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1. 02:22 AM - Re: electric vs manual ()
2. 02:42 AM - Re: electric vs manual (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
3. 04:58 AM - MEK, was inside cowl prep (Glen Matejcek)
4. 06:06 AM - Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Smitty)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: inside cowl prep (Scott Bilinski)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: inside cowl prep (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Bill Cary)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Darrell Reiley)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Dave/Deb)
10. 07:56 AM - Van's FAB Service Letter (Dick DeCramer)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Smitty)
12. 09:04 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Dan Checkoway)
13. 09:15 AM - Thermocouple Basics (was: Thermocouple wiring firewall pentrations) (Bill Dube)
14. 09:21 AM - Re: ADIZ Requirements (Bob)
15. 09:21 AM - Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo (Tim Bryan)
16. 09:22 AM - ADIZ NPRM (Ed Holyoke)
17. 09:42 AM - Re: EGT probe sizes (RobHickman@aol.com)
18. 10:14 AM - Re: Start Button on Infinity Stick Grip (Charles Rowbotham)
19. 10:30 AM - Cabin heat cable (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
20. 10:44 AM - Re: ADIZ NPRM (Darrell Reiley)
21. 11:15 AM - Re: ADIZ NPRM - it can happen to you too (Marty Helller)
22. 12:51 PM - Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Brad Oliver)
23. 01:03 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Tim Bryan)
24. 01:42 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Walter Tondu)
25. 01:46 PM - Re: ADIZ NPRM - TOP SECRET (Bob)
26. 01:57 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Smitty)
27. 02:08 PM - Re: ADIZ NPRM - TOP SECRET (Kelly McMullen)
28. 02:21 PM - Re: ADIZ Requirements (Richard McBride)
29. 02:42 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Darrell Reiley)
30. 02:51 PM - Re: inside cowl prep (John Danielson)
31. 03:18 PM - Re: Cabin heat cable (Jim Oke)
32. 03:22 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (James H Nelson)
33. 04:13 PM - first flight (Jim Brown)
34. 04:33 PM - Re: electric vs manual (Curt Reimer)
35. 05:33 PM - Re: first flight (Charles Rowbotham)
36. 05:37 PM - Re: first flight (Walter Tondu)
37. 05:41 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Walter Tondu)
38. 06:30 PM - Re: first flight (Jeff Point)
39. 06:32 PM - Re: ADIZ NPRM (Mickey Coggins)
40. 06:33 PM - Re: first flight (Darrell Reiley)
41. 09:28 PM - ALODINE 1132 TOUCH-N-PREP on wing Spars? (MLWynn@aol.com)
42. 10:54 PM - Re: ALODINE 1132 TOUCH-N-PREP on wing Spars? (Paul Trotter)
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| Subject: | Re: electric vs manual |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> I wouldnt worry about loss of electrics. The forces you're dealing with
in
> the event you lose trim and the lack of flaps wont add much of a problem.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
Jeff is correct; but, electric flaps and trim are some of those things that
can
fail if the battery fails. That may make a difference in someone's decision
making process. As I said, I did opt to put in the electric flaps for the
convenience and paid a good deal extra for them. I have not regretted
that decision. I put in the manual elevator trim because I had it and had
read about the problems of fast trims with the electrics. Nowadays, one
can buy the speed reducer and take care of that problem. With that, it's
a toss up for me to install either one. Both work. I'll stick with the
simple
manual trim on the ailerons, though. It's cheap and works. Now, if I can
afford it, I'll have a wing leveler on my -7A, at least. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
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| Subject: | Re: electric vs manual |
--> RV-List message posted by:
On Thursday 27 October 2005 11.20, sears@searnet.com wrote:
> Jeff is correct; but, electric flaps and trim are some of those things that
> can
> fail if the battery fails. That may make a difference in someone's
> decision making process.
Actually, it's not so much the risk that they cease to work that worries me. I
have once experienced in a PA28 when the electric trim suddely decided to
strive for max nose down. Hitting the emergency cut-off solved part of the
problem fairly quickly, but I still had to pull hard on the yoke. Manually
retrimming to neutral felt very good indeed. I could've brought it down with
the trim way off, but it would have been unpleasant.
_
/Bjorn.
do not archive
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| Subject: | MEK, was inside cowl prep |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi All-
IIRC, the biggest problem with MEK is that it will take whatever it is
mixed with transdermal. IE, if you use it to clean the crud out of your
cowling and get it on your skin, the MEK AND the crud will be absorbed
through your skin and into the underlying tissue and bloodstream. Some of
you may recall DMSO of about 2 decades ago. Same kind of issue-
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Well, here's one for my Homer Simpson page. I accidentally dropped my
rivet gun on top of my right elevator skin that was stored on the second
shelf of my work bench. I saw the rivet gun starting to fall to the floor
and tried to cushion the fall with leg, but instead sent it sailing
through the air to land safely on the elevator. Luckily I haven't starting
working on the elevators.
I want to order a new right elevator (E-901-R) skin from Van's today, but
my work place has a Internet block against anything to do with "vehicles"
thanks to a fellow worker who spends his day looking at cars on the
Internet and not doing his job.
Can one of yous guys send me the replacement cost for the right elevator
skin (E-904-R) from "the list"? If it too pricey, I may just use filler to
repair the dents and move on.
Thanks!
