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1. 04:20 AM - Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter ()
2. 05:47 AM - Re: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines (Randy Utsey)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Printer labels with white ink (Steve Struyk)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: Dimpled skin and clecos (Bob Collins)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines (linn walters)
6. 06:15 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (David Burton)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Larry Pardue)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Larry Pardue)
9. 07:53 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Vincent Osburn)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Ralph Howey)
11. 10:31 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Ed Holyoke)
12. 11:14 AM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (Chuck Jensen)
13. 11:58 AM - Venturi and Drag ? (Trevor Mills)
14. 12:08 PM - Re: Venturi and Drag ? (linn walters)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: [SPAM] Re: Dimpled skin and clecos (gerns25@netscape.net)
16. 02:24 PM - Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter (bertrv6@highstream.net)
17. 09:30 PM - Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines (Glen Matejcek)
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Considering what's the best way to get around after landing. From my research
between folding bikes, gas go-peds and elect scooters the winner seems to
be the folding Bike. The question is what brand, model and where to buy. I want
something that is light (20lbs or less) and compact (fit in a RV7 slider).
Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back compartment?
Here are some examples: (Price from $300-$1,000)
http://www.dahon.com/prestolite.htm
http://www.dahon.com/folding-bicycles-us-alpha.htm
Go-ped / gas scooters don't seem to be a good choices from what I heard. They are
very loud and attract a lot of unwanted attention and many places outlaw them.
Also the small wheels get caught in cracks, not to mention dealing with a
gas/oil tank in the cockpit. Semi-dangerous, but looking for input.
Electric scooters are too heavy (+40lbs) and have limited range. That leaves Bikes.
The big down side of the folding bikes is the cost. The quality light weight
ones are expensive. Unless the technology catches up this does not seem practical.
Any comments welcomed. Experiences good bad?
Thanks George
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| Subject: | Re: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Utsey" <djdist@bellsouth.net>
I'm thinking about the same engine with maybe the Fadec option and trying to
decide if its worth the extra cost!
Randy Utsey
D.J. Distributing Co.
1429 Bryant St.
Charlotte, NC 28208
800-585-4126
djdist@bellsouth.net
www.djdist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Enos II" <rje2@charter.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Enos II" <rje2@charter.net>
>
> I recently picked up my TMX IO360 from Mattituck who were great to deal
> with. With the Horiz. induction the air charge does not pass thru the hot
> oil in the sump
> therefore the air is colder resulting in greater performance. Give Mahlon
> a
> call at Mattituck he sure knows his stuff.
>
> Rob Enos
> Westport, MA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>>
>> I'm at the engine selection stage of my -8A QB project. Pretty much
>> decided on a new IO-360. I've been very impressed by Vans, Superior and
>> Aerosport regarding engine options and customer support, but still have
>> an unanswered question:
>>
>>
>> Are there any performance / reliability differences between horizontal
>> and vertical induction engines?
>>
>>
>> So far the only answers I've gotten have to do with aesthetics -
>> removing the scoop - which begs the question: Is the aesthetic value of
>> a horizontal induction engine worth the $1800 jump in price (Aerosport)?
>> Seems to me there has to be other factors, but so far I haven't been
>> smart enough to figure them out.
>>
>>
>> I'm leaning toward Aerosport - dealing with them just feels right.
>> Anyone have any goods or others comments on their Great White North
>> experiences?
>>
>> Paul Valovich
>>
>> "Booger"
>>
>> Ridgecrest, CA
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Printer labels with white ink |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
Jim,
Go to your local Office Depot or similar store and look at the Brother Label
makers. They are available in several models and all have the ability to
change the size of the tape, fonts, color of the tape (including clear) and
color of the ink.
It's one of the things I wish I had purchased early in the project. It's
great for labeling your parts drawers, wires, and yes one's panel if you
wish. True, the clear tape is slightly visible around the edges of the print
but I found on my panel, also gray, it's not that big a deal. Just my two
cents worth.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, N842S
St. Charles, MO
Final inspection next Wednesday!
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Subject: RV-List: Printer labels with white ink
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> I have a medium grey panel and need white letters on clear labels to note
> functions. Who makes a white ink cartridge for what printer so I can
> make some labels?
>
>
> Jim Nelson
> RV9-A (wiring done, on to the canopy)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpled skin and clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Have you tried putting a "4" rivet in those holes to see how it fits. If it
fits, the problem ain't the clecos. And is their fit consistent with the
neighboring holes. And does EVERY cleco behave the same way?
