---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/05/05: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: Freezing brakes (Stephen J. Soule) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Freezing brakes (Alex Peterson) 4. 05:40 AM - Re: Freezing brakes (Stephen J. Soule) 5. 06:23 AM - Re: Freezing brakes (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 6. 06:42 AM - Avionics, ACU, etc (bob rundle) 7. 08:22 AM - Just ordered my Ti-Downs in Stock (Darrell Reiley) 8. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) (Darrell Reiley) 9. 08:36 AM - Re: Freezing brakes (sportav8r@aol.com) 10. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) (Denis Walsh) 11. 09:27 AM - Cream colored bottom. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 12. 09:49 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (sportav8r@aol.com) 13. 09:59 AM - Re: Just ordered my Ti-Downs in Stock (HCRV6@comcast.net) 14. 10:17 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (James Clark) 15. 10:50 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Bob J) 16. 10:54 AM - VNY FSDO weirdness (Ed Holyoke) 17. 10:57 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (james frierson) 18. 11:02 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Dan Checkoway) 19. 11:27 AM - Re: VNY FSDO weirdness (Kelly McMullen) 20. 11:27 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Larry Bowen) 21. 11:44 AM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 22. 12:10 PM - Re: Freezing brakes (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 23. 12:14 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 24. 12:23 PM - Re: VNY FSDO weirdness (Ed Holyoke) 25. 01:08 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Ron Lee) 26. 01:10 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Ron Lee) 27. 01:11 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Ralph E. Capen) 28. 01:14 PM - Received Ti-Downs TODAY (Darrell Reiley) 29. 01:35 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Bob J) 30. 01:53 PM - Re: VNY FSDO weirdness (James H Nelson) 31. 02:31 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Mickey Coggins) 32. 02:51 PM - Re: VNY FSDO weirdness (Ed Holyoke) 33. 03:25 PM - Re: VNY FSDO weirdness (Ed Holyoke) 34. 04:55 PM - GPS 296/395 (Al Grajek) 35. 05:14 PM - Re: Cream colored bottom. (Richard Seiders) 36. 06:38 PM - Priming/painting piano hinges? (Dan Charrois) 37. 07:29 PM - Re: Priming/painting piano hinges? (Brian Kraut) 38. 08:12 PM - Re: Priming/painting piano hinges? (Alan & Linda Daniels) 39. 08:46 PM - Re: Priming/painting piano hinges? (MLWynn@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Let me say *thank you* to everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all the great comments people had regarding what the Lists mean to them and how much they look forward to reading the new posts each day. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your generosity during this time of List support only underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. There are still a number of the various Free Gifts to be had as well. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), and Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are three great guys that support this industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their respective web sites. Thank you Andy, Paul, and Jon!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find the 2005 List of Contributors current as of 12/4/05! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------------ 2005 List of Contributors --------------------- Ackerman, John P Ackland, Andrew Ackworth, Robert Adamson, Arden Akerstrom, Ed Alberti, David Alexander, George Allee, Joseph Allen, Mark L Alley, Brian Allington, Wally Allsop, Bryan Alons, Kevin Al, Rupp Altenhein, Gary Anderson, Edward Anderson, John Anderson, Ken Andrews, Ronald Anliker, Mark Anthony, Bruce Anton, Bill Applefeld, Gerald Archer, Matt Ashcraft, Keith Atkinson, Paul Austin, Peter Babb, Tony Bahrns, Stan Baker, Mike Baker, Owen Baker, Roger Baker, Victor Baleshta, Doug Ballenger, James Barba, Alberto Barnes, Thomas Barrie, Darwin Barson, Ron Barter, Tom Basiliere, Rick Bass, George BatchelderJr, Ellery Bates Jr, Marcus Bean, Jim Bean, Robert Bearden, Jeff Beauchamp, Norm Bellach, Robin Bell, Bruce B Bell, Jack Belvin, Thomas Benjamin, Hal Benson, Lonn Benson, Lonnie Berges, Duncan Berg, Wayne Bermudez, John Berner, Walter Bernier, Jim Berry, Bert Berry, Jim Bertz, Gary Berube, Bob Betz, Judie Bezzard, Richard Bickham, John Bidle, Jerry Bieberdorf, Roger Billingsley, Dan Billington, Chuck Bish, Dan Black, Milton Blackwell, Jimmie Blackwell, Rodney Blair, Sean Blank, Stephen Boeshaar, David Boetto, Steve Bohannon, Larry Bollaert, Brian Bonds, Kevin Boothe, Gary Booze, Greg Bope, David Bordelon, Bruce Borger, Robert Boucher, Michel Boulet, Paul Bourne, Larry Bowen, Gordon Bowen, James Bowen, Larry Bowman, Brice Bowman, John Boxill, Mike Boyd, Bill Boyer, James R Boyle, Neville Brame, Charles Brandt, Leroy Brasch, Glenn Breckenridge, Bruce Bressler, Wes Bressler, Wesley Brick, John Brien, Tim Briggs, Gary Brogley, Michael Brooks, John Brooks, Kenyon Brooks, Sterling Broom, Richard Brown, Allen Brown, Bob Brunke, Judy Bryan, Mark Buchanan, Guy Buchmann, Keith Buckthal, Robert Buess, Alfred Bullett, Charles Bullock, Jack Bumhoffer, Al Burden, Ron Burke, James Burkhardt, Michael Burnaby, John Burnett, Ron Burns, Mark Burrill, Phil Burrows, Alan Burton, James Busch, Rob Butcher, James Butcher, Ron Butler, Francis Butler, Sherman Butterfield, John Buyse, Lieven Caldwell, Rick Cannon, Michael Cannon, Paul Cann, Tony Cantrell, Jim