---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/04/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Re: Magnetic Compass for sale (Jimmy Hill) 2. 06:50 AM - Re: First Flight (Charles Rowbotham) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: VANS ALTERNATOR WEIGHTS (DAVID REEL) 4. 08:17 AM - Re: First Flight (bertrv6@highstream.net) 5. 09:43 AM - Source for NAS6200 bolts ? (Gerry Filby) 6. 12:26 PM - Star Washers Question (G McNutt) 7. 04:36 PM - Re: OT: Aces's High ll (Folbrecht, Paul) 8. 05:11 PM - Re: Star Washers Question (Vanremog@aol.com) 9. 06:28 PM - Freezing brakes (Alex Peterson) 10. 10:42 PM - Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:52 AM PST US From: "Jimmy Hill" Subject: Re: RV-List: Magnetic Compass for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Jimmy Hill" Whoops, sorry, I had not seen all your message. You have already given all the info. I will look at my panel again and see if I have room for it. Thanks. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kugler" Subject: RV-List: Magnetic Compass for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Kugler" > > Found more stuff.... > > Contact me off list, make an offer, whatever. > > Regards, > > -Don > RV8 - NJ > > Don Kugler > donkugler@earthlink.net > 908-303-6578 direct > > 1 Compass, 2 1/4" Panel Mount Northern Hemisphere. New - $50 > Van's P/N IF CM-13L $75.00 in Van's Catalog > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:48 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Steve, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "Steve Struyk" >Subject: RV-List: First Flight >Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:40:27 -0600 >> >Well, the big day finally got here. This morning at 9:35 AM, N842S "slipped >the surly bonds" and soared into the crisp (34 F) morning air above Creve >Coeur Airport, 1HO. (St. Louis Area) All went according to plan with no >surprises. She flies straight as an arrow and will require no aileron or >rudder trimming or re-rigging. What a Day! >Steve Struyk >RV-8, N842S ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:30 AM PST US From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: Re: RV-List: VANS ALTERNATOR WEIGHTS --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" My 35 amp Van's alternator: Weight with 3 mounting bolts 7lb 2oz Mounting brackets weigh 14oz the way I built them with a link to the starter. Dave Reel - RV8A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:21 AM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Quoting Gerry Filby : > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > :) Way cool ... > > Congrats ... > > g > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > > > > Well, the big day finally got here. This morning at 9:35 AM, > > N842S "slipped the surly bonds" and soared into the crisp (34 > > F) morning air above Creve Coeur Airport, 1HO. (St. Louis Area) > > All went according to plan with no surprises. She flies > > straight as an arrow and will require no aileron or rudder > > trimming or re-rigging. What a Day! > > > > For those to follow, just keep pressing on. You will get there, > > and it well be so worth the effort. > > > > > > Steve Struyk > > RV-8, N842S > > St. Charles, MO .8 Hours! > > > > No not archive > > > > > > Steve CONGRATULATIONS'''' I KNOW THE FEELING > > >BERT > > > -- > __g__ > > ========================================================== > Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com > Tel: 415 203 9177 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:45 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Source for NAS6200 bolts ? From: Gerry Filby 1.66 HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (DHCP) 1.28 HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (HCC) 1.36 HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (IP addr 1) --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby Anyone know where I can acquire NAS6200 close tolerance bolts with the X and Y oversize designation ? Yup, I bungled a hole :-| __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:01 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: RV-List: Star Washers Question --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt Star type lock washers have either internal or external teeth. Aircraft engine acessories use the internal teeth type lock washers while the hardware store variety generally have external teeth. My question is this, is there any technical difference in their locking capabilities? George in Langley BC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: Aces's High ll From: "Folbrecht, Paul" --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" Went through a similar period of addiction to Warbirds (another online WW2 sim) years back. "Addiction" was the word. Ugh. