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1. 12:15 AM - Comments... (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kevin Horton)
3. 03:32 AM - Manual Fuel Level Measurement (PGLong@aol.com)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Jeff Dowling)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode (Larry Pardue)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (kensmith@springnet1.com)
7. 06:01 AM - email etiquette (was Re: Cool Dynon Test) (linn walters)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Rob Prior (rv7))
9. 09:34 AM - Light SPEED Headsets (DvdBock@aol.com)
10. 09:47 AM - Re: Light SPEED Headsets (Rusty)
11. 10:13 AM - Re: Light SPEED Headsets (Dan Checkoway)
12. 11:02 AM - Re: Light SPEED Headsets (LarryRobertHelming)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kysh)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kysh)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (sportav8r@aol.com)
16. 02:53 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
17. 03:15 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kysh)
18. 03:19 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Jim)
19. 03:33 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Rick Galati)
20. 03:35 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kysh)
21. 03:46 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Rob Prior (rv7))
22. 03:48 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Kysh)
23. 03:52 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (John Danielson)
24. 04:12 PM - Synthetic Oil (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
25. 04:23 PM - Torque Seal (Gerns25@netscape.net)
26. 04:33 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test - THE END....PLEASE! (SteinAir, Inc.)
27. 04:40 PM - Re: yearly chestnuts (Greg Young)
28. 05:02 PM - netiquette.* (JOHN STARN)
29. 05:17 PM - Peltor H52 Headsets? (Bobby Hester)
30. 05:40 PM - Re: Torque Seal (Jim)
31. 05:41 PM - Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting (Kelly McMullen)
32. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting (Kysh)
33. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting (Kelly McMullen)
34. 07:02 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (linn walters)
35. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting (Jerry Springer)
36. 07:49 PM - Re: Wing Installation. (Mannan J. Thomason)
37. 08:19 PM - Re: Cool Dynon Test (Bob Collins)
38. 08:21 PM - Re: Wing Installation. (Bob Collins)
39. 08:34 PM - Re: Wing Installation. (DonVS)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
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What do the Lists mean to you...?
Please make a Contribution to support the Lists here:
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==================== What Listers Are Saying - Vol II ====================
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 13 Nov 2005, at 22:10, Jeff Dowling wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message?
> If you
> need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page
> down
> instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
>
> do not archive
While there apparently are people who prefer to start at the bottom
of the page and read upwards to follow the thread, I am not one of
them. I'm not changing my posting style, so I suggest that anyone
who is really bothered by that just hit the delete key when they see
one of my messages, or set up a filter on my name.
This will be my last comment on this matter, in a vain effort to keep
the signal to noise ratio high.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Manual Fuel Level Measurement |
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
A friend showed me this trick. Use a simple stick of plywood with the grain
running horizontally. Sand it smooth and write on it with a pencil for
different fuel levels. Fuel evaporates quickly so you can go from one tank to
another. With the grain running horizontally, there is no wicking of fuel to
indicate the wrong level.
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Just a little constructive criticism. I do all of my browsing on a very
small laptop without a mouse so after a while it becomes a pain in the butt
to constantly page down to see a response.
No malice intended either. do not archive
Shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
>
> I see the List Police are at it again! Chill out!!!!! I've been lurking
> ont this list for a couple of years and I continually see people brought
> up
> short for totally insignificant breaches of list etiquite (sp)? and a lot
> of
> questionable and error ridden answers to questions. How do I know? I've
> been a builder and mechanic for over 30 years. How about trying to keep
> the
> chatter relevant to building and helping "newbies" with legitimate help.
>
> Nomex coveralls under my asbestos suit. No malace intended.
>
> Mannan
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
>> need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
>> instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
>>
>> do not archive
>> shemp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>>>>
>>>> I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
>>>> encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
>>>> pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
>>>> pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
>>>> time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
>>>> the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
>>>> like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
>>>> the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
>>>> algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
>>>> the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
>>>> back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
>>>> it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
>>>> smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
>>> compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
>>> pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
>>> You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
>>> can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
>>> change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
>>> must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
>>> compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
>>> to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
>>> the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
>>> airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
>>> will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
>>>
>>> As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
>>>
>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Failure Mode |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Greetings:
Saturday I posted about a failure of my Dynon D-10A.
