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1. 05:20 AM - Re: OT: AOPA flight planner?? (Jerry Calvert)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode (Alex Peterson)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode (Larry Pardue)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: GPS problems (Ron Lee)
5. 06:27 AM - Manual Fuel Level Measurement (DAVID REEL)
6. 06:47 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode (Chuck Jensen)
7. 06:55 AM - Cool Dynon Test (DAVID REEL)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (Bill Schlatterer)
9. 07:04 AM - Re: Re:Cowl flap (J. R. Dial)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: OT: AOPA flight planner?? (James Clark)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (Phil)
12. 07:37 AM - Re: Re:Cowl flap (Mannan J. Thomason)
13. 07:49 AM - GPS Problems (Bud Newhall)
14. 08:40 AM - Re: GPS Problems (Jerry Springer)
15. 08:43 AM - Re: stainless steel hole cutter (Dave Nellis)
16. 08:47 AM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kevin Horton)
17. 09:31 AM - Re: stainless steel hole cutter (Mickey Coggins)
18. 10:38 AM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (Charlie England)
19. 12:21 PM - Re: Cowl Flap ()
20. 12:26 PM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (Dick DeCramer)
21. 12:36 PM - Re:stainless steel hole cutter (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
22. 02:36 PM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (Mickey Coggins)
23. 05:11 PM - Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement (linn walters)
24. 07:12 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Jeff Dowling)
25. 08:26 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Dave Bristol)
26. 08:47 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Mannan J. Thomason)
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| Subject: | Re: OT: AOPA flight planner?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
There was a time when I entered MS71 and it wouldn't chart the route because
MS71 wasn't in the database. There have been some updates and now it works.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
RV6 N296JC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: AOPA flight planner??
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hmmmm, indeed. Zooming the map shown at startup will show MS71 but if I
> click 'preflight' > 'plan route' & enter MS71 in either the departure or
> destination field, it responds "No airport was found corresponding to
> 'MS71....." Did it work for you entering the identifier on the plan
> route popup?
>
> I've never used this flight planner before; the only reason I noticed
> this is that I've had people tell me twice that they couldn't find it
> using AOPA's flt planner.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> James Clark wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> >
> >Hmmmmm
> >
> >Worked for me!!! (AOPA RTFP)
> >
> >Seems that MS71 is on the 258 or 159 degree radial of the JACKSON VOR,
> >Southeast of the OCARO intersection.
> >
> >It even knows it as Slobovia Outernational, 1 mile N or Pocahontas.
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >On 11/12/05, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> >>
> >>I've had a couple of folks say they can't find my home airport in the
> >>AOPA 'real time flight planner'.
> >>
> >>I got around to trying it for the 1st time today, & sure enough, MS71
> >>isn't found. I then clicked on the 'help' tab and at around a half hour
> >>or so, I'm still waiting for the 'help' file to load (around 17 megs, so
> >>far).
> >>
> >>Not exactly 'real time' for those of us stuck with dialup....
> >>
> >>Does anyone know if they only include airports for jet jockeys?
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dynon Failure Mode |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
> Greetings:
>
> When I was evaluating the Dynon D-10A for purchase I decided
> that one thing that made it compelling was the failure modes.
> The mechanical gyro instruments tend to fail in a way that
> makes them dangerous. If a vacuum pump fails, the
> instruments slowly give worse and worse information. I had
> worn mechanical gyro instruments that were inconsistent,
> sometimes working fine and sometimes giving erroneous
> readings. I figured the Dynon would either work or not. I was wrong.
>
> Today, after takeoff, I noticed the Dynon was not right,
> first because zero rate of climb was indicated when I was
> climbing about 1,500 fpm. Then I noticed more and more
> problems. The indicated altitude was about 27,000 feet and
> the airspeed was about 410 knots. My RV-6 is a high
> performance airplane, but not that high performance. I
> turned the instrument off and on several times. Nothing
> helped. The heading seemed roughly correct but was not
> stable and hunted through several tens of degrees. The
> attitude indicator was sometimes about right and other times
> drifted to completely wrong attitudes.
