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1. 08:24 AM - Price Decrease -Lycoming Kit Engines (Rhonda Bewley)
2. 09:05 AM - Re: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. (Dave Saylor)
3. 10:46 AM - Installing the outboard bottom skin. (Mike Draper)
4. 12:19 PM - Did the first kit owner request his Repairmans Cert? (Marty Helller)
5. 02:10 PM - Re: Installing the outboard bottom skin. (Glaeser, Dennis A)
6. 03:00 PM - Re: RVers in Germany? (Ralph E. Capen)
7. 06:32 PM - Re: Price Decrease -Lycoming Kit Engines (Chuck)
8. 06:49 PM - RV-7A in the daytona area (Gordon Arbeitman)
9. 07:04 PM - Re: RV-7A in the daytona area (linn walters)
10. 08:37 PM - Re: RV-7A in the daytona area (Ron Lee)
11. 10:13 PM - Re: Empennage Tips - Pictures? (Bradley Oliver)
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| Subject: | Price Decrease -Lycoming Kit Engines |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Barrett Precision Engines is proud to announce a price decrease in the
following experimental kit engines for the homebuilder, effective
11/01/05.
O-320-D1A - Variable Pitch
O-320-D2A - Fixed Pitch
O-360-A1A - Variable Pitch
O-360-A4M - Fixed Pitch
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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| Subject: | Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
Greg, you're right, the 51% rule is not the driver for the repairman's
certificate. In my experience, the FAA uses the knowledge possessed by the
builder to judge his ability to act as the repairman. Building 51% is
usually a slam dunk in the knowledge department, no questions asked. That's
why I suggested that if Darin builds 51%, he should be assured of getting
the repairman's certificate. I said he had to build 51% in order to get it,
which is not quite right, as you pointed out.
Dave Saylor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Subject: RE: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
No, don't confuse the requirements for the Repairman Certificate with
the requirements for the Airworthiness Certificate. The 51% rule applies
only to the Airworthiness Certificate and is a requirement to certify
the airplane in the Experimental category. It doesn't
require that any one person does the 51% - only that 51% be "amateur"
built. If the aircraft doesn't meet the 51% rule it would have to get
certified (or not at all) under one of the other Experimental categories
such as Exhibition, R&D, Market Survey, Crew Training, etc. which all
have more onerous operating limitations.
The Repairman Certificate requires convincing the FSDO inspector (last I
heard DAR's could not issue it) that you participated in the building of
the airccraft "enough" to maintain it. One member of a group build can
get it so there obviously is no special amount of participation
required. Locally, it seems the inspector wants to see enough logs and
pictures so he can BS for half a day and not do other work. YMMV
Regards,
Greg Young
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>
> Darin,
>
> You will be able be named as the repairman as long as you
> build 51% of the kit. If you complete the rest of the kit
> yourself, even a quickbuild, you won't jeopardize your 51%
> status by purchasing a finished (or less) empennage. The key
> is that you be able to sign the affidavit affirming your
> "major portion" of the construction.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 831-722-9141
>
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| Subject: | Installing the outboard bottom skin. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper <rv8tor@gmail.com>
Listers:
Looking for some suggestions/clarifications on the best way to install
the outboard bottom skins on my RV-8 QB project.
The manual states...
...."Once the inboard skin is riveted, the outboard is installed the
same way, beginning on the inboard rib and working toward the tip.
Leave the inboard line of rivets that joins the two skins only (no
rib) until last."
I get the point of working the rivets in an L pattern and starting on
the inboard and working towards the tip. However, how does one leave
the inboard line of rivets that joins the two skins until last? Can
you really save that till last if you start on the inboard side and
work towards the tip of the wing? I am not planning on using pop
rivets on this skin.
Or do they really mean to start on the outboard side of the wing and
move inboard?
Also, would appreciate any tips or suggestions on how this could be
accomplished solo.
Thanks in advance.
-Mike Draper
RV-8 QB (finish)
N468RV
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| Subject: | Did the first kit owner request his Repairmans Cert? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty Helller" <marty_away@hotmail.com>
One question to ask when buying a pre-owned kit is if the partially built
aircraft was registered. If so, the previous builder might have applied for
his repairman certificate (even though it wasn't an aircraft yet).