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:18 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: RV-List: Dimpled skin and clecos
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
>
> Most of the responses seem to focus on drilling or deburring
> as the culprit, but for me it is only after dimpling that
> I've run into 'loose cleco' syndrome, luckily only on a small
> percentage of holes so I just move the cleco to the hole
> above or below.
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| Subject: | Re: Horizantal vs Vertical Induction Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Randy Utsey wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Utsey" <djdist@bellsouth.net>
>
>I'm thinking about the same engine with maybe the Fadec option and trying to
>decide if its worth the extra cost!
>
>Randy Utsey
>D.J. Distributing Co.
>1429 Bryant St.
>Charlotte, NC 28208
>800-585-4126
>
Bottom-posted for the purists!
Randy, I've never used a FADEC controlled engine, so I don't speak from
experience. My observation is that I like to be able to control the
mixture manually. I can do that very inexpensively! :-D . I like the
KISS principle, and the only thing that can go wrong with a manual setup
(cable break) is a lot easier to troubleshoot than an automatic
controller. True, it's another cable to run, but during construction
that's easily accomplished. I guess with a FADEC, you can dispense with
the EGT and CHT gauges since you can't control them (or can you???) but
then you lose some very valuable information on how your engine is
working. I don't really worry about electronic controls since cars have
been doing that for years now without any disastrous results. I'm sure
there have been cars parked alongside the road due to computer failures
and doubt that the FADEC would cause an engine shutdown. Just my .001
pennies. I doubt that I'll be putting electronic ignition on my engine
since my mags have performed so reliably and are dirt simple and easily
repaired. I wonder just how much it'll cost in flying downtime and
bucks to send the electronuic ignition controller back to the Mfgr. for
repair???? I can get a mag rebuilt in a day. Just some thoughts and YMMV.
Linn still working on the workshop
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
>Considering what's the best way to get around after landing. From my
research between >folding bikes, gas go-peds and elect scooters the winner
seems to be the folding Bike. The >question is what brand, model and where
to buy. I want something that is light (20lbs or less) >and compact (fit in
a RV7 slider).
> Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
compartment?
I have a pair of these:
http://www.dahon.com/marinerd7.htm which I purchased from:
http://brandscycle.com/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=2735&Catalog=39&sort=Price
I fly with these in a larger airplane and have doubts that they will go into
the baggage compartment of your plane. They are a great choice for folding
bikes though and we fly with them often. I did a lot of looking and am
really happy with the quality of this bike. At the time Brands Cycle had
the best price. I gave you a link to the carrying case and would highly
recommend that you get one for each bike. It will protect both the bike and
interior. I have to stack one bike on top of the other in the back of my
plane, they are too tall to fit side by side. The smaller bikes that you
were looking at might fit the baggage compartment of a seven. The smaller
the wheel size though the poorer the bike will perform on the road. I like
to fly into small airports without services and find that I end up using
mine on rural two lane roads that have limited shoulders. Having larger
wheels can make a difference, and even the 16" wheels on the Mariner are
marginal. I'm hoping I can get at least one in the baggage compartment of
my six. Good luck with your choice. I sure enjoy these.
Recently someone posted that they carried folders in the back of their RV.
I hope they see your post and give us the details.
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
> compartment?
>
George,
I'm a big fan of the British Brompton, which I have been using for years
after trying a few other folders. It is about as compact as they come and I
am suspect it is the quickest and easiest of all folders to fold. It looks
to me like two would fit easily in the baggage compartment of a 6 but I have
not had the opportunity to try it. There could be a problem with "breakover
angle" getting it in.
The Brompton is very well built and rides well, but probably not nearly as
well as the, more difficult to fold, Bike Fridays. The Dahons used to be of
rather low quality and heavy, but it appears they have greatly improved. I
have not used any of them.
http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=bikerange.bikerange
http://www.foldabikes.com/
http://www.landofenchantmentflyin.com/
One of the neat things about the Brompton is that it is so small that, with
the optional nylon cover, you can carry it into a restaurant as a large
valise and no one notices it or objects.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>>> Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
>>> compartment?
Oops, in my previous post I didn't notice how Doug Reeves' links work. This
should be better.
http://www.vansairforce.net/photography/loe3/loe3pictures.htm
There is a picture of me on my Brompton and a picture of Doug's Brompton in
his 6's baggage compartment.