Smitty - RV-9A (fumble fingers)
http://SmittysRV.com
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| Subject: | Re: inside cowl prep |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Just paint the inside of the cowl same as the out side it looks really
clean this way and so for 300+ hours it still looks great!
At 09:34 PM 10/26/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: <nyman@bellsouth.net>
>
>I've previously read that others have covered the inside of their engine
>cowl with resin and was curious if this meant epoxy resin without any
>hardener mixed with it. I've also heard that MEK is good for cleaning the
>cowl before applying the resin. Are there any other products that would
>be acceptable?
>
>Thanks in advance for your replies.
>
>Steve
>RV7
>N174AS
>140 hrs
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | inside cowl prep |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The only thing that fully protects against MEK is Butyl gloves. Hard to find
locally and usually need to be mail ordered. Not of the use once type. Neoprene,
Nitril, latex, & vinyl do next to nothing or nothing against it.
If you are looking for something to do light degrease or strip wax build up prior
to any type of paint or other material application, use something like PPG
DX330 or some other naphtha type compound. Regular gloves will protect from
that.
$0.02
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing bottom skins
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Subject: Re: RV-List: inside cowl prep
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Disposable gloves are readily available even at my local grocery store.
I probably went through 300 while prepping my plane to paint and also use it when
setting my gopher traps.
Cheap insurance.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Cary" <williamc@rv9builder.com>
Sorry to hear about your falling gun. Here is the info you requested for
pricing. RIGHT ELEVATOR SKIN E-901-R $73.95
Hope this helps and the price isn't too bad but don't forget Van's handling
charge and shipping.
Bill
SNIP:I accidentally dropped my rivet gun on top of my right elevator skin
that was stored on the second shelf of my work bench.
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| Subject: | Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
E901R = $73.95
Darrell
do not archive
Smitty <smitty@smittysrv.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty"
Well, here's one for my Homer Simpson page. I accidentally dropped my
rivet gun on top of my right elevator skin that was stored on the second
shelf of my work bench. I saw the rivet gun starting to fall to the floor
and tried to cushion the fall with leg, but instead sent it sailing
through the air to land safely on the elevator. Luckily I haven't starting
working on the elevators.
I want to order a new right elevator (E-901-R) skin from Van's today, but
my work place has a Internet block against anything to do with "vehicles"
thanks to a fellow worker who spends his day looking at cars on the
Internet and not doing his job.
Can one of yous guys send me the replacement cost for the right elevator
skin (E-904-R) from "the list"? If it too pricey, I may just use filler to
repair the dents and move on.
Thanks!
Smitty - RV-9A (fumble fingers)
http://SmittysRV.com
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| Subject: | Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave/Deb" <davwol@svtv.com>
Smitty (Homer),
E901-R skin $73.95
Now get back to work.
Dave
RV 9-A Fuse
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Van's FAB Service Letter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
RV Listers..
There has been a new service letter posted dated October 2005 concerning
the magnetic bypass in the FAB airbox assembly. It is on
www.vansaircraft.com click on Service letters for the full explanation.
Evidently the fix of an earlier service letter did not work as envisioned.
Keep driving those rivets.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 95 hours
diesel@rconnect.com
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| Subject: | Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Thanks guys!
I will probably just patch the dents with Evercoat Rage Gold. There are
4-5 small cosmetic dents that identify the layout of the rivet gun, just
enough for someone to say "Hey look, someone must have dropped a rivet gun
on that elevator!".
I figure the shipping cost for an large and awkward package would really
be "up there" in cost.
I'm off to look at Dan Checkoways website to see how to use the Rage Gold.
Have a goodun!
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Cary" <williamc@rv9builder.com>
>
> Sorry to hear about your falling gun. Here is the info you requested for
> pricing. RIGHT ELEVATOR SKIN E-901-R $73.95
>
> Hope this helps and the price isn't too bad but don't forget Van's
> handling
> charge and shipping.
>
> Bill
>
> SNIP:I accidentally dropped my rivet gun on top of my right elevator skin
> that was stored on the second shelf of my work bench.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I'm off to look at Dan Checkoways website to see how to use the Rage Gold.
Dab a drop of the blue cream hardener in the yellow filler, mix it up well
with a squeegee, and apply. There's some proper ratio of cream hardener to
filler, probably in the instructions (not looking at it at the moment), but
the stuff is extremely unpicky. Swipe it on with the squeegee, done deal.
About 5 minutes later it's dry, and you can sand it in like 20-30 minutes if
you're impatient.
If the ding is in the *bottom* of the elevator I doubt I'd even bother
filling it until you're thinking about painting the plane. And then you
could use an epoxy filler like Superfil or epoxy+micro, just steal a tiny
bit from some other big batch of filling. People will tell you polyester
fillers like Rage [Gold] aren't ideal...I tend to agree and try to use it
only on feather fill applications. And my plane isn't even painted, so what
do I know?!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Thermocouple Basics (was: Thermocouple wiring firewall pentrations) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
Let's start with the fact that I worked at NIST for 20 years, much
of that time in the group that wrote the thermocouple tables (NBS
Monograph 125.)
The voltage of a thermocouple circuit is generated along the wires.
It is NOT generated at the junctions. (If you think it is generated at
the junctions, try to explain why you need a reference junction.)
As the wire passes through a difference in temperature, a voltage is
generated. If you make a connection or splice of a different type of
alloy, any temperature difference in that region will generate the wrong
amount of voltage. If all of that region is the same temperature, no
spurious voltage will be generated.
