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1. 05:01 AM - Deluxe Fuel Caps (Scott Lewis)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (Jeff Dowling)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (John Jessen)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Just orderd RV-8 (John Jessen)
5. 06:12 AM - NON rv related, looking for local efax number (Jeff Dowling)
6. 06:20 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
7. 06:23 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (Jeff Dowling)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (Bob Perkinson)
9. 07:00 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Paul Folbrecht)
10. 07:18 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (Denis Walsh)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Robin Marks)
12. 07:48 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Sam Buchanan)
13. 08:20 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912 (Darrell Reiley)
14. 08:41 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Ed Holyoke)
15. 08:48 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
16. 08:48 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
17. 08:57 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (John Danielson)
18. 08:58 AM - Flap Actuator Template for RV8 (BRUCE GRAY)
19. 09:05 AM - Re: E Mag (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
20. 09:58 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Dan Checkoway)
21. 10:07 AM - Re: NON rv related, looking for local efax number (Dave)
22. 10:11 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Dan Checkoway)
23. 10:50 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Chuck Weyant)
24. 10:51 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Paul Folbrecht)
25. 10:52 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Chuck Weyant)
26. 11:31 AM - Re: Just orderd RV-8 (Charles Rowbotham)
27. 11:31 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Oliver Washburn)
28. 11:48 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Robin Marks)
29. 12:04 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
30. 12:27 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Darrell Reiley)
31. 01:49 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (oliver h washburn)
32. 02:12 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Tedd McHenry)
33. 03:37 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Darrell Reiley)
34. 03:56 PM - Re: E Mag (czechsix@juno.com)
35. 04:36 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.... (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
36. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: E Mag (Darrell Reiley)
37. 07:43 PM - Cleaning out the hanger sale (Brian Kraut)
38. 07:57 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Richard Scott)
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| Subject: | Deluxe Fuel Caps |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day all,
Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the
Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but
the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has them.
So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I
thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to
the same question in future.
Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards
with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same
with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on
the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe
caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange
bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the
RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's
tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case.
The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in
with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it
outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report
fuel leaks from around this seal.
The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip
presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of
the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and
seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is
released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily
lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard
cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden
below the clip.
Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought
them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to
lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they
cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the
amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . .
I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully
will clarify some of my babble from above!!
Have fun all,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Im sure you can find a ton of stuff on this in the archives. Here's my
simple decision maker.
If you live in a hot climate, I think the slider is better. There are a
million other variables. Have you tried getting in and out of each type?
That may also help.
The slider has a nice advantage to easy access behind the instrument panel.
However, it can also be a negative for water intrusion on your expensive
gadgets.
Just a few opinions. Im positive you'll get many, many more.
do not archive
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
> operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for me.
>
> The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
> know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
> people.
>
> Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
> what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
> Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Man, you've come this far and that's what's holding you up is a little (!)
difficulty fitting the frames. What about the ingress / egress, water on
the avionics, venting when taxiing, where the roll bar is placed, wind, etc.
Or coolness factor. You're a builder. No stinking frame fitting can stop
you now! Go for what you want. Until I switched over to the RV-10, it was
tip up all the way for me. My son wanted a slider. He also want a little
wheel in the back and an RV-8, but he didn't have the check book.
John Jessen
~40328 (Empennage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the operational
ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for me.
The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I know
that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of people.
Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider, what's
it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at Van's are
hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Just orderd RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Great news, Dan! Now, remember, it's less of a marathon than it used to be,
but that's what it is. Take your time and enjoy!
John Jessen
~40328 (VS, Rudder, HS finished)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Subject: RV-List: Just orderd RV-8
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
!!!!!I just ordered my RV-8 QB !!!
My first kit I'm SO EXCITED
Dan,
Cleaning out the Garage !~ to make room !@@!
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| Subject: | NON rv related, looking for local efax number |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Do not archive.
I have a Reno number for my efax and am wondering if someone has a Chicago
number, 708,773,312,847,630. I'll give up my Reno number if someone wants
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Lewis" <rv10@tpg.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>
> G'day all,
>
> Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the
> Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but
> the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has them.
>
> So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I
> thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to
> the same question in future.
>
> Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards
> with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same
> with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on
> the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe
> caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange
> bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the
> RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's
> tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case.
>
> The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in
> with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it
> outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report
> fuel leaks from around this seal.