>
> All in all, this is disturbing to me. Guess I will contact
> Dyon on Monday for advice and I am hoping I can just
> reinstall system software or something.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
Larry, sorry you are having troubles with the Dynon.
While we can't possibly know what the failure rate for this system (or any
other new EFIS) is yet, we must be humble to how difficult it is to design a
device of this complexity with minimal failure potentials.
I'm sure this will bring on the torches, but we seem to be in a period right
now where there are more problems with the new EFIS systems than with the
ancient mechanical systems they are replacing. This will change, of course,
but be aware that this is often the nature of new technology. There are no
free lunches.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 690 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Failure Mode |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> Sorry you had problems with your Dynon. But it sounds like you
> experienced exactly the kind of failure mode you expected from the
> Dynon; the unit definitely wasn't working and there was no way you would
> be tempted to use it as a flight reference.
>
Sam,
That is true as far as airspeed and altitude, that I don't normally use on
the Dynon and usually have turned off. The attitude indicator problem is
pretty much like the failure you would get with a failed vacuum system.
There is an indication that is slowly changing, sometimes near correct and
sometimes way wrong.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: GPS problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>There have been references to the internal battery. That may be the case,
>BUT, I seem to recal some time ago there was a change in the satellite
>datastream and all older GPS's needed to be updated.
Nope. You may be thinking of the GPS rollover a few years ago that some
thought was similar to the year 2000 issues with computers..
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I'd like to put scratch marks on a pyrex tube every two gallons so I'll know how
full my tanks really are. But I'm having a hard time finding a source for 1
foot of 1/4" pyrex tubing. Has anyone solved this problem?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Dynon Failure Mode |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Alex,
Everyone can agree that all of the EFIS have had some teething issues,
some more than others. But if we consider all the instruments and
systems a single EFIS/EIS replaces, or never were even available before,
it would seem that the 'inop rate' is actually very low, especially for
a sophisticated, complex instrument right out of the gate. If we
tallied all the problems that we would have with the old individual
instruments, I'm guessing the total would be significantly greater than
what is seen with these new electronic systems. It gets noticed more
when all the malfunctions that could possibly happen show up in one
instruments...it may seem like a lot but doubt that it really is.
Heck, the eInstruments for GA have only had 2-3 real years to sort
things out. The aircraft industry has been perfecting the vacuum pump
and instruments for decades and they still crap out with frustrating
regularity, so I think we're making progress.
Chuck
Dual GRT EFIS (and satisfied with 'em)
Larry, sorry you are having troubles with the Dynon.
While we can't possibly know what the failure rate for this system (or
any
other new EFIS) is yet, we must be humble to how difficult it is to
design a
device of this complexity with minimal failure potentials.
I'm sure this will bring on the torches, but we seem to be in a period
right
now where there are more problems with the new EFIS systems than with
the
ancient mechanical systems they are replacing. This will change, of
course,
but be aware that this is often the nature of new technology. There are
no
free lunches.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 690 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the encoder. The tester
hooked up to the static input and reduced the pressure up to 15,000 feet. The
D10, which deduces airspeed from pitot to static pressure difference, had me
going 585 mph by the time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach
1. But the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that the software
does indeed use pressure differences in it's algorithms for attitude determination.
On the way up to altitude, the horizon showed a descending left turn
as I recall. On the way back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't
remember but it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all smoothed
out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Try Sportys October Catalog Page 33 11' and 16" universal fuel gauges
Part #5304A 11.50 and 6109A 15.95 with calibration instructions.
Bill S
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DAVID REEL
Subject: RV-List: Manual Fuel Level Measurement
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I'd like to put scratch marks on a pyrex tube every two gallons so I'll know
how full my tanks really are. But I'm having a hard time finding a source
for 1 foot of 1/4" pyrex tubing. Has anyone solved this problem?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
What temp is the Veritherm supposed to open on a Lyc. O-360?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Oldsfolks@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Re:Cowl flap
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Pat;
Does your engine have a Vernatherm valve in the oil system ? If so it
may
be sticking in the open position; this allows the oil to circulate
through the
cooler all the time. The Vernatherm valve allows oil through the
cooler
only when the temperature reaches a certain point.