Metal oxides generate a LOT of voltage. (Metal oxides typically have
a very high Seebeck coefficient.) If you use the wrong connector, you
will often cause oxides to form, causing a very large error in the
temperature reading.
The correct connectors and wire are easy to find and not very
expensive for typical thermocouples you would use in an airplane. You
need to know the "type" of thermocouple (like "K", "J", "T"...) and buy
wires and connectors of that same type.
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Re: ADIZ Requirements |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I have submitted my comments to the FAA on this subject. However, for
those who know or fly in the ADIZ I was wondering how you get back in once
you leave the ADIZ.
As I understand it you must file a flight plan to fly in the ADIZ. But if
I file a flight plan to depart the ADIZ and the plan does not include my
return to the ADIZ, but in flight I decide to re-enter the ADIZ, how do I
do it?
NOTE: This is RV related because if I do this it will be in my RV.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: Doh! Elevator boo-boo |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
I would sure layout the skin to make sure where the dents line up with on
the elevator structure before filling it. Plus the riveting process might
interfere with the filler. I am sure you thought of this though. All this
pre drilled stuff do make it easier in that regard.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Doh! Elevator boo-boo
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I'm off to look at Dan Checkoways website to see how to use the Rage Gold.
Dab a drop of the blue cream hardener in the yellow filler, mix it up well
with a squeegee, and apply. There's some proper ratio of cream hardener to
filler, probably in the instructions (not looking at it at the moment), but
the stuff is extremely unpicky. Swipe it on with the squeegee, done deal
About 5 minutes later it's dry, and you can sand it in like 20-30 minutes if
you're impatient.
If the ding is in the *bottom* of the elevator I doubt I'd even bother
filling it until you're thinking about painting the plane. And then you
could use an epoxy filler like Superfil or epoxy+micro, just steal a tiny
bit from some other big batch of filling. People will tell you polyester
fillers like Rage [Gold] aren't ideal...I tend to agree and try to use it
only on feather fill applications. And my plane isn't even painted, so what
do I know?!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Folks,
The comment period for the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, which would
make the Washington, DC ADIZ permanent, ends on Tuesday. Stand up for
your right to fly and submit a comment while there's still time. Links
you can use may be found here:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/499-full.html
The docket # is 17005.
Sorry for the non-building post, but I feel strongly that we must not
allow the TSA to bulldoze the FAA into seizing and restricting more and
more airspace. If we allow this to pass unchallenged, the precedent will
be set for more ADIZs which will be imposed at the slightest provocation
or perceived threat to "national security".
Below is the text of the comment which I submitted. Feel free to
paraphrase and use some of the ideas for your own comments. I'm sure
that an inventive group such as this can come up with more ideas and
angles to work. Please submit a comment of your own.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
Do not archive
The proposal to make the airspace restrictions around the Washington, DC
area permanent is a gross overreach, unnecessary, and will be next to
useless in promoting national security.
No general aviation aircraft has ever been used for a terrorist act in
this country, yet GA has born the brunt of the airspace restrictions
handed down by the Dept. of Homeland Security through the FAA. It is
hard to believe the hysteria that is being promoted in the name of
security. When a 1500 pound gross weight Cessna 150 cruising at 100
miles per hour causes Congress and the White House to evacuate and run
for cover, there's something wrong with the basic process of threat
assessment.
Denying access (or making it extremely difficult and expensive) to the
seat of our supposed freedoms and all the surrounding area to citizens
who fly is a tacit surrender to terrorism. Terrorists set out to change
our way of life, and if we give up our freedom to fly in the name of
security, they have succeeded in part. Worse is that this freedom is
being taken for no good reason. Having a permanent 2000 square mile no
fly zone for small planes not only wouldn't prevent an act of terrorism,
it's only purpose is to lull the public into believing that something is
being done. This ADIZ is no more than a piece of regulatory propaganda.
The economic impact of these restrictions has already been enormous.
People who make their living from aviation and related activities have
been hard hit and need a break, not another twist of the knife.
The consequences of this draconian seizure of airspace extend far past
the boundaries of the ADIZ. Just recently Arizona pilot Dale Mooneyham
was falsely accused of violating the airspace in Washington, DC on a day
when he was, in fact, flying in Arizona. This was because an FAA
employee accidentally transposed an N number. The proposed rule would
have made him a criminal with the onus on him to prove his innocence. It
was only by a stroke of luck that he was able to document where he was
that day and it was only through a concerted effort on his part and by
AOPA and others that he was able to clear his name.
We have a problem with useless airspace restrictions all over the
country. When did Disneyland become a precious national resource to be
protected from airborne assault? Yet it and Disneyworld have been
"protected" by TFRs since '01. Mayor Daley of Chicago cited national
security when he illegally bulldozed Miegs Field. He has demanded F-16
air cover for his city saying it's just as necessary there as in
Washington. He may have a point - it's not necessary either place. Can't
anybody see how nuts all this is?
There seems to be a lot of political pressure on to do something about
incursions into the area around Washington, such as large fines,
possible jail sentences and revocation of pilots' licenses, when the
real problem is that the area is much larger than necessary. Instead of
making the area permanent, we should be reducing it's size and
complexity and looking at eliminating it entirely in the near future.
Give us back our airspace.