Cantrell, Jimmy Capen, Ralph Capra, Sal Cardell, Bill Carillon Sr, Paul Carpenter, Jeffrey Carpenter, Kenneth Carriere, James Carroll, Randy Carter, David Carter, Howard Carter, PaulQ Carter, Preston Cary, William Casson, Perry Challgren, Stanley Chambers, Ken Champion, Robert Chandler, Rick Chang, Ted Chatham, Robert Checkoway, Dan Chelvanayagam, Indran Chenoweth, William Chevaillier, Mason Circle, Roger Clarke, Christopher Clarke, Paddy Clark, James Clark, Michael Clay, Dennis Cleaveland Aircraft Tool Cliff, John Clifford, Dewayne Clyma, Frank Coalwell, Timothy Cochran, Mark Cochran, Stewart Coggins, Mickey Cole, Gary Cole, Gerry Cole, Roger Colucci, Tony Combs, Doyle Combs, Jim Comfort, Gordon Compton, Scott Condrey, Bob Connell, Joseph Conrad, Gerald Constant, Jeremy Cook, Doug Cook, Marc Cooling, John Cooper, James Cooper, Marcus Corbalis, Leo Corder, Michael Corner, Jim Corriveau, Grant Cottingham, Richard Cottrell, Larry Coursey, William Courtney, James Coussons, Herb Cox, John Cravener, Donald Crawford, Corey Creer, Michael Cribb, William Crockett, Jim Crosby, Harry Crosley, Rich Cross, Brian Crothers, Bill Cruikshank, Bruce Culver, Ronald Curtis, William Dalstrom, Douglas Dalton, Bob Daniell, William Danielsen, HansJ%c3%b8rgen Daves, Russell Davidson, Jeff Davies, Brian Davis, Barry Davis, Deems Davis, Robert Dawson, Clif Dawson, Garth Decker, Daniel Decramer, Dick Deford, David De Jong, Jan Delaney, Tom Deloach, Reginald DelPeso, Jose Delsol, Mich%c3%a8le Dennis, Chris Dewees, Ron Dewey, Debbie Dial, Larry Dickson, Robert Dieh, Donald Dietrich, Klaus Disher, John Dominy, Kenneth Donato, John Dondlinger, Leo Doran, Thomas Dorsey, Robert Doud, Herbert Dovey, Martin Doyle, Mike Draper, Mike Dresden, Robert Dufresne, Robert Duke, Gordon Dunne, John Durakovich, David East, David Eckenroth, Paul Edgerton, Wayne Edwards, Ed Edwards, Joe Ehlers, Clyde D Eli, Robert Ellenberger, Christopher Ellenberger, Mike Elliott, Andrew Ellis, Dale Elrod, Michael Engel, Jerry Engh, Duncan England, Charles Erickson, Alan Erickson, Gerald Erickson, Ken Ervin, Thomas Evenson, Roger Fackler, Ken Fair, Deal Falik, Donald Farmer, Daniel Faulkner, Thomas F, Dwight Featherston, Les Feldman, Herb Felker, Timothy Fetterman, Lanny Fillinger, Fred Filucci, Michael Finley, John Fischer, Douglas Fischer, John Fishe, James Fisher, Richard Fitzpatrick, Robert Fix, Douglas Flamini, Dennis Flavin, John Fluent, Grant Flynn, Harold Ford, Dean Ford, John Ford, Michael Forrest, Gerald Forsberg, Erik Fosse, James M Fox, Byron Fox, Stephen Franz, Carl Fray, Jerry Frazier, Ford French, Edwin French, James Fromm, John Fulgham, Bill Fullilove, Ken Fulmer, Joseph Fussell, Larry Fux, Franz Gabbard, Gary Gallagher, Noel Gallenbach, Craig Gantzer, Charles G Gardner, Albert Gardner, Terrence 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Howard Walsh, Denis Wambolt, Charles Ward, Ann Washburn, Oliver Watson, Terrence Weaver, Fred Webb, Randol Wehner, Clem Weiler, Douglas C Weinstock, Steven Weisfeld, Hans-peter Weiss, Richard Welsch, Philip Welsh, Don Werner, Russell Wetzel, Bob Whelan, Thomas White, Bob White, Charles Whiteley, Kenneth White, Phil Whittfield, Clive Whittington, Dewitt Wigney, John Wilde, Daniel Williamson, Richard Williamson, William Williams, Terry Willis, Tim Wilson, James Wilson, Kelly Winburn, Larry Winings, James Wither, Louis Woboril, David Wood, Larry Woods, Donald Wsiaki, Michael Wynn, Michael Yeamans, David York, Richard Young, Al Young, Dan Young, Dee Young, Greg Zakreski, Steve Zecherle, John Zelinski, Alan Zilz, Dave Zirges, Malcolm Zollinger, Duane Zuniga, Oscar Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:31 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RE: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Alex, From up in not-quite-frozen-yet Vermont I have to offer that I have had the same problem from time to time. I try to stay off the brakes while landing so as to keep them cool. As a practical matter, it means rolling out to the very end of the runway after landing and using the rudder (as you describe below) to maintain directional control as much as possible. I don't recall ever heating them up too much while just taxiing. I do recall a thread about brake return springs on some of Van's older brakes being too short. That might cause the brakes to drag even when your feet are off them. I don't see brake dust on the tops of my wheel pants. That's a new one. Steve Soule N227RV RV-6A -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex Peterson Subject: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" --> I am flying in my 5th winter with my 6A in Minnesota, ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:47 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > I don't see brake dust on the tops of my wheel pants. That's > a new one. Steve, It is not brake dust, it is tire dust. I noticed a big reduction in the amount of it when I changed to a different tire brand. The black dust finds its way up the gear leg and comes out through the gaps in the fuse/gear fairing intersection fairing. I only bring it up here in case my setup is somehow "pumping" snow dust up into the wheel fairings differently from others. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 696 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:05 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RE: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Alex, I do get that dust and just where you notice it. I believe you're right about the mechanism. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex Peterson Subject: RE: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" --> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > I don't see brake dust on the tops of my wheel pants. That's > a new one. Steve, It is not brake dust, it is tire dust. I noticed a big reduction in the amount of it when I changed to a different tire brand. The black dust finds its way up the gear leg and comes out through the gaps in the fuse/gear fairing intersection fairing. I only bring it up here in case my setup is somehow "pumping" snow dust up into the wheel fairings differently from others. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 696 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:36 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 12/5/05 7:18:52 AM Central Standard Time, alexpeterson@earthlink.net writes: > The black dust finds > its way up the gear leg and comes out through the gaps in the fuse/gear > fairing intersection fairing >> Hi Alex- I see small amounts of the same dust at the top of the legs like you mention although I had assumed it was from the pads but had never really investigated. I'm fairly certain the wingroot area at the top of the fairings is low pressure (generally) since an air inlet I experimented with immediately forward of my intersection fairing did not admit any air to the cabin. I would imagine that if air is blown in around the tire opening, it would blow stuff up the leg. Frozen brakes sounds a bit scary to a down-souther- ever see bad flat spots on the tires? Mark Phillips -6A, Columbia, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 AM PST US From: "bob rundle" Subject: RV-List: Avionics, ACU, etc INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 --> RV-List message posted by: "bob rundle" I'm trying to decide what exactly I need in terms of an ACU (Annunciation Control Unit) for my setup. My avionics are: GNS430 GNC300XL GMA340 GI106A GTX327 Right now I only only a single GI106A. When this is connected to the G430, I understand the G430 can select between GPS input and NAV input. i.e. it has a built in ACU. What about the 300XL? I too can be connected to a GI106A and display GPS track information. But for this to occur you need to have an external ACU to select between GPS/NAV, as well as ARM and ACTV the approach for non-precision approaches. So what if I only have 1 GI106A? Do I still need this ACU? The G430 will change it without the need for an ACU. Right now I;m considering getting a second GI106A and the ACU to hook up to the G300XL. Would this be the best solution? As well I presume since I'll be only be doing non-precision appracohes with the 300XL then I only need the GI102A, not the 106A (glideslope indication as well). Can someone clarify this for me? Thank you BobR ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:47 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RV-List: Just ordered my Ti-Downs in Stock --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Hi Group, I just ordered my Ti-Downs from Rob. Yes, Randy made them and they are the 5 loop with the bag, ropes and all. Darrell rv6n6r@comcast.net wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net >Got a question: > >Doesn't anyone on this list know Randy Simpson personally, and is willing to >talk to him over a beer or so to find out what really happened here??? >Just a thought. Seems to me we all know what happened, or should by now. Randy is disorganized and can be slow getting his product out. People who know him know he's not a crook, makes good product when he gets around to it, and is a lousy businessman. How about we stop beating this horse? Randall --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:56 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Airtech sells a new ND alternator kit for Lycomings with bolts, brackets and all for $199.95. I bought one, very nice kit, excellent service!!! Darrell gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: About 7.3 lbs for the 60 amp. If you are worried about weight go with the smaller industrial ND alternators like Niagara Air Parts sells. They weigh about 6.1 lbs and the brackets are going to more compact (lighter). The Niagara kit has everything for $275. Also most important, Niagara supplies only NEW genuine ND alternator, not a rebuilt alternator with aftermarket brand replacement parts (like Van sells). The Niagara / Nippondenso (ND) alternator is rated at 40 amps, but if you rated it like Van, it would be a 45 amp alternator. Not sure why Van calls his alternator is 60 amps, it's a 55 amp alternator at 5000 rpm. Alternators do tend to make more power at higher RPM's, but the standard rating is at 5000 rpm. The quality control of Van's supplier, where he buys rebuilt alternators is a little questionable. ND alternators are VERY reliable, but there have been many "events" with rebuilt alternators from Van, like: DOA, fails in hours of use, voltage regulator starts to act odd (unstable voltage control) and a few other things. In 15 years of using ND alternators (in both cars and planes), I have never had a problem and have 1000's of combined hours on them. However these are all genuine ND alternators, not rebuilds. Reading and talking to other builders it seems there is a disproportionate number of problems with the ND alternators Van sells. In fact of the 4-5 problems I know of, every one came from Van. Where Niagara has never had a return or complaint in 8 years. If a rebuild is done well, with all serviceable parts replaced, with best quality parts (even aftermarket just good aftermarket), inspected, assembled and tested with care, they can be OK. However the quality of many rebuilds are suspect. Go to automotive message boards and read about all the people who buy rebuilt alternators for