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1. 12:11 AM - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (linn walters)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (Richard Dudley)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: wing installation (Bob Collins)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: paint-on ceramic heat shield (Dale Ensing)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: wing installation (Dan Checkoway)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: wing installation (Bob Collins)
8. 08:11 AM - Rudder Spar Doubler Optional Holes & Lightning Holes in General (Condon, Philip M.)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (Mike Robertson)
10. 08:42 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (sportav8r@aol.com)
11. 08:50 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (Kelly McMullen)
12. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: wing installation (Ed Holyoke)
13. 08:57 AM - Re: Resurrecting clecos (Jim)
14. 09:13 AM - Re: paint-on ceramic heat shield (Gerns25@netscape.net)
15. 09:16 AM - Nanotechnology Heat Shield (Warren Hurd)
16. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: wing installation (LarryRobertHelming)
17. 12:55 PM - Re: list fraud ()
18. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: wing installation (Frank Stringham)
19. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: wing installation (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
20. 01:19 PM - Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (Matt Johnson)
21. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: wing installation (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
22. 01:41 PM - Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (Ralph E. Capen)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: wing installation (Greg Young)
24. 01:58 PM - Lesser builders (Joseph Larson)
25. 02:19 PM - Re: Lesser builders (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
26. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: wing installation (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
27. 02:26 PM - Re: Lesser builders (Jim)
28. 02:30 PM - Re: list fraud (Jim)
29. 02:32 PM - Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (Glaeser, Dennis A)
30. 03:06 PM - Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's??(not processed: message from valid local sender) (Gerns25@netscape.net)
31. 03:09 PM - Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's??(not processed: message from valid local sender) (Gerns25@netscape.net)
32. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (Matt Johnson)
33. 03:56 PM - Re: Lesser builders (Richard Dudley)
34. 04:19 PM - Open Insurance LSA question (JOHN STARN)
35. 05:26 PM - Re: Lesser builders (Darrell Reiley)
36. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (RobHickman@aol.com)
37. 07:36 PM - Re: Rudder Spar Doubler Optional Holes & Lightning Holes in General (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser
and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved
with running a high performance email list site such as this
one. With the annual support from the List members through the
PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without
having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads
flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or
other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received
over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members
really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't
mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage members to
support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The
first feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you
cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these Lists
directly. I've been on a few other List servers and have been
unfortunate enough to download infected files people have innocently
or not-so-innocently included with their posts. This just can't
happen with the Matronics Lists; each incoming message is filtered
and dangerous attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a
Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and
bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these
files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are
posted. Safe and simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing
technique, the Archives don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of
bitmap "data" that slows the Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that
are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go
all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the
super fast Search Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a
non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. Another
feature of the Archives is that they have been primarily stripped of
all the useless email header garbage that seems to build up in a
typical email thread.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com
domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and
who where also building RVs. It has grown into well over 50
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that receives over 17,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the
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I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it
shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get
a List Email Message, Search the Archives, or use the List
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| Subject: | Re: Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>
>Dumb question I know:
>
>But...my clecos are about 10 years old now (ya I've been working on it THAT
>long).
>
I bought my Clecoes to build a BD-5.
> Quite a few of them do not pull back inside the body all the way and
>can no longer clamp two pieces of metal tightly together.
>
I had the same problem.
> Some I can grab
>the tangs and move back and forth a few 32nds of an inch and some eventually
>retract back in all the way if you leave them alone for a few minutes (maybe
>they just don't want to be bothered :-)).
>
They do seem to have a mind of their own.
> This is more of a curiosity than
>anything but....what exactly is the failure mode (I would guess rusted worn
>out springs)?
>
I would guess that you're right!
> and.....can they be resurrected by immersion in solvent,
>penetrating oil or some other elixir?
>
I took some auto transmission fluid and soaked them. I agiated the
whole mess a few times a week for a month before working them. I
reclaimed all but a few holdouts which went in the trash.
> Being the airplane needs very few
>clecos at this point it's not a big deal but after spending so much money on
>them it's hard to just throw tens of dollars worth of them into the trash
>can.
>
You may not have a choice, but investing a little ATF was the best I
could come up with. BTW, after ten years, notice how the quantity has
dropped some??? I have this theory that missing clecoes hare been
resurrected as coat hangers in your closet. Sceptical? Bet you have
more hangars than you had 10 years ago!!!
For those of us with fairly new clecoes ..... I'd do the ATF immersion
once a year, just to keep them lubricated and free of rust. Maybe Dean
will cut open a really bad one and tell us what he finds!!! ;-)
Linn
do not archive
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>That free panel planning software is really....cool
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Dean,
What worked for me when my clecoes started sticking, was to add a small
amount of lubricating oil to a solvent like paint thinner and immerse
the clecoes in the solution. I exercised the clecoes as I took them out
of the solution. When they dried, only a film of oil was left on each.
