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1. 12:12 AM - LOC... (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Question about torquing bolts (Bob Collins)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: First Engine Run (Richard Seiders)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: LOC... (Ken Dominy)
5. 07:45 AM - Re: Major/minor (RVer273sb@AOL.COM)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: First Engine Run (Jim)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: First Engine Run (David Burton)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: First Engine Run (Mickey Coggins)
9. 11:43 AM - wanted; flying RV-4 (Larry E. James)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: wanted; flying RV-4 (Ron Lee)
11. 01:57 PM - Re: wanted; flying RV-4 (Weasel)
12. 02:44 PM - Re: wanted; flying RV-4 (BPA)
13. 02:53 PM - Weasel flying RV-4 (Ed Anderson)
14. 03:14 PM - Re: First Engine Run (Richard Tasker)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Send picture (Mark Grieve)
16. 06:45 PM - any body needing spare cylinders ?? (KIMSEYCO@aol.com)
17. 07:53 PM - Re: Major/minor (Mike Robertson)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hi Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone
that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the
years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable
as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical
magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's
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| Subject: | Re: Question about torquing bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
AC43-13 says to "run the nut down to near contact with the wqsher or bearing
surface and check the friction drag torque required to turn the nut." Does
this mean you check the drag torque once it's "near contact."? Or does it
mean to check it w
Of course the way I get around all this is just tighten to near the high
end. The low end becomes my "fudge factor."
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
The guy at Van's knows what he is talking about. Run it w/o wings at your
peril.
Dick RV6A comp. 2002
At 01:19 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Speaking of first engine run... One of Van's guys told me that it might be
>unwise to run the enigne without wings attached. Allegedly can cause
>airframe
>damage. Archives didn't help, so any and all experiences/opinions/advice
>more
>than welcome. My -6a is still in the garage, but engine is ready, so would
>kind of like to run her out to the driveway and crank it up...
>
>Jerry Cochran
>Wilsonville, OR
>
><<is approaching its first engine run. I need
>to know what auto plugs are recommended for use with a Jeff Rose Electronic
>Ignition. My EI came with wiring for auto spark plugs, but Jeff Rose no
>longer recommends using auto plugs. Rather than change out the wires, I'd
>like to try the auto plugs.>>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Dominy" <abqmooney@excite.com>
Please unsubscribe me from the RV list.--- On Thu 11/10, Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com
wrote:
From: Matt Dralle [mailto: dralle@matronics.com]To: dralle@matronics.comDate: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:10:00 -0800Subject: RV-List: LOC...-- RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Hi Listers,Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC? Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web
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--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
Consider it a major change as it modifies the aircraft
control system. If you have the newest OPS LIM all you
have to do is notify the fisdo and fly off the 10 hrs.
Keeps your insurance in effect also.
Stewart RV4
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I built a Rocket and waited til the wings were on to run it ala Van's
recommendation. However, my neighbor built a Rocket and ran his engine
without wings numerous times with no ill effects (over 200 hrs to date). I
wouldn't do it but it's been done. My feeling is: what's the hurry - you
can't fly it til the wings are on anyway and you will have to spend the same
amount of time regardless of which way you go.
jim
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Hi Jerry,
On start-up and shut-down the engine can shake the fuse hard enough to cause
deformation. I've seen pictures of bent metal. That said, many people have
run their engines in RVs with the wings off and gotten away with it...
I would personally be hesitant to do it for a couple of reasons. The first
is the concern about the possibility of doing damage to the fuse. The
second is that I assume your engine is preserved for long term storage?
Maybe not since you say it's "ready". I would wait until just about being
ready to fly to take it out of storage. Who knows what might delay your
first flight. It would be better for the engine if it was not run and then
let sit. If you are determined to run it with the wings off you might
consider making up a couple of 2X6 stub spars as long as your space will
permit and support them to dampen the shaking or twisting of the fuse.
Oh, really tie the tail to something substantial, and make sure that the
tail can not lift! It would be a sad sight to see the prop on a zero time
engine smack the ground, something that has happened more then once. There
is a famous case of somebody rushing to get done right before Oshkosh who
trashed a new constant speed prop and did substantial damage to their new
engine when the tail came up and the prop hit the runway. They didn't have
insurance to cover that would cover it either.
Good luck!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: First Engine Run
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Speaking of first engine run... One of Van's guys told me that it might
be
> unwise to run the enigne without wings attached. Allegedly can cause
airframe
> damage. Archives didn't help, so any and all experiences/opinions/advice
more
> than welcome. My -6a is still in the garage, but engine is ready, so would
> kind of like to run her out to the driveway and crank it up...