Ed Holyoke
Private Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: EGT probe sizes |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/2005 11:20:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jmpcrftr@teleport.com writes:
If the Dynon uses type K thermocouples, just use the existing EI
thermocouples and you will have the holes filled up. EI uses K
thermocouples. Yes, you'll probably have to change the connectors on
one of the sets of cables.
You also need to check if the Dynon is using ungrounded probes, the EI
probes are not grounded.
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Start Button on Infinity Stick Grip |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
I agree with Michael. Also in the 4 years we have been flying our 8A, we
have never accidentally hit the start button. If you have never had an
emergency before, you'll be surprised at how focused you get on the issue at
hand. I'd suggest that KISS is a really great design concept.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (Flying)
>From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Start Button on Infinity Stick Grip
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:41:27 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I did the exact same thing, right up through my flight test doing engine
>out glides where I "startled" (read heart attack) myself when I pushed
>the stick start button and nothing happened. Took be a few seconds to
>figure out I had to rearm the switch on the panel.
>
>I never used that da$#@$! panel switch again. I do not want to have to
>remember to rearm it during an emergency situation.
>
>Mike
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Brooks
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Start Button on Infinity Stick Grip
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks@charter.net>
>
>We wired a switch on the panel to disable the stick starter button. The
>start button itself is at the top, far right of the right-hand grip so
>you
>have to reach up and cross over with your thumb to start. Not likely to
>hit
>it accidentally after engine start, but we added the stick-start disable
>item to our checklist after engine start. It makes wiring a bit more
>involved, but is a positive way to eliminate the possibility of
>accidental
>starter engagement after initial start.
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| Subject: | Cabin heat cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
I'm looking for a part number for this item:
I have seen several RVs with a small red metallic control cable used to
route heat to the cockpit. It typically has a silver colored centre. Can't
seem to find this at any vendor.
Can someone supply me with a vendor and part #?
Thanks
Steve
RV7A #2
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Just got my comments filed on 17005... I feel much better now. Does the word Freedom
ring a bell? Thanks for the HEADS UP! ;-)
Darrell
do not archive
Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke"
Folks,
The comment period for the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, which would
make the Washington, DC ADIZ permanent, ends on Tuesday. Stand up for
your right to fly and submit a comment while there's still time. Links
you can use may be found here:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/499-full.html
The docket # is 17005.
Sorry for the non-building post, but I feel strongly that we must not
allow the TSA to bulldoze the FAA into seizing and restricting more and
more airspace. If we allow this to pass unchallenged, the precedent will
be set for more ADIZs which will be imposed at the slightest provocation
or perceived threat to "national security".
Below is the text of the comment which I submitted. Feel free to
paraphrase and use some of the ideas for your own comments. I'm sure
that an inventive group such as this can come up with more ideas and
angles to work. Please submit a comment of your own.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
Do not archive
The proposal to make the airspace restrictions around the Washington, DC
area permanent is a gross overreach, unnecessary, and will be next to
useless in promoting national security.
No general aviation aircraft has ever been used for a terrorist act in
this country, yet GA has born the brunt of the airspace restrictions
handed down by the Dept. of Homeland Security through the FAA. It is
hard to believe the hysteria that is being promoted in the name of
security. When a 1500 pound gross weight Cessna 150 cruising at 100
miles per hour causes Congress and the White House to evacuate and run
for cover, there's something wrong with the basic process of threat
assessment.
Denying access (or making it extremely difficult and expensive) to the
seat of our supposed freedoms and all the surrounding area to citizens
who fly is a tacit surrender to terrorism. Terrorists set out to change
our way of life, and if we give up our freedom to fly in the name of
security, they have succeeded in part. Worse is that this freedom is
being taken for no good reason. Having a permanent 2000 square mile no
fly zone for small planes not only wouldn't prevent an act of terrorism,
it's only purpose is to lull the public into believing that something is
being done. This ADIZ is no more than a piece of regulatory propaganda.
The economic impact of these restrictions has already been enormous.
People who make their living from aviation and related activities have
been hard hit and need a break, not another twist of the knife.
The consequences of this draconian seizure of airspace extend far past
the boundaries of the ADIZ. Just recently Arizona pilot Dale Mooneyham
was falsely accused of violating the airspace in Washington, DC on a day
when he was, in fact, flying in Arizona. This was because an FAA
employee accidentally transposed an N number. The proposed rule would
have made him a criminal with the onus on him to prove his innocence. It
was only by a stroke of luck that he was able to document where he was
that day and it was only through a concerted effort on his part and by
AOPA and others that he was able to clear his name.
We have a problem with useless airspace restrictions all over the
country. When did Disneyland become a precious national resource to be
protected from airborne assault? Yet it and Disneyworld have been
"protected" by TFRs since '01. Mayor Daley of Chicago cited national
security when he illegally bulldozed Miegs Field. He has demanded F-16
air cover for his city saying it's just as necessary there as in
Washington. He may have a point - it's not necessary either place. Can't
anybody see how nuts all this is?
There seems to be a lot of political pressure on to do something about
incursions into the area around Washington, such as large fines,
possible jail sentences and revocation of pilots' licenses, when the
real problem is that the area is much larger than necessary. Instead of
making the area permanent, we should be reducing it's size and
complexity and looking at eliminating it entirely in the near future.
Give us back our airspace.
Ed Holyoke
Private Pilot
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | ADIZ NPRM - it can happen to you too |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty Helller" <marty_away@hotmail.com>
Just got my Notice for Proposed Certificate Action for my ADIZ violation.