This avoided the quantities of oil which would leak out forever if I
immersed them in concentrated oil.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A flying
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>
>Dumb question I know:
>
>But...my clecos are about 10 years old now (ya I've been working on it THAT
>long). Quite a few of them do not pull back inside the body all the way and
>can no longer clamp two pieces of metal tightly together. Some I can grab
>the tangs and move back and forth a few 32nds of an inch and some eventually
>retract back in all the way if you leave them alone for a few minutes (maybe
>they just don't want to be bothered :-)). This is more of a curiosity than
>anything but....what exactly is the failure mode (I would guess rusted worn
>out springs)? and.....can they be resurrected by immersion in solvent,
>penetrating oil or some other elixir? Being the airplane needs very few
>clecos at this point it's not a big deal but after spending so much money on
>them it's hard to just throw tens of dollars worth of them into the trash
>can.
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>That free panel planning software is really....cool
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Again with the office chair. (g). I was aware of Dan's measurements but they
don't include the one I need...the one at the scarf joint. I appreciate all
the advice I've gotten about getting X number of people to help. But it
doesn't help me. I don't have 3 peole, I don't have 5 people (it was 5
degrees overnight here which might explain it; this'll be an outside job). I
have -- at the moment -- 1 person. I've sketched out a design for some
castering supports in multiple locations, which gives me a little more
flexibility than a chair. But the one measurement I need is the one I don't
have.
Doesn't anyone have an RV7 out there? (g)
Do Not Archive
> See the Jan 1, 2003 entry in Dan Checkoway's site. BTW he is
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| Subject: | Re: paint-on ceramic heat shield |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
To Tom Sargent
You might try a Speed shop for this type of material. It is used on race cars and
provides a heat shield.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Mountains out of molehills.
Bob, just wait until you have a helper. Office chair, castering yadda
yadda, it's irrelevant. You're wasting your time imho if you're gonna
design & build some special castering support thing. Use whatever you have
lying around. A stack of dirty laundy if that's what it comes to. With two
people it's a non-event. On the RV-7, mating the wings is a simple matter
of:
- dude at the wing root guides the spar end into the slot
- dude at the wing tip pushes, wiggles, twists the wing
- dude at the wing root jumps inside and looks for bolt hole alignment
- keep phenagling the wing until you can get drift pins in
Why are you trying to do this alone? Work on something else until you have
a helper. It will save you time in the long run. There must be 50 other
things you could be working on in the meantime.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wing installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Again with the office chair. (g). I was aware of Dan's measurements but
> they
> don't include the one I need...the one at the scarf joint. I appreciate
> all
> the advice I've gotten about getting X number of people to help. But it
> doesn't help me. I don't have 3 peole, I don't have 5 people (it was 5
> degrees overnight here which might explain it; this'll be an outside job).
> I
> have -- at the moment -- 1 person. I've sketched out a design for some
> castering supports in multiple locations, which gives me a little more
> flexibility than a chair. But the one measurement I need is the one I
> don't
> have.
>
> Doesn't anyone have an RV7 out there? (g)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>> See the Jan 1, 2003 entry in Dan Checkoway's site. BTW he is
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> Why are you trying to do this alone? Work on something else
> until you have
> a helper.
But....but....but....I don't WANT to.
> It will save you time in the long run. There must
> be 50 other
> things you could be working on in the meantime.
There really isn't actually. I've just kinda decided how I'm going to build
my plane and this is what I want to do at this point.
So....can I get a little help on those measurements or what?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Rudder Spar Doubler Optional Holes & Lightning Holes in General |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
Regarding lightning holes in general, just cutting the hole out does
indeed remove metal and some weight. However, if you notice most
lightning holes do have stamped or raised areas usually done with big
dies, that add some structural rigidly to the circumference immediately
around the hole. Merely cutting a hole without the stamped or pressed
(vice) hills & valleys may actually weaken the structure........
.......................................................................
....................................
Hi Mike,
If it is listed as optional to utilize lightening holes Go ahead and
remove
the material.
If You later opt for an O-320-??? with a wood prop you won't need or
want
the weight back there. Its only an ounce or two but they do add up.
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| Subject: | Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Dean,
Throw them in some penetrating oil or WD 40 and they should come back to
life.
And get that plane done. Pretty soon you will be up there trying to pass
Ryan on his RV-4 completion time.
Mike Robertson
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Resurrecting clecos
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:01:50 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
><dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>
>Dumb question I know:
>
>But...my clecos are about 10 years old now (ya I've been working on it THAT
>long). Quite a few of them do not pull back inside the body all the way and
>can no longer clamp two pieces of metal tightly together. Some I can grab
>the tangs and move back and forth a few 32nds of an inch and some
>eventually
>retract back in all the way if you leave them alone for a few minutes
>(maybe
>they just don't want to be bothered :-)). This is more of a curiosity than
>anything but....what exactly is the failure mode (I would guess rusted worn
>out springs)? and.....can they be resurrected by immersion in solvent,
>penetrating oil or some other elixir? Being the airplane needs very few
>clecos at this point it's not a big deal but after spending so much money
>on
>them it's hard to just throw tens of dollars worth of them into the trash
>can.