Larry Pardue
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Osburn" <flyby41@earthlink.net>
Cheap is better....sometimes....
It's been over 2 years ago so I can't remember exactly how much I paid
but
I bought a 20" five speed folding bike at Walmart for something like
125.00. Cheapest folding bike of it's kind I had ever seen anywhere so I
went ahead and bought it. It's been to OSH and back in the rear baggage
compartment of my 4 with some dismantling.
Also I bought a regular 24" ten speed at Walmart about eleven years ago
for under 100.00 and made it fold myself. It just took an evening to do. I
had never seen a 24" ten speed folder before or since. I'm not saying there
isn't any. It is a tad big for an RV perhaps. I used to carry a couple
folding bikes in the rear of my Cessna.
Anybody curious and wants a picture of either I will be happy to send off
list.
do not archive
> [Original Message]
> From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/25/2005 4:19:17 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Considering what's the best way to get around after landing. From
my research between folding bikes, gas go-peds and elect scooters the
winner seems to be the folding Bike. The question is what brand, model and
where to buy. I want something that is light (20lbs or less) and compact
(fit in a RV7 slider).
>
> Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
compartment?
>
> Here are some examples: (Price from $300-$1,000)
> http://www.dahon.com/prestolite.htm
> http://www.dahon.com/folding-bicycles-us-alpha.htm
>
>
> Go-ped / gas scooters don't seem to be a good choices from what I heard.
They are very loud and attract a lot of unwanted attention and many places
outlaw them. Also the small wheels get caught in cracks, not to mention
dealing with a gas/oil tank in the cockpit. Semi-dangerous, but looking for
input.
>
> Electric scooters are too heavy (+40lbs) and have limited range. That
leaves Bikes. The big down side of the folding bikes is the cost. The
quality light weight ones are expensive. Unless the technology catches up
this does not seem practical.
>
> Any comments welcomed. Experiences good bad?
>
> Thanks George
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph Howey" <rdhowey@telus.net>
I spotted these in London last week and hope to put one in the back of my
8...http:www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk , I'll get the cheapest and lightest, saw
lots of them and they seem to work quite well.
Ralph in Tsawwassen
RV8 QB just starting
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Considering what's the best way to get around after landing. From my
> research between folding bikes, gas go-peds and elect scooters the winner
> seems to be the folding Bike. The question is what brand, model and where
> to buy. I want something that is light (20lbs or less) and compact (fit in
> a RV7 slider).
>
> Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
> compartment?
>
> Here are some examples: (Price from $300-$1,000)
> http://www.dahon.com/prestolite.htm
> http://www.dahon.com/folding-bicycles-us-alpha.htm
>
>
> Go-ped / gas scooters don't seem to be a good choices from what I heard.
> They are very loud and attract a lot of unwanted attention and many places
> outlaw them. Also the small wheels get caught in cracks, not to mention
> dealing with a gas/oil tank in the cockpit. Semi-dangerous, but looking
> for input.
>
> Electric scooters are too heavy (+40lbs) and have limited range. That
> leaves Bikes. The big down side of the folding bikes is the cost. The
> quality light weight ones are expensive. Unless the technology catches up
> this does not seem practical.
>
> Any comments welcomed. Experiences good bad?
>
> Thanks George
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
George,
I flew a borrowed folding Dahon to a jobsite a few times this year in
our tip-up 6a. Unwilling to dismantle it, I was unable to get it over
the seatback brace and wound up strapping it into to copilot seat with
the stick and cushions removed.
My 6 project has the slider with tip-up mod which allows much better
access to the baggage compartment. You can get a bike in easily. I
haven't had two bikes to try it with, but it looks tight.
I'd like to try one of those full sized Montague folders, but I really
doubt two of those would go.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
compartment?
Any comments welcomed. Experiences good bad?
Thanks George
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| Subject: | Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
I used to use one of those folding bikes but it always felt like I was
driving a go-kart on the Interstate. Image, being very important,
needed to be addressed--it was simply unsat to be motoring around on a
toy.
I finally settled on a full sized mountain bike with titanium frame. A
super bike but of course, it wouldn't fold unless you misjudged the size
of the drop off. The bike was a piece of work getting in the back seat
of a Velocity. And once in, you weren't assured of being able to get it
back out. In fact that's exactly what happened to Dewe Overs. If you
look on the Controller, you'll see a couple Velocities for sale. If you
look closely at the green and white one, you can see a set of handle
bars through the rear window. Dewe's ad says he'll 'throw in the bike'.
