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1. 09:54 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/05 (LClark6372@aol.com)
2. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/05 (Todd Bartrim)
3. 10:43 AM - Ignitions for sale (Fly n Low)
4. 02:16 PM - Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (gerns25@netscape.net)
5. 02:35 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Dave Saylor)
6. 02:39 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Bruce Gray)
7. 02:53 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Sportypilot)
8. 03:25 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Greg Young)
9. 04:39 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Greg Young)
10. 05:35 PM - Texas Formation Clinic (sturdy@att.net)
11. 05:50 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Mike Robertson)
12. 05:54 PM - RV Tool Kit (b.e.isham)
13. 07:28 PM - Re: RV Tool Kit (randall)
14. 07:40 PM - RVers in Germany? (randall)
15. 07:52 PM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Dick DeCramer)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: LClark6372@aol.com
LOOKING FOR RV8 (TW) NEARING FINAL ASSEMBLY......LCLARK6372@AOL.COM
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: LClark6372@aol.com
LOOKING FOR RV8 (TW) NEARING FINAL ASSEMBLY......LCLARK6372@AOL.COM
Call Vans. They call'em "quick builds". :-)
do not archive
Todd Bartrim (sorry guys, but I just couldn't resist)
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
work and determination to the things they do."
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| Subject: | Ignitions for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fly n Low" <flynlow@usaviator.net>
Thought I would let you all know that I am about to list two Ignition
systems on Ebay.
First is an electronic Ignition by Electroair.
Second is a pair of Bendix Mags with all the associated "Shower of Sparks"
parts.
Both systems are from a Lycoming 0-360.
If anyone has any serious interest prior to going on ebay, please directly
email me at flynlow@usaviator.net
Thanks for your interest.
Bud Silvers
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
I looked through the archives and found some info on the subject but it refered
to complete kits (the entire airframe) not just a sub kit. I am considering
purchasing a previously owned RV7 Empenage kit (the spar has been started) and
am curious about the repairmans certificate. I read the article from Vans on
the vansairforce website and would like to know what, if anything, I need to
do to be eligible for the repairmans certificate when I complete the airplane.
I plan on buying new subkits from here on out as I want to do the construction
(unless other pre-owned come up that haven't been started or have minimal work
done). Can anyone tell me the rules are? Can I still get the repairmans
certificate even though I am not the original purchaser of this empenage kit?
Thanks guys!
Darin Hawkes
N619PB (res)
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
Darin,
You will be able be named as the repairman as long as you build 51% of the
kit. If you complete the rest of the kit yourself, even a quickbuild, you
won't jeopardize your 51% status by purchasing a finished (or less)
empennage. The key is that you be able to sign the affidavit affirming your
"major portion" of the construction.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
831-722-9141
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Rules are simple. You have to sign a statement that you built the airplane
and convince the DAR that you really did.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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gerns25@netscape.net
Subject: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
--> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
I looked through the archives and found some info on the subject but it
refered to complete kits (the entire airframe) not just a sub kit. I am
considering purchasing a previously owned RV7 Empenage kit (the spar has
been started) and am curious about the repairmans certificate. I read the
article from Vans on the vansairforce website and would like to know what,
if anything, I need to do to be eligible for the repairmans certificate when
I complete the airplane. I plan on buying new subkits from here on out as I
want to do the construction (unless other pre-owned come up that haven't
been started or have minimal work done). Can anyone tell me the rules are?
Can I still get the repairmans certificate even though I am not the original
purchaser of this empenage kit? Thanks guys!
Darin Hawkes
N619PB (res)
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
yes , I think you can buy a completed emp and still get it..
Danny..
----- Original Message -----
From: <gerns25@netscape.net>
Subject: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
> --> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
>
> I looked through the archives and found some info on the subject but it
> refered to complete kits (the entire airframe) not just a sub kit. I am
> considering purchasing a previously owned RV7 Empenage kit (the spar has
> been started) and am curious about the repairmans certificate. I read the
> article from Vans on the vansairforce website and would like to know what,
> if anything, I need to do to be eligible for the repairmans certificate
> when I complete the airplane. I plan on buying new subkits from here on
> out as I want to do the construction (unless other pre-owned come up that
> haven't been started or have minimal work done). Can anyone tell me the
> rules are? Can I still get the repairmans certificate even though I am
> not the original purchaser of this empenage kit? Thanks guys!
>
> Darin Hawkes
> N619PB (res)
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
No, don't confuse the requirements for the Repairman Certificate with
the requirements for the Airworthiness Certificate. The 51% rule applies
only to the Airworthiness Certificate and is a requirement to certify
the airplane in the Experimental category. It doesn't
require that any one person does the 51% - only that 51% be "amateur"
built. If the aircraft doesn't meet the 51% rule it would have to get
certified (or not at all) under one of the other Experimental categories
such as Exhibition, R&D, Market Survey, Crew Training, etc. which all
have more onerous operating limitations.
The Repairman Certificate requires convincing the FSDO inspector (last I
heard DAR's could not issue it) that you participated in the building of
the airccraft "enough" to maintain it. One member of a group build can
get it so there obviously is no special amount of participation
required. Locally, it seems the inspector wants to see enough logs and
pictures so he can BS for half a day and not do other work. YMMV
Regards,
Greg Young
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>
> Darin,
>
> You will be able be named as the repairman as long as you
> build 51% of the kit. If you complete the rest of the kit
> yourself, even a quickbuild, you won't jeopardize your 51%
> status by purchasing a finished (or less) empennage. The key
> is that you be able to sign the affidavit affirming your
> "major portion" of the construction.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 831-722-9141
>
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Oops, I used angle brackets that got dropped as an HTML tag. That should
have said...