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>That free panel planning software is really....cool
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I lost quite a few over the 4-year build period to epoxy resin or proseal ingestion;
it's rather toxic to the poor things. MEK, applied early enough, is a fairly
good antidote.
Man, I miss those days. A high-magnitude kitchen pass to become a repeat offender
is apparently not forthcoming from the Management...
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Resurrecting clecos
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>
>Dumb question I know:
>
>But...my clecos are about 10 years old now (ya I've been working on it THAT
>long).
>
I bought my Clecoes to build a BD-5.
> Quite a few of them do not pull back inside the body all the way and
>can no longer clamp two pieces of metal tightly together.
>
I had the same problem.
> Some I can grab
>the tangs and move back and forth a few 32nds of an inch and some eventually
>retract back in all the way if you leave them alone for a few minutes (maybe
>they just don't want to be bothered :-)).
>
They do seem to have a mind of their own.
> This is more of a curiosity than
>anything but....what exactly is the failure mode (I would guess rusted worn
>out springs)?
>
I would guess that you're right!
> and.....can they be resurrected by immersion in solvent,
>penetrating oil or some other elixir?
>
I took some auto transmission fluid and soaked them. I agiated the
whole mess a few times a week for a month before working them. I
reclaimed all but a few holdouts which went in the trash.
> Being the airplane needs very few
>clecos at this point it's not a big deal but after spending so much money on
>them it's hard to just throw tens of dollars worth of them into the trash
>can.
>
You may not have a choice, but investing a little ATF was the best I
could come up with. BTW, after ten years, notice how the quantity has
dropped some??? I have this theory that missing clecoes hare been
resurrected as coat hangers in your closet. Sceptical? Bet you have
more hangars than you had 10 years ago!!!
For those of us with fairly new clecoes ..... I'd do the ATF immersion
once a year, just to keep them lubricated and free of rust. Maybe Dean
will cut open a really bad one and tell us what he finds!!! ;-)
Linn
do not archive
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>That free panel planning software is really....cool
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Carburetor dip cleaner, or paint remover will remove hardened PRC/proseal.
sportav8r@aol.com said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> I lost quite a few over the 4-year build period to epoxy resin or proseal
> ingestion; it's rather toxic to the poor things. MEK, applied early
> enough, is a fairly good antidote.
>
> Man, I miss those days. A high-magnitude kitchen pass to become a repeat
> offender is apparently not forthcoming from the Management...
>
> -Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Bob,
The exact height of the supports is unimportant. Put some padding on top
of something fairly solid and slide it toward the fuselage until it
makes contact with the underside of the wing. It's so light that you're
not going to hurt it. I was able to plug the wings in on a 6 without
help, but that was after I had help getting the wing in rough position.
It's hard to move one around by yourself. I'd think that you're asking
for a hard day if you don't have at least 1 person who can give you a
hand at least a few minutes every now and then. I'm with Dan. Work on
something else in the meantime and have a wing party later and invite
friends.
Pax and good luck,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wing installation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Again with the office chair. (g). I was aware of Dan's measurements but
they
don't include the one I need...the one at the scarf joint. I appreciate
all
the advice I've gotten about getting X number of people to help. But it
doesn't help me. I don't have 3 peole, I don't have 5 people (it was 5
degrees overnight here which might explain it; this'll be an outside
job). I
have -- at the moment -- 1 person. I've sketched out a design for some
castering supports in multiple locations, which gives me a little more
flexibility than a chair. But the one measurement I need is the one I
don't
have.
Doesn't anyone have an RV7 out there? (g)
Do Not Archive
> See the Jan 1, 2003 entry in Dan Checkoway's site. BTW he is
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| Subject: | Re: Resurrecting clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>I lost quite a few over the 4-year build period to epoxy resin or proseal
ingestion; it's rather toxic to the poor things. MEK, >applied early
enough, is a fairly good antidote.
>Man, I miss those days. A high-magnitude kitchen pass to become a repeat
offender is apparently not forthcoming from the >Management...
>-Stormy
I know what you mean on the kitchen pass. I found a way around it and have
approval to build a 3. I'm building her a bar in the family room. It's
really not a bar - just another flat place to put foo foo junk but it IS
approval. Try it.
jim
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| Subject: | Re: paint-on ceramic heat shield |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Tom,
I have used it. It is good stuff and protects from heat very well. I have built
3 of the BVM jet and those little turbines put out some serious heat...like
to the tune of 1500-1800 degree F and the fiberglass is barely even warm around
the thrust tube. Granted it is a double walled stainless tube but still, the
out wall is only 1/4" from the fiberglass in places. I am planning on useing
it around my exhaust on my RV7 when I get to that point.
Darin Hawkes
RV7 (N619PB res.)
"Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>To Tom Sargent
>
>You might try a Speed shop for this type of material. It is used on race cars
and provides a heat shield.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Nanotechnology Heat Shield |
--> RV-List message posted by: Warren Hurd <warren@ahyup.com>
I have not tried nanotechnology http://www.industrial-nanotech.com/,
however I am considering trying it for the inside of the forward
fuselage, and cowl. They have several different products. Anybody
have experience with this product?
Warren
http://ahyup.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Dear Bob: I can see you are going to do it your way damned the best advice
of experienced builders who have been there and done it already. OK. I can
appreciate someone that wants to be the one that builds the whole thing.
Having said that, Doing it yourself is an open invitation to trouble and
lost time. Your time is important too. And How much damage could one
person do if a hard to handle heavy wing slips out of your grip or critical
balance is lost? You take the risk out by using a friend or two. My best
friend and wife helped me. Not a big deal. 5 minutes. It did not
interrupt their lives much. But they are a part of the plane now. Then you
owe them, you can let them have you for pilot to take them flying later to
pay them back. If I had dropped or damaged the wing, it would probably be a
month of fixing it up. As my grandpappy used to say, "The younger one is,
the less Time is important to them." How young are you anyway?
do not archive.
Indiana Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wing installation
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Again with the office chair. (g). I was aware of Dan's measurements but
> they
> don't include the one I need...the one at the scarf joint. I appreciate
> all
> the advice I've gotten about getting X number of people to help. But it
> doesn't help me. I don't have 3 peole, I don't have 5 people (it was 5
> degrees overnight here which might explain it; this'll be an outside
> job). I
> have -- at the moment -- 1 person. I've sketched out a design for some
> castering supports in multiple locations, which gives me a little more
> flexibility than a chair. But the one measurement I need is the one I
> don't
> have.
>
> Doesn't anyone have an RV7 out there? (g)
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Jim,
You are not the only one. I don't know how "they" do it, but the idiots
that spend there time doing millicious or criminal activities never seem
to tire. So don't feel bad. In fact many months ago I got e-mails from a
member on this list. I recgonized the address. It was a clear scam. I
relpyed and asked What the?. He replied back and said, Hey it was not
me. I totally belived him. His email was hyjacked.
Any computer experts out there if you have any info on this, we would
love to hear. For me I have firewalls, anti-virus blocks and scans and
on the web I give out as little info as possible!!!!!
I also use my main email account for business / important personal
use with known trusted companies or people, ONLY. I have my forum
email address that I use on public forms and other non essential uses.
I tend to get almost no BS activity on my main account, but my public
account is attacked with Nigerian business offers and half of an estate
for a deceased person with no family in the US. Oh boy my lucky day.
I think the IDIOTS use the web and forum's, not just this one to scan for
email address's. How they can use it I don't know, but change your
password often. Also you can report them and get info on the email:
First find there IP address in the header of the e-mail (you have to click
a link to show this on the email page. Find out the provider, country of
the email)
http://www.webyield.net/domainquery.html
Report them to: Internet Fraud Complaint Center
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp
Report it to the e-mail provider
Or just ignore and delete. Remember NO legit company will ask you for
your personal info, password or account info.
Take Care George
>From: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>"RV3 list" <RV3-List@matronics.com>, "RV List"
>Subject: RV-List: list fraud
>
>Someone keeps sending me list email with my own address on it.
>The really funny thing is the messages are exactly the same as
>ones that I sent out earlier. Does anyone else have this problem
>and how did you deal with it? I'm thinking of blocking email from
>me would that >work? jim '05 HR2
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Bob
Every time I have tried to tackle the two...3...4....5....person task alone
I have either had less than good results all the way to disaster. I like you
feel that ingenuity will win the day.....BUT....noty always. Let me see
now......$5000.00 plus on the line. GET HELP
Frank @ SGU and SLC
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: wing installation
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:37:15 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Mountains out of molehills.
>
>Bob, just wait until you have a helper. Office chair, castering yadda
>yadda, it's irrelevant. You're wasting your time imho if you're gonna
>design & build some special castering support thing. Use whatever you have
>lying around. A stack of dirty laundy if that's what it comes to. With
>two
>people it's a non-event. On the RV-7, mating the wings is a simple matter
>of:
>
>- dude at the wing root guides the spar end into the slot
>- dude at the wing tip pushes, wiggles, twists the wing
>- dude at the wing root jumps inside and looks for bolt hole alignment
>- keep phenagling the wing until you can get drift pins in
>
>Why are you trying to do this alone? Work on something else until you have
>a helper. It will save you time in the long run. There must be 50 other
>things you could be working on in the meantime.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: wing installation
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> >
> > Again with the office chair. (g). I was aware of Dan's measurements but
> > they
> > don't include the one I need...the one at the scarf joint. I appreciate
> > all
> > the advice I've gotten about getting X number of people to help. But it
> > doesn't help me. I don't have 3 peole, I don't have 5 people (it was 5
> > degrees overnight here which might explain it; this'll be an outside
>job).
