> Right - Start button (relay req)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I am hopefully near completion of fitting a carbon fiber plenum built by Jon
Johanson to the Superior IO-360-B1B (180 hp) from Aerosport Power in my
RV-8A. The plenum is designed so that it goes over the top of the engine and
wraps down the sides and is held in place by the valve cover bolts on the
cylinder heads. The back of the plenum is held in place by piano hinges to
the rear baffles. The only part that has really given me problems is trying
to figure out the right way to mate the front of the plenum to the cowl air
inlets.
Terry
Seattle
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown"
>
>
> I friend of mine attached a fiberglass plenum on an -8A. He did it just
as Dan described. Shortened the baffles a little, fit .032 angle around the
Perimeter of the baffles, laid up the plenum over the engine, drilled
downward through the .032 angle, then installed nutplates on the bottom of
the angle. Used screws and tinnermans on the plenum. Works great. (and looks
great).
I have the Airflow Performance Purge valve assembly on my 7A, and I too plan
on installing a glass plenum, but I've had to do some re-thinking of the
geometry of the purge valve arm and linkage to make it fit under a
penum...it will work!
> >
> > Bob Brown
> > 7A - fitting lower cowl @$#%@#
> > Darn that Ryton sump! My advice, think twice...
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Beaded end on aluminum tube |
--> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson <iflyhawaii2@yahoo.com>
George,
I asked an A&P friend of mine and he said don't worry about it as it is a low/no
pressure fitting with a rubber hose. Made sense to me, others may disagree.
I had a different probelm -- cracked flange fitting on head end of tube.
Greg in Honolulu
George Inman <ghinman@mts.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman"
I have to make new oil return lines
on two cylinders,because they interfere with
the wire holding bottom of the baffles.
These aluminum tubes have a bead
where it enters the hose to the crankcase.
SEE http://www.mts.net/~ghinman/Bead.html
What tool do I need to make these?
George Inman
Home 204 287 8334
Cell 204 799 7062
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| Subject: | Re:Beaded end on aluminum tube |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
You need a tubing beading tool. Better get them done by some shop than buy
the tool.
My old Navy buddy had one & he did mine.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: BOB L WATSON <bob194bn@verizon.net>
The way I did my plenum was one piece of .025 for the top deck of plenum no glass
to get hot and perfect heat sheild for upper cowl.five wires to pull out after
removeing five screws secureing the five wires.total access to upper area
of engine.no frit,no crack,no problem, 387.3 hr,s Vans even liked it. at last
years homecoming.Bob Watson N194BN,
Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point
You only have to remove less than half of them to get access to the top
plugs. With an electric drill the whole thing comes apart in a few
minutes. I would not use Dzus or similar, for the same reason as piano
hinges. Dzus fasteners to do hold as tight as a screw and the lid will
vibrate and fret. You could probably make do with less screws than I
used, as mine is a little over-built.
Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: camera in the tail |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <larry@bowenaero.com>
Looks like a real nice find. I'd go for it.
lucky wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>Larry and anyone knowedgeable, what do you guys think about this
>EXVIEW Sony HD230CWX Color PTZ Bullet SPY Camera 520Res Digital Pan+Tilt+3x Zoom+Remote
Control High Definition camera which comes with a remote function pad.
If the link below out of ebay doesn't work try the QVC store link below.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/EXVIEW-Sony-HD230CWX-Color-PTZ-Bullet-SPY-Camera-520Res_W0QQitemZ5762792893QQcategoryZ48634QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>http://www.qvcvideo.com/main/products/?category=13&bcat=54
>
>Seems like overkill but it was a Sony and it has cheaply prices lenses with different
FOV. I can get the widest FOV lense for $15.00.
>I just don't know how good it works on "auto" if you leave the remote key pad
alone.
>
>Lucky
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>>
>>I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the
>>FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot.
>>
>>Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV"
>>
>>http://viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview
>>
>>It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting.
>>
>>lucky
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk"
>>>
>>>Hi Lucky
>>>
>>>What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my
>>>Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to
>>>the wing and you can take it off in a minute.
>>>
>>>http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg
>>>
>>>A Testvideo ist here:
>>>
>>>http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm
>>>
>>>Happy Landings
>>>
>>>Thomas, RV-4
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko!
>>>Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the
>>FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot.
>>
>>Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV"
>>
>>http://viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview
>>
>>It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting.
>>
>>lucky
>>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>>-- RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk"
>>
>>Hi Lucky
>>
>>What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my
>>Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to
>>the wing and you can take it off in a minute.
>>
>>http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg
>>
>>A Testvideo ist here:
>>
>>http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm
>>
>>Happy Landings
>>
>>Thomas, RV-4
>>
>>
>>--
>>Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko!