On Sunday a Dynon employee contacted me to tell me my failure was a hardware
problem with the altimeter sensor which will require the unit to go back.
He also said the next software update will detect this type failure and warn
the pilot.
Sounds good to me.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kensmith@springnet1.com" <kensmith@springnet1.com>
AMEN
Mannan J. Thomason wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
>
>I see the List Police are at it again! Chill out!!!!! I've been lurking
>ont this list for a couple of years and I continually see people brought up
>short for totally insignificant breaches of list etiquite (sp)? and a lot of
>questionable and error ridden answers to questions. How do I know? I've
>been a builder and mechanic for over 30 years. How about trying to keep the
>chatter relevant to building and helping "newbies" with legitimate help.
>
>Nomex coveralls under my asbestos suit. No malace intended.
>
>Mannan
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
>><shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
>>need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
>>instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
>>
>>do not archive
>>shemp
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>>
>>>On 13 Nov 2005, at 09:41, DAVID REEL wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>>>>
>>>>I just passed my transponder check which used my D10 as the
>>>>encoder. The tester hooked up to the static input and reduced the
>>>>pressure up to 15,000 feet. The D10, which deduces airspeed from
>>>>pitot to static pressure difference, had me going 585 mph by the
>>>>time I was up to 15,000. Shoot! I wanted to break Mach 1. But
>>>>the tester dude was impressed that the Dynon didn't stop at a limit
>>>>like a regular airspeed would. It was also interesting to see that
>>>>the software does indeed use pressure differences in it's
>>>>algorithms for attitude determination. On the way up to altitude,
>>>>the horizon showed a descending left turn as I recall. On the way
>>>>back down, a climbing left turn. Nuts. Now I can't remember but
>>>>it might have been climbing & then descending. Anyway, it all
>>>>smoothed out once the test static pressure returned to ambient.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As far as the pitch attitude goes, the Dynon uses airspeed info to
>>>compensate for acceleration errors. If the aircraft accelerates, the
>>>pitch attitude algorithm would incorrectly sense an attitude change.
>>>You can see this with a normal mechanical attitude indicator if you
>>>can accelerate quickly enough - it will show a false pitch attitude
>>>change. The Dynon EFIS looks at the airspeed changing, sees that you
>>>must be accelerating, so it adjusts the calculated pitch attitude to
>>>compensate for the error due to the acceleration. This is reported
>>>to work very well when the aircraft is flying. But, if you hook up
>>>the pitot-static system to a test set, so you can change the sensed
>>>airspeed on the ground, the EFIS is fooled. The displayed attitude
>>>will correct itself once the airspeed stabilizes at a constant value.
>>>
>>>As far as the bank goes, I'm not sure what would be going on there.
>>>
>>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>>Ottawa, Canada
>>>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test) |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jeff Dowling wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
>Just a little constructive criticism. I do all of my browsing on a very
>small laptop without a mouse so after a while it becomes a pain in the butt
>to constantly page down to see a response.
>
>No malice intended either. do not archive
>
>Shemp
>
As long as we're hashing on this, allow me to offer my opinion on email
construction.
I hate:
To see a reply without any of the previous thread so you know what the
email was in reference to.
To see a reply which has no relation to the subject line.
To see six pages of quoted thread. If you're interested in the thread,
you already know what's gone on before. If you jumped into the middle
of the conversation (such as a newbie) you can always ask for the
background or look in the archives. I have a lot of 'deleted' emails
stored and will be glad to look for it ..... but offline, thank you very
much.
To see irrelevent dialog archived because it didn't include 'do not
archive'. (now it's in here twice!!!)
BUT
I have no answer to the placement of replies. One net nanny (I monitor
6 different lists) tosses my reply if the reply is at the beginning. So,
I do both. I also tend to delete thread 'history' and my reply will
contain the last thread comment and my comment. I see Jeff's (Shemp)
dilemma, and I understand completely. I'm sorry this answer was
appended at the end, but at least he won't have to scroll down very far
to read this drivel ...... and I'm sorry that some read all the way down
here only to find that there is no really good answer ...... only
opinions, and it's tough to please everyone.