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: OT: Aces's High ll --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Jerry, I used to play ACES HIGH but decided that staying up til 2 & 3 AM was not good so I deleted it and do more of what I should be doing. Have fun. Doug Preston RV7 N731RV DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:49 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Star Washers Question --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 12/4/2005 12:27:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gmcnutt@shaw.ca writes: Star type lock washers have either internal or external teeth. Aircraft engine accessories use the internal teeth type lock washers while the hardware store variety generally have external teeth. My question is this, is there any technical difference in their locking capabilities? ======================================== George- Actually, there are some that have both internal and external teeth on the same washer. My experience with star washers would suggest the following. Internal teeth seem to be better at providing mechanical locking and maintaining the preload of the bolted joint, as these teeth are actually under the nut's bearing surface and benefit from the full locking torque applied to the bolted joint. These teeth actually get somewhat flattened out in the tightening of the fastener. External teeth seem to be better at cutting thru surface treatments (paint and such) to establish and maintain a good electrical connection. These teeth are often outside of the area of compression and teeth remain in a higher pitch state. This would do little to maintain the mechanical integrity of a bolted joint. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 771hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:01 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" I am flying in my 5th winter with my 6A in Minnesota, and have had frozen brakes frequently. If I taxi through any loose powder or even just a dusting, I can expect a clunk when I touch down after that flight. Obviously, the cause is from snow finding its way onto the brakes and melting during taxi, and subsequently freezing after takeoff. I've tried taxiing with NO brake usage, which is an interesting challenge in itself, but no help. I believe that the tires have enough internal friction to heat stuff up without any braking action. The brakes are not dragging, and the wheels turn freely. I thought today about beginning the takeoff roll with the brakes dragging to heat them just prior to take off, in an attempt to dry them out. BTW, I got about 600 landings out of the first set of brake pads, in case you might think I drag them unknowingly while taxiing (maybe that is what I need to do?). Landings can get interesting with one or both wheels locked, and today one tire landed on pavement while the other was on hard pack snow. It is a little unnerving to have to apply a bunch of rudder immediately at touchdown! (I would think it would be even more fun in a taildragger.) In one landing today, I dragged the left main for quite a while before it broke free, owing partly to less than ideal runway conditions and partly to the fact that it happened to be a greaser landing. I wonder if there is some aerodynamic subtlety to my gear fairings which causes snow to be drawn up inside the wheel fairings. I do notice that black tire dust comes out of the top of the gear and gets on the belly. Do others see this black dust up there? What are other's snow and winter experience? (no cracks needed from the SCAL group about moving away from the snow!) Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 696 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:17 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) --> RV-List message posted by: About 7.3 lbs for the 60 amp. If you are worried about weight go with the smaller industrial ND alternators like Niagara Air Parts sells. They weigh about 6.1 lbs and the brackets are going to more compact (lighter). The Niagara kit has everything for $275. Also most important, Niagara supplies only NEW genuine ND alternator, not a rebuilt alternator with aftermarket brand replacement parts (like Van sells). The Niagara / Nippondenso (ND) alternator is rated at 40 amps, but if you rated it like Van, it would be a 45 amp alternator. Not sure why Van calls his alternator is 60 amps, it's a 55 amp alternator at 5000 rpm. Alternators do tend to make more power at higher RPM's, but the standard rating is at 5000 rpm. The quality control of Van's supplier, where he buys rebuilt alternators is a little questionable. ND alternators are VERY reliable, but there have been many "events" with rebuilt alternators from Van, like: DOA, fails in hours of use, voltage regulator starts to act odd (unstable voltage control) and a few other things. In 15 years of using ND alternators (in both cars and planes), I have never had a problem and have 1000's of combined hours on them. However these are all genuine ND alternators, not rebuilds. Reading and talking to other builders it seems there is a disproportionate number of problems with the ND alternators Van sells. In fact of the 4-5 problems I know of, every one came from Van. Where Niagara has never had a return or complaint in 8 years. If a rebuild is done well, with all serviceable parts replaced, with best quality parts (even aftermarket just good aftermarket), inspected, assembled and tested with care, they can be OK. However the quality of many rebuilds are suspect. Go to automotive message boards and read about all the people who buy rebuilt alternators for there car and complain about how long they last, not long. A new ND alternator (brand new original ND) is much better than a rebuild in my opinion, if you can get them. Unfortunately the Suzuki Samurai NipponDenso alternator Van sells can not be bought new from ND. So you have to pick your supplier carefully. George >From: Leesafur(at)aol.com >Date: Dec 04, 2005 >Subject: VANS ALTERNATOR WEIGHTS >Does anybody know the weights of the alternators that vans sells? >I search the archives but didn't find anything. >Thanks Lee >RV-3 ---------------------------------