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1. 02:07 AM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) ()
2. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: E Mag (Ron Lee)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (Ron Lee)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: NON rv related, looking for local efax number (Jeff Dowling)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (Rob Prior (rv7))
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) (RobHickman@aol.com)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (Bob J)
8. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) (Dan Checkoway)
9. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: E Mag (J. R. Dial)
10. 11:12 AM - Tip up vs slider (charles heathco)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) (Dan Checkoway)
12. 11:15 AM - Lying on medical (charles heathco)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: Lying on medical (Bruce Gray)
14. 11:58 AM - Lying on medical (Robin Marks)
15. 11:58 AM - Re: Lying on medical (jim)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) (Dan Checkoway)
17. 12:18 PM - Re: Tip up vs slider (LarryRobertHelming)
18. 12:24 PM - Re: Lying on medical (Mickey Coggins)
19. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (Doug Gray)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: Lying on medical (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
21. 02:25 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick (Steve Sampson)
22. 02:26 PM - Re: Lying on medical (DAVE MADER)
23. 02:47 PM - Re: Lying on medical (Ron Lee)
24. 03:11 PM - Weight & Balance Arm (DAVID REEL)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 12/07/05 (Jack Loflin)
26. 03:23 PM - CNX-80/GNS-480 Rack/Install kit (Jack Loflin)
27. 03:59 PM - Re: Lying on medical (Jim Cimino)
28. 04:24 PM - Re: Weight & Balance Arm (Kevin Horton)
29. 04:28 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOB (Herron, Al)
30. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) (Charlie England)
31. 04:43 PM - Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOB AL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 (Herron, Al)
32. 07:00 PM - Re: Weight & Balance Arm (Alex Peterson)
33. 07:35 PM - ND New Alternator kit (Darrell Reiley)
34. 07:41 PM - Re:Lying on Medical (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
35. 07:52 PM - Re: Lying on medical (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
36. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (Bob J)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Subject: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide?
>The other day, we were doing formation practice. I heard something I never
>thought I would ever hear...a pilot (who shall remain nameless) admitted
>that the slider got in the way of his view. We were trying to polish
>echelon turns, and this guy commented, "When I turn right, I get a face
full
>of metal."
>Nuff said. ;-) There's nothing like the visibility in the tip-up.
Dan:
Tell him lean 1-inch forward, or move his head back or forward or left or to
the right.
Geeeeeee, lol.
Me thinks he exaggerate, but the tip-up does have an unobstructed view just like
my RV-4;
My RV-7 has a slider, but the way you did it Dan, is perfect for you.
Nuff said ;-) George
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>The only down side to the lightspeed system as I'm told is the owner...
>many complaints that his attitude if you have a problem, it's your problem
>as in if something has gone wrong you had to of screwed something up on
>your own... he accepts no responsibility. I've heard this from many
>builders trying to get support out of him.
>
> Darrell
I have exactly the opposite experience. When I had a problem, which
ultimately may have
just been some contact "corrosion," Klaus sent me replacement parts to help
diagnose
the problem. In the process of replacing things the problem cleared and
he tested my
unit for functionality.
So I was happy with his support.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Here is an article that may help. Bottom line is that both have advantages
http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/tipupvsslider.htm
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: NON rv related, looking for local efax number |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
I also have a Cleveland now. Who wants it?
do not archive
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: NON rv related, looking for local efax number
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
>
> Do not Archive
> Sorry Jeff, I don't have a Chicago efax however, I have a Maryland area
> code (443) for my efax if any one would like to trade for a 208 area code.
>
> Sorry for the intrusion
>
> Dave
>
> ----- > Do not archive.
>>
>> I have a Reno number for my efax and am wondering if someone has a
>> Chicago
>> number, 708,773,312,847,630. I'll give up my Reno number if someone
>> wants
>> it.
>>
>> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>> RV-6A, N915JD
>> 235 hours
>> Chicago/Louisville
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Lewis" <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: Deluxe Fuel Caps INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>>>
>>> G'day all,
>>>
>>> Several weeks ago I threw out a question asking for feedback on the
>>> Deluxe Fuel Caps available from Van's. I got a couple of responses, but
>>> the overall dearth of interest I took to mean that almost no-one has
>>> them.