> > I
> > have -- at the moment -- 1 person. I've sketched out a design for some
> > castering supports in multiple locations, which gives me a little more
> > flexibility than a chair. But the one measurement I need is the one I
> > don't
> > have.
> >
> > Doesn't anyone have an RV7 out there? (g)
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >> See the Jan 1, 2003 entry in Dan Checkoway's site. BTW he is
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
> Dear Bob: I can see you are going to do it your way damned the best advice
> of experienced builders who have been there and done it already.
Well, hey, the line of superior intellects to me is over on the right.
But, seriously, I don't think there's a best way or best advice. We're free to
build our airplanes in the way we desire. The fact a best way worked for you
doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way; it means that it's the best way for
you. It's the only way you tried.
Others have posted that -- thanks to the miracles of old office chairs -- they've
been able to do this task themselves or with one other person. And that was
the best way that worked for them.
I think that's great for both of you.
And it's true there are other things I could be building at this time, but I don't
LIKE building that way. I like to follow a prescribed order and, specifically,
the order of the instruction manual. I'm more comfortable with it. It helps
me avoid missing anything and while it may be a bad case of OCD -- it's MY
OCD. It's also the way I've built the plane so far.
> person do if a hard to handle heavy wing slips out of your grip or critical
> balance is lost? You take the risk out by using a friend or two.
I can, actually, use my son...but I still want to build a couple of devices to
assist and protect.
//How young are you anyway?
I'm 52 and don't understand the relevance of the question. But I'm not under the
pressure of time that you seem to think I should be under. Part of the reason
for that is that I AM 52 and part of the reason for that is that I don't get
into the "competitive" nature of RV building. I'm here not only to build a plane,
but enjoy the journey and the process and if it takes 5,6,7 years, then it
takes 5,6 and 7 years and if my pokiness makes others feel superior and smug,
then I guess that's just an added benefit.
Oh, I'm also not a surgeon, didn't make my fortune in software, and not a trust
fund baby, didn't cash in my stock optiosn to build it, and don't intend to put
my family into debt so that _I_ can have a toy. I pay as I go and part of the
reason I may go slow is because I'm accumulating the cash for the finishing
kit so I've GOT the time to go slow. I realize that makes me a lesser builder...and,
yeah, so will the fact I won't spend $14,000 on my panel, either. I'm
a working stiff building a working stiff's airplane at a working stiff's pace.
Now, please. I beg you. Can you take a moment to drop a tape measure from the scarf
joint and tell me the distance to the belly?
I'm comfortable being a lesser builder. But I'd sure be happier with that measurement.
(g)
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| Subject: | Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
I have a couple questions:
1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for that matter)?.
My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child in the back? or
is that even possible or safe?
We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether the -7 is now going
to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just cut my losses and
sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
> It's hard to move one around by yourself. I'd think that you're asking
My plan has never been to move it around myself. Hey, do you think I moved both
wings from the garage, around to the back of the house, removed a window, and
carried it through the window into the waiting arms of the cradle in what used
to be the family room in the basement myself?(g)
I will be able to get it out of there and back into the garage myself. I just want
to build a little deal to hold it until I can put it in, and I'd like it to
be at the proper height.
I realize me building this little thing isn't anybody else's idea of a good time
or productive work but this is what I LIKE to do....putter and play. This qualifies.
Now y'all need to stop sounding like a nagging wife and give me that measurement.
(g)
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| Subject: | Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Check the archives....I believe Tim Lewis had a 6A and had pictures of his kid
in a back seat.
He may still be lurking.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Johnson <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RV-List: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? (not processed:
message from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
I have a couple questions:
1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for that matter)?.
My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child in the back? or
is that even possible or safe?
We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether the -7 is now going
to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just cut my losses and
sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Bob, why not make it a geometry exercise? Somewhere in the plans (at
least for a -6) is the dihedral angle and you can supply the distance
from the fuselage side or centerline. A little trig will give you the
rise. If trig is long forgotten, post the angle and distance and 40
people will give you the answer.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix (5.5yr & 3+ rebuild)
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> Now, please. I beg you. Can you take a moment to drop a tape
> measure from the scarf joint and tell me the distance to the belly?
>
> I'm comfortable being a lesser builder. But I'd sure be
> happier with that measurement. (g)
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
Like Bob, I'm a lesser builder, too. I started my RV-6A before Van
was pre-punching the parts. I haven't finished the wings. Like Bob,
I'm paying for it as I go, and I don't have the money for anything
beyond the parts I already own. So I'm in no rush. I've moved it
three times, building 4 different places to work on it as I go --
with the most recent build requiring building an entire garage. I
feel pretty good about that, too.