Talking with FAA lawyers, for any ATIZ bust, they'll at least cite you for,
FAR 91.139c, Operating in Airspace without complying with all the NOTAM
terms.
FAR 99.7, same thing, different section.
And since you did those, you also get a
"91.13(a) Operating an aircraft in a carless or reckless manner so as to
endanger the life or property of another."
The FAA recommends only a 30 day suspension....out of pure policy....
What diobolical act did I do you might ask?
I filed my ADIZ flight plan, and departed from an airport within the ADIZ,
but didn't ask for my squaw until airborne. (The tower closed as I called
for taxi).
Yes, I blew it'; guess I'm lucky that I didn't get a $100,000 fine to boot.
How many of you want a 91.13a for a 30 second ADIZ violation before getting
on the right code?
>From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: ADIZ NPRM Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:22:00 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>
>Folks,
>
>The comment period for the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, which would
>make the Washington, DC ADIZ permanent, ends on Tuesday. Stand up for
>your right to fly and submit a comment while there's still time. Links
>you can use may be found here:
>
>http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/499-full.html
>
>The docket # is 17005.
>
>Sorry for the non-building post, but I feel strongly that we must not
>allow the TSA to bulldoze the FAA into seizing and restricting more and
>more airspace. If we allow this to pass unchallenged, the precedent will
>be set for more ADIZs which will be imposed at the slightest provocation
>or perceived threat to "national security".
>
>Below is the text of the comment which I submitted. Feel free to
>paraphrase and use some of the ideas for your own comments. I'm sure
>that an inventive group such as this can come up with more ideas and
>angles to work. Please submit a comment of your own.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>Do not archive
>
>
>The proposal to make the airspace restrictions around the Washington, DC
>area permanent is a gross overreach, unnecessary, and will be next to
>useless in promoting national security.
>
>No general aviation aircraft has ever been used for a terrorist act in
>this country, yet GA has born the brunt of the airspace restrictions
>handed down by the Dept. of Homeland Security through the FAA. It is
>hard to believe the hysteria that is being promoted in the name of
>security. When a 1500 pound gross weight Cessna 150 cruising at 100
>miles per hour causes Congress and the White House to evacuate and run
>for cover, there's something wrong with the basic process of threat
>assessment.
>
>Denying access (or making it extremely difficult and expensive) to the
>seat of our supposed freedoms and all the surrounding area to citizens
>who fly is a tacit surrender to terrorism. Terrorists set out to change
>our way of life, and if we give up our freedom to fly in the name of
>security, they have succeeded in part. Worse is that this freedom is
>being taken for no good reason. Having a permanent 2000 square mile no
>fly zone for small planes not only wouldn't prevent an act of terrorism,
>it's only purpose is to lull the public into believing that something is
>being done. This ADIZ is no more than a piece of regulatory propaganda.
>
>The economic impact of these restrictions has already been enormous.
>People who make their living from aviation and related activities have
>been hard hit and need a break, not another twist of the knife.
>
>
>The consequences of this draconian seizure of airspace extend far past
>the boundaries of the ADIZ. Just recently Arizona pilot Dale Mooneyham
>was falsely accused of violating the airspace in Washington, DC on a day
>when he was, in fact, flying in Arizona. This was because an FAA
>employee accidentally transposed an N number. The proposed rule would
>have made him a criminal with the onus on him to prove his innocence. It
>was only by a stroke of luck that he was able to document where he was
>that day and it was only through a concerted effort on his part and by
>AOPA and others that he was able to clear his name.
>
>We have a problem with useless airspace restrictions all over the
>country. When did Disneyland become a precious national resource to be
>protected from airborne assault? Yet it and Disneyworld have been
>"protected" by TFRs since '01. Mayor Daley of Chicago cited national
>security when he illegally bulldozed Miegs Field. He has demanded F-16
>air cover for his city saying it's just as necessary there as in
>Washington. He may have a point - it's not necessary either place. Can't
>anybody see how nuts all this is?
>
>There seems to be a lot of political pressure on to do something about
>incursions into the area around Washington, such as large fines,
>possible jail sentences and revocation of pilots' licenses, when the
>real problem is that the area is much larger than necessary. Instead of
>making the area permanent, we should be reducing it's size and
>complexity and looking at eliminating it entirely in the near future.
>
>Give us back our airspace.
>
>Ed Holyoke
>Private Pilot
>
>
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| Subject: | Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
I am trying to decide how I want to finish my fiberglass emp tips (when
I get around to doing so). In other words, do I want to glass and
smooth the fiberglass to aluminum transition, or do I just want to
rivet and be done with it.
Anywhooo... I seem to remember someone out there going through the same
debate, and having an online photo album of close-up pictures they took
at Oshkosh of the different methods of installing the tips (e.g. rivets,
glass n' smooth, screws). I thought I saved the link in my favorites,
but apparently not, and I can't seem to locate the info (URL) in the
archives.
I am not looking to debate the merits of the different methods, I am
just trying to locate the pictures... if someone knows what I am
referring to and has the link, could you please send it to me? Thanks!
Brad Oliver
RV-7
Livermore, CA
www.rv7factory.com
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
I would love to see this also. Please include to the list.
Airplane is moved to the airport, so the tips can go on now. Couldn't get
it out my garage door with them on.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: Brad Oliver
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Tips - Pictures?
--> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
I am trying to decide how I want to finish my fiberglass emp tips (when
I get around to doing so). In other words, do I want to glass and
smooth the fiberglass to aluminum transition, or do I just want to
rivet and be done with it.
Anywhooo... I seem to remember someone out there going through the same
debate, and having an online photo album of close-up pictures they took
at Oshkosh of the different methods of installing the tips (e.g. rivets,
glass n' smooth, screws). I thought I saved the link in my favorites,
but apparently not, and I can't seem to locate the info (URL) in the
archives.
I am not looking to debate the merits of the different methods, I am
just trying to locate the pictures... if someone knows what I am
referring to and has the link, could you please send it to me? Thanks!
Brad Oliver
RV-7
Livermore, CA
www.rv7factory.com
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 10/27 12:50, Brad Oliver wrote:
> I am trying to decide how I want to finish my fiberglass emp tips (when
> I get around to doing so). In other words, do I want to glass and
> smooth the fiberglass to aluminum transition, or do I just want to
> rivet and be done with it.
>
> Anywhooo... I seem to remember someone out there going through the same
> debate, and having an online photo album of close-up pictures they took
> at Oshkosh of the different methods of installing the tips (e.g. rivets,
> glass n' smooth, screws). I thought I saved the link in my favorites,
> but apparently not, and I can't seem to locate the info (URL) in the
> archives.
>
> I am not looking to debate the merits of the different methods, I am
> just trying to locate the pictures... if someone knows what I am
> referring to and has the link, could you please send it to me? Thanks!
Why not just 'git er done' now without doing all the finish
work and leaving that for when you paint? Just pop rivet those
suckers in place and glass them in later if you want.
That's what I'm doing.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| Subject: | ADIZ NPRM - TOP SECRET |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>Just got my Notice for Proposed Certificate Action for my ADIZ violation.
>
>What diobolical act did I do you might ask?
>
>I filed my ADIZ flight plan, and departed from an airport within the ADIZ,
>but didn't ask for my squaw until airborne. (The tower closed as I called
>for taxi).
The ADIZ was created as a tool to actually defend our borders, but now it
is used to control our citizens. Too bad the Federal Government will not
enforce strict compliance (ground and air) with our boarders as they do
with the Washington ADIZ. I wonder if an undocumented alien violated the
ADIZ airspace around Washington DC, if he would receive a violation!
It is my opinion that the decision has already been made about a
permanent ADIZ, the only question the Federal Government had about the
temporary ADIZ was the size they were going to make for the permanent ADIZ.
I am not a fan of civil disobedience, but in our country, whether it was
women's rights or civil rights, civil disobedience led to the solution. I
fear that someone will have to go to jail before this ADIZ is eliminated.
We will sacrifice our youth so that some foreign country may gain their
freedom, but we will do little or nothing when our own freedoms are taken
away by our elected leaders. I have felt ever since the 9/11 disaster that
the ultimate goal of our Federal Government was to use the 9/11 event as
justification to attack and reduce the personal freedoms of our citizens.
Osama Bin Laden must be having a field day with this ADIZ. Our Federal
Government has done more to damage to our personal freedoms than his band
of merry men could achieve in a 1000 years!
Unfortunately even in the USA ; Freedom is not free, sometimes we must
give up life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to pay for that Freedom
that many of us have come to take for granted.
If you have not commented on the ADIZ, please do so.
DO NOT ARCHIVE. This email will self destruct in 5 seconds, if not, please
delete before the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, ATF, FEMA, CIA,
DIA, FAA, NTSB, Coast Guard, the Contra-Costa Dog Pound or some
Presidential Advisor leaks this to the press.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I have a few pics that were sent to me by another builder who went to Sun
n' Fun 2005.
http://www.smittysrv.com/more_stuff.asp?ID=146
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
> I would love to see this also. Please include to the list.
>
> Airplane is moved to the airport, so the tips can go on now. Couldn't get
> it out my garage door with them on.
> Tim
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Brad Oliver
> Date: 10/27/05 12:58:31
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Empennage Tips - Pictures?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
> I am trying to decide how I want to finish my fiberglass emp tips (when
> I get around to doing so). In other words, do I want to glass and
> smooth the fiberglass to aluminum transition, or do I just want to
> rivet and be done with it.
>
> Anywhooo... I seem to remember someone out there going through the same
> debate, and having an online photo album of close-up pictures they took
> at Oshkosh of the different methods of installing the tips (e.g. rivets,
> glass n' smooth, screws). I thought I saved the link in my favorites,
> but apparently not, and I can't seem to locate the info (URL) in the
> archives.
>
> I am not looking to debate the merits of the different methods, I am
> just trying to locate the pictures... if someone knows what I am
> referring to and has the link, could you please send it to me? Thanks!
>
> Brad Oliver
> RV-7
> Livermore, CA
> www.rv7factory.com
>
>
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| Subject: | ADIZ NPRM - TOP SECRET |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Amen. Just be sure to use a rental aircraft for the civil disobedience ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Bob said:
> Unfortunately even in the USA ; Freedom is not free, sometimes we
> must
> give up life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to pay for that Freedom
> that many of us have come to take for granted.
>
> If you have not commented on the ADIZ, please do so.