You can remove the Vernatherm valve and submerse it in a can of
automatic
transmission fluid , heated with a propane torch. You can put a candy
thermometer in the can to keep track of the temperature up to 400 - 500
degrees. BE
CAREFUL !! That is HOT !!
You can see if the valve moves and what temperature it reaches when it
moves.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: OT: AOPA flight planner?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
Make sure you have the latest version.
I justentered MS71 in the airport field.
James
On 11/12/05, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hmmmm, indeed. Zooming the map shown at startup will show MS71 but if I
> click 'preflight' > 'plan route' & enter MS71 in either the departure or
> destination field, it responds "No airport was found corresponding to
> 'MS71....." Did it work for you entering the identifier on the plan
> route popup?
>
> I've never used this flight planner before; the only reason I noticed
> this is that I've had people tell me twice that they couldn't find it
> using AOPA's flt planner.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> James Clark wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> >
> >Hmmmmm
> >
> >Worked for me!!! (AOPA RTFP)
> >
> >Seems that MS71 is on the 258 or 159 degree radial of the JACKSON VOR,
> >Southeast of the OCARO intersection.
> >
> >It even knows it as Slobovia Outernational, 1 mile N or Pocahontas.
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >On 11/12/05, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> >>
> >>I've had a couple of folks say they can't find my home airport in the
> >>AOPA 'real time flight planner'.
> >>
> >>I got around to trying it for the 1st time today, & sure enough, MS71
> >>isn't found. I then clicked on the 'help' tab and at around a half hour
> >>or so, I'm still waiting for the 'help' file to load (around 17 megs, so
> >>far).
> >>
> >>Not exactly 'real time' for those of us stuck with dialup....
> >>
> >>Does anyone know if they only include airports for jet jockeys?
> >>
> >>Charlie
> >>
>
>
> ,
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" <phatphill@comcast.net>
I used a piece of 1/4" black rubber hose.
Put a piece of 1/4" wood dowel inside to stiffen it.
Made the marks with a small file.
A ring all the way around every 5 gallons and a slash for each gallon.
The first mark is 4 gallons.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Subject: RV-List: Manual Fuel Level Measurement
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I'd like to put scratch marks on a pyrex tube every two gallons so I'll
know how full my tanks really are. But I'm having a hard time finding a
source for 1 foot of 1/4" pyrex tubing. Has anyone solved this problem?
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
Should be stamped on the hex head near the Lyc part #. I believe mine was
stamped 85 deg. C.
Mannan
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:Cowl flap
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>
>
> What temp is the Veritherm supposed to open on a Lyc. O-360?
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bud Newhall <RV-6@comcast.net>
Thanks for all the advise.
I knew the battery needed to be replaced but I thought it was only for
backup.
This GPS is supposed to run 4 hours on the battery in case of a power
failure.
I ordered a new battery online from Garmin. $60.00
Hope this solves my problem but if not it still needed the battery.
Thank
Bud
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Bud Newhall wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bud Newhall <RV-6@comcast.net>
>
>Thanks for all the advise.
>I knew the battery needed to be replaced but I thought it was only for
>backup.
>This GPS is supposed to run 4 hours on the battery in case of a power
>failure.
>I ordered a new battery online from Garmin. $60.00
>Hope this solves my problem but if not it still needed the battery.
>
>Thank
>Bud
>
>
>
>
I am not familiar with your model of GPS, so I hope that is the battery
you need. The battery I had to repalce was
an internal battery that keeps all of the GPS information in memory. It
is sort of like the internal battery in your computer
that keeps information in your computer when it is not in use.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: stainless steel hole cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Mickey,
What grade of stainless are you cutting? 303 is
easily machinable where 304 is near impossible to
machine unless you use expensive carbide cutters and a
lot of them. Ask me how I know. 303 can be cut with
high speed tooling but I prefer carbide as it will
usually stay sharp to finish the job. A machine shop
will charge you $50 or more to set up the job and then
the time to actually do the machining. And only when
they have extra time to do it. Ask me how I know. I
have a lathe and a mill in my basement so now I make
my own parts when I can.
Dave Nellis
7A N410DN (Res.)
--- Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
> <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to cut about a 2" hole in about 1/8"
> stainless steel, and found out that my trusty
> fly cutter, which works so well on aluminum, has
> a very hard time with SS. I was turning the
> thing very slowly, with lots of oil and pressure,
> but no dice.
>
> On Monday I'll probably take it to a machine
> shop, but I was curious if there are any tips
> or tricks that I'm missing.
>
> BTW, this will be for a firewall penetration
> seal.
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
> encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
> pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
> pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
> time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
> the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
> like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
> the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
> algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
> the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
> back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
> it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
> smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>
As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: stainless steel hole cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ouch. I don't really know what grade of stainless
steel it is - I picked up a bunch of scrap SS
from a junkyard for 3 dollars.
I checked into the greenlee punches, and they look
like they would work great, but they are rather
expensive.
I'm going to see how much the machine shop charges,
and possibly try to find some thinner material.
Thanks, guys, for all the hints.
Mickey
Dave Nellis wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
>
> Mickey,
>
> What grade of stainless are you cutting? 303 is
> easily machinable where 304 is near impossible to
> machine unless you use expensive carbide cutters and a
> lot of them. Ask me how I know. 303 can be cut with
> high speed tooling but I prefer carbide as it will
> usually stay sharp to finish the job. A machine shop
> will charge you $50 or more to set up the job and then
> the time to actually do the machining. And only when
> they have extra time to do it. Ask me how I know. I
> have a lathe and a mill in my basement so now I make
> my own parts when I can.
>
> Dave Nellis
> 7A N410DN (Res.)
>
>
> --- Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
>><mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm trying to cut about a 2" hole in about 1/8"
>>stainless steel, and found out that my trusty
>>fly cutter, which works so well on aluminum, has
>>a very hard time with SS. I was turning the
>>thing very slowly, with lots of oil and pressure,
>>but no dice.
>>
>>On Monday I'll probably take it to a machine
>>shop, but I was curious if there are any tips
>>or tricks that I'm missing.
>>
>>BTW, this will be for a firewall penetration
>>seal.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
DAVID REEL wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
>I'd like to put scratch marks on a pyrex tube every two gallons so I'll know how
full my tanks really are. But I'm having a hard time finding a source for
1 foot of 1/4" pyrex tubing. Has anyone solved this problem?
>
>Dave Reel - RV8A
>
I've got one word for you: Plastic. (with apologies & condolences to
those old enough to remember the reference)
A foot of Tygon is easy to obtain, probably free if you ask a friend, &
unbreakable. Mark it with a soldering iron or wood burner.
Charlie
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--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
RV-4's cool all too well. I think you answered your question. Block oil cooler
and block inlet. Not sure how you are blocking inlet but block the inner edge
near the spinner. Make some aero shaped foam and tape it on. Crude but effective.
In cold weather it is hard to get the RV-4 oil hot. Don't forget to lean
below 75% power.
If you want to make some more substantial and permanent change a cowl flap would
be of benefit year round and make your RV faster. In an old RVator van shows
how to make a cowl flap. If you get the last 16 years or what ever of the RVator
it shows the concept. Blocking inlet and outlet has benefits. That is one
reason the Sam James style cowl makes RV's 6mph or more faster. The stock RV
cowl is a little fat on the inlet area for most operations. To be fair, van has
to account for worst case conditions in very hot weather and hard long climbs.
If you want to know more check out the Jamesaircraft yahoo group, and look
at the first message in the group for the reason the cowl makes you go faster,
while maintaining acceptable temps.
G
HE WROTE:
From: PGLong@aol.com
Subject: Cowl flap
Looking to make a cowl flap that I can operate from the cockpit for my RV-4.
Does anyone have any pictures or plan I might look at? I have my oil cooler
blocked with aluminum tape and also restricted the cowl inlets approximately
one third.