>>Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner
>>
>>
>>he RV-List Email Forum -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Larry and anyone knowedgeable, what do you guys think about this
><H1 class=itemTitle>EXVIEW Sony HD230CWX Color PTZ Bullet SPY Camera 520Res Digital
Pan+Tilt+3x Zoom+Remote Control High Definition camera which comes with
a remote function pad. If the link below out of ebay doesn't work try the QVC
store link below.</H1>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/EXVIEW-Sony-HD230CWX-Color-PTZ-Bullet-SPY-Camera-520Res_W0QQitemZ5762792893QQcategoryZ48634QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>http://www.qvcvideo.com/main/products/?category=13bcat=54
>
>Seems like overkill but it was a Sony and it has cheaply prices lenses with different
FOV. I can get the widest FOV lense for $15.00.
>I just don't know how good it works on "auto" if you leave the remote key pad
alone.
>
>Lucky
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
> I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the
> FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot.
>
> Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV"
>
> http://viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview
>
> It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting.
>
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk"
>
> Hi Lucky
>
> What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my
> Videocamera
> . I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to
> the wing and you can take it off in a minute.
>
> http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg
>
> A Testvideo ist here:
>
> http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm
>
> Happy Landings
>
> Thomas, RV-4
>
>
> --
> Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko!
> Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner
>
>
> I think I found a website that lets you figure out from the spec sheet what the
> FOV is and it also let's you see the effect of different FOV from the same spot.
>
> Go to the web site below and click on the link to "Compare FOV"
>
> http:
> //viosport.com/store/customer/ourgear.php?page=ac3_overview
>
> It looks like the 88 degree or 2.9mm lense is the one I'm probably wanting.
>
> lucky
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" <LUKASCZYK@GMX.NET>
>
> Hi Lucky
>
> What about a camera on the wing? I am currently testing a wing-mount for my
> Videocamera. I made it from fiberglass and ACRYL-FOAM. It just gets taped to
> the wing and you can take it off in a minute.
>
> http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg
>
> A Testvideo ist here:
>
> http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm
>
> Happy Landings
>
> Thomas, RV-4
>
>
> --
> Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko!
> Satte Provisionen fr GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/part
> ner
>
>
> he RV-List Email Forum -
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> Well, if I'm doing a hot start of my fuel injected engine, the
> throttle will probably be full open, with the mixture at ICO. I
> figure I'll want one hand for the throttle and mixture, a hand to
> hold the stick back, and the third hand will run the starter. It
> seemed easier to put a starter button on the stick than to graft on a
> third hand :)
(snip)
Kevin, FWIW this was exactly my reasoning for putting the start
switch on the stick, and the "start enable" switch on the panel. I
might have even lifted the idea from your website, although I don't
recall.
This is one of the decisions I'm very happy with now that the
airplane is flying. The hot starts are difficult, but not as bad as
some installations I have seen/flown.
Several years ago, the RV4 in the hangar next to me had difficulty
starting his IO-360 hot and stood it up on its nose when it finally
roared to life at WOT. He now has a lighter prop which moved his C
of G back a little.
James Freeman
RV-8 N9TN flying
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| Subject: | Non-receipt of RvAtor |
--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
I never did get a copy of the last RvAtor - Van's won't even answer e-mails
in this regard. Can you guess who will no longer subscribe?
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Do you have any pictures?
Jeff
BOB L WATSON wrote:
>The way I did my plenum was one piece of .025 for the top deck of plenum no glass
to get hot and perfect heat sheild for upper cowl.five wires to pull out
after removeing five screws secureing the five wires.total access to upper area
of engine.no frit,no crack,no problem, 387.3 hr,s Vans even liked it. at last
years homecoming.Bob Watson N194BN,
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non-receipt of RvAtor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
n1cxo320@peoplepc.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
>
>I never did get a copy of the last RvAtor - Van's won't even answer e-mails
>in this regard. Can you guess who will no longer subscribe?
>
>John at Salida, CO
>
>
>
>
Probably the same guy that put the above in the archives with out a
"DO NOT ARCHIVE" :-)
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| Subject: | attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I gave some bad information in this previous post. My plenum is attached at
the sides with the large bolts threaded into the cylinder head that are used
to hold the baffles; not the valve cover bolts. The sides of the plenum are
cut out to fit around the valve covers.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Subject: RE: RV-List: attaching plenum
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I am hopefully near completion of fitting a carbon fiber plenum built by Jon
Johanson to the Superior IO-360-B1B (180 hp) from Aerosport Power in my
RV-8A. The plenum is designed so that it goes over the top of the engine and
wraps down the sides and is held in place by the valve cover bolts on the
cylinder heads. The back of the plenum is held in place by piano hinges to
the rear baffles. The only part that has really given me problems is trying
to figure out the right way to mate the front of the plenum to the cowl air
inlets.
Terry
Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Non-receipt of RvAtor |
version=3.0.3
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
That makes at least two of us.
John in Pagosa
do not archive, though maybe colorado subscribers should be warned
(there are at least 2 others)...no answer to my emails either.
Van's is not the company it used to be.
n1cxo320@peoplepc.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
>
>I never did get a copy of the last RvAtor - Van's won't even answer e-mails
>in this regard. Can you guess who will no longer subscribe?