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE. This email will self destruct in 5 seconds, if not,
please delete before the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, ATF, FEMA,
CIA, DIA, FAA, NTSB, Coast Guard, the Contra-Costa Dog Pound or some
Presidential Advisor leaks this to the press.
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| Subject: | Re: ADIZ Requirements |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8@msn.com>
Bob,
You have to file a second ADIZ flight plan. I fly in and out of Manassas and file
Manassas direct Casanova VOR. My return flight plan is simply the reciprocal.
If I'm out flying just for the day I file both plans at the same time.
If I need to amend or file while in the air I simply Leesburg FSS.
The flight plan is the same as a VFR plan other than you need to clearly tell them
at the beginning that it is an ADIZ flight plan. The plan does not have to
start and end at an airport. Be careful because FSSs outside the DC area don't
always understand this point. I filed with Burlington, VT FSS on a trip home.
The plan was from Casanova VOR direct Manassas. They took the flight plan
just as they normally do. When I got down to Casanova, Potomac approach didn't
have my plan. They had me circle for a couple of minutes and then came back
with a xponder code and let me in. Come to find out, once I got home the
Burlington FSS had called and left a message stating they couldn't enter a plan
that started at a VOR and consequently they didn't file my plan. That little
episode just goes to show that the whole ADIZ system is one big joke. It wastes
everybody's time, creates a greater workload for the FSS and ATC and does
absolutely nothing to keep us safe from Cessna 150s.
By the way, AOPA has a very good on-line course about flying in and out of the
ADIZ. I highly recommend you view this before attempting to negotiate the airspace.
It's not really that difficult it's just an unnecessary pain and there's
little mercy if you screw up.
Rick McBride
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob<mailto:panamared3@brier.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: ADIZ Requirements
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net<mailto:panamared3@brier.net>>
I have submitted my comments to the FAA on this subject. However, for
those who know or fly in the ADIZ I was wondering how you get back in once
you leave the ADIZ.
As I understand it you must file a flight plan to fly in the ADIZ. But if
I file a flight plan to depart the ADIZ and the plan does not include my
return to the ADIZ, but in flight I decide to re-enter the ADIZ, how do I
do it?
NOTE: This is RV related because if I do this it will be in my RV.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
<snip>
Why not just 'git er done' now without doing all the finish
work and leaving that for when you paint? Just pop rivet those
suckers in place and glass them in later if you want.
<snip>
I second Walter's suggestion... except I thought it was 'getter done'.
Darrell
RV7A - 622DR Reserved
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | inside cowl prep |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
A good scrubbing with soap (Dawn dishwashing soap) and water, followed
by naptha will do your cowl wonders.
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nyman@bellsouth.net
Subject: RV-List: inside cowl prep
--> RV-List message posted by: <nyman@bellsouth.net>
I've previously read that others have covered the inside of their engine
cowl with resin and was curious if this meant epoxy resin without any
hardener mixed with it. I've also heard that MEK is good for cleaning
the cowl before applying the resin. Are there any other products that
would be acceptable?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Steve
RV7
N174AS
140 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Hi;
Would this be the item?
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=2143~subid=2518/index.html
Jim Oke
Wpg., MB
RV-6A
sjhdcl@kingston.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
>
>I'm looking for a part number for this item:
>
>I have seen several RVs with a small red metallic control cable used to
>route heat to the cockpit. It typically has a silver colored centre. Can't
>seem to find this at any vendor.
>
>Can someone supply me with a vendor and part #?
>
>Thanks
>Steve
>RV7A #2
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Depends on which side of the Mason / Dixon line your on!!
Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
I have been on this list for about year and a half while building our RV
7A, There is so much information on this forum It gave me bits of
information that helped, when I would have a problem or question during
the build process Thanks to all of you!!!!!
I wish to announce the first flight of N112B took place on October 17th
at Leesburg Fl. (LEE) The plane has the Superior XP-IO-360 engine and a
Hartzel C/S prop. We landed after 45 minutes, and no squawks.
Jim Brown
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| Subject: | Re: electric vs manual |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mts.net>
> In a plane which gains altitude if I bend my knee and descends if I
> straighten my leg (that's how I hold altitude when cruising, literally) --
> of course you're going to have some built-in sensitivity.
Cool, I've never tried that. But in calm air it's easy to make turns and
level out again by leaning left and right.
Curt
RV-6 C-GACR
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Jim,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
>I wish to announce the first flight of N112B took place on October 17th
>at Leesburg Fl. (LEE) The plane has the Superior XP-IO-360 engine and a
>Hartzel C/S prop. We landed after 45 minutes, and no squawks.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 10/27 7:11, Jim Brown wrote:
> I have been on this list for about year and a half while building our RV
> 7A, There is so much information on this forum It gave me bits of
> information that helped, when I would have a problem or question during
> the build process Thanks to all of you!!!!!
>
> I wish to announce the first flight of N112B took place on October 17th
> at Leesburg Fl. (LEE) The plane has the Superior XP-IO-360 engine and a
> Hartzel C/S prop. We landed after 45 minutes, and no squawks.
Way to go Jim! Where's the pics?
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 10/27 2:41, Darrell Reiley wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> Why not just 'git er done' now without doing all the finish
> work and leaving that for when you paint? Just pop rivet those
> suckers in place and glass them in later if you want.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> I second Walter's suggestion... except I thought it was 'getter done'.
I've got eh harelip :)
do not archive
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Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Congratulations!