> The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip
> presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of
> the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and
> seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is
> released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily
> lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard
> cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden
> below the clip.
>
> Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought
> them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to
> lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they
> cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the
> amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . .
>
> I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully
> will clarify some of my babble from above!!
>
> Have fun all,
> Scott Lewis
> RV-10 40172
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I think Jeff meant to say " The TIP-UP has a nice advantage to easy
access behind the instrument panel.
However, it can also be a negative for water intrusion on your expensive
gadgets."
Having built the slider on my 6A, and having flown behind it for at
least a few hours, I would now build the tip up given the choice.
Best,
Mike
built 2 sliders
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL
0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
<shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Im sure you can find a ton of stuff on this in the archives. Here's my
simple decision maker.
If you live in a hot climate, I think the slider is better. There are a
million other variables. Have you tried getting in and out of each
type?
That may also help.
The slider has a nice advantage to easy access behind the instrument
panel.
However, it can also be a negative for water intrusion on your expensive
gadgets.
Just a few opinions. Im positive you'll get many, many more.
do not archive
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
<ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
> operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for
me.
>
> The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
> know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot
of
> people.
>
> Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
> what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
> Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Oops, I meant to say the tip-up has an advantage for instrument access, not
slider.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Im sure you can find a ton of stuff on this in the archives. Here's my
> simple decision maker.
>
> If you live in a hot climate, I think the slider is better. There are a
> million other variables. Have you tried getting in and out of each type?
> That may also help.
>
> The slider has a nice advantage to easy access behind the instrument
> panel.
> However, it can also be a negative for water intrusion on your expensive
> gadgets.
>
> Just a few opinions. Im positive you'll get many, many more.
>
> do not archive
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 235 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
> 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
>> operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for
>> me.
>>
>> The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
>> know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
>> people.
>>
>> Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
>> what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
>> Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Charlie,
I opted for the slider for the only reason that it gives a hand hold to get
in and out with. I hope that if I have any difficulty making it fit I can
call on some of the local builders in the area, have them over for a cold
drink and hope they will give me a hand in diagnosing the situation.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
-
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for me.
The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
people.
Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back on
the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
the tip-up.
do not archive
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I think Jeff meant to say " The TIP-UP has a nice advantage to easy
>access behind the instrument panel.
>However, it can also be a negative for water intrusion on your expensive
>
>gadgets."
>
>Having built the slider on my 6A, and having flown behind it for at
>least a few hours, I would now build the tip up given the choice.
>
>Best,
>
>Mike
>built 2 sliders
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
I believe the balance has changed! It is now harder for most
builders to do the tip up than the slider. As I see it, the reasons
are: Slider instructions are much better, frame is now made quite a
bit different and is more builder friendly. Tip up looks to me has
not changed much at all.
Let's hear from the guys at teh builders centers!
Denis Walsh
On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Bob Perkinson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
>
> Charlie,
> I opted for the slider for the only reason that it gives a hand
> hold to get
> in and out with. I hope that if I have any difficulty making it
> fit I can
> call on some of the local builders in the area, have them over for
> a cold
> drink and hope they will give me a hand in diagnosing the situation.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
> RV9 N658RP Reserved
> If nothing changes
> Nothing changes
>
>
> -
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
> operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least
> for me.
>
> The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
> know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a
> lot of
> people.
>
> Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
> what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
> Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
I hate to be ignorant as I am -4 pilot but haven't I seen some
inexpensive 3rd party mechanism that allows the canopy to do both tip &
slide? IS that a solution to your dilemma?
Do Not Archive
Robin
RV-4 200 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL
0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Charlie,
I opted for the slider for the only reason that it gives a hand hold to
get
in and out with. I hope that if I have any difficulty making it fit I
can
call on some of the local builders in the area, have them over for a
cold
drink and hope they will give me a hand in diagnosing the situation.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
-
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for
me.
The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
people.
Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back on
> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>
> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
> the tip-up.
I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe..... ;-)
Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Stick with the tip-up unless you enjoy laying on hard aluminum bedding and like
to look at roll bars in your vision while you fly. It will not take but once
or twice having an under the panel issue and a slider to really pis* you off.
Oh, then those cuts and bruises on the forehead from getting out from under the
panel...
And, both canopies will leak if care is not taken when they are built up and
installed. With a little TLC...and work both types will keep things pretty dry.
Darrell
Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for me.
The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
people.
Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
The tip-up slider mod is for easier access to the baggage area not entry
to the airplane. For getting in and out, it's like any other slider.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
I hate to be ignorant as I am -4 pilot but haven't I seen some
inexpensive 3rd party mechanism that allows the canopy to do both tip &
slide? IS that a solution to your dilemma?
Do Not Archive
Robin
RV-4 200 hours
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Agree with Sam Completely.
Frankly you can not tell the difference between a slider that is back
from a tip-up that is cocked up on the latch. Except for the "dude"
factor of hanging your arm out on the slider, air flow is the same.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
<pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
on
> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>
> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
> the tip-up.
I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
;-)
Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
The tip up mechanism on a slider configuration CAN NOT be operated
during taxi, nor would you want to.
Now if there were a slider mod to a tip-up configuration, well then I
would see the desire to do that.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
I hate to be ignorant as I am -4 pilot but haven't I seen some
inexpensive 3rd party mechanism that allows the canopy to do both tip &
slide? IS that a solution to your dilemma?
Do Not Archive
Robin
RV-4 200 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL
0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Charlie,
I opted for the slider for the only reason that it gives a hand hold to
get
in and out with. I hope that if I have any difficulty making it fit I
can
call on some of the local builders in the area, have them over for a
cold
drink and hope they will give me a hand in diagnosing the situation.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
-
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Ok, I need to order the fuselage before the price increase & the
operational ups & downs of tip vs slider seem to balance, at least for
me.
The tipping point (pardon the pun) seems to be installation pains. I
know that in the past, slider frames have been really tough for a lot of
people.
Those of you who have been there recently building the -7/-9 slider,
what's it been like fitting the frame, start to finish? The guys at
Van's are hinting that the new frames fit with less of a struggle.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
able to slide the canopy back after landing.
I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
<pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
on
> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>
> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
> the tip-up.
I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
;-)
Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
http://thervjournal.com
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| Subject: | Flap Actuator Template for RV8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
I guess I am slow but have missed the address or e-mail to get this drawing
of the template. I have seen a real nice cover made by Jim Daniels in New
Mexico on his RV8 and I'm curious if this is the one evryone is sharing?
If possible can someone re-post it to the list or send it direct to my
e-mail (brucerv8 at charter dot net)
TIA,
Bruce Gray
RV8 Fuse
IN PREP STAGES FOR RIVETING(In Jig)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
John,
Are you familiar with the "Aeroelectric List" ? Lots of discussion about E/P
mags over there. Archive search will turn up tons of 'em...
_http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/aeroelectric-list/date.html_
(http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/aeroelectric-list/date.html)
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RV-List: E Mag
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed
system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated.
John Furey
RV6A
F1 in process
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
The other day, we were doing formation practice. I heard something I never
thought I would ever hear...a pilot (who shall remain nameless) admitted
that the slider got in the way of his view. We were trying to polish
echelon turns, and this guy commented, "When I turn right, I get a face full
of metal."
Nuff said. ;-) There's nothing like the visibility in the tip-up.
Also want to add that on hot days, when holding short or sitting in the
run-up area waiting for thumbs up from 8, 7, 6, ..., I drop my RPM to idle
and open the tip-up all the way. Plenty o breeze and believe it or not the
canopy stays put. My gas struts have 700+ hours on 'em but they're still
strong enough.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (715 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> Agree with Sam Completely.
> Frankly you can not tell the difference between a slider that is back
> from a tip-up that is cocked up on the latch. Except for the "dude"
> factor of hanging your arm out on the slider, air flow is the same.
>
> Mike
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>>
>> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> on
>> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>
>> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> the tip-up.
>
>
> I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
> placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
>
> to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>
> Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
> ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NON rv related, looking for local efax number |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
Do not Archive
Sorry Jeff, I don't have a Chicago efax however, I have a Maryland area
code (443) for my efax if any one would like to trade for a 208 area code.
Sorry for the intrusion
Dave
----- > Do not archive.
>
> I have a Reno number for my efax and am wondering if someone has a Chicago
> number, 708,773,312,847,630. I'll give up my Reno number if someone wants
> it.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 235 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Lewis" <rv10@tpg.com.au>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the
>> Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but
>> the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has
>> them.
>>
>> So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I
>> thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to
>> the same question in future.
>>
>> Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards
>> with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same
>> with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on
>> the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe
>> caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange
>> bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the
>> RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's
>> tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case.
>>
>> The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in
>> with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it
>> outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report
>> fuel leaks from around this seal.