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
> <<is approaching its first engine run. I need
> to know what auto plugs are recommended for use with a Jeff Rose
Electronic
> Ignition. My EI came with wiring for auto spark plugs, but Jeff Rose no
> longer recommends using auto plugs. Rather than change out the wires, I'd
> like to try the auto plugs.>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ... That said, many people have
> run their engines in RVs with the wings off and gotten away with it...
> ...
A while back a link was posted showing someone doing taxi testing
without the wings. I thought it was pretty crazy.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | wanted; flying RV-4 |
SpamAssassin (score=-2.571, required 3.7, autolearn=not spam,
AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
Does anyone have any leads on a flying RV-4 for sale ??
My priority list is this:
1) highest quality
2) simple
O-320 with fixed-pitch and VFR; will consider
bigger/more complex O-360, C/S, IFR
3) reasonably priced
4) tasteful paint
My wife wants to fly now and she's ready for a -4; and
this would bring me current for the Rocket when it's
time (shooting for 2006). Please email me off list or
feel free to call me at my office PST.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
Larry E. James; Bellevue, WA HR2
office:
Seattle, WA
206-633-3111
206-633-3114 fax
larry@ncproto.com
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| Subject: | Re: wanted; flying RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>My wife wants to fly now and she's ready for a -4; and
>this would bring me current for the Rocket when it's
>time (shooting for 2006). Please email me off list or
>feel free to call me at my office PST.
You have a wife who flies? I want one of those.
Ron Lee
Do not archive (unless single women pilots read these)
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| Subject: | Re: wanted; flying RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Weasel" <smoothweasel@juno.com>
hey thats what we need! RV MATCH.COM
Weasel
-4(flying great)
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>You have a wife who flies? I want one of those.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
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| Subject: | wanted; flying RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
My ex had her medical taken away, so we had to sell her broomstick :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weasel
Subject: Re: RV-List: wanted; flying RV-4
--> RV-List message posted by: "Weasel" <smoothweasel@juno.com>
hey thats what we need! RV MATCH.COM
Weasel
-4(flying great)
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>You have a wife who flies? I want one of those.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
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| Subject: | Weasel flying RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hey, Weasel,
Saw photo of you and your RV4 in the completions section. Good looking
bird. Sorry, didn't get to see you when I was at Lower Solbovia in June.
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Weasel" <smoothweasel@juno.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: wanted; flying RV-4
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Weasel" <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>
> hey thats what we need! RV MATCH.COM
>
> Weasel
> -4(flying great)
> Do not archive
>
> >You have a wife who flies? I want one of those.
> >
> >Ron Lee
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I guess they wanted to make sure they wouldn't get airborne under any
circumstances!!!
Dick Tasker
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Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
>
>
>>... That said, many people have
>>run their engines in RVs with the wings off and gotten away with it...
>>...
>>
>>
>
>A while back a link was posted showing someone doing taxi testing
>without the wings. I thought it was pretty crazy.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Send picture |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Looking for a woman who flies and owns an airplane. Send picture of
airplane.
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Weasel wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Weasel" <smoothweasel@juno.com>
>
>hey thats what we need! RV MATCH.COM
>
>Weasel
>-4(flying great)
>Do not archive
>
> >You have a wife who flies? I want one of those.
> >
> >Ron Lee
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | any body needing spare cylinders ?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: KIMSEYCO@aol.com
i have 2 angle valve cylinders with new valve seats and new valve guides,
chrome for sale to who ever needs them. i think they call them stud cyls without
pistons and no valves other wise overhauled. if you need the part numbers i
will look them up and let you know or send some good digital pics. If you are
not satisified with them for any reason send them back and i will send your
money back,you pay shipping both ways . price $300 each certified check prefered
or money order... first come first served-- good deal
thomas kimsey near Macon Ga 478-922-1428 kimseyco@aol.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
FAR 43 App A defines what a major alteration is. In this case the
installation of a auto pilot is a major because it is connected to the
flight controls. How to go about it is covered by the Operating Limitations
issued to the airpalne at the time of certification. Follow those
instructions and you won't go wrong.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
>From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Major/minor
>Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:24:41 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>
>Question for the list:
>
>Is installing a wing leveler/autopilot a "major alteration" per section
>21.93? The verbiage doesn't give any examples of what minor or major
>changes might be.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>
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