Linn ..... just rambling ..... after all. it's Monday!
--
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 19:10:42 2005-11-13 "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message?
Unfortunately not. You will find people who feel strongly about each
choice of placement of replies. Personally I feel they should go at the
bottom, so each message reads properly from top to bottom. There's a
page-down button on your keyboard that will make short work of any quoted
text if you have to scroll down without a mouse.
When replying, I do go to the extra effort to remove the extraneous
information, such as signatures, paragraphs that aren't related to my
reply, previous matronics footers, etc. Perhaps if we could all agree to
do that, then the messages would all be short enough that replying at the
bottom or at the top wouldn't matter.
-Rob
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Light SPEED Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
Can someone tell me how to contact Light SPEED Headset makers? Have
unsuccessfully searched list archives & Google....
Thanks.
Dave Bockelman
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Light SPEED Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Can someone tell me how to contact Light SPEED Headset makers? Have
unsuccessfully searched list archives & Google....
--------------------
Hi Dave,
Here's the contact info link-
http://www.anrheadsets.com/contact.asp
Also, their contact info is:
LightSPEED Aviation, Inc.
15954 SW 72nd Ave
Portland, Oregon 97224
Phone: 503.968.3113
Toll Free: 800.332.2421
Fax: 503.968.7664
Cheers,
Rusty (committing a repeat offense)
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| Subject: | Re: Light SPEED Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.anrheadsets.com/contact.asp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <DvdBock@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Light SPEED Headsets
> --> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
>
> Can someone tell me how to contact Light SPEED Headset makers? Have
> unsuccessfully searched list archives & Google....
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Bockelman
> F1 Rocket
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Light SPEED Headsets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Try this:
You would need to contact Lightspeed at 1-800-332-2421.
Indiana Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <DvdBock@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Light SPEED Headsets
> --> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
>
> Can someone tell me how to contact Light SPEED Headset makers? Have
> unsuccessfully searched list archives & Google....
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Bockelman
> F1 Rocket
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Jeff Dowling was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If you
> need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page down
> instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
No. Quoted text should be on top, prefixed by "> ". Reply text may be
interspersed or appended solely at the bottom.
Signatures should be appended, following a "-- ".
These are standards, conventions, things that have been around (And with
good reason) since the earliest days.
Quoting on top of the message is like building an RV solely with hardware-store
pop-rivets. Sure, it may work, but it's wrong and broken. People who know
what they're doing will shake their head in mournful resignation at the
lack of understanding displayed.
But now you're asking everyone else to do the same, and that is exactly
the sort of nonsense up with which I shall not put.
do not archive
-Kysh
--
Signature
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Mannan J. Thomason was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
>
> I see the List Police are at it again! Chill out!!!!! I've been lurking
> ont this list for a couple of years and I continually see people brought up
> short for totally insignificant breaches of list etiquite (sp)? and a lot of
> questionable and error ridden answers to questions. How do I know? I've
> been a builder and mechanic for over 30 years. How about trying to keep the
> chatter relevant to building and helping "newbies" with legitimate help.
Except in this case, it is not a breach of (n)etiquette.
As I stated previously, convention dictates that quotes -not- be on top.
Some people prefer to defy convention and put their quotes on top, but
that can be allowed to slide as an error of inexperience or lack of
knowledge.
Demanding that people follow your own personal convention, in conflict
with the conventions that already exist, however, is a cardinal sin.
.~
-Kysh
--
Something witty here
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
As I stated previously, convention dictates that quotes -not- be on top.
No. Quoted text should be on top
<< both the above quotes are from you. I, for one, am confused (though not really
very interested); which way do you want it done, officer Kysh?
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd be contributing
to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about netiquette.*
So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
do not archive.
(* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase there's any value in the
messages that have nothing to do with building RVs -- of which there are way
too many.)