there car and complain about how long they last, not long. A new ND alternator (brand new original ND) is much better than a rebuild in my opinion, if you can get them. Unfortunately the Suzuki Samurai NipponDenso alternator Van sells can not be bought new from ND. So you have to pick your supplier carefully. George >From: Leesafur(at)aol.com >Date: Dec 04, 2005 >Subject: VANS ALTERNATOR WEIGHTS >Does anybody know the weights of the alternators that vans sells? >I search the archives but didn't find anything. >Thanks Lee >RV-3 --------------------------------- Darrell RV7A - 622DR Reserved --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:40 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com When I replaced my solid, assembled-in-place gear leg fariings with wood stiffeners, with the hollow premolded fairings from Van's, I immediately began smelling burning rubber after each hard-surface landing. Discincerting until I realized the tires always emitted smoke on touchdown, but I coiuld never smell it until it started coming up the chimney afforded by the hollow fairings. It penetrates the cockpit sidewalls around the brake lines and aileron p-p tube to gain access to the cockpit and my nostrils. Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 12/5/05 7:18:52 AM Central Standard Time, alexpeterson@earthlink.net writes: > The black dust finds > its way up the gear leg and comes out through the gaps in the fuse/gear > fairing intersection fairing >> Hi Alex- I see small amounts of the same dust at the top of the legs like you mention although I had assumed it was from the pads but had never really investigated. I'm fairly certain the wingroot area at the top of the fairings is low pressure (generally) since an air inlet I experimented with immediately forward of my intersection fairing did not admit any air to the cabin. I would imagine that if air is blown in around the tire opening, it would blow stuff up the leg. Frozen brakes sounds a bit scary to a down-souther- ever see bad flat spots on the tires? Mark Phillips -6A, Columbia, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:43 AM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Van's Alternator Weight's (Reliability of alternators Van is selling) --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh How about a web site for Airtech? I get no joy on google Denis Walsh On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > > > Airtech sells a new ND alternator kit for Lycomings with bolts, > brackets and all for $199.95. I bought one, very nice kit, > excellent service!!! > > Darrell > > gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:57 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Gents, Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some pertinent data. 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph 5. Runs great! 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? Do I need to be concerned? Do something? Do nothing? Thanks Mike S8 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:38 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com >>6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only)<< So, you only get diaper rash on the other side, huh? >>What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead?<< Dunno, Kahuna. Lick it and see if you die (slowly, painfully). If so, yup, it was probably lead. Don't know much about engines, but I have treated a few kids for lead poisoning... >>RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540<< Ah, there's your problem: too many cylinders in that -8, friend ;-) -Stormy hope some non-clown chimes in with a real answer for you -----Original Message----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Gents, Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some pertinent data. 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph 5. Runs great! 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? Do I need to be concerned? Do something? Do nothing? Thanks Mike S8 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:37 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Just ordered my Ti-Downs in Stock --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net << I just ordered my Ti-Downs from Rob. Yes, Randy made them and they are the 5 loop with the bag, ropes and all. Darrell >> I must have missed something, who's Rob? I really want a set of Randy's tie downs so if there is a way to get them, other than throwing some money in the ring and hoping for the best, I'd sure like to know about it. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 161 hours and down for painting. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:47 AM PST US From: James Clark Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: James Clark Mike, I have seen the creme color in the exhaust stacks of many well-running aircraft engines (and OLD SCHOOL car engines). By well running, I mean both smooth and free of carbon and oil. Many aircraft bootoms have that mixed with some oil films. To me the most curious part is it coming from only one side of the exhausts assuming there is some crossover (as in NOT having all mag cylinders on one exhaust side and all EI on the other). On the "mag drop" I interpret the change as your EI is giving you and "additional" 120 RPM for free (150-30). Thus a 5% improvement over a base of 2400 RPM. Do you see approximately 5% improvement in performance from the engine "specs"?? Summary: I don't have an anser ... just some opinions/stuff to think about. James p.s. Again thanks for the help on Saturday! On 