I'm also not going to win any awards for workmanship. I'm doing the
best job I can. Some of you are undoubtedly doing far better work
than I can hope to do. The former marines jet mechanic across the
street and the various other builders who stop by will help me make
sure that it's a safe airplane, and that's all that matters to me.
I'm currently going VERY slowly, because all that moving and garage
building and getting divorced and all sorts of other stuff has left
me a little unsure about my next steps. But I'm making forward
progress, in little baby steps.
Ultimately, I'll have built an airplane. Yeah, it'll take me 4 times
longer than some of you. But what percentage of the population
builds their own airplane?
Bob, thank you for making me feel better about being one of those
lesser builders.
-Joe
On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
> Oh, I'm also not a surgeon, didn't make my fortune in software, and
> not a trust fund baby, didn't cash in my stock optiosn to build it,
> and don't intend to put my family into debt so that _I_ can have a
> toy. I pay as I go and part of the reason I may go slow is because
> I'm accumulating the cash for the finishing kit so I've GOT the
> time to go slow. I realize that makes me a lesser builder...and,
> yeah, so will the fact I won't spend $14,000 on my panel, either.
> I'm a working stiff building a working stiff's airplane at a
> working stiff's pace.
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| Subject: | Re: Lesser builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
> Bob, thank you for making me feel better about being one of those
> lesser builders.
thanks, But can you hurry up and get that (*&#*(& thing built so you can give me
those dimensions? (g)
Seriously -- or perhaps not -- I let my young kids (back whent hey cared) rivet
and shoot the gun. Did I know they were going to ding it? You bet I did. So what.
They set a rivet. When they realized they set a rivet, they smiled like crazy
and they were proud. Sure, there was a smiley on it, and maybe a ding. But
so what? They set a rivet. Talk about priceless.
I have a rule for the kids in the neighborhood. Help with the airplane in any capacity
and you get a free flight when it's done. "Helping" includes pulling
a cable or shooting a rivet, even if you've never shot one before. Same thing.
I work like a house afire during the day. Always something else to do. Maybe, after
everyone's asleep, I'll sneak out to the garage and take way too much time
making a part. And for a moment, I'll feel just a bit guilty while remembering
Phil's page about maximizing productivity. But only for a moment. I'm not trying
to maximize anything.
At that time of day, you now, I just don't need another person telling me all the
stuff I have to do. IN fact, I dn't have anybody telling me anything. I can
squeeze a rivet by hand...and in the quiet of the night....I can hear the rivet
sizzle. Then I can caress the beauty of a flush head rivet. And then move
on.....eventually.
Hey, I dig the folks who like the destination and don't care about the journey.
I'm just not one of those people. I take side roads just to see where they'll
go.
Now if I could just find the road that leads to "distance between scarf joint and
belly skin" Lane.... (g)
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| Subject: | Re: wing installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>
> Bob, why not make it a geometry exercise? Somewhere in the plans (at
> least for a -6) is the dihedral angle and you can supply the distance
> from the fuselage side or centerline. A little trig will give you the
> rise. If trig is long forgotten, post the angle and distance and 40
> people will give you the answer.
You know how I always point out I flunked shop in high school. I was better in
shop than I was i trig. (g)
But, yeah, I thought of that this afternoon as I realized how hard it was going
to be to get the information.
Does Matronics host a trig group?(g)
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| Subject: | Re: Lesser builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I don't believe there is a lesser builder. I feel that we are superior builders
inasmuchas we have to be more reourceful. I took 5 years to build my aircraft
and built a house and hangar in there. Actually. I'll bet we are the majority.
I look down my nose at people who hire pros to build their airplane and
then strut around with trophies. Mine has a lot of flaws but I BUILT IT.
see it at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jlanglin44
jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim <n144hr@earthlink.net>
Geez guys I'm sorry - it was supposed to be humor. I thought there might be a
setting that would stop my posts from returning to me. I really apologize.
jim
-----Original Message-----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: list fraud
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Jim,
You are not the only one. I don't know how "they" do it, but the idiots
that spend there time doing millicious or criminal activities never seem
to tire. So don't feel bad. In fact many months ago I got e-mails from a
member on this list. I recgonized the address. It was a clear scam. I
relpyed and asked What the?. He replied back and said, Hey it was not
me. I totally belived him. His email was hyjacked.
Any computer experts out there if you have any info on this, we would
love to hear. For me I have firewalls, anti-virus blocks and scans and
on the web I give out as little info as possible!!!!!
I also use my main email account for business / important personal
use with known trusted companies or people, ONLY. I have my forum
email address that I use on public forms and other non essential uses.
I tend to get almost no BS activity on my main account, but my public
account is attacked with Nigerian business offers and half of an estate
for a deceased person with no family in the US. Oh boy my lucky day.
I think the IDIOTS use the web and forum's, not just this one to scan for
email address's. How they can use it I don't know, but change your
password often. Also you can report them and get info on the email:
First find there IP address in the header of the e-mail (you have to click
a link to show this on the email page. Find out the provider, country of
the email)
http://www.webyield.net/domainquery.html
Report them to: Internet Fraud Complaint Center
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp
Report it to the e-mail provider
Or just ignore and delete. Remember NO legit company will ask you for
your personal info, password or account info.