So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've decided to mate
the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have any advice?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
> As Mannan J. Thomason was saying:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
> >
> > I see the List Police are at it again! Chill out!!!!! I've been lurking
> > ont this list for a couple of years and I continually see people brought up
> > short for totally insignificant breaches of list etiquite (sp)? and a lot of
> > questionable and error ridden answers to questions. How do I know? I've
> > been a builder and mechanic for over 30 years. How about trying to keep the
> > chatter relevant to building and helping "newbies" with legitimate help.
>
> Except in this case, it is not a breach of (n)etiquette.
>
> As I stated previously, convention dictates that quotes -not- be on top.
> Some people prefer to defy convention and put their quotes on top, but
> that can be allowed to slide as an error of inexperience or lack of
> knowledge.
>
> Demanding that people follow your own personal convention, in conflict
> with the conventions that already exist, however, is a cardinal sin.
> .~
>
> -Kysh
> --
> Something witty here
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As sportav8r@aol.com was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> As I stated previously, convention dictates that quotes -not- be on top.
>
>
> No. Quoted text should be on top
>
>
> << both the above quotes are from you. I, for one, am confused (though not really
very interested); which way do you want it done, officer Kysh?
As to 'officer Kysh', I am not one who suggests change in any fashion; as to
the rest, do as I do, not as I say: I mistyped. :>
I meant: "... convention dictates that REPLIES -not- be on top."
I apologise for being confusing. Brain disengaged briefly.
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I say don't quote. That's what threads are for. Besides, who died and made
Kysh in charge? I happen to agree that top posting is best and that's what
I'm gonna do if I ever quote again (maybe). Geez - some people quote the
same messages and then the replies over and over and then bottom post. How
stupid is that? You have to scroll for hours to read a reply.
>Here's a quote from Kysh: "These are standards, conventions, things that
have been around (And with
good reason) since the earliest days."
This is like cutting the ends off the roast. Why? Because that's the way
Gramma did it.
>Another Kysh jewel: "Quoting on top of the message is like building an RV
solely with hardware-store
pop-rivets. Sure, it may work, but it's wrong and broken."
What an inane analogy.
>Number 3 words of wisdom: "People who know
what they're doing will shake their head in mournful resignation at the
lack of understanding displayed."
I can honestly say I don't understand. And I am shaking my head. Can you
guess why?
I've been reading this list off and on since 1989 and the same people show
up with different names and start the same arguments over and over.
jim
'91 RV6
'05 HR2
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Hear that? Are the mice ROARING again?
What we are really talking about is the position of the toilet seat. Leave it
up or down? I say if you name is Norris, raise it. If your name is Nancy, lower
it. In the end, it works for everybody...well almost everybody! Just FLUSH
IT!
NOW THEN.....Will that be paper or plastic?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Bob Collins was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>
> I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd be
> contributing to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about
> netiquette.*
http://www.lava.net/~perrone/bullseye/humor.html
-Kysh
do not archive
(We're all on there somewhere)
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 15:24:01 2005-11-14 "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I happen to agree that top posting is best
> and that's what I'm gonna do if I ever quote again (maybe).
Really? Within your own message, not 5 lines later:
> > Here's a quote from Kysh: "These are standards, conventions,
> > things that have been around (And with good reason) since the
> > earliest days."
>
> This is like cutting the ends off the roast. Why? Because that's
> the way Gramma did it.
When you commented on Kysh's penchant for bottom-posting, not just here but
three times in your post, each was ordered with Kysh's quote first, and
your reply on the bottom. Why did you do it this way? Because it makes
the most sense when you're reading it after the fact. Which is why
bottom-replying makes the most sense too.
If you're just replying to the thread in general, and not to someone's post
specifically, then I agree: Don't quote anything. Or at lease, edit out
all the useless stuff in the earlier posts (like I did in yours).
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Jim was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>
> I say don't quote. That's what threads are for. Besides, who died and made
> Kysh in charge?
Again, I'm only responding to someone who was trying to tell other
people to do things their way (The wrong way).
As to not quoting, that just makes it hard on -everyone-.
> Geez - some people quote the
> same messages and then the replies over and over and then bottom post. How
> stupid is that? You have to scroll for hours to read a reply.
Yes, learning to trim posts is, like learning to quote from the bottom, a
fundament of learning to use email.
