---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/22/05: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: 6A with AFP - looking for potential exhaust systems (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 04:44 AM - looking for potential exhaust systems (Glen Matejcek) 3. 07:41 AM - polished/painted airplane pics (Evan and Megan Johnson) 4. 09:00 AM - Re: polished/painted airplane pics (Walter Tondu) 5. 09:24 AM - Re:6A with AFP - looking for potential exhaust systems (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 6. 09:35 AM - Parts for sale (Al Grajek) 7. 10:17 AM - Re: Dynon Failure ModeDynon Failure Mode (Brad Gould) 8. 10:19 AM - He Said, She Said... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 9. 11:20 AM - 2" ID firesleeve? (Mickey Coggins) 10. 11:37 AM - Re: 2" ID firesleeve? (Neil) 11. 11:37 AM - Interesting Link (I know where you are?) (RobHickman@aol.com) 12. 11:45 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode (Chuck Weyant) 13. 12:05 PM - Re: 2" ID firesleeve? (Kelly McMullen) 14. 12:12 PM - Tip Light Indicators (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 15. 01:06 PM - Re: 2" ID firesleeve? (Richard Tasker) 16. 01:59 PM - Re: 2" ID firesleeve? (Mickey Coggins) 17. 02:51 PM - FW: RV-9A: Relationship between top cowl and prop spinner back-plate (John Danielson) 18. 04:26 PM - Re: fumoto T202N (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 19. 04:53 PM - Re: Parts for sale (William Gill) 20. 05:59 PM - Re: 2" ID firesleeve? (Brett Hahn) 21. 06:40 PM - Re: Paint scheme question (DWAIN HARRIS) 22. 07:58 PM - Dimpled skin and clecos (gerns25@netscape.net) 23. 08:31 PM - Re: Dimpled skin and clecos (Greg@itmack) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:04 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: 6A with AFP - looking for potential exhaust systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Alex, Does your AFP injection system come out of the bottom of the sump - a la carburetor replacement? I have seen some that look like they come out of the front of the sump. Looks like Mr Vetterman has his stuff together....... Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Alex Peterson Subject: RE: RV-List: 6A with AFP - looking for potential exhaust systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > > Fellow listers, > > Anyone out there with a 6A and AFP injection - what did you > use for exhaust systems > > Thanks, > Ralph Capen Vetterman crossover - no parts even close. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 691 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:29 AM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: looking for potential exhaust systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi Ralph- looking for potential exhaust systems Fellow listers, Anyone out there with a 6A and AFP injection - what did you use for exhaust systems Thanks, Ralph Capen You might try FORSLING AVIATION (JOHN) 303-841-6054 CUSTOM EXHAUST SYSTEMS Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:58 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: RV-List: polished/painted airplane pics --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" I spent the weekend going though tons of RV websites looking for polished planes.....found very few. Just wondering if any of you guys can narrow the search for me. I just wanted to get some pictures to use as inspiration for paint schemes. There was an RV 8 I saw at Vans homecoming last year that was red on the front and had a polished tailcone...very pretty. Also for those who have not seen it check the link below to a picture of Jon Scholl's paint job.......its in the completions section on Vans site. http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/first_flight/Scholl_lg.jpg Too cool, but maybe bad Ju Ju :) Thanks...Evan do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:55 AM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: polished/painted airplane pics --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu On 11/22 7:56, Evan and Megan Johnson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" > > I spent the weekend going though tons of RV websites looking for polished planes.....found very few. Just wondering if any of you guys can narrow the search for me. I just wanted to get some pictures to use as inspiration for paint schemes. There was an RV 8 I saw at Vans homecoming last year that was red on the front and had a polished tailcone...very pretty. Also for those who have not seen it check the link below to a picture of Jon Scholl's paint job.......its in the completions section on Vans site. http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/first_flight/Scholl_lg.jpg Too cool, but maybe bad Ju Ju :) I saved a bunch of images that I liked that were half paint half polished aluminum, they can be found here. http://www.rv7-a.com/paintschemes -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:02 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:6A with AFP - looking for potential exhaust systems --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com -6a, Superior XP-IO360 with horizontal induction. Vetterman exhaust, one of the few items that fit perfectly out of the box. Might fly soon, and will give report. This system has 2" outlets. We also have his crossover unit on a flying -6a/Lyc 360, and zero problems at 400 hrs. Jerry Cochran Wilsonville, OR Fellow listers, Anyone out there with a 6A and AFP injection - what did you use for exhaust systems Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:07 AM PST US From: "Al Grajek" Subject: RV-List: Parts for sale INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0406 1.0000 -3.9094 --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" In cleaning out the hangar for my new project, I have some parts for sale: Vans EGT guage, new in box, $30(new from Vans, $44) Electric Turn coordinator,lighted, like brand new, yellow tag $200 VAL Avionics INS422, Integrated Nav system- LOC/GS, LOC,VOR plus 3 light marker. see at valavionics.com. $1400 includes all antennas. Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com 859-361-9460 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:55 AM PST US From: Brad Gould Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure ModeDynon Failure Mode --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Gould I wonder whether a metal airplane like the RVs would have been as affected by lighting as the Lancair. Has any RV been hit by lightning? Brad Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Just got back from a weeks vacation and one of my hanger neighbors told me of a Lancair hangered across from RV9A who was possibly hit by static discharge (lightning) while hard IFR. The Dynon failed including a separate buss electrical backup system. Fortunately, the backup came back online in ten or fifteen seconds and he was able to descend out of the layer two or three minutes later nose down and in a thirty degree bank. He said he attributes being here today by just finishing a course with Flight Safety recently. He's also purpertedly to have said he's installing a new vaccum backup system. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:13 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: RV-List: He Said, She Said... --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, I've been getting some great feedback from Listers lately along with their List Contributions. I thought I share a few more of the nice thoughts people have had regarding the what the Lists mean to them. Please take a minute right now and make a Contribution to support these Lists. Remember that its solely *your* generosity that keeps them running and without your support they would cease to exist. The Contribution web site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics List Administrator ====================== What Listers Are Saying #3 ====================== This is a great deal for aviation info/entertainment. Christopher R. Truly a great source of help and information. Eddie S. I couldn't imagine building my RV-7A without the 'net and your lists! Sebastian T. Great lists! Corey C. Where would I be without the list? George R. What a resource! Clay K. Great service. Martin H. [The List] has such a wealth of information. David N. A great resource for builders and flyers. Gregg W. I enjoy the Lists. Gene S. A great source of information. Richard N. This is a great service. Ralph C. Great service. Richard N. Great resource! John T. Very helpfull & we appreciate all your efforts. Stan B. 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Between the archives, the folks that have already done it, and the rest of us currently building - I think every tidbit of knowledge is available to get/keep us in the air. Ralph C. ====================== What Listers Are Saying #3 ====================== do not archive -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:25 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi, Anyone know where I can get some 2" ID firesleeve? This is a bit larger than all the usual suspects seem to stock. I've tried Sacramento, Wicks, and Spruce. Perhaps if I knew the "generic" name for firesleeve I could find some at McMaster.com. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:54 AM PST US From: "Neil" Subject: Re: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil" You could try ; http://www.lightaero.co.uk/ Neil. > Anyone know where I can get some 2" ID firesleeve? > > This is a bit larger than all the usual suspects > seem to stock. I've tried Sacramento, Wicks, and > Spruce. > > Perhaps if I knew the "generic" name for firesleeve > I could find some at McMaster.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:54 AM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Interesting Link (I know where you are?) --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com _http://flightaware.com/live/special/N225GV/N225GV_movie.rvt_ (http://flightaware.com/live/special/N225GV/N225GV_movie.rvt) _http://flightaware.com/_ (http://flightaware.com/) After the big new event of yesterday, Nike jet with landing gear problems I was amazed what you could actually find out about a plane. Try this link and start putting in your favorite N numbers. do not archive Rob Hickman ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:23 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" Okay, got the rest of the story. ALL electrical failed. The wife in the right seat said she heard a loud pop (thought it might be lightning --- it wasn't) then all the electrical went out. Upon landing they noticed that some of the paint from the leading edge of the wings had been blown off. They're thinking that since there were no electrical discharge wicks installed (This is a turbine Lancair) the static electricty built up on the airframe and nearly catastrophically discharged to the atmosphere. I guess this is important to plastic airplanes? I guess the moral of this story is to make doubly sure all safety aspects to our building are adhered too. You never know what seemingly insignificant gremlin is waiting to screw up your day. RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" > > Don't know all the particulars --- just heard about it second party > yesterday. Should