>>>
>>> So . . . . . . now that I have the caps in my hot little hands, I
>>> thought I would throw out a PIREP for anyone searching for the answer to
>>> the same question in future.
>>>
>>> Straight out of the box the Deluxe Caps look nicer than the standards
>>> with a more polished appearance. The dimensions of both are the same
>>> with the exception of the diameter of the filler neck, which is less on
>>> the deluxe caps due to the locking mechanism. The flange on the deluxe
>>> caps has a curve machined into it, so there is no need for any flange
>>> bending. That being said, the curve is a little too tight to fit the
>>> RV-10 tank skins well, I would imagine it would fit the other model's
>>> tanks much better. Nothing a bit of Proseal can't fill in any case.
>>>
>>> The standard caps have no separate locking mechanism. They are held in
>>> with the seal, which is formed by squeezing an O-Ring, forcing it
>>> outwards against the filler neck. I have seen a number of people report
>>> fuel leaks from around this seal.
>>> The deluxe caps have a two stage mechanism. The lowering of the clip
>>> presses the O-Ring at the top of the cap down against the angled wall of
>>> the filler neck, forming a more positive seal. With the clip up (and
>>> seal released) the cap is still held in, though it is loose. The cap is
>>> released by turning the clip 45 degrees, at which point the caps easily
>>> lifts out (as opposed to the force required to pull out the standard
>>> cap). The deluxe caps also can come with a key lock which is hidden
>>> below the clip.
>>>
>>> Overall all I am very impressed with these caps and very glad I bought
>>> them. Besides the fact they are just better, I think the ability to
>>> lock them is valuable in this day and age (unfortunately). Yes, they
>>> cost significantly more than the standard caps, but compared to the
>>> amount of money we are sinking into these aircraft . . . . . . . .
>>>
>>> I will be uploading some pictures into the Photoshare which hopefully
>>> will clarify some of my babble from above!!
>>>
>>> Have fun all,
>>> Scott Lewis
>>> RV-10 40172
>>> Adelaide, South Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 7:24:04 2005-12-08 Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> Here is an article that may help. Bottom line is that both have
> advantages
>
> http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/tipupvsslider.htm
That article, or rather the comment that follows it, brings up a good point
that I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread (but that has been hashed
out many times on the list): Jettisoning the canopy in flight.
In the event of an emergency, you may wish to jettison the canopy to aid
egress after touching down. Or, you may wish to jettison the canopy to aid
egress during flight, so you can use your parachute.
The tip-up canopy has a jettison handle, but there is considerable debate
whether the linkages at the front and their route into the fuselage would
even allow the canopy to extract itself to depart the aircraft. Most seem
to agree that the "jettison" handle is really just a "maintenance access"
handle. Further, once the canopy is gone, you're going to be eating bugs
and taking a heck of a wind blast until you either land or bail out.
The slider in it's default configuration isn't jettisonable at all. But a
very common modification is to attach the forward sliders to the frame with
quick-release pins that allow the front of the canopy to be released from
the track. Once that is done, the canopy would only need to be pulled aft
far enough to clear any overlap with the front windshield (if you installed
a skirt there, it seems many people don't), and then pushed up into the
windstream. Aerodynamics and physics will take it from there. Expect
damage to the aft canopy track (and maybe the vertical stab/rudder, but
that's a risk when you jettison either canopy).
To complete the comparision with the tip-up, once the canopy is gone on the
slider, you will have a windshield still present to give you some
protection from the elements if you're riding it down.
-Rob
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Subject: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide?
>The other day, we were doing formation practice. I heard something I never
>thought I would ever hear...a pilot (who shall remain nameless) admitted
>that the slider got in the way of his view. We were trying to polish
>echelon turns, and this guy commented, "When I turn right, I get a face
full
>of metal."
>Nuff said. ;-) There's nothing like the visibility in the tip-up.