> >Here's a quote from Kysh: "These are standards, conventions, things that
> have been around (And with
> good reason) since the earliest days."
>
> This is like cutting the ends off the roast. Why? Because that's the way
> Gramma did it.
Far be it from me to argue against change, but while change can be good,
it can also be borne of ignorance, and it can also lead to utter ruin if
improperly considered.
> >Another Kysh jewel: "Quoting on top of the message is like building an RV
> solely with hardware-store
> pop-rivets. Sure, it may work, but it's wrong and broken."
>
> What an inane analogy.
Yes, you don't agree with it, therefore it is an inane analogy and I am,
by extension, inane. Ad hominem, sir.
(Though I did misspeak; It should have been 'replying on top of the
messsage is like...', but by those words I stand)
> >Number 3 words of wisdom: "People who know
> what they're doing will shake their head in mournful resignation at the
> lack of understanding displayed."
>
> I can honestly say I don't understand. And I am shaking my head. Can you
> guess why?
My guess is that you are shaking your head because you have not yet properly
learned to use email despite your claim to have been doing so since 1989.
Though, frankly, I'm baffled by the simple fact that you're using top
quoting yourself even as you denigrate me for doing the same.
> I've been reading this list off and on since 1989 and the same people show
> up with different names and start the same arguments over and over.
A replies to B, demanding that everyone put the message on top, quotes
on bottom.
C responds to B, saying in effect, "No, that's wrong."
It is implied by D that C (who has been on this list since circa 1999 under a
single name, albeit having mostly lurked.) is one of an aggregate 'same
people' who has shown up under a different name to start an argument.
Bueller? Bueller?
-Kysh
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Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
And what does all this bickering have to do with "RE: RV-List: Cool
Dynon Test" ?
Do not archive
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Jeff Dowling was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
<shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Can we please agree to put your reply on the top of the message? If
you
> need to review what the original post regards, you can simply page
down
> instead of everyone having to page down every message!!
No. Quoted text should be on top, prefixed by "> ". Reply text may be
interspersed or appended solely at the bottom.
Signatures should be appended, following a "-- ".
These are standards, conventions, things that have been around (And with
good reason) since the earliest days.
Quoting on top of the message is like building an RV solely with
hardware-store
pop-rivets. Sure, it may work, but it's wrong and broken. People who
know
what they're doing will shake their head in mournful resignation at the
lack of understanding displayed.
But now you're asking everyone else to do the same, and that is exactly
the sort of nonsense up with which I shall not put.
do not archive
-Kysh
--
Signature
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
List, Has anyone used any of the Synthetic Aircraft Oils for a 100 plus hours?
Do you see any advantage.....less sticking valves or cooler operation?
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Ok, now that I have been utterly bored by the endless posts about "email ettiqute"
I would like to ask you seasoned builders a question that actually pertains
to building an RV not a thread. I am a newbie on this thread and a newbie to
building airplanes so I rely on you guys a lot to help me out when my newbie
brain can't figure something out. Now the question...I am building my RV7 empennage
and have primed and riveted the rear spar and am now ready to bolt the
elevator torque bearing on. I would like to use torque seal on the bolts but
I am not sure if this part will be removed for final painting? If not, do most
people just paint the bolts along with the plane? I realize that the HS412's
and HS413's are riveted on so they will obviously be painted so maybe I just
apply the torque seal now and paint the bolts when it comes time to finish paint
the airframe. Any thoughts or suggestions? How have you guys done this
on your birds? Thanks...Oh, and if I have not done something to convention, let
me know as I am new to this list and don't know all the intricacies of the
list.
Darin Hawkes
RV7 Empennage (N619PB res.)
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| Subject: | Cool Dynon Test - THE END....PLEASE! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
What in the world are you guys doing...I'm far from the list police but for
crying out loud - everyone ranting about what is right and wrong and where
to quote, post, reply, blah, blah, blah, then the "he said, she said, I
said, you said" stuff......
Speaking of "netiquette", it's interesteing to note that none of you
bothered to change the subject line from the Dynon stuff that was an actual
good subject to say something like "Uselss Rambling to follow", so morons
like me open each email thinking it might actually have something to do with
the subject line only to realize it's just more useless crap.