have more info this afternoon. I didn't ask your > questions in particular, but it sounded like electrical continued to > function, just EFIS and elecrical backup flight instruments went down. > However, I do have a call through to the fellow that told me about the > incident and I may run into Lancair pilot next day or two for a first hand > account. I'll post as new info comes in. > Chuck > >> >> Chuck >> >> Very interested in the failure mode from the lightening. From your >> comment, it was apparent that the EFIS went down. However, did the >> plane lose ALL electrical, did the A/P not stay on, and if not, what is >> it reliant on that failed? Other electrical equipment stay up? Curious >> if a Mid-Continental AI (with battery back up) would have stayed up. >> I'm sure everyone would be very interested in a forensic analysis of >> what did, and what didn't happen. It is certainly a topical issue with >> all the all-electrics being put in the air. >> >> Chuck >> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" >> >> Just got back from a weeks vacation and one of my hanger neighbors told >> me >> of a Lancair hangered across from RV9A who was possibly hit by static >> discharge (lightning) while hard IFR. The Dynon failed including a >> separate >> buss electrical backup system. Fortunately, the backup came back online >> in >> ten or fifteen seconds and he was able to descend out of the layer two >> or >> three minutes later nose down and in a thirty degree bank. He said he >> attributes being here today by just finishing a course with Flight >> Safety >> recently. He's also purpertedly to have said he's installing a new >> vaccum >> backup system. >> >>> Alex, >>> >>> Everyone can agree that all of the EFIS have had some teething issues, >>> some more than others. But if we consider all the instruments and >>> systems a single EFIS/EIS replaces, or never were even available >> before, >>> it would seem that the 'inop rate' is actually very low, especially >> for >>> a sophisticated, complex instrument right out of the gate. If we >>> tallied all the problems that we would have with the old individual >>> instruments, I'm guessing the total would be significantly greater >> than >>> what is seen with these new electronic systems. It gets noticed more >>> when all the malfunctions that could possibly happen show up in one >>> instruments...it may seem like a lot but doubt that it really is. >>> >>> Heck, the eInstruments for GA have only had 2-3 real years to sort >>> things out. The aircraft industry has been perfecting the vacuum pump >>> and instruments for decades and they still crap out with frustrating >>> regularity, so I think we're making progress. >>> >>> Chuck >>> Dual GRT EFIS (and satisfied with 'em) >>> >>> Larry, sorry you are having troubles with the Dynon. >>> >>> While we can't possibly know what the failure rate for this system (or >>> any >>> other new EFIS) is yet, we must be humble to how difficult it is to >>> design a >>> device of this complexity with minimal failure potentials. >>> >>> I'm sure this will bring on the torches, but we seem to be in a period >>> right >>> now where there are more problems with the new EFIS systems than with >>> the >>> ancient mechanical systems they are replacing. This will change, of >>> course, >>> but be aware that this is often the nature of new technology. There >> are >>> no >>> free lunches. >>> >>> Alex Peterson > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? From: "Kelly McMullen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" I'd go directly to an aircraft hose vendor, such as Precision Hose Technology: http://www.aircrafthose.com/hosefssize.htm do not archive Mickey Coggins said: > Anyone know where I can get some 2" ID firesleeve? > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:10 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Tip Light Indicators --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy List- Occasionally one of my brain farts turns into something I think is pretty cool and I'd feel bad if I didn't share with y'all- if you don't like the little plexiglass blades (or other means) of telling if your tip lights are on, here's something that is embarrassingly cheap and easy to do- see: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7883 Have fun! From The PossumWorks in TN Mark -6A N51PW, 250 hours ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:46 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker High-Temperature Silicone-Coated Fiberglass Sleeving - Page 713 of the Mcmaster-Carr catalog (online). Dick Mickey Coggins wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > >Hi, > >Anyone know where I can get some 2" ID firesleeve? > >This is a bit larger than all the usual suspects >seem to stock. I've tried Sacramento, Wicks, and >Spruce. > >Perhaps if I knew the "generic" name for firesleeve >I could find some at McMaster.com. > >Thanks, >Mickey > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:15 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins That's exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks Dick. > High-Temperature Silicone-Coated Fiberglass Sleeving - Page 713 of the > Mcmaster-Carr catalog (online). > >>Perhaps if I knew the "generic" name for firesleeve >>I could find some at McMaster.com. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:59 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: FW: RV-List: RV-9A: Relationship between top cowl and prop spinner back-plate --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" John L. Danielson 307-266-2524 johnd@wlcwyo.com WLC, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: John Danielson [mailto:johnd@wlcwyo.com] Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9A: Relationship between top cowl and prop spinner back-plate Here is how I solved my problem. I glassed the intersection fairing to both the fuselage and the cowl, while the cowl was attached to the plane. Then using a dremel tool with a cut-off wheel, I sliced the intersection fairing at an angle that matches the landing gear legs. I then glassed small strips of fiberglass to the inside of the intersection fairing that remained on the fueslage, protruding out so as to be under the intersection fairing that is attached to cowling. This stops the wind from getting under the intersection fairing that is attached to the fuselage. Send me an e-mail and I will send you a photo. John L. Danielson RV-6 Sold Harmon Rocket -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-9A: Relationship between top cowl and prop spinner back-plate --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-9A: Relationship between top cowl and prop spinner back-plate > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/21/2005 5:13:09 PM Central Standard Time, > kboatright1@comcast.net writes: > If > you do fill the gap, the already tough chore of getting the bottom cowl > on/off is going to become a genuine nightmare. >>>> > > Don't understand- mine is a fairly consistent 4-5 mm gap, and lower cowl > deplanes quite easily- I even quit putting protective tape on the fuse and > cowl to > protect from damage and have only minor difficulty clearing the inlet > seals- > helluva slot for the sissygearleg, but pretty much a yawner to get the > bottom > cowl off........... > > Mark Phillips -6A, N51PW (PossumWorks in TN) > > archive this? well, maybe........................... A little back and forth, eh? ;-) This may be another difference between the nosewheel and tailwheel versions. On my tailwheel -6 the landing gear fairings make it impossible to remove the lower cowl by dropping it vertically. To remove the lower cowl, I pull the fasteners, then the cowl will drop an inch or so. At that point, the aft edge is resting on the gear leg fairings and the front is captured by the spinner, with a soft rag between the spinner and cowl. I use the ledge where the aft cowl rests as a hinge point of sorts to lower the front of the cowl (you've gotta flex it to clear the spinner). Once the front of the cowl is free and clear of the spinner, I slide the entire cowl forward and off of the gear leg fairing/hinge points to free it. Doable with 2 hands, preferable to have a helper. KB ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:41 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: fumoto T202N --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) shucks, mine clearly has T202 & F 34 stamped on it and on the bag it came in it is listed as NPT 1/2 -14 T202N and the hangar crowd all agree it's not NPT threading. And darn if I can use it - it sure looks better than the more expensive one I ended up using :-) I'll bet if I tried it, it would work even if threads on it don't exactly match the taper of the square plug I removed.... lucky -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > In a message dated 11/9/2005 8:54:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > luckymacy@comcast.net writes: > > I purchased the T202N. I couldn't use it because in my IO 360 a1b6d > installation because there's not enough clearance between the drain handle and > an > air intake pipe to thread the darn thing on. So I traded with another RVer > for his spare aeroequip quick drain. He ended up not wanting it because it > didn't appear to be a true pipe thread and it was also slightly over .5 inch > diameter. He didn't even bother to try and thread it on. > > When you compare it to the standard plug, there was no taper to the 202Ns > threads. It was constant diameter all the to the first thread. Did anyone > else notice that? > > > ================================ > > Then you must have received a mis-marked one from Fumoto. The threads on > mine (circa 1997) are clearly national pipe threads (tapered) and the valve > body tightened perfectly in the Lycoming sump. > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 767hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > shucks, mine clearly has T202 F 34 stamped on it and on the bag it came in it is listed as NPT 1/2 -14 T202N and the hangar crowd all agree it's not NPT threading. And darn if I can use it- it sure looks better than the more expensive one I ended up using :-) I'll bet if I tried it, it would work even if threads on it don't exactly match the taper of the square plug I removed.... lucky -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 11/9/2005 8:54:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: I purchased the T202N. I couldn't use it because in my IO 360 a1b6d installation because there's not enough clearance between the drain handle and an air intake pipe to thread the darn thing on. So I traded with another RVer for his spare aeroequip quick drain. He ended up not wanting it because it didn't appear to be a true pipe thread and it was also slightly over .5 inch diameter. He didn't even bother to try and thread it on. When you compare it to the standard plug, there was no taper to the 202Ns threads. It was constant diameter all the to the firs t thread. Did anyone else notice that? ================================ Then you must have received a mis-marked one from Fumoto. The threads on mine (circa 1997) are clearly national pipe threads (tapered) and the valve body tightened perfectly in the Lycoming sump. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 767hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) builtHELP www.homebuilthelp.com! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:29 PM PST US From: "William Gill" Subject: RE: RV-List: Parts for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" Al, Is the TC for an 8 degree panel? Bill Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Grajek rv8list@yahoogroups.com Subject: RV-List: Parts for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" In cleaning out the hangar for my new project, I have some parts for sale: Vans EGT guage, new in box, $30(new from Vans, $44) Electric Turn coordinator,lighted, like brand new, yellow tag $200 VAL Avionics INS422, Integrated Nav system- LOC/GS, LOC,VOR plus 3 light marker. see at valavionics.com. $1400 includes all antennas. Al Grajek algrajek@msn.com 859-361-9460 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:48 PM PST US From: "Brett Hahn" Subject: Re: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Hahn" "Firesleeve" is a silicone/fiberglass covering that is used to protect hydraulic hoses from heat ( good to about 500 degrees F) in industrial settings. In the US it can be purchased from Motion Industries. They have a branch in most major cities. It comes in a variety of sizes and can be bought by the foot. www.firesleeve.com/ www.racerpartswholesale.com/aero6.htm www.hosexpress.com/hydraulic/accessories/624.htm Ciao, Brett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Coggins" Subject: RV-List: 2" ID firesleeve? > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > Hi, > > Anyone know where I can get some 2" ID firesleeve? > > This is a bit larger than all the usual suspects > seem to stock. I've tried Sacramento, Wicks, and > Spruce. > > Perhaps if I knew the "generic" name for firesleeve > I could find some at McMaster.com. > > Thanks, > Mickey > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 finishing > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:40 PM PST US From: "DWAIN HARRIS" Subject: Re: RV-List: Paint scheme question --> RV-List message posted by: "DWAIN HARRIS" Doug I'm a FORD man and painted my 6 Ford Lapis Blue. I do notice the fuel in the tanks seem to expanded on those hot days. Keep the fuel level below the filler neck if you plan on parking your plane outside for a while. Dwain Harris N164DH Tehachapi, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Medema To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Paint scheme question --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Medema" > If you looked at my website after my previous post, you know I'm seriously contemplating painting my plane a dark blue (actually Chevrolet Indigo Blue like on my TrailBlazer.) I know a dark colored car can get very hot inside but am wondering if it makes much difference on an RV. We have the clear canopy and mine already has a black glareshield. The only area in the cockpit that would be affected is the area over the back of the baggage compartment. So, any of you that have dark paint on the top -- does your cockpit get really hot in the sun, or do you think it is about the same as a lighter color? Thanks, Doug Medema RV-6A N276DM down for 2nd condition inspection. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:26 PM PST US From: gerns25@netscape.net Subject: RV-List: Dimpled skin and clecos --> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net I checked the archives for information on this subject but found none. The problem I am having is this: While building the Horiz. stabilizer I have found that after dimpling the skin and the ribs, the 3/32" clecos don't hold for anything...the spring in the skin pulls them out of 90% of the holes. I match drilled all the flush rivets using the #40 bit and dimpled everything using the 3/32" dimple die set. The holes are just a hair too large for the clecos. Has anyone else had this problem? Another thing, it seems as though this only happens in the ribs (thinner material), the rear and forward spar don't have the problem. I dimpled this stuff with my pneumatic squeezer if that makes a difference. I know there is not a whole lot I can to about it now but can someone give me some advice for the future skins? Darin Hawkes RV7 Empennage N619PB reserved Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:54 PM PST US From: "Greg@itmack" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpled skin and clecos --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" Darin, occasionally I had that problem but it would only be about 1% of the holes. Dimpling definitely makes the hole larger though. Are you using tank dimple dies from Cleveland, they will make a larger hole? Greg RV8 > > I checked the archives for information on this subject but found none. The problem I am having is this: > > While building the Horiz. stabilizer I have found that after dimpling the skin and the ribs, the 3/32" clecos don't hold for anything...the spring in the skin pulls them out of 90% of the holes. I match drilled all the flush rivets using the #40 bit and dimpled everything using the 3/32" dimple die set. The holes are just a hair too large for the clecos. Has anyone else had this problem? Another thing, it seems as though this only happens in the ribs (thinner material), the rear and forward spar don't have the problem. I dimpled this stuff with my pneumatic squeezer if that makes a difference. I know there is not a whole lot I can to about it now but can someone give me some advice for the future skins? > > Darin Hawkes > RV7 Empennage > N619PB reserved > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com > >