Dan,
Everyone knows that you can't possibly take yourself seriously as a
formation pilot with your navigator sitting next to you. :) They should be behind
you where they belong and their head does not get in the way.
At least you got the third wheel on the correct end of the plane..... :)
Rob Hickman
N401RH RV-4
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
One thing I'd like to point out is that a roll-over stucture is not the only
thing required to protect the occupants in a roll-over accident. Having
crotch straps in your harnesses will help protect the occupants from sliding
up the seats and might make the difference in avoiding any injuries of the
vertebrae (ie broken neck.)
For me, having a slider in the -6, I will never have one again.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const (tip-over canopy and rollbar)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Everyone knows that you can't possibly take yourself seriously as a
> formation pilot with your navigator sitting next to you. :) They should
> be behind
> you where they belong and their head does not get in the way.
>
> At least you got the third wheel on the correct end of the plane..... :)
big-a$$ seat in the middle.
do not archive
)_( Dan
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--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I have heard the same thing but I had a problem and a couple of
dumb questions and Klaus was very helpful and solved my problem. I am
very satisfied with my Lightspeed ignition. Maybe you caught him on a
bad day; I used to have some of those myself.
Dick
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Subject: Re: RV-List: re: E Mag
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>The only down side to the lightspeed system as I'm told is the owner...
>many complaints that his attitude if you have a problem, it's your
problem
>as in if something has gone wrong you had to of screwed something up on
>your own... he accepts no responsibility. I've heard this from many
>builders trying to get support out of him.
>
> Darrell
I have exactly the opposite experience. When I had a problem, which
ultimately may have
just been some contact "corrosion," Klaus sent me replacement parts to
help
diagnose
the problem. In the process of replacing things the problem cleared
and
he tested my
unit for functionality.
So I was happy with his support.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Tip up vs slider |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
I see on digest there is lots of responses , didnt read em all but here is my 2
cents worth as an older fellow. Its very easy to grab the hand holds on the roll
bar on the slider and drop in or pull yourself out, I only got in and out
of a tip up once, and found it much harder to get in and out of. Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Matronics filtered the response...here it was:
big-ass seat in the middle.
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>> Everyone knows that you can't possibly take yourself seriously as a
>> formation pilot with your navigator sitting next to you. :) They
>> should
>> be behind
>> you where they belong and their head does not get in the way.
>>
>> At least you got the third wheel on the correct end of the plane..... :)
>
> big-a$$ seat in the middle.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
Anybody see the report of the guy making false statements on his med aplication
and is now facing federal charges that could get him 5 yrs in the pokey and or
$250000 fine? Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Yep, and if he hadn't passed out while flying, he'd still be.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco
Subject: RV-List: Lying on medical
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
Anybody see the report of the guy making false statements on his med
aplication and is now facing federal charges that could get him 5 yrs in the
pokey and or $250000 fine? Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
A friend of mine did NOT lie on his medical about a very light dose of
anti-depressants he was taking (Hay, he flies a Beech Sundowner; you
would be depressed too!) and he had to fight with the examiner and the
FAA for 8 months to be reinstated from suspension. Right after
reinstatement his plane went into annual and so that was the better part
of a year W/O flying all the time paying for a tie down, insurance
etc... I am not suggesting one needs to lie but some of the systems and
procedures of the FAA as are antiquated as the steam gauges we are
flying behind.
Robin
RV-4 200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Charles,
Could you give me the URL for that report. I'd like to include it on my website.
Thanks,
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
jim@sportsplanes.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
>
>Anybody see the report of the guy making false statements on his med aplication
and is now facing federal charges that could get him 5 yrs in the pokey and
or $250000 fine? Charlie Heathco
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at mail.pellien.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Wow, that's the 2nd time it stripped my response. Wasn't dirty or
spam-like. Oh, well, nevermind!!
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Matronics filtered the response...here it was:
>
> big-ass seat in the middle.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee)
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>> Everyone knows that you can't possibly take yourself seriously as a
>>> formation pilot with your navigator sitting next to you. :) They
>>> should
>>> be behind
>>> you where they belong and their head does not get in the way.