I rarely fly off the handle on list, but if everyone insists on continuing
this useless, pointless, entire waste of space at least change the damned
subject line. Either change the subject line or better yet, just don't post
this stuff. If you read the diatribe below, it looks like a bunch of 4 year
olds arguinig back and forth. How about bucking some rivets?
I'm done and prepared with my asbestos shorts on.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stein.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kysh
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:49 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
> As Jim was saying:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I say don't quote. That's what threads are for. Besides, who
> died and made
> > Kysh in charge?
>
> Again, I'm only responding to someone who was trying to tell other
> people to do things their way (The wrong way).
>
> As to not quoting, that just makes it hard on -everyone-.
>
> > Geez - some people quote the
> > same messages and then the replies over and over and then
> bottom post. How
> > stupid is that? You have to scroll for hours to read a reply.
>
> Yes, learning to trim posts is, like learning to quote from the bottom, a
> fundament of learning to use email.
>
> > >Here's a quote from Kysh: "These are standards, conventions,
> things that
> > have been around (And with
> > good reason) since the earliest days."
> >
> > This is like cutting the ends off the roast. Why? Because
> that's the way
> > Gramma did it.
>
> Far be it from me to argue against change, but while change can be good,
> it can also be borne of ignorance, and it can also lead to utter ruin if
> improperly considered.
>
>
> > >Another Kysh jewel: "Quoting on top of the message is like
> building an RV
> > solely with hardware-store
> > pop-rivets. Sure, it may work, but it's wrong and broken."
> >
> > What an inane analogy.
>
> Yes, you don't agree with it, therefore it is an inane analogy and I am,
> by extension, inane. Ad hominem, sir.
>
> (Though I did misspeak; It should have been 'replying on top of the
> messsage is like...', but by those words I stand)
>
> > >Number 3 words of wisdom: "People who know
> > what they're doing will shake their head in mournful resignation at the
> > lack of understanding displayed."
> >
> > I can honestly say I don't understand. And I am shaking my
> head. Can you
> > guess why?
>
> My guess is that you are shaking your head because you have not
> yet properly
> learned to use email despite your claim to have been doing so since 1989.
>
> Though, frankly, I'm baffled by the simple fact that you're using top
> quoting yourself even as you denigrate me for doing the same.
>
> > I've been reading this list off and on since 1989 and the same
> people show
> > up with different names and start the same arguments over and over.
>
> A replies to B, demanding that everyone put the message on top, quotes
> on bottom.
>
> C responds to B, saying in effect, "No, that's wrong."
>
> It is implied by D that C (who has been on this list since circa
> 1999 under a
> single name, albeit having mostly lurked.) is one of an aggregate 'same
> people' who has shown up under a different name to start an argument.
>
> Bueller? Bueller?
>
> -Kysh
> --
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | yearly chestnuts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Does anyone else find it humorous that none of those venting about
netiquette bothered to change the subject line? I was going to suggest
we give each of these perennial favorites a number (like the old
jailhouse joke) but then realized we would still get 40 replies to look
up "Number 23" in the archive, use "#23" as the convention, and so on,
and so on... I don't think we can stop it.
Do not archive
Greg
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Gee and all along I thought the RV list for ALL those various factors
clearly laid out in Matt's guidelines. Once you've completed putting tab A
into slot B (after flying for 5 plus years we're still doing that) ya find
there are lots of great people within the RV family. I enjoy "talking" to
those around the world that I would never have met. Check out the REST of
the guidelines, you will find the word "camarderie" in there AND you'll find
that it's at fly-ins too. I've gained must more than I could ever give back
BUT I have & will donate & continue to commutate with my "friends" on this
one common ground we share.
With regard to wing installation. Make sure to have supports under wing #1
BEFORE attempting to go pick up #2. Don't force them into place, wiggle &
giggle but NO FORCE. Would suggest a minimum crew of three. One fore & aft
on the wing & #3 at the tip. (#4 inside cockpit if possible to slip in the
bolts)
Do not let go of wing #1 without support. Do not let go of wing #1 without
support. Do not let...........you get the idea.