>
>John at Salida, CO
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 10/23/2005 3:14:41 PM Central Standard Time,
terry@tcwatson.com writes:
The only part that has really given me problems is trying
to figure out the right way to mate the front of the plenum to the cowl air
inlets.
>>>
Here's a simple method that has worked well on mine:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5305
They fit to:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=4996
& haven't seen any problems after 240 hours operation.
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
AHH yes....but which one ?. Would you favor the right or the left OR is
that red vs blue..... (or on airplanes is that red vs green) 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> You could always put the starter button on the rudder pedal. Sorry,
> couldn't
> resist.
>
> Bruce
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| Subject: | Re: attaching plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Listers,
There has been a lot of interest lately on plenum chambers and how to attach
them to the RV8. I have one of the first plenum chambers and I installed it
on my RV8 5 years ago and now have over 1200 hours on it. The following is
not the only way you could do this, however it is the way I did mine with
good success. I bought the plenum chamber from Sam James in 1999. It was
designed by Dave Anders and friends in California in the late 1990s. It has
proven to be one of the best speed modifications that I have tried on my
RV8. My RV8 is equipped with first a IO360AlB6 (10-1) and now a IO390A1B6.
There is no difference in the physical size etc. regarding the installation
of either engine. A few minor baffle changes is all that is necessary
because of the larger cylinder diameter.
Installation of the plenum chamber will require you to cut out the sides
where the cylinder heads are and to fit it around the valve covers for a
good seal. You may have to modify the fit of the air inlet ramps in front
of cylinders 1 and 2 slightly. I attached these ramps to the plenum with #8
screws and nutplates in the ramps. The plenum is secured to the cylinder
bosses on 1 and 2 front with # 10 flat head machine screws with counter sunk
washers and friction nuts on the crankshaft side of the cylinder head boss.
The rear side of the plenum is secured to the rear engine baffle with #8
screws to nut plates on the rear engine baffle. I had to lower the fuel
injection distributer approx. 3/8" by modifying the attach bracket in order
to obtain proper clearance with the top shell of the plenum. I also ended
up making a small bubble in the top of the plenum to accomodate the lowered
fuel distributer.
My airplane was on of the first RVs to use a plenum. It is possbile that
the plenums now do not require the above mods.
Initially, I used rubber inner tube sections to connect to the air inlet
rings in the NACA (James) cowl and they worked good. Since then, I made
custom fiberglass ramps to accomodate the slight misalignment of the plenum
with the cowl air inlets which has impproved the performance and appearance.
The addition of the plenum has proven to be a substantial speed enhancer. It
is my opinion that it has added a minimum of at least 5 knots airspeed and
totally eliminated engine cooling problems. For those of you who are
creative and want to fabricate your own plenum, please be advised that it
needs to be constructed or HIGH TEMPERATURE epoxy and cured in an autoclave.
For this reason, I thought that the price SAM JAMES charges for his well
engineered plenum was very reasonable.
For mor information contact Sam James @863 675 4493
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: attaching plenum
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> How about #8 flush screws & tinnerman washers through the fiberglass,
> going
> through .025" or .032" angle along the top edge of the aluminum baffle
> sides
> & back, into nutplates?
>
> At least that's what I plan on doing when I convert to a fiberglass plenum
> top at some point in the future!
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (650 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: attaching plenum
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>>
>> I am working on my engine baffles and contemplating cutting them short
>> and putting a fiberglass top on rather than sealing it against the top
>> cowl. It will add a lot of strength to the baffles and probably put
>> less stress on the cowling. I know other builders have done this.
>>
>> My question is how to attach the fiberglass to the top edge of the
>> baffles. A piano hinge would be good, but it is rather wide - it would
>> extend down more than an inch from the top of the baffle. Also if the
>> piano hinges aren't all oriented horizontally - which is hard to do - it
>> seems like it would be hard to get the thing on and off. There's always
>> camlocs, but they're expensive and don't distribute the load as well as
>> a piano hinge.
>>
>> How have those of you who have done this attached the fiberglass to the
>> top edge of the baffle?
>> --
>> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Empennage Finished! |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Well folks,
After nine months, 294 hours and a number of re-do's, I finally finished the
empennage. It is not perfect, but most of it is pretty good. I certainly
think it is airworthy with only a few cosmetic defects.
Just a note of thanks for all on the list that have made helpful suggestions
during this, the newbie stage. On to the wings!
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Wings
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
You laugh, but I remember the first car I ever drove when I was a young pup
of 15 or so growing up on the rough south side of Chicago. My mothers Nash
Rambler had a tab on the top of the clutch pedal that depressed the starter
button when fully pushed to the floor.
So, how about full left rudder and brake?
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
AHH yes....but which one ?. Would you favor the right or the left OR is
that red vs blue..... (or on airplanes is that red vs green) 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity grip and Van's flap possition system
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> You could always put the starter button on the rudder pedal. Sorry,
> couldn't
> resist.
>
> Bruce
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| Subject: | Good engine related reading - free! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <amitdagan@hotmail.com>
http://www.buy-ei.com/The_Pilots_Manual_by_EI.htm
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