>>>
>>> At least you got the third wheel on the correct end of the plane.....
>>> :)
>>
>> big-a$$ seat in the middle.
>>
>> do not archive
>> )_( Dan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tip up vs slider |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
By golly, thanks Charlie!! I think you id'ed yet another reason for the tip
up: It will keep you in better shape. Pick the tip up and you will have to
stay in better shape just because it is harder getting into and out of it.
Seriously, the tip up is a great design. It is air tight, quiet, and a
great view. It might be easier to install, but even the tip up requires
lots of work than first meets the eye. It is reasonably cool with the top
set in taxi position when under a blazing sun with prop running. It helps
also to have the sun shade accessory or some tinted screen on the glass top.
And, you can use the area on top of the fuselage immediately behind the
canopy for locating a radio antenna.
(((Staying by the fire today -- it is cold and snowing in southern Indiana.
do not archive.)))
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 77 hours
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
Subject: RV-List: Tip up vs slider
> --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
>
> I see on digest there is lots of responses , didnt read em all but here is
> my 2 cents worth as an older fellow. Its very easy to grab the hand holds
> on the roll bar on the slider and drop in or pull yourself out, I only got
> in and out of a tip up once, and found it much harder to get in and out
> of. Charlie Heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Yes, be careful filling out those federal forms. One
typo can get you thrown in the slammer. It's a shame
we can't get our politicians to put their "promises"
in writing on a federal document! :-)
> Anybody see the report of the guy making false statements on his med
> aplication and is now facing federal charges that could get him 5 yrs
> in the pokey and or $250000 fine? Charlie Heathco
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
> For me, having a slider in the -6, I will never have one again.
> Bob Japundza
Is that because the F1 will be the last one you will have?
Seriously, please give your reasons.
Most of the discussion seems to be from tip up builders defending their decision.
I'm building a slider because I like the look of it and on balance the practicalities
seem about the
same.
I simply do not like the appearance of a tip-up when it is open or part open.
I don't like the behind the panel & wiring exposed to the world. It's a bit like
exposing your
underwear in public, only rarely is it attractive. I'm sure a suitable cover can
be fabricated so it
is probably not a consideration.
I also do not like the jigglys when taxying.
The $ risk of damaged avionics due to water leakage behind the panel via the hinge
slots was the
final clincher.
A down side of the slider is the extra metalwork in the field of view. However,
when flying I have
never noticed my view to have been obscured by frames or bars and without exception
the few aircraft
I have flown have had much more metalwork to look at than in the RV slider.
I real plus for the tip up is the access behind the panel. For the slider you
can choose to add sub
panels for some instruments or a screwed access panel on the top skin.
Most practical issues can be addressed so IMO it comes back to general aesthetics.
Doug Gray
RV-6 Fuse - soon to commence the canopy
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
I wish the FAA would lighten up on the anti-depressants a bit, my son could fly.
However I realize why they don't. The side-effects can be devastating including
seizures. But rather than just a blanket ban on pilots, I'd like to see some
sort of medical evluation of the pilot, the med and the situation instead
of the FAA version of the "soup Nazi."
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
>
> A friend of mine did NOT lie on his medical about a very light dose of
> anti-depressants he was taking (Hay, he flies a Beech Sundowner; you
> would be depressed too!) and he had to fight with the examiner and the
> FAA for 8 months to be reinstated from suspension. Right after
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Ollie - sorry to dwell on this, but did it tip over forwards with the
nosewheel collapsing or some other way. Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: "oliver h washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
> --> RV-List message posted by: "oliver h washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
>
> Mike,
> Yes it was an RV and i suppose there is no way of knowing, but if you lay
> a straight edge on a tip-up drawing it goes right through the tip-up and
> just maybe a rollbar would have prevented his broken neck. I was the
> second
> one there and I"m saying no more.
>
> Ollie
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) <mstewart@iss.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 12/7/2005 3:04:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>>
>> Ollie,
>> Is it your opinion that your friend would have lived with the rollbar?
>> Was this an RV?