>> The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip
>> presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of
>> the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and
>> seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is
>> released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily
>> lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard
>> cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden
>> below the clip.
>>
>> Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought
>> them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to
>> lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they
>> cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the
>> amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . .
>>
>> I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully
>> will clarify some of my babble from above!!
>>
>> Have fun all,
>> Scott Lewis
>> RV-10 40172
>> Adelaide, South Australia
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
How would you "lose" the canopy to a gust? Sure, if you left it open facing
into the wind and it slammed down, but who does that? I've flown my tip-up
equipped RV-7 into some pretty windy/gusty conditions and haven't had a
problem. The combo of a parking brake and discretion go a long way.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
If you're going to travel the Country, I'd get a slider. I landed and
parked in Bullhead City, AZ a couple of months ago to spend a couple of
nights in Laughlin, NV (across the river) and the desert wind was blowing.
Their parking arrangment was such that you could not park into the wind. I
remember thinking I had made the right decision choosing the slider. Now my
question is, what's the best rudder lock for a Nine?
Chuck Weyant
RV9A
----- Original Message -----
> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> John L. Danielson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>>
>> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> on
>> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>
>> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> the tip-up.
>
>
> I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
> placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
>
> to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>
> Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
> ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Where was this discussion before I ordered my slider QB 9A fuse in
June? Where?
Well, I've spent an hour in a slider 9 and another hour + in a slider 7
and while the bar isn't the prettiest thing in the world, it's thin and
the visibility is STILL great.
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>The other day, we were doing formation practice. I heard something I never
>thought I would ever hear...a pilot (who shall remain nameless) admitted
>that the slider got in the way of his view. We were trying to polish
>echelon turns, and this guy commented, "When I turn right, I get a face full
>of metal."
>
>Nuff said. ;-) There's nothing like the visibility in the tip-up.
>
>Also want to add that on hot days, when holding short or sitting in the
>run-up area waiting for thumbs up from 8, 7, 6, ..., I drop my RPM to idle
>and open the tip-up all the way. Plenty o breeze and believe it or not the
>canopy stays put. My gas struts have 700+ hours on 'em but they're still
>strong enough.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (715 hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>><mstewart@iss.net>
>>
>>Agree with Sam Completely.
>>Frankly you can not tell the difference between a slider that is back
>>from a tip-up that is cocked up on the latch. Except for the "dude"
>>factor of hanging your arm out on the slider, air flow is the same.
>>
>>Mike
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>>
>>Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
>>>
>>>
>><pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>>
>>
>>>Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
>>>
>>>
>>on
>>
>>
>>>the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>>>open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>>
>>>If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>>>the tip-up.
>>>
>>>
>>I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
>>Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
>>in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
>>placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
>>propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
>>stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
>>the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
>>
>>to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>>
>>Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
>>;-)
>>
>>Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
>>http://thervjournal.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
I've seen lots, and I mean lots of Cherokees and Cessnas with door hinge
repairs and even new doors because of "wind accidents." Don't say it can't
happen, it does and it's ugly when it does.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
>> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
>> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> How would you "lose" the canopy to a gust? Sure, if you left it open
> facing
> into the wind and it slammed down, but who does that? I've flown my
> tip-up
> equipped RV-7 into some pretty windy/gusty conditions and haven't had a
> problem. The combo of a parking brake and discretion go a long way.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Just orderd RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Dan,
Congratulation - "Fun Begins"
but wait until you flight your 8 - Wow
Best Wishes,
Chuck Rowbotham
RV8A
>From: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Just orderd RV-8
>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:25:06 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
> !!!!!I just ordered my RV-8 QB !!!
>My first kit I'm SO EXCITED
>
>Dan,
>Cleaning out the Garage !~ to make room !@@!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which should
give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good friend in
a nose over in a tip-up this year.
Ollie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>
> I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
> able to slide the canopy back after landing.
> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> John L. Danielson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>>
>> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> on
>> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>
>> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> the tip-up.
>
>
> I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
> placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
>
> to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>
> Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
> ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Found it!
http://www.aircraftextras.com/Tip-Up-Slider1.htm
Looks like a Slider that also Tips Up for ~$150.00.