Finally got my oil heated up to 185 F. Without the cowl inlets
restricted, can only get about 120 F on the oil. Not sure whether to restrict
the inlet or outlet flow. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| Subject: | Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
I bought a piece of 1/2" rigid plastic PVC water pipe, some couplings (a
tee, 090 degree, straight coupling)and glue which are all are very cheap at
the local discount lumber yard. I used a 12" piece and notched it for a
fuel dipstick, made two wheel chokes by forming a "U" using 90 degree
couplings around each tire to fit beneath the wheel fairings as chocks, and
oil an dipstick wrench. The dipstick is a "T" handle about 12" long and
has a straight coupling to reinforce the bottom end with a cross notch cut
to fit the thumb ears on the Lycoming dipstick This enables a person to
easily reach deep into the cowl and still get enough leverage to loosen the
dipstick without messing up your shirt sleeve. These tools are all glued
together with PVC glue, weigh almost nothing, with a very little cost in
time and $$$ so I have a set in the baggage area and also in the hangar.
None of this tubing is clear rather it is a manila or off white but it is
just as functional and very readily available.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 97Hours
Minnesota
> [Original Message]
> From: DAVID REEL <dreel@cox.net>
> To: rvlist <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/13/2005 8:46:58 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Manual Fuel Level Measurement
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I'd like to put scratch marks on a pyrex tube every two gallons so I'll
know how full my tanks really are. But I'm having a hard time finding a
source for 1 foot of 1/4" pyrex tubing. Has anyone solved this problem?
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:stainless steel hole cutter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Mickey...
Why 1/8" SS? That's thick, tough and spendy to cut. I went to Target (Av
Dept. of course) and bought some cheap stainless cookware and made firewall and
exhaust shields from same. Pretty easy to cut with snips. After all, our
firewalls are only .020 or so... Another technique to cut thin stainless is to
go
up to .75" with a step drill, then hog it out with die grinder and sanding
drum (Harbor Freight) chucked in. This works well and leaves a clean hole.
Radio shack and other electronics stores sell a nice little nibbler tool for
$12 that makes short work of thin SS also...
I'd be happy to mail you some surplus thin SS I have, just tell me how much
you need. I have about a square foot I can spare...
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> I've got one word for you: Plastic. (with apologies & condolences to
> those old enough to remember the reference)
Am I really that old?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061722/quotes#qt0079973
:-)
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>>'ve got one word for you: Plastic. (with apologies & condolences to
>>those old enough to remember the reference)
>>
>>
>
>Am I really that old?
>
You must be, because you knew where the link was!!!
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061722/quotes#qt0079973
>
And I really appreciate it, because I must be older than you ...... and
had to go to the link to be reminded!!!
Thanks Mickey. And for those that still haven't a clue .... rent "The
Graduate" ..... it's a hoot!
Linn
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>
>:-)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
do not archive
shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>>
>> I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
>> encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
>> pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
>> pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
>> time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
>> the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
>> like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
>> the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
>> algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
>> the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
>> back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
>> it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
>> smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>>
>
> As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
> compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
> pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
> You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
> can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
> change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
> must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
> compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
> to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
> the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
> airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
> will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
>
> As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Oops, you might as well have asked about primer or tailwheels!
(btw,I agree) { : > )
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Jeff Dowling wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
>Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
>need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
>instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
>
>do not archive
>shemp
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>>On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>>>
>>>I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
>>>encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
>>>pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
>>>pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
>>>time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
>>>the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
>>>like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
>>>the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
>>>algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
>>>the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
>>>back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
>>>it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
>>>smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
>>compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
>>pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
>>You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
>>can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
>>change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
>>must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
>>compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
>>to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
>>the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
>>airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
>>will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
>>
>>As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
>>
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
I see the List Police are at it again! Chill out!!!!! I've been lurking
ont this list for a couple of years and I continually see people brought up
short for totally insignificant breaches of list etiquite (sp)? and a lot of
questionable and error ridden answers to questions. How do I know? I've
been a builder and mechanic for over 30 years. How about trying to keep the
chatter relevant to building and helping "newbies" with legitimate help.
Nomex coveralls under my asbestos suit. No malace intended.
Mannan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
> need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
> instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
>
> do not archive
> shemp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
>>> encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
>>> pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
>>> pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
>>> time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
>>> the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
>>> like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
>>> the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
>>> algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
>>> the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
>>> back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
>>> it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
>>> smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>>>
>>
>> As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
>> compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
>> pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
>> You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
>> can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
>> change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
>> must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
>> compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
>> to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
>> the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
>> airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
>> will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
>>
>> As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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