>> Mike
>> Very sorry about your friend
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Washburn
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
>>
>> A good case for the slider in my opinion is take a look at which
>> should
>> give you the most protection in case of a nose over. I lost a good
>> friend in
>> a nose over in a tip-up this year.
>>
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>> >
>> > I like the slider for the summer months when it is hot. Its nice to be
>> > able to slide the canopy back after landing.
>> > I live in Wyoming where the wind blows A LOT!. That is the main reason
>> I
>> > went with the slider. I would hate to loss the canopy to a 30-35 mph
>> > gust, and yes I have landed in those kind of winds and maybe more.
>> >
>> > John L. Danielson
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
>> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick
>> >
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>> >
>> > Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
>> > <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>> >>
>> >> Where do you fly? I have to think being able to pull the slider back
>> > on
>> >> the ground in the summer is huge.. I roast in my 152 with the windows
>> >> open even on those long taxis, waiting for release, etc...
>> >>
>> >> If I were in Seattle where it was never 90 and humid I think I'd want
>> >> the tip-up.
>> >
>> >
>> > I fly, just as Mike does, in the hot, humid, muggy, sticky, hazy
>> > Southeast USA. In my opinion, the oft-repeated advantage of the slider
>> > in hot climates is overstated. The tip-up latch allows the canopy to
>> be
>> > placed in a taxi position that creates a strong flow of air from
>> > propwash through the cabin at face level that allows the occupants to
>> > stay reasonable comfortable. Any RV is going to be warm during taxi in
>> > the summer, but I have never found the tip-up to be uncomfortable
>> enough
>> >
>> > to tempt me to trade away the fantastic visibility the tip-up offers.
>> >
>> > Now...as far as whether or not to prime the inside of the
>> airframe.....
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > Sam Buchanan (~700 happy, comfortable hours in a tip-up RV-6)
>> > http://thervjournal.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVE MADER" <davemader@bresnan.net>
Never gave it much thought, but my son just got his 3rd class medical in the
L.A. area a month ago and in the course of the conversation, the Dr. told him
he knew of examiners that would pass you for X amount of dollars regardless of
medical history. I realize it's totally devious and illegal, but .....would
be tempting if you had some issues.
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:27:34 +0000
bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>
> I wish the FAA would lighten up on the anti-depressants a bit, my son could
>fly. However I realize why they don't. The side-effects can be devastating
>including seizures. But rather than just a blanket ban on pilots, I'd like
>to see some sort of medical evluation of the pilot, the med and the situation
>instead of the FAA version of the "soup Nazi."
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine did NOT lie on his medical about a very light dose of
>> anti-depressants he was taking (Hay, he flies a Beech Sundowner; you
>> would be depressed too!) and he had to fight with the examiner and the
>> FAA for 8 months to be reinstated from suspension. Right after
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/11_49a/briefs/191115-1.html
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance Arm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Getting ready to weigh my RV8A QB, I'm coming up with main wheel to wing leading
edge distance of 22 9/16 inches. The sample RV8A W&B in my instruction book
shows 24 inches. The plane is sitting at a 3 degree nose up angle, but I thought
I'd be closer to the book number than this. Could those of you who remember
let me know what your number came out for your RV8A?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 12/07/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jack Loflin <loflinj@comcast.net>
I have a UPSAT CNX-80/GARMIN GNS-480 install kit/rack for sale. Was wired by
John Stark Avionics last year. Cost me $550, asking $400.
E-mail if interested: loflinj@comcast.net
-Jack
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| Subject: | CNX-80/GNS-480 Rack/Install kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jack Loflin <loflinj@comcast.net>
I have a UPSAT CNX-80/GARMIN GNS-480 install kit/rack for sale. Was wired by
John Stark Avionics last year. Cost me $550, asking $400.
E-mail if interested: loflinj@comcast.net
-Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
Received-SPF: none
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I don't know about lying on the medical forms, but from what I know that
most drugs used to treat medical disorders will be disqualifying for a
medical. I have not found this out on my own...even though my wife is
trying her hardest to get me to need such drugs. Also, if you do lie on
your medical, you might as well save the insurance premium, since in most
cases when the truth comes out the insurance won't pay.