If the previous owner had put in for a repairman's certificate, then he will
have to get a notorized form to remove his name from the aircraft serial
number, before they allow you to register as the certified builder to get
your repairman's certificate (even if the tail number had changed).
It may not be an issue for you, but it was for me..... and this will save
you some registration hassles.
The former owner was real helpful in getting this cleared up, despite having
to get stuff notarized, twice.
Do Not Archieve
Marty Heller
RV-7 (Almost ready to tip the canoe)
>From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:03:32 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
>
>Greg, you're right, the 51% rule is not the driver for the repairman's
>certificate. In my experience, the FAA uses the knowledge possessed by the
>builder to judge his ability to act as the repairman. Building 51% is
>usually a slam dunk in the knowledge department, no questions asked.
>That's
>why I suggested that if Darin builds 51%, he should be assured of getting
>the repairman's certificate. I said he had to build 51% in order to get
>it,
>which is not quite right, as you pointed out.
>
>Dave Saylor
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Pre-owned kits and Repairmans Cert.
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>No, don't confuse the requirements for the Repairman Certificate with
>the requirements for the Airworthiness Certificate. The 51% rule applies
>only to the Airworthiness Certificate and is a requirement to certify
>the airplane in the Experimental category. It doesn't
>require that any one person does the 51% - only that 51% be "amateur"
>built. If the aircraft doesn't meet the 51% rule it would have to get
>certified (or not at all) under one of the other Experimental categories
>such as Exhibition, R&D, Market Survey, Crew Training, etc. which all
>have more onerous operating limitations.
>
>The Repairman Certificate requires convincing the FSDO inspector (last I
>heard DAR's could not issue it) that you participated in the building of
>the airccraft "enough" to maintain it. One member of a group build can
>get it so there obviously is no special amount of participation
>required. Locally, it seems the inspector wants to see enough logs and
>pictures so he can BS for half a day and not do other work. YMMV
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young
>RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
>Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@aircraftersllc.com>
> >
> > Darin,
> >
> > You will be able be named as the repairman as long as you
> > build 51% of the kit. If you complete the rest of the kit
> > yourself, even a quickbuild, you won't jeopardize your 51%
> > status by purchasing a finished (or less) empennage. The key
> > is that you be able to sign the affidavit affirming your
> > "major portion" of the construction.
> >
> > Dave Saylor
> > AirCrafters LLC
> > 831-722-9141
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Installing the outboard bottom skin. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
--------------------
I get the point of working the rivets in an L pattern and starting on
the inboard and working towards the tip. However, how does one leave the
inboard line of rivets that joins the two skins until last? Can you
really save that till last if you start on the inboard side and work
towards the tip of the wing? I am not planning on using pop rivets on
this skin. Or do they really mean to start on the outboard side of the
wing and move inboard? Also, would appreciate any tips or suggestions on
how this could be accomplished solo. Thanks in advance.
-Mike Draper
--------------------
Mike,
I riveted my first wing lower skin solo, and will be doing the second
one hopefully this weekend.
Near the trailing edge, you have to do the rivets in the overlap area
the same way you do the rest. I did all the rivets (including the
overlap) that required the skin to be held back for access at the same
time. Once I determined that I had sufficient/easy access through the
access panels and lightening holes (more than halfway up), I left those
until later.
I did mine mostly with the wing on the ground (on a piece of carpet) and
layed across the LE to reach in with the bucking bar. I used a towel
around the free edge to keep me from decapitating myself. The toughest
part for me was the trailing edge between the inboard (closely spaced)
ribs, because my fat arms don't fit between the ribs!
I had helped my son do his lower wing skins last year, and we had more
difficulty doing it with 2 of us! He had his wing on a table, and I
think that is a lot tougher than doing it on the ground.