Robin
RV-4 200 Hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
I've seen lots, and I mean lots of Cherokees and Cessnas with door hinge
repairs and even new doors because of "wind accidents." Don't say it
can't
happen, it does and it's ugly when it does.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main
reason I
>> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
>> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> How would you "lose" the canopy to a gust? Sure, if you left it open
> facing
> into the wind and it slammed down, but who does that? I've flown my
> tip-up
> equipped RV-7 into some pretty windy/gusty conditions and haven't had
a
> problem. The combo of a parking brake and discretion go a long way.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Ollie,
Is it your opinion that your friend would have lived with the rollbar?
Was this an RV?
Mike
Very sorry about your friend
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Washburn
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which
should
give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good
friend in
a nose over in a tip-up this year.
Ollie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>
> I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
> able to slide the canopy back after landing.
> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason
I
> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> John L. Danielson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>>
>> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> on
>> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>
>> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> the tip-up.
>
>
> I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to
be
> placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable
enough
>
> to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>
> Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the
airframe.....
> ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
What reference material are you using that states the tip-up caused the death?
Darrell
Oliver Washburn <ollie6a@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn"
A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which should
give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good friend in
a nose over in a tip-up this year.
Ollie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Danielson"
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson"
>
> I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
> able to slide the canopy back after landing.
> I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason I
> went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>
> John L. Danielson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan
>
> Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
>
>>
>> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> on
>> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>>
>> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> the tip-up.
>
>
> I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to be
> placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable enough
>
> to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>
> Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the airframe.....
> ;-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "oliver h washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Mike,
Yes it was an RV and i suppose there is no way of knowing, but if you lay
a straight edge on a tip-up drawing it goes right through the tip-up and
just maybe a rollbar would have prevented his broken neck. I was the second
one there and I"m saying no more.
Ollie
> [Original Message]
> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) <mstewart@iss.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/7/2005 3:04:02 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> Ollie,
> Is it your opinion that your friend would have lived with the rollbar?
> Was this an RV?
> Mike
> Very sorry about your friend
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Washburn
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
>
> A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which
> should
> give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good
> friend in
> a nose over in a tip-up this year.
>
> Ollie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
> >
> > I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
> > able to slide the canopy back after landing.
> > I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason
> I
> > went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> > gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
> >
> > John L. Danielson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> >
> > Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> > <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
> >>
> >> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> > on
> >> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
> >> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
> >>
> >> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
> >> the tip-up.
> >
> >
> > I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> > Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> > in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to
> be
> > placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> > propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> > stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> > the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable
> enough
> >
> > to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
> >
> > Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the
> airframe.....
> > ;-)
> >
> > Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> > http://thervjournal.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
What would be the basis for believing that the slider would provide better
protection if you turn turtle in an RV? My inclination is to believe the
opposite, that a tip-up would be better, based on the roll bar being closer to
your head. While there might be specific examples where a slider would have
provided more protection, can anyone describe a general principle that would
suggest that they are safer?
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
As to the no response to my question, and that's okay... If I'm correct the tip-up
has a roll bar above head area of the seats? Seems to me a roll bar up front
would have some good but what about where your heads going to most likely be?
Darrell
do not archive
oliver h washburn <ollie6a@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "oliver h washburn"
Mike,
Yes it was an RV and i suppose there is no way of knowing, but if you lay
a straight edge on a tip-up drawing it goes right through the tip-up and
just maybe a rollbar would have prevented his broken neck. I was the second
one there and I"m saying no more.
Ollie
> [Original Message]
> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
> To:
> Date: 12/7/2005 3:04:02 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>
> Ollie,
> Is it your opinion that your friend would have lived with the rollbar?
> Was this an RV?
> Mike
> Very sorry about your friend
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Washburn
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn"
>
> A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which
> should
> give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good
> friend in
> a nose over in a tip-up this year.
>
> Ollie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Danielson"
> To:
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson"
> >
> > I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
> > able to slide the canopy back after landing.
> > I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason
> I
> > went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
> > gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
> >
> > John L. Danielson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan
> >
> > Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
> >
> >>
> >> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
> > on
> >> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
> >> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
> >>
> >> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
> >> the tip-up.
> >
> >
> > I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
> > Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
> > in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to
> be
> > placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
> > propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
> > stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
> > the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable
> enough
> >
> > to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
> >
> > Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the
> airframe.....
> > ;-)
> >
> > Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
> > http://thervjournal.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
---------------------------------
Let fate take it's course directly to your email.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com" <czechsix@juno.com>
John,
I think it depends on your objectives. If you want the simplest installation, go
with the E-Mag/P-Mag combo. If I had to do it over, that's what I'd do. I put
dual Lightspeeds in my airplane (before the E/P-mag products were announced).