12/5/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < > mstewart@iss.net> > > Gents, > > > Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > > My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some > pertinent data. > > 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor > 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas > 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's > 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph > 5. Runs great! > 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours > 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > > 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high > but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I > have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have > timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. > Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > S8 > > Do not archive > > -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:40 AM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J Mike, try using TCP and see if it stops happening. My guess is that for some strange reason lead is not being scavenged as well in one side of your exhaust, but is in the other. Temperatures too low maybe to effectively scavenge lead? I wouldn't be too concerned about it, unless you were fouling plugs, or had too much lead in your oil. I only see the lead deposits in the last 3-4" of my exhaust pipes...if I look further up inside I see the normal sooty stuff. I imagine it has something to do with the temperature of the pipes which causes the lead deposits on the coolest part of the exhaust system. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. (perpetually) On 12/5/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < > mstewart@iss.net> > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:12 AM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Howdy folks, We've applied at the VNY FSDO for a new set of operating limitations based on the latest version being offered by the FAA so that we can equip and operate our RV-6a as an IFR aircraft. I had an appointment to pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell me that experimental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where we're based) and some other airports as well. I objected to this vehemently and requested that he show me chapter and verse in the regulations where it says that they have any authority to prohibit certain types of aircraft from specific airports. He said he'd do some research and get back to me, but canceled our appointment for this afternoon. I had heard that VNY FSDO had tried this tack in the past, but thought they had been shown the light. Has anybody else run into this kind of bull? How did it shake out? Pax, Ed Holyoke ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:41 AM PST US From: "james frierson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" If it's on the side were the engine vent is located then it's a little blow-by mixing with the burnt lead residue.... which I believe is normal.... Scott N162RV Flying > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > >Gents, > > >Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > >My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry >film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some >pertinent data. > >1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor >2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas >3. Cylinders compression are high 70's >4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph >5. Runs great! >6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours >7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > >8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high >but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I >have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have >timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. >Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > >What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > >Do I need to be concerned? > >Do something? Do nothing? > > >Thanks > >Mike > >S8 > >Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:54 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Is it the side with the smoke system nozzle? Just curious if that has anything to do with it. Apologies in advance for asking such a mundane question, but...is it the side with the breather tube exit? My belly gets more greasy on one side than the other -- for obvious reasons it's greasiest on the side with the breather. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. > --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > >>6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only)<< > > So, you only get diaper rash on the other side, huh? > >>>What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead?<< > > Dunno, Kahuna. Lick it and see if you die (slowly, painfully). If so, > yup, it was probably lead. Don't know much about engines, but I have > treated a few kids for lead poisoning... > >>>RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540<< > > Ah, there's your problem: too many cylinders in that -8, friend ;-) > > -Stormy > > hope some non-clown chimes in with a real answer for you > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > > Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > > My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some > pertinent data. > > 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor > 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas > 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's > 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph > 5. Runs great! > 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours > 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > > 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high > but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I > have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have > timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. > Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > S8 > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness From: "Kelly McMullen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Have you contacted EAA? I would think they would want to jump all over this. Seems like they may be confusing sport plane with experimental, but who knows where they dreamt this up. Do Not Archive Ed Holyoke said: I had an appointment to > pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell > me that experimental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where > we're based) and some other airports as well. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. From: "Larry Bowen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Mine's been doing the same lately. I'm been able to run a little leaner with the cooler weather, so maybe that's why it recently started. Mine's on the right side of the belly. O-360/carb/mags. - Larry Bowen, RV-8 148 Hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > > Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > > My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some > pertinent data. > > 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor > 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas > 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's > 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph > 5. Runs great! > 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours > 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > > 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high > but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I > have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have > timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. > Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > S8 > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Both sides have nozzles although I did not use them on this last test cycle for the bottom cleanliness. Funny thing is the breather is on the clean side. The cream colored film is a dry film you can scrape off with your fingernail but it is not greasy like an oily bottom from a breather. I use "scrubbing bubbles' to spit shine the bottom and after a few hours the cream is back on one side only clearly trailing only one exhaust. And Bob J, what is TCP? Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Is it the side with the smoke system nozzle? Just curious if that has anything to do with it. Apologies in advance for asking such a mundane question, but...is it the side with the breather tube exit? My belly gets more greasy on one side than the other -- for obvious reasons it's greasiest on the side with the breather. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. > --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > >>6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only)<< > > So, you only get diaper rash on the other side, huh? > >>>What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead?<< > > Dunno, Kahuna. Lick it and see if you die (slowly, painfully). If so, > yup, it was probably lead. Don't know much about engines, but I have > treated a few kids for lead poisoning... > >>>RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540<< > > Ah, there's your problem: too many cylinders in that -8, friend ;-) > > -Stormy > > hope some non-clown chimes in with a real answer for you > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > > Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > > My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some > pertinent data. > > 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor > 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas > 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's > 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph > 5. Runs great! > 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours > 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > > 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high > but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I > have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have > timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. > Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > S8 > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:02 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Freezing brakes --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 12/5/05 10:38:47 AM Central Standard Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes: > I immediately began smelling burning rubber after each hard-surface > landing. >>>> Yep- I get the same thing in my plane. Originally I figured it was sucking in from the tail, but eventually realized the chimneys were the obvious route... Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:44 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 12/5/05 11:29:09 AM Central Standard Time, mstewart@iss.net writes: > I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. >>> Have you eliminated your smoke system as a source? Mark - do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:03 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Good suggestion. I called them right after I sent off that first e-mail in and am waiting for a reply from their point man on FAA stuff who's at lunch. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" Have you contacted EAA? I would think they would want to jump all over this. Seems like they may be confusing sport plane with experimental, but who knows where they dreamt this up. Do Not Archive Ed Holyoke said: I had an appointment to > pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell > me that experimental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where > we're based) and some other airports as well. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:26 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RE: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >And Bob J, what is TCP? TCP is a fuel additive that is supposed to help minimize lead fouling. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:14 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > >Do something? Do nothing? Personally I think it is not right that you have such a large engine in an RV. Are you the fastest on your field? What is your top speed or 75% speed at 8000' DA? Ron Lee Oops, here is the required smiley :) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:42 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Is it possible that it is being blown up one side by the prop wash? I remember reading somewhere that spam-can makers put the exhaust stack on the pax side for that reason. Wouldn't tell you what it is - just why it's only on one side. my .02 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Bowen Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Mine's been doing the same lately. I'm been able to run a little leaner with the cooler weather, so maybe that's why it recently started. Mine's on the right side of the belly. O-360/carb/mags. - Larry Bowen, RV-8 148 Hrs Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) said: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > Gents, > > > Got a new RV-8 with ~100 hours on an overhauled IO-540 > > My Fuse bottom is painted dark red and I have this cream colored dry > film, clearly only coming out of ONE SIDE of my exhaust. Here is some > pertinent data. > > 1. Cylinders tracking great on the engine monitor > 2. I generally run 50LOP, or 30Rop, 100LL av gas > 3. Cylinders compression are high 70's > 4. Injectors flow matched to .1gph > 5. Runs great! > 6. Cream covers my bottom(one side only) in ~10 hours > 7. Oil consumption is ~1qt 8 hrs > > 8. Mag check gives me 150rmp drop on mag only, 30 on EI. 150 seems high > but after the drop all cylinders run even on the engine monitor so I > have just accepted this as normal but I don't know if it is. I have > timed the mag with 2 different units and it is a new mag sooo. I dunno. > Maybe 150 drop is fine on a 6 cyl. > > > What is the cream stuff exactly? Burnt lead? > > Do I need to be concerned? > > Do something? Do nothing? > > > Thanks > > Mike > > S8 > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:18 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RV-List: Received Ti-Downs TODAY --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley WOW... that was lightning fast. I ordered my Ti-Downs on Friday 12/02/2005. I received them today Monday 12/05/2005, and there was a weekend in there too. Everyone is correct in that they are beautiful!! Darrell RV7A - 622DR Reserved --------------------------------- Let fate take it's course directly to your email. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:42 PM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J http://www.alcorinc.com/products/tcp/ On 12/5/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < > mstewart@iss.net> > > And Bob J, what is TCP? > > Mike > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness From: James H Nelson --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson Ed , Did you say out to lunch? Jim ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:09 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins If you want to try something that does the same thing but is a bit less toxic, try this: http://www.decalinchemicals.com/fueladditive.html > http://www.alcorinc.com/products/tcp/ > > On 12/5/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < >>mstewart@iss.net> >> >>And Bob J, what is TCP? >> >>Mike >>Do not archive -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Oh - I hope not. :-) I did get a cal back from the EAA guy. He thinks that perhaps the FAA guy is confusing first flight/flight test restrictions with normal operations and will relent when this is straightened out. He was going to call the inspector to try and resolve it. No call back from either party yet. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson Subject: Re: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson Ed , Did you say out to lunch? Jim ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:01 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: VNY FSDO weirdness --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" OK - here's the latest. The FAA airworthiness inspector called me back. It seems that we did not communicate well this morning or at our previous meeting. The issue appears to be the flight test area and corridor to get to it and back, not where the aircraft is based. He said that he is ready to issue the oplims as soon as a flight test area can be defined to his boss's satisfaction. This is the area in which the aircraft will have to be flown if and when it is returned to Phase I operations after a major alteration. Following 5 hours in the test area and a logbook entry, the aircraft can be returned to Phase II operations. He was reading the boundaries of the flight test area as it was defined in our original oplims in '98 and thinking that I was asking for the same area