One item of interest. As I was doing the skin, I layed it down on the
frame once in a while to see how it fit. Early on, it looked like I was
going to have a big gap between the LE skins and the bottom skin, and I
was concerned. However as I continued it lined up better and better. I
think working from TE to LE helps here. The gap on my first wing is
just fine - less than 1/32".
Good luck!
Dennis Glaeser
7A Wings (plan to finish the second tank tonight - once the
trick-or-treaters are gone)
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| Subject: | Re: RVers in Germany? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
check out www.rv-4.de
Don't know where he's located - but I have been working with him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: RVers in Germany?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
>
> (Apologies -- sending again cause I botched the subject line on the first
> one....)
>
>> Anyone living in southern Germany interested in a visit from a fellow
> RVer?
>> My wife and I are heading over on Tuesday Nov. 1. Email offline,
>> rv6n6r@comcast.net.
>>
>> Randall Henderson
>> RV6 ~700 hrs
>> Portland, OR
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Price Decrease -Lycoming Kit Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Hi Rhonda,
What's the price on your O-320 D2A including s&h to 93210 (Coalinga, Cal.) ?
Thanks,
Chuck
Rhonda Bewley <Rhonda@bpaengines.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley"
Barrett Precision Engines is proud to announce a price decrease in the
following experimental kit engines for the homebuilder, effective
11/01/05.
O-320-D1A - Variable Pitch
O-320-D2A - Fixed Pitch
O-360-A1A - Variable Pitch
O-360-A4M - Fixed Pitch
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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| Subject: | RV-7A in the daytona area |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23@earthlink.net>
Hi;
I'm looking for an RV-7 owner in the Daytona Beach area who might be
willing to give me a ride (in exchange for lunch ?). I'm currently flying
a Grumman Tiger and have started thinking about moving away from the
"certified" world.
I'd also appreciate thoughts from anyone who has experience with both
airplanes. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7A in the daytona area |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Hi Gordon!
I'm curious why you'd go from a 4-place to a 2 place. I'm going in the
other direction ..... giving up my AA-1B for an RV-10. And allmost all
of my flying is solo! But I want a good 4 seater to travel in, and the
-10 has some pretty impressive numbers. Compare the numbers with the
Tiger and see where the interest goes!!!
Linn .... still putting up the workshop.
do not archive
Gordon Arbeitman wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gordon Arbeitman <gordona23@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi;
>
> I'm looking for an RV-7 owner in the Daytona Beach area who might be
>willing to give me a ride (in exchange for lunch ?). I'm currently flying
>a Grumman Tiger and have started thinking about moving away from the
>"certified" world.
>
> I'd also appreciate thoughts from anyone who has experience with both
>airplanes. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
--
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7A in the daytona area |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Hi Gordon!
>I'm curious why you'd go from a 4-place to a 2 place. I'm going in the
>other direction ..... giving up my AA-1B for an RV-10.
Seems that he has seen the light of an RV. That should be good enough.
No doubt an RV-10 is great for many people but I will stay with my -6A.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Empennage Tips - Pictures? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Just a follow-up to my prior post...
In response to my post, Darwin Barrie was kind enough to email me some
pictures of his empennage fiberglass work (which looks amazing). He asked
me to share them with the group, and since several of you emailed me saying
you were also interested in pictures, I posted them online.
Darwin's work can be seen here... http://www.rv7factory.com/darwin.html
Cheers,
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Oliver
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Tips - Pictures?
--> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
I am trying to decide how I want to finish my fiberglass emp tips (when
I get around to doing so). In other words, do I want to glass and
smooth the fiberglass to aluminum transition, or do I just want to
rivet and be done with it.
Anywhooo... I seem to remember someone out there going through the same
debate, and having an online photo album of close-up pictures they took
at Oshkosh of the different methods of installing the tips (e.g. rivets,
glass n' smooth, screws). I thought I saved the link in my favorites,
but apparently not, and I can't seem to locate the info (URL) in the
archives.
I am not looking to debate the merits of the different methods, I am
just trying to locate the pictures... if someone knows what I am
referring to and has the link, could you please send it to me? Thanks!
Brad Oliver
RV-7
Livermore, CA
www.rv7factory.com
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