Lightspeed does retain a couple advantages over the E/P-mags. One is that if
you use the crank-triggered timing pickup(s) on the Lightspeed system, it has
zero moving parts which in theory makes it more reliable in the long term. A
second perceived advantage from talking to both vendors is that Lightspeed's timing
curves are a bit more aggressive and have a proven track record of superior
efficiency (i.e. Klaus Savier's racing records and Jon Johanson's round the
world flights). I talked to the guys producing the E/P-Mags and they told me
their timing curves were more conservative (this could also be a good thing if
you question whether Lightspeed's timing curves may be getting too close to
the limit...but lots of Lightspeed systems have been running out there and I am
not aware of any documented engine damage occurring as a result of the ignition
timing).
That said, the downside to the Lightspeed system is that it's more of a pain to
install...you gotta mount the control box, mount the coils, run coax from the
box to the coils and then the ignition leads from the coils to the spark plugs.
Oh and by the way the box is supposed to be mounted outside of the engine compartment
meaning you have to run wiring & man. pressure hose through the firewall
and find someplace in the cabin to put the box. If you ignore this advice
like I did, you have to worry about heat and moisture getting into the control
box. And the ignition leads may not be the right length depending on where
you mount the coils, so you may have to send them back like I did and get new
ones made to fit your installation. And then if you have dual Lightspeeds you
have to worry about backup electrical source (a second battery in my case).
The E/P-mag system is so much easier to install as a system, and especially since
you don't have to worry about backup electrical source, that I would go that
route if I had to do it over. The only reason I would hesitate on the E/P-Mag
system at this time is because they have a relatively short track-record and
it's possible that you could experience unforeseen problems with the system and/or
company. But we already know that Lightspeed is not without its issues....not
the least of which is starter kick-back which has been well-documented by
a number of unfortunate souls on this List.
That's my advice, worth what ya paid for it...
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D almost ready for final inspection, in the middle of an Iowa ice age...
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RV-List: E Mag
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed
system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated.
John Furey
RV6A
F1 in process
John,
I think it depends on your objectives. If you want the simplest installation, go
with the E-Mag/P-Mag combo. If I had to do it over, that's what I'd do. I put
dual Lightspeeds in my airplane (before the E/P-mag products were announced).
Lightspeed does retain a couple advantages over the E/P-mags. One is that if
you use the crank-triggered timing pickup(s) on the Lightspeed system, it has
zero moving parts which in theory makes it more reliable in the long term. A
second perceived advantage from talking to both vendors is that Lightspeed's timing
curves are a bit more aggressive and have a proven track record of superior
efficiency (i.e. Klaus Savier's racing records and Jon Johanson's round the
world flights). I talked to the guys producing the E/P-Mags and they told me
their timing curves were more conservative (this could also be a good thing if
you question whether Lightspeed's timing curves may be getting too close to
the limit...but lots of Lightspeed systems have been running out there and I am
not aware of any documented engine damage occurring as a result of the ignition
timing).
That said, the downside to the Lightspeed system is that it's more of a pain to
install...you gotta mount the control box, mount the coils, run coax from the
box to the coils and then the ignition leads from the coils to the spark plugs.
Oh and by the way the box is supposed to be mounted outside of the engine compartment
meaning you have to run wiring man. pressure hose through the firewall
and find someplace in the cabin to put the box. If you ignore this advice
like I did, you have to worry about heat and moisture getting into the control
box. And the ignition leads may not be the right length depending on where you
mount the coils, so you may have to send them back like I did and get new ones
made to fit your installation. And then if you have dual Lightspeeds you have
to worry about backup electrical source (a second battery in my case).
The E/P-mag system is so much easier to install as a system, and especially since
you don't have to worry about backup electrical source, that I would go that
route if I had to do it over. The only reason I would hesitate on the E/P-Mag
system at this time is because they have a relatively short track-record and
it's possible that you could experience unforeseen problems with the system and/or
company. But we already know that Lightspeed is not without its issues....not
the least of which is starter kick-back which has been well-documented by
a number of unfortunate souls on this List.
That's my advice, worth what ya paid for it...
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D almost ready for final inspection, in the middle ofan Iowa ice age...