Take Care George
>From: "Jim" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>"RV3 list" <RV3-List@matronics.com>, "RV List"
>Subject: RV-List: list fraud
>
>Someone keeps sending me list email with my own address on it.
>The really funny thing is the messages are exactly the same as
>ones that I sent out earlier. Does anyone else have this problem
>and how did you deal with it? I'm thinking of blocking email from
>me would that >work? jim '05 HR2
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| Subject: | Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
Your wife's concern for hearing protection is valid IMHO. My kids flew
with me occasionally when they were young, starting from babies held in
my wife's lap (they're now 19 thru 25). If they are going to fly
occasionally (a few times per year) it's probably not a big deal. Any
regular exposure to the noise levels in our aircraft warrant protection
- and that's tough to do with kids. First getting something the right
size, and then getting them to actually wear it.
A car seat in the back is certainly possible, and properly restrained
probably as safe as the other seats for all practical purposes. Whether
it's legal is another question. The regulations allow car seats to be
strapped into a seat with a seat belt - no provision for strapping it
into a baggage area (but no explicit exclusion either). You'd have to
secure it in the manner specified by the manufacturer - which means
installing a seat belt in the baggage area which emulates how it would
be strapped into a seat. A call to the local FSDO might not be a bad
idea, and maybe your insurance company.
Of course, once the child turns 2 he/she must be in a seat with a seat
belt (with or without a car seat).
How often do you think you'll want/need to take the whole family flying?
Will the trips be short/local or X-C? As usual, once the mission is
defined, the vehicle to meet the criteria can be selected. Once you
realize how much stuff you carry around with kids you'll be eyeing
Cessna Caravans :-)
Dennis Glaeser
7A Wings done - fuselage coming...
--------------------------------------------
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com
I have a couple questions:
1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for
that matter)?.
My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child
in the back? or
is that even possible or safe?
We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether
the -7 is now going
to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just
cut my losses and
sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
- Matt
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message from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Matt,
I have two kids (4 and 1 1/2 years) and am building a 7. Before this, I had a
Kitfox Model III and my 4 year old loved that thing more than life itself. He
first flew in it when he was 3. I was not able to get a car seat in it as it
was too large to fit (I don't know about the RV, a small seat may fit but I think
your kids feet would be all over the panel). I simply added some removable
seat padding (raised him up so the shoulder harnesses were more effective)
and then buckled him in the 4 point harness. I never took the 1 1/2 year old
flying as I think he is too young to know not to touch certain things.
As far as building the 7 vs. the 10...I guess it is all about economics. I would
love a 10 but the extra costs make it not feasible at the moment. Besides,
I live by the 80/20 rule which simply put is buy (or build) an airplane that
meets your need 80% of the time. For the other 20% you can rent. In my case,
and in the case of most of my pilot friends, we fly alone or with one other person
90% of the time. So, in short, my 7 will be perfect for me and for that
rare time when the whole family wants to go, we will rent a 182 or go commercial.
Keep building the 7.
Darin Hawkes
RV7 (N619PB res.)
"Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
>I have a couple questions:
>
>1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for that matter)?.
My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
>
>2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child in the back? or
is that even possible or safe?
>
>We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether the -7 is now going
to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
>year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just cut my losses and
sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
>
>- Matt
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net
Matt,
Forgot the hearing protection question...My 4 year old used one of my DC headsets.
I found that you can adjust the size to fit all but the smallest person in
the world. They also make some youth sized headsets but like I said, the DC
works fine and I had an extra. If you are flying with a baby, obviously they
probably won't leave a headset on their head and they may fit into the category
of "smallest person". My friend flys his 182 with his boy and has been flying
with him since he was a baby. He would simply pad around his head and ears
to try to minimize the noise. I don't know how well it protected but his boy
would sleep for hours during flights.
Darin
"Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com> wrote:
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>
>I have a couple questions:
>
>1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for that matter)?.
My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
>
>2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child in the back? or
is that even possible or safe?
>
>We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether the -7 is now going
to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
>year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just cut my losses and
sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
>
>- Matt
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
That is a good idea. As for your question about the flights, I would say the average
flight time would be 45 min to 1 hour.
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Is it a bad idea for babies to fly in RV's??
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A"
> <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
> Your wife's concern for hearing protection is valid IMHO. My kids flew
> with me occasionally when they were young, starting from babies held in
> my wife's lap (they're now 19 thru 25). If they are going to fly
> occasionally (a few times per year) it's probably not a big deal. Any
> regular exposure to the noise levels in our aircraft warrant protection
> - and that's tough to do with kids. First getting something the right
> size, and then getting them to actually wear it.