> Certificate. The 51% rule applies only to the Airworthiness
> Certificate and is a requirement to certify the airplane in
> the Experimental "Amateur-Built" category. It doesn't require that any
one
>
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| Subject: | Texas Formation Clinic |
1.53 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
Gainesville TX Formation Clinic
There was sufficient interest shown from the last advertisement for a Texas Formation
Clinic that we will schedule it for the weekend before Thanksgiving, 18-20
Nov, at Gainesville TX (GLE), 45 Northwest of Dallas as the host site. It
has everything we need for a successful clinic.
We find about 1/3 low, 1/3 medium, 1/3 high experienced formation pilots is a good
mix for a good formation clinic.
We have additional room available for more participants. If you have good stick
and rudder skills and would plan on attending the clinic, given good weather,
please email me at sturdy-at-att-dot-net by 2 Nov. Include Name, City/State,
Aircraft, Tail#, Formation experience level, email address, telephone#.
Stu McCurdy (Falcon)
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Gainesville TX Formation Clinic
There was sufficient interest shown from the last advertisement for a Texas Formation
Clinicthat we will schedule it for the weekend before Thanksgiving, 18-20
Nov,at Gainesville TX (GLE), 45 Northwest of Dallas as the host site. It has
everything we need for a successful clinic.
We find about 1/3 low, 1/3 medium, 1/3 high experienced formation pilots is a good
mix for a good formation clinic.
We have additional room available for more participants. If you have good stick
and rudder skills and would plan on attending the clinic, given good weather,
please email me at sturdy-at-att-dot-net by 2 Nov. Include Name, City/State,
Aircraft, Tail#, Formation experience level, email address, telephone#.
Stu McCurdy (Falcon)
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Darin,
You should have no problem. Just keep a builder's log as you go from here.
There are even people that get semi-finished kits much further along than
the empenage and they qualify for their Repairman's certificate.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
>From: gerns25@netscape.net
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:15:13 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
>
>I looked through the archives and found some info on the subject but it
>refered to complete kits (the entire airframe) not just a sub kit. I am
>considering purchasing a previously owned RV7 Empenage kit (the spar has
>been started) and am curious about the repairmans certificate. I read the
>article from Vans on the vansairforce website and would like to know what,
>if anything, I need to do to be eligible for the repairmans certificate
>when I complete the airplane. I plan on buying new subkits from here on
>out as I want to do the construction (unless other pre-owned come up that
>haven't been started or have minimal work done). Can anyone tell me the
>rules are? Can I still get the repairmans certificate even though I am not
>the original purchaser of this empenage kit? Thanks guys!
>
>Darin Hawkes
>N619PB (res)
>
>Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do!
>Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select
>delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool
>Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and
>more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "b.e.isham" <b.e.isham@cox.net>
For those who may have missed the September special, PlaneTools.com now has
the DRDT-2 Dimpler as a FREE upgrade on the RV tool kit. This is a great
tool that reflects the quality of the RV tool kit. In addition to the sheet
metal tool kit, mechanic tools are being added. The website address is
HYPERLINK "http://www.planetools.com"http://www.planetools.com
<http://www.planetools.com> Shane Isham
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--> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
Anyone living in southern Germany interested in a visit from a fellow RVer?
My wife and I are heading over on Tuesday Nov. 1. Email offline,
rv6n6r@comcast.net.
Randall Henderson
RV6 ~700 hrs
Portland, OR
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| Subject: | RVers in Germany? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
(Apologies -- sending again cause I botched the subject line on the first
one....)
> Anyone living in southern Germany interested in a visit from a fellow
RVer?
> My wife and I are heading over on Tuesday Nov. 1. Email offline,
> rv6n6r@comcast.net.
>
> Randall Henderson
> RV6 ~700 hrs
> Portland, OR
do not archive
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
Darin,
I did exactly what you are doing. Acquired an RV6 tail kit with only the
spar completed, built the complete airplane from Van's standard kits and
have the Repairman's Certificate. I had a detailed construction logbook, a
pretty complete photo album, all receipts, my newly obtained airworthiness
certificate, registration, and my Letter of Operating Limitations and a
completed application for the Repairman Certificate all for the FSDO's
examination. I had all the paperwork from the aircraft along but the DAR
will tell you what you need when you apply to certify your airplane. The
FAA FSDO person only casually looked at the picture album but did look for
pictures with me in them along with the project, checked the paperwork the
DAR had given me (airworthiness, registration, limitations, etc.) and my
pilots license. The certification papers were copied as well as my pilot's
license. He then gave me a temporary Repairman Certificate on the spot
with the actual certificate arriving about a month later. It never
occurred to me to mentioned that I had acquired a partially started kit and
I don't believe it would make a difference if I would have. The whole
thing took no more than 20 minutes at most.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD
95 hours
Minnesota
> [Original Message]
> From: <gerns25@netscape.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/30/2005 4:36:29 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
>
> I looked through the archives and found some info on the subject but it
refered to complete kits (the entire airframe) not just a sub kit. I am
considering purchasing a previously owned RV7 Empenage kit (the spar has
been started) and am curious about the repairmans certificate. I read the
article from Vans on the vansairforce website and would like to know what,
if anything, I need to do to be eligible for the repairmans certificate
when I complete the airplane. I plan on buying new subkits from here on
out as I want to do the construction (unless other pre-owned come up that
haven't been started or have minimal work done). Can anyone tell me the
rules are? Can I still get the repairmans certificate even though I am not
the original purchaser of this empenage kit? Thanks guys!
>
> Darin Hawkes
> N619PB (res)
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