From: "John Furey" john@fureychrysler.com
Subject: RV-List: E Mag
-- RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" john@fureychrysler.com
I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed
system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated.
John Furey
RV6A
F1 in process
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 12/07/2005 10:21:46 AM Central Standard Time,
lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes:
And, both canopies will leak if care is not taken when they are built up and
installed. With a little TLC...and work both types will keep things pretty dry.
>>>>
Absolutomundo- but the BIG diff is looks- looking OUT and looking AT! (Don't
you build no ugly RV!) After 260 hours on my, yes, it's a "tipper", I really
think I went the right way. Big advantages for me (YMMV and usually will) is
that in my plane, a flame from a lighter will stand straight up at 180 mph
with the vents closed, and NO noise from air whistling around the cockpit. I
have heard that some slider builders have tamed the air leakage but it really
seems to be easier on the tipper. Summers here in TN are pretty nasty so add
some airflow via cockpit fan and don't sweat it...
Alternative might be an open cockpit RV- anyone wanna finance a really
interesting project for me to build? 8-)
Mark - do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
The only down side to the lightspeed system as I'm told is the owner... many complaints
that his attitude if you have a problem, it's your problem as in if something
has gone wrong you had to of screwed something up on your own... he accepts
no responsibility. I've heard this from many builders trying to get support
out of him.
Darrell
"czechsix@juno.com" <czechsix@juno.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com"
John,
I think it depends on your objectives. If you want the simplest installation, go
with the E-Mag/P-Mag combo. If I had to do it over, that's what I'd do. I put
dual Lightspeeds in my airplane (before the E/P-mag products were announced).
Lightspeed does retain a couple advantages over the E/P-mags. One is that if
you use the crank-triggered timing pickup(s) on the Lightspeed system, it has
zero moving parts which in theory makes it more reliable in the long term. A
second perceived advantage from talking to both vendors is that Lightspeed's timing
curves are a bit more aggressive and have a proven track record of superior
efficiency (i.e. Klaus Savier's racing records and Jon Johanson's round the
world flights). I talked to the guys producing the E/P-Mags and they told me
their timing curves were more conservative (this could also be a good thing if
you question whether Lightspeed's timing curves may be getting too close to
the limit...but lots of Lightspeed systems have been!
running out there and I am not aware of any documented engine damage occurring
as a result of the ignition timing).
That said, the downside to the Lightspeed system is that it's more of a pain to
install...you gotta mount the control box, mount the coils, run coax from the
box to the coils and then the ignition leads from the coils to the spark plugs.
Oh and by the way the box is supposed to be mounted outside of the engine compartment
meaning you have to run wiring & man. pressure hose through the firewall
and find someplace in the cabin to put the box. If you ignore this advice
like I did, you have to worry about heat and moisture getting into the control
box. And the ignition leads may not be the right length depending on where
you mount the coils, so you may have to send them back like I did and get new
ones made to fit your installation. And then if you have dual Lightspeeds you
have to worry about backup electrical source (a second battery in my case).
The E/P-mag system is so much easier to install as a system, and especially since
you don't have to worry about backup electrical source, that I would go that
route if I had to do it over. The only reason I would hesitate on the E/P-Mag
system at this time is because they have a relatively short track-record and
it's possible that you could experience unforeseen problems with the system and/or
company. But we already know that Lightspeed is not without its issues....not
the least of which is starter kick-back which has been well-documented by
a number of unfortunate souls on this List.
That's my advice, worth what ya paid for it...
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D almost ready for final inspection, in the middle of an Iowa ice age...
From: "John Furey"
Subject: RV-List: E Mag
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey"
I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed
system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated.
John Furey
RV6A
F1 in process
John,
I think it depends on your objectives. If you want the simplest installation, go
with the E-Mag/P-Mag combo. If I had to do it over, that's what I'd do. I put
dual Lightspeeds in my airplane (before the E/P-mag products were announced).
Lightspeed does retain a couple advantages over the E/P-mags. One is that if
you use the crank-triggered timing pickup(s) on the Lightspeed system, it has
zero moving parts which in theory makes it more reliable in the long term. A
second perceived advantage from talking to both vendors is that Lightspeed's timing
curves are a bit more aggressive and have a proven track record of superior
efficiency (i.e. Klaus Savier's racing records and Jon Johanson's round the
world flights). I talked to the guys producing the E/P-Mags and they told me
their timing curves were more conservative (this could also be a good thing if
you question whether Lightspeed's timing curves may be getting too close to
the limit...but lots of Lightspeed systems have been!
running out there and I am not aware of any documented engine damage occurring
as a result of the ignition timing).