HRII N561FS Closing in on 300 hrs. Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB) KABONG
> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
> I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd
> be contributing to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about
> netiquette.*
> So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
do not archive.
> (* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase there's any value
> in the messages that have nothing to do with building RVs -- of which
> there are way too many.)
> So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've decided
> to mate the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have any advice?
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| Subject: | Peltor H52 Headsets? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Has anyone out there been trying to get Peltor H52 Headsets?
I took advantage of a deal at Sun-n-Fun 05' and I was suppose to receive
them as soon as thay became available. It was only suppose to be a few
more weeks. They are still not available :-(
I have not been charged but I have been in contact with one of their
reps and he has given dates when they would be available, but everyone
has pass and still no headsets.
They even started advertising them in most aviation catalogs with
(available Aug. 05). I can not believe a company as well known as
Peltor could let the release of these to keep being delayed month
after month.
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
Sorry - couldn't resist the "netiquette" opportuniity - I won't do it again.
As for the torque seal: you should be able to tell if any parts will be
painted but I sealed them anyway. If they aren't hidden by any skin they
most likely will be painted. I would suggest that every bolt that you do a
final torque on should be torque sealed right then. That way when you do
your final inspection all you have to do is look at the fastener to see if
it's been tightened. If you have to take any loose for whatever reason,
reseal them on completion. The stuff is cheap and provides serious peace of
mind down the road. I sealed everything including and especially jam nuts
on controls. If later on you see a fastener without a seal, get out a
wrench, torque it, and seal it.
jim
'91 RV6
'05 HR2
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| Subject: | Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Gesh, I can't believe this disagreement here. Just for Kysh's information
there is no such thing as a standard, and therefore no WRONG Way. Monitoring
about 20 separate computer & aviation listservsfor the last 15 years, the
only standard is that there isn't one, EXCEPT, change the damn subject line
to reflect what you are saying.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kysh" <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
Again, I'm only responding to someone who was trying to tell other
people to do things their way (The wrong way).
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| Subject: | Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Kelly McMullen was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> Gesh, I can't believe this disagreement here. Just for Kysh's information
> there is no such thing as a standard, and therefore no WRONG Way. Monitoring
> about 20 separate computer & aviation listservsfor the last 15 years, the
> only standard is that there isn't one, EXCEPT, change the damn subject line
> to reflect what you are saying.
I truly love the fact that I can chime into a thread, and suddenly it's
about me.
standard (st.n'd.rd) pronunciation
n. ...
5. Something, such as a practice or a product, that is widely
recognized or employed, especially because of its excellence.
The standard, until microsoft decided they needed to redo the way email
worked, until corporations decided the internet was THEIR playground,
before millions of shrieking eels.. er.. people descended upon the
internet, to wallow in their own ignorance, was bottom quoting prefixed
by '> '. There is no meaningful reason to change this, and as anyone can
see it makes things much simpler and easier to read.
The standard is still the same as it was, but there are some newcomers
who think they should twist things to their own standards.
About the subject line, mea culpa.
About everything else.. this thread ain't about me, people. I was merely
responding to someone else who was demanding we do things his way. That
is all.
do not archive
-Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
No, Kysh, there was no standard from the days of gopher and usenet and pure
listservs, long before the web and windoze 95.
Just because you think it was a standard doesn't make it so. The fact that
no one has followed your claimed standard over the last 15 years is proof
enough that it doesn't exist.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kysh" <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
The standard, until microsoft decided they needed to redo the way email
worked, until corporations decided the internet was THEIR playground,
before millions of shrieking eels.. er.. people descended upon the
internet, to wallow in their own ignorance, was bottom quoting prefixed
by '> '. There is no meaningful reason to change this, and as anyone can
see it makes things much simpler and easier to read.
The standard is still the same as it was, but there are some newcomers
who think they should twist things to their own standards.
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| Subject: | Re: Cool Dynon Test |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Bob Collins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>
>I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd be contributing
to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about netiquette.*
>
>So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
>
>do not archive.