Jim
Jim Cimino
N7TL
RV-8 S/N 80039
150+ Hours
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Subject: RV-List: Lying on medical
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
>
> A friend of mine did NOT lie on his medical about a very light dose of
> anti-depressants he was taking (Hay, he flies a Beech Sundowner; you
> would be depressed too!) and he had to fight with the examiner and the
> FAA for 8 months to be reinstated from suspension. Right after
> reinstatement his plane went into annual and so that was the better part
> of a year W/O flying all the time paying for a tie down, insurance
> etc... I am not suggesting one needs to lie but some of the systems and
> procedures of the FAA as are antiquated as the steam gauges we are
> flying behind.
>
> Robin
> RV-4 200 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance Arm |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> Getting ready to weigh my RV8A QB, I'm coming up with main wheel to
> wing leading edge distance of 22 9/16 inches. The sample RV8A W&B
> in my instruction book shows 24 inches. The plane is sitting at a
> 3 degree nose up angle, but I thought I'd be closer to the book
> number than this. Could those of you who remember let me know what
> your number came out for your RV8A?
David,
If you drop a plumb line from the wing leading edge, and then slowly
tip the aircraft nose up, the distance from the plumb line to the
main wheel will decrease as you tip the aircraft up. Your
measurement of plumb line to main wheel is 1 7/16 inch less than you
expected, and your fuselage is tipped 3 degrees nose up. If your
main wheel was exactly where Van said it should be, and you tipped
the aircraft 3 degrees nose up, the error you measured implies the
leading edge is about 27.4 inches above the main wheel axle. This is
in the right ball park I think, so I suspect your main wheels are
roughly in the right place.
The aircraft really, really needs to be level when you do the weight
and balance. Otherwise it is a case of "garbage in, garbage out".
You would at first glance think you could simply measure the
distances from a plumb bob hung at the LE to the wheels, and use
those measurements, no matter if you aren't level. But, if we do
that, the empty CG we calculate is with respect to a line that is
sloped by 3 degrees from the vertical (because the aircraft was 3
degrees off level when you weighed it). This means we can't cross
reference to the recommended forward and aft CG limits that Van gives
us. Van's numbers are measured from a reference that is at 90
degrees to the fuselage reference line.
We could in theory correct your calculations to put them in the same
reference as Van uses, But, we can't make this correction unless we
know the vertical height of the aircraft's CG. We could
approximately figure that out if we took weighings at two very
different pitch attitudes and did some clever math (or plotting).
But, it is easier to simply level the aircraft, and do it once,
correctly.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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AL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912RV-7 Tip
or
slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOB |
AL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912RV-7 Tip
or
slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
--> RV-List message posted by: "Herron, Al" <Al.Herron@Aerojet.com>
I've opted for the slider on my '-7A. I think I can live with the slight
visual obstruction although I agree the tip-up would be better in this
regard. I like the slider for the western desert heat. I have mitigated
the instrument panel access issue by modifying the panel to hinge down based
on a design I saw in a recent RVator. I'm still in the process of building
the panel up but so far it's pretty slick - I can sit in the pilot seat and
basically drop the whole thing in my lap, or detach two bolts and some cable
connectors and pull the whole thing out to work on the bench. Easy mod.
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ive opted for the slider on my -7A. I
think I can live with the slight visual obstruction although I agree the tip-up
would be better in this regard. I like the slider for the western desert
heat. I have mitigated the instrument panel access issue by modifying the
panel to hinge down based on a design I saw in a recent RVator. Im
still in the process of building the panel up but so far its pretty
slick I can sit in the pilot seat and basically drop the whole thing in
my lap, or detach two bolts and some cable connectors and pull the whole thing
out to work on the bench. Easy mod.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It must be getting stripped by your ISP on the way back. It comes
through fine to the rest of us.
Charlie
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Wow, that's the 2nd time it stripped my response. Wasn't dirty or
>spam-like. Oh, well, nevermind!!
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee)
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>Matronics filtered the response...here it was:
>>
>>big-ass seat in the middle.