I guess so--he's done that once already--just couldn't get it out.
I solved the problem by strapping the mountain bike to the right wing.
A fair word of warning, use those nylon straps to secure it. Rubber
bungee cords have waaaay toooo much stretch in 'em. Now, I admit it
wasn't a perfect solution. The Velo kind of yawed to the right which
knocked a couple of knots off top end and when I got to where I was
going, it wasn't always the mountains. I fixed both problems by tying a
standard 10 speed on the left wing. Perfect. No yaw and optimum
terminal transportation whether I was goin' to the mountains or the flat
lands.
But that wasn't the end of the benefits. Sure, it was a little more
draggy, but then I didn't miss the speed brake that I often wished I'd
installed. High and hot...no problem. Cut the power and you get down,
with a capital "D" and right now. When I came into Knoxville TYS a
couple weeks ago, I was on one mile final at 2000' agl when I cut the
power and landed on the numbers. The Tower said "wow, did you say you
were a Velo or a Helo."
Highly recommended.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Venturi and Drag ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj@ozemail.com.au>
After buying a vacuum A H, I have just ordered a Eggenfellner engine. I would like
to use what I have in the way of instruments.
Can anyone tell me about the amount of drag from a 4" Venturi, I have only ever
seen one RV with one, ( Australia) is this because the drag penalty is just too
great ?
Thanks
Trevor Mills 80605
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi and Drag ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Drag, bugs, and they're ugly. Plus, your AH may not et started up good
before you fly. Just a thought.
Linn
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Trevor Mills wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj@ozemail.com.au>
>
>After buying a vacuum A H, I have just ordered a Eggenfellner engine. I would
like to use what I have in the way of instruments.
>Can anyone tell me about the amount of drag from a 4" Venturi, I have only ever
seen one RV with one, ( Australia) is this because the drag penalty is just
too great ?
>
>Thanks
>
>Trevor Mills 80605
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpled skin and clecos |
--> RV-List message posted by: gerns25@netscape.net
A #4 rivet does not even come close to fitting. I think I have solved the problem
by changing my method of deburring and moving to a #41 bit. My dimple die
fits the #41 perfectly so no need to worry about cracks. The problem is not
with my clecos.
Thanks for all the advice and info.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: RV-List: Dimpled skin and clecos
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Have you tried putting a "4" rivet in those holes to see how it fits. If it
fits, the problem ain't the clecos. And is their fit consistent with the
neighboring holes. And does EVERY cleco behave the same way?
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:18 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: RV-List: Dimpled skin and clecos
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
>
> Most of the responses seem to focus on drilling or deburring
> as the culprit, but for me it is only after dimpling that
> I've run into 'loose cleco' syndrome, luckily only on a small
> percentage of holes so I just move the cleco to the hole
> above or below.
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Bikes, Go-ped Elect Scooter |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
>
> > Any one flying a folding bike in their RV? Can you get two into the back
> > compartment?
> >
>
> George,
>
> I'm a big fan of the British Brompton, which I have been using for years
> after trying a few other folders. It is about as compact as they come and I
> am suspect it is the quickest and easiest of all folders to fold. It looks
> to me like two would fit easily in the baggage compartment of a 6 but I have
> not had the opportunity to try it. There could be a problem with "breakover
> angle" getting it in.
>
> The Brompton is very well built and rides well, but probably not nearly as
> well as the, more difficult to fold, Bike Fridays. The Dahons used to be of
> rather low quality and heavy, but it appears they have greatly improved. I
> have not used any of them.
>
> http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=bikerange.bikerange
> http://www.foldabikes.com/
> http://www.landofenchantmentflyin.com/
>
> One of the neat things about the Brompton is that it is so small that, with
> the optional nylon cover, you can carry it into a restaurant as a large
> valise and no one notices it or objects.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
> But is the price for that? Can be as good as the one at Waltmart?
thanks
bert
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
> Hi Paul,
>
> AeroSport Power is easily among the most highly regarded companies. Bart
> is
> very customer conscious and he enjoys very high recommendations from his
> customers around the world
And, if memory serves, one of those happy customers is Jon Johanson, who
has flown one of Bart's engines around the world. Three times...
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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