That said, the downside to the Lightspeed system is that it's more of a pain to
install...you gotta mount the control box, mount the coils, run coax from the
box to the coils and then the ignition leads from the coils to the spark plugs.
Oh and by the way the box is supposed to be mounted outside of the engine compartment
meaning you have to run wiring man. pressure hose through the firewall
and find someplace in the cabin to put the box. If you ignore this advice
like I did, you have to worry about heat and moisture getting into the control
box. And the ignition leads may not be the right length depending on where you
mount the coils, so you may have to send them back like I did and get new ones
made to fit your installation. And then if you have dual Lightspeeds you have
to worry about backup electrical source (a second battery in my case).
The E/P-mag system is so much easier to install as a system, and especially since
you don't have to worry about backup electrical source, that I would go that
route if I had to do it over. The only reason I would hesitate on the E/P-Mag
system at this time is because they have a relatively short track-record and
it's possible that you could experience unforeseen problems with the system and/or
company. But we already know that Lightspeed is not without its issues....not
the least of which is starter kick-back which has been well-documented by
a number of unfortunate souls on this List.
That's my advice, worth what ya paid for it...
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D almost ready for final inspection, in the middle ofan Iowa ice age...
From: "John Furey" john@fureychrysler.com
Subject: RV-List: E Mag
-- RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" john@fureychrysler.com
I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed
system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated.
John Furey
RV6A
F1 in process
Darrell
RV7A - 622DR Reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I have finally gotten around to gathering up some odds and ends that have
accumulated that I will sell to a good home for the right price. As always,
email me direct at brian@engalt.com, not to the entire list. You can also
call me at 904-536-1780. Here is what I have at the moment:
Midget Mustang, 109 hours TT, O-200 with about 1,100 hours SMOH, 174 MPH
cruise, new Imron paint job, custom stainless exhaust, VFR day/night -
$22,000 OBO
Sonerai II, 450 hours TT, 1835 VW with 55 hours SMOH, good flying
condition - $9,000 OBO
KR-2, 45 hours TT, Revmaster 2100 turbo with 45 hours TT, was flying, but
one wing water damaged, have new spars to build another. Whole plane -
$8,000, engine only with Hegy prop - $3,500, will sell cowl, engine mount,
and rest of firewall forward package for $500 with engine, brand new Grove
gear and mounting brackets $1,100. Will not sell gear separate unless
someone else buys the plane without it.
Vacuum pump, mounting bracket for VW, filter, regulator, vacuum gauge,
attitude indicator, and heading indicator - $1,000.
Brand spanking new Garmin GTX 320A transponder in original box with tray and
all connectors - $1,000.
Nice small IFR radio package including Terra TX720 com radio, Terra TN200
nav receiver with ILS and glideslope, Arnav 20 loran, Terra Trinav C display
with digital CDI for nav or loran, ILS indicator, and glideslope indicator,
ICS intercom with 3 light marker beacon - $3,000 for complete package with
all trays and wiring harnesses.
Bendix TR-641 A transponder with brand spanking new ACK encoder already
wired to it - $700.
RT-359A transponder with brand new ACK encoder already wired to it - $700.
Sportys SP-200 handheld with headset adaptor cables - $220.
Garmin GPS-90 aviation handheld GPS with yoke mount, external power cord,
external antenna suction cup mount, original manual, and cigarette lighter
plug $120.
1965 bomber emergency parachute with C9 canopy freshly certified and
repacked - $400.
All located in Jacksonville, FL.
And no, I am not getting out of flying, just need more room at the moment.
Once two of the planes go the other one comes off the market until I get my
KR-2S done.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
As Ollie said, draw a line from the top of the tail to the nose on both
designs. On the slider, there is quite a rise in the line as it goes over
the rollbar, not so on the tip up. At 6'2", as I sit in a tip up, my head
is almost as high as the rollbar. Bodies & belts stretch quite a bit. If
I flipped in a tip up I expect the top of my head would get quite a whack
and could easily break my neck. In a slider, I might hit the canopy, but
that's a lot softer than the pavement. Which you rather hit, a plexiglass
canopy, or a canopy backed up by pavement?
Of course if the tail bends very much, all bets are off.
Richard Scott
RV-9A
Wings
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