verbatim. I had told him that I would accept any reasonable test area and that it doesn't have to be the same as the original. Since '98 they have redefined most of that area including WHP as densely populated. He says we'll have this worked out within a few days. Hope so. Pax, Ed Holyoke ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:19 PM PST US From: "Al Grajek" Subject: RV-List: GPS 296/395 INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0063 1.0000 -4.3997 --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" NO!NO!NO It is a big scam. Trust me. Look at the feedback. All from sellers, not buyers. These guys are in Romania. Even the guy they give for reference doesNOT work for Ebay. I checked it out. When I first looked there wer 8 or 10 of these. After Ebay investigated, there was one. Also notice, the email address chandes a lot. AND there is NO way to get the money back. Thats why they use Western Union. Like they say, "if its too good to be true......." Al Grajek ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:13 PM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: Re: RV-List: Cream colored bottom. --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders It's a lead scavenging agent Mike, to avoid fouling plugs. Dick Seiders RV6A At 04:35 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J > >http://www.alcorinc.com/products/tcp/ > >On 12/5/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < > > mstewart@iss.net> > > > > And Bob J, what is TCP? > > > > Mike > > Do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:23 PM PST US From: Dan Charrois Subject: RV-List: Priming/painting piano hinges? --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Charrois Hi everyone. Just a quick question. For those who prime most everything before assembling, do you prime piano hinges as well? And/or for those who paint their aircraft, do the hinges get painted? Or should they be masked before painting the plane, and skipped in priming? I don't have my packing list handy at the moment, so I don't know if the hinge is stainless steel or otherwise already fairly impervious to corrosion. In any case, if everything else is being primed/ painted, I'd be tempted to be consistent, except for the concern that primer and/or paint would get into the hinge itself, stiffening its travel... Any suggestions? Thanks.. Dan -- Syzygy Research & Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:48 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Priming/painting piano hinges? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" I have painted several hinges without a problem. Keep the grease in the hinge pin to a minimum and be sure to clean the outside surfaces good to keep the paint from chipping off. You will get some paint chipping on the hinge anyway, but not too much. I don't bother to prime the hinge before riveting it on. You can just shoot primer on it and the surface it is rivited to at the same time. Aluminum hinges are anodized fairly well so you don't really need to worry about them corroding on the back sides. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Charrois Subject: RV-List: Priming/painting piano hinges? --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Charrois Hi everyone. Just a quick question. For those who prime most everything before assembling, do you prime piano hinges as well? And/or for those who paint their aircraft, do the hinges get painted? Or should they be masked before painting the plane, and skipped in priming? I don't have my packing list handy at the moment, so I don't know if the hinge is stainless steel or otherwise already fairly impervious to corrosion. In any case, if everything else is being primed/ painted, I'd be tempted to be consistent, except for the concern that primer and/or paint would get into the hinge itself, stiffening its travel... Any suggestions? Thanks.. Dan -- Syzygy Research & Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 PM PST US From: Alan & Linda Daniels Subject: Re: RV-List: Priming/painting piano hinges? --> RV-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels I think it is personal preference. I fit the hinge and even hold it in place with a soft pop rivet if needed, but then remove it to paint the other surfaces. For me the paint seems to chip on the hinge so I polish or leave anodized and do final install after painting. Dan Charrois wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Charrois > >Hi everyone. Just a quick question. > >For those who prime most everything before assembling, do you prime >piano hinges as well? And/or for those who paint their aircraft, do >the hinges get painted? Or should they be masked before painting the >plane, and skipped in priming? > >I don't have my packing list handy at the moment, so I don't know if >the hinge is stainless steel or otherwise already fairly impervious >to corrosion. In any case, if everything else is being primed/ >painted, I'd be tempted to be consistent, except for the concern that >primer and/or paint would get into the hinge itself, stiffening its >travel... > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks.. Dan >-- >Syzygy Research & Technology >Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada >Phone: 780-961-2213 > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:33 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Priming/painting piano hinges? --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com I asked Van's about that. They said there was no need as the hinges have good corrosion protection as they come from the factory. Regards, Michael Wynn RV-8, Wings San Ramon, California Do Not Archive