Jeff Point
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>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I got my comments in, but they weren't nearly as eloquent as
yours! Good job!
Mickey
Ed Holyoke wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> The comment period for the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, which would
> make the Washington, DC ADIZ permanent, ends on Tuesday. Stand up for
> your right to fly and submit a comment while there's still time. Links
> you can use may be found here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/499-full.html
>
> The docket # is 17005.
>
> Sorry for the non-building post, but I feel strongly that we must not
> allow the TSA to bulldoze the FAA into seizing and restricting more and
> more airspace. If we allow this to pass unchallenged, the precedent will
> be set for more ADIZs which will be imposed at the slightest provocation
> or perceived threat to "national security".
>
> Below is the text of the comment which I submitted. Feel free to
> paraphrase and use some of the ideas for your own comments. I'm sure
> that an inventive group such as this can come up with more ideas and
> angles to work. Please submit a comment of your own.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
> Do not archive
>
>
> The proposal to make the airspace restrictions around the Washington, DC
> area permanent is a gross overreach, unnecessary, and will be next to
> useless in promoting national security.
>
> No general aviation aircraft has ever been used for a terrorist act in
> this country, yet GA has born the brunt of the airspace restrictions
> handed down by the Dept. of Homeland Security through the FAA. It is
> hard to believe the hysteria that is being promoted in the name of
> security. When a 1500 pound gross weight Cessna 150 cruising at 100
> miles per hour causes Congress and the White House to evacuate and run
> for cover, there's something wrong with the basic process of threat
> assessment.
>
> Denying access (or making it extremely difficult and expensive) to the
> seat of our supposed freedoms and all the surrounding area to citizens
> who fly is a tacit surrender to terrorism. Terrorists set out to change
> our way of life, and if we give up our freedom to fly in the name of
> security, they have succeeded in part. Worse is that this freedom is
> being taken for no good reason. Having a permanent 2000 square mile no
> fly zone for small planes not only wouldn't prevent an act of terrorism,
> it's only purpose is to lull the public into believing that something is
> being done. This ADIZ is no more than a piece of regulatory propaganda.
>
> The economic impact of these restrictions has already been enormous.
> People who make their living from aviation and related activities have
> been hard hit and need a break, not another twist of the knife.
>
>
> The consequences of this draconian seizure of airspace extend far past
> the boundaries of the ADIZ. Just recently Arizona pilot Dale Mooneyham
> was falsely accused of violating the airspace in Washington, DC on a day
> when he was, in fact, flying in Arizona. This was because an FAA
> employee accidentally transposed an N number. The proposed rule would
> have made him a criminal with the onus on him to prove his innocence. It
> was only by a stroke of luck that he was able to document where he was
> that day and it was only through a concerted effort on his part and by
> AOPA and others that he was able to clear his name.
>
> We have a problem with useless airspace restrictions all over the
> country. When did Disneyland become a precious national resource to be
> protected from airborne assault? Yet it and Disneyworld have been
> "protected" by TFRs since '01. Mayor Daley of Chicago cited national
> security when he illegally bulldozed Miegs Field. He has demanded F-16
> air cover for his city saying it's just as necessary there as in
> Washington. He may have a point - it's not necessary either place. Can't
> anybody see how nuts all this is?
>
> There seems to be a lot of political pressure on to do something about
> incursions into the area around Washington, such as large fines,
> possible jail sentences and revocation of pilots' licenses, when the
> real problem is that the area is much larger than necessary. Instead of
> making the area permanent, we should be reducing it's size and
> complexity and looking at eliminating it entirely in the near future.
>
> Give us back our airspace.
>
> Ed Holyoke
> Private Pilot
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Good Job! Let us know when you have the numbers and some pics. Or even a video...
Darrell
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Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown
I have been on this list for about year and a half while building our RV
7A, There is so much information on this forum It gave me bits of
information that helped, when I would have a problem or question during
the build process Thanks to all of you!!!!!
I wish to announce the first flight of N112B took place on October 17th
at Leesburg Fl. (LEE) The plane has the Superior XP-IO-360 engine and a
Hartzel C/S prop. We landed after 45 minutes, and no squawks.
Jim Brown
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | ALODINE 1132 TOUCH-N-PREP on wing Spars? |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Has anyone used the alodine touch-n-prep for the countersunk holes on the
wing spar? According to Boeing:
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/doingbiz/environmental/TechNotes/TechNote
s2003-02.pdf
and the manufacturer:
http://www.loctiteaero.com/Images/Datasheet_PDF/hst_tnpalodine1132.pdf
This is a simple and clean way to provide corrosion protection. Seems like a
lot less trouble than spot priming 4 gzillion little countersunk holes.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Wings
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: ALODINE 1132 TOUCH-N-PREP on wing Spars? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
That is exactly what I did on my spar.
Paul Trotter
RV-8 82080 Fuselage Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: ALODINE 1132 TOUCH-N-PREP on wing Spars?
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Has anyone used the alodine touch-n-prep for the countersunk holes on the
> wing spar? According to Boeing:
>
> http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/doingbiz/environmental/TechNotes/TechNote
> s2003-02.pdf
>
> and the manufacturer:
>
> http://www.loctiteaero.com/Images/Datasheet_PDF/hst_tnpalodine1132.pdf
>
> This is a simple and clean way to provide corrosion protection. Seems
> like a
> lot less trouble than spot priming 4 gzillion little countersunk holes.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Wings
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
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