>
> A car seat in the back is certainly possible, and properly restrained
> probably as safe as the other seats for all practical purposes.
> Whether
> it's legal is another question. The regulations allow car seats to be
> strapped into a seat with a seat belt - no provision for strapping it
> into a baggage area (but no explicit exclusion either). You'd have to
> secure it in the manner specified by the manufacturer - which means
> installing a seat belt in the baggage area which emulates how it would
> be strapped into a seat. A call to the local FSDO might not be a bad
> idea, and maybe your insurance company.
>
> Of course, once the child turns 2 he/she must be in a seat with a seat
> belt (with or without a car seat).
>
> How often do you think you'll want/need to take the whole family
> flying?
> Will the trips be short/local or X-C? As usual, once the mission is
> defined, the vehicle to meet the criteria can be selected. Once you
> realize how much stuff you carry around with kids you'll be eyeing
> Cessna Caravans :-)
>
> Dennis Glaeser
> 7A Wings done - fuselage coming...
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com
>
> I have a couple questions:
>
> 1. When is a child old enough to fly in an RV (or any plane for
> that matter)?.
> My wife is concerned about hearing protection for the child.
>
> 2. Has anyone modified a -7 or -6 for a carseat to hold a child
> in the back? or
> is that even possible or safe?
>
> We are having a baby in 5 weeks and am concerned about whether
> the -7 is now going
> to work for our new family of 3. I still have another
> year and a half to go till completion of the -7. Should I just
> cut my losses and
> sell the -7 now (at fuse stage) and start on a -10?
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesser builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Here here!!!
RHDudley
-6A flying (5Yr)
Do not archive
Jim wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>
>I don't believe there is a lesser builder. I feel that we are superior builders
inasmuchas we have to be more reourceful. I took 5 years to build my aircraft
and built a house and hangar in there. Actually. I'll bet we are the majority.
I look down my nose at people who hire pros to build their airplane and
then strut around with trophies. Mine has a lot of flaws but I BUILT IT.
>
>see it at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jlanglin44
>
>jim
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Open Insurance LSA question |
"rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>, <zenith-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
What is the latest on obtaining insurance for LSA pilots using only a
current drivers license for a medical. Thinking of waiting for RV-12 or
starting on a 601XL. Would like to do Young Eagle flights etc but also need
total package of flight insurance to rent a hanger, getting a finishing loan
etc. Private ticket, current in several types w/o going thru the class 3
hoops every time.
KABONG Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lesser builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Builders are builders! Some people have all the free time in the world others do
not. Let's support everyone. I happen to be one of the "poboys" trying to complete
a second project. The cash can't come fast enough.
Darrell
do not archive
Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley
Here here!!!
RHDudley
-6A flying (5Yr)
Do not archive
Jim wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jim
>
>I don't believe there is a lesser builder. I feel that we are superior builders
inasmuchas we have to be more reourceful. I took 5 years to build my aircraft
and built a house and hangar in there. Actually. I'll bet we are the majority.
I look down my nose at people who hire pros to build their airplane and then
strut around with trophies. Mine has a lot of flaws but I BUILT IT.
>
>see it at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jlanglin44
>
>jim
>
>
>
>
Darrell
RV7A - 622DR Reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
I have been flying with my kids in my RV-4 for 6 years now, they are 10, 12,
and 14.
I had a set of the little kids headsets for them and they never did like
them. Until recently they always used LightSpeed headsets. The large ear
cushions on the LightSpeed headsets seemed to work very good for them. After
spending the last 3 years at Oshkosh working in our booth they discovered that
Bose has free pop in their booth and guess what? Now the LightSpeed headsets
hurt their heads and only the Bose Headsets will possibly do.
Now the hard decision..
We have an RV-4 and are building a RV-10. I have flown a number of times 3
different RV-10's and it is a great plane and I can't wait to finish mine.
For the pure joy of flying nothing I have ever flown can touch the RV-4. I
just got back from flying over to the airport to get my flight Physical, of
course I had to check what the earth looked like upside down and make sure
that the runway was clear before I landed :) After a busy day at work it is
amazing what a 30 minute flight can do for your stress level.
If you want an airplane for traveling with 2 or more people start the RV-10,
if you want a plane for mostly just flying around finish the RV-7.
My neighbor sold his Lancair 320 last year and purchased a Bonanza for
hauling his two kids along. The kids almost never fly in it and he really misses
his Lancair, this month is annual time for it so that should be even more fun.
When I actually finish the RV-10 and my wife says one must go....
I am really going to miss her.
Rob Hickman
N401RH RV-4
#40204 RV-10 Under Construction.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spar Doubler Optional Holes & Lightning Holes in General |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 11/17/2005 8:12:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
pcondon@mitre.org writes:
Regarding lightning holes in general, just cutting the hole out does
indeed remove metal and some weight.
I prefer that lightning stay inside the clouds and outside of my plane. I
won't be drilling any holes to let it in.
Do not archive.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 768hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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