>
>(* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase there's any value in
the messages that have nothing to do with building RVs -- of which there are way
too many.)
>
>So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've decided to mate
the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have any advice?
>
Yes. Wear your gloves.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: OT Top/Bottom Posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Newcomers? the top/bottom debate has been going on since the beginning
of time. :)
Jerry
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Kysh wrote:
>The standard is still the same as it was, but there are some newcomers
>who think they should twist things to their own standards.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Installation. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
My wings, (on my RV-8) have gone on and off remarkably easy. The reason for
on and off was HUA syndrome. (Head Up A--) Dont forget to mark the wing to
locate the holes for the wing root fairing nut plates. Gloves are helpful.
Three people minimum.
Mannan
Still not sure if this goes on top or bottom. Oh well, Internet Explorer
put it here, I guess I'll not move it to the bottom.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Bob Collins wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>>
>>I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd
>>be contributing to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about
>>netiquette.*
>>
>>So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
>>
>>do not archive.
>>
>>(* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase there's any value
>>in the messages that have nothing to do with building RVs -- of which
>>there are way too many.)
>>
>>So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've decided
>>to mate the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have any advice?
>>
> Yes. Wear your gloves.
> Linn
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> Anyway have any
> >advice?
> >
> Yes. Wear your gloves.
> Linn
Hahahaa. Yeah, I dug the rabbit fur hat out today too.
Do not archive
B
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| Subject: | Wing Installation. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Oh, that reminds me (and Outlook put the new stuff here and, frankly,
Scarlet, I don't give a crap)(g). I want to make some sawhorses to support
the wings as they go on. Does anyone have the measurement of distance from
the bottom of the wing at the main spar and the inboard/outboard skin joint
and the bottom skin of the fuselage?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Mannan J. Thomason
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:49 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Installation.
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason"
> <mannanj@alltel.net>
>
> My wings, (on my RV-8) have gone on and off remarkably easy.
> The reason for
> on and off was HUA syndrome. (Head Up A--) Dont forget to
> mark the wing to
> locate the holes for the wing root fairing nut plates.
> Gloves are helpful.
> Three people minimum.
>
> Mannan
>
> Still not sure if this goes on top or bottom. Oh well,
> Internet Explorer
> put it here, I guess I'll not move it to the bottom.
>
> DoNot Archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > Bob Collins wrote:
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
> (Bob Collins)
> >>
> >>I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I
> realized that
> >>I'd
> >>be contributing to the proliferation of absolutely useless
> e-mail about
> >>netiquette.*
> >>
> >>So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
> >>
> >>do not archive.
> >>
> >>(* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase
> there's any
> >>value
> >>in the messages that have nothing to do with building RVs
> -- of which
> >>there are way too many.)
> >>
> >>So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've
> >>decided
> >>to mate the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have
> any advice?
> >>
> > Yes. Wear your gloves.
> > Linn
> >
> >
> > --
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Installation. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
Don't feel bad, I did the same thing two weeks ago. This last Saturday I re
hung the wings with the appropriate markings on the under side. Don RV7
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mannan J.
Thomason
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Installation.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
My wings, (on my RV-8) have gone on and off remarkably easy. The reason for
on and off was HUA syndrome. (Head Up A--) Dont forget to mark the wing to
locate the holes for the wing root fairing nut plates. Gloves are helpful.
Three people minimum.
Mannan
Still not sure if this goes on top or bottom. Oh well, Internet Explorer
put it here, I guess I'll not move it to the bottom.
DoNot Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cool Dynon Test
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Bob Collins wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>>
>>I was just about to donate to Matt's fund drive until I realized that I'd
>>be contributing to the proliferation of absolutely useless e-mail about
>>netiquette.*
>>
>>So...how 'bout those RVs, eh? (g)
>>
>>do not archive.
>>
>>(* don't worry, I'll be donating anyway, but not becuase there's any value
>>in the messages that have nothing to do with building RVs -- of which
>>there are way too many.)
>>
>>So just in time for the first major snowfall of the season, I've decided
>>to mate the wings to the fuselage this weekend. Anyway have any advice?
>>
> Yes. Wear your gloves.
> Linn
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>
>
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