>>
>>do not archive
>>)_( Dan
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? (pleaseeee)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Everyone knows that you can't possibly take yourself seriously as a
>>>>formation pilot with your navigator sitting next to you. :) They
>>>>should
>>>>be behind
>>>>you where they belong and their head does not get in the way.
>>>>
>>>>At least you got the third wheel on the correct end of the plane.....
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>big-a$$ seat in the middle.
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>)_( Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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"IMB Recipient 1" <mspop3connector.Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOB |
AL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912;INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912RV-7 Tip or
slide? time to pick INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
--> RV-List message posted by: "Herron, Al" <Al.Herron@Aerojet.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Herron, Al" <Al.Herron@Aerojet.com>
I've opted for the slider on my '-7A. I think I can live with the slight
visual obstruction although I agree the tip-up would be better in this
regard. I like the slider for the western desert heat. I have mitigated
the instrument panel access issue by modifying the panel to hinge down based
on a design I saw in a recent RVator. I'm still in the process of building
the panel up but so far it's pretty slick - I can sit in the pilot seat and
basically drop the whole thing in my lap, or detach two bolts and some cable
connectors and pull the whole thing out to work on the bench. Easy mod.
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ive opted for the slider on my -7A. I
think I can live with the slight visual obstruction although I agree the tip-up
would be better in this regard. I like the slider for the western desert
heat. I have mitigated the instrument panel access issue by modifying the
panel to hinge down based on a design I saw in a recent RVator. Im
still in the process of building the panel up but so far its pretty
slick I can sit in the pilot seat and basically drop the whole thing in
my lap, or detach two bolts and some cable connectors and pull the whole thing
out to work on the bench. Easy mod.
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance Arm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
SNIP
> The aircraft really, really needs to be level when you do the
> weight and balance. Otherwise it is a case of "garbage in,
> garbage out".
SNIP
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
Maybe this has already been described, but a very easy way to get the plane
dead nuts level is to use about a 12 foot length of about 1/4" or larger PVC
tubing filled with water and taped to the fuselage. Put enough water in the
line to fill it from some forward part of the straight (level) longeron to
an aft location. Adjust the taped on tubing until the water levels are
close to the longeron. Now level the plane until the water levels are the
same distance above (or below) the longeron in both fore and aft positions.
One caution: make sure there are no bubbles in the water! Bubbles will
normally form in the tubing after a few hours, so if you come back to it
later make sure that you tap all the bubbles out.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 696 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | ND New Alternator kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
This is a nice alternator kit available with a ND or Mitsu NEW alternator.
I bought one, Richard sells a nice kit. EBay 4596218435
Worth checking out and the price is right...
Darrell
RV7A - 622DR Reserved
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| Subject: | Re:Lying on Medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I wonder what the fine would be for flying with NO medical ??
Might be worth trying it out. Might accumulate a bunch of hours for free.
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| Subject: | Re: Lying on medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 12/08/2005 2:01:35 PM Central Standard Time,
robin@mrmoisture.com writes:
A friend of mine did NOT lie on his medical about a very light dose of
anti-depressants he was taking
>>>
Yeah ain't it amazing how it's OK with the FAA for marginal
manic/depressive/AADD/depressed etc to fly without the aide of modern pharmaceuticals
on threat
of losing the ability to do so more safely?
Smoke THAT in yer pipe!
Mark do NOT archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 Tip or slide? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
On 12/8/05, Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
> > For me, having a slider in the -6, I will never have one again.
> > Bob Japundza
>
> Is that because the F1 will be the last one you will have?
>
> Seriously, please give your reasons.
I put a flop-over canopy on my F1. The main reason being the panoramic
view, and not having to look around a roll bar when flying formation. Fly
several hundred hours in a RV-6 then go fly a RV-4 or Rocket, you won't know
what your missing until you remove the roll bar from your view. It was
easier, cheaper, lighter, and very easy to seal. I had a total of about $50
in building the frame and $300 for the canopy. I couldn't be happier with
how it came out. If I had to do the -6 canopy over, I't go with the tip-up.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
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