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1. 12:05 AM - Re: looking for a nice RV-4 (Robin Marks)
2. 02:23 AM - Re: Re: ND New Alternator kit ()
3. 03:39 AM - Grove Intersection Fairings Available ()
4. 08:06 AM - Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Dan)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Bob Collins)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: looking for a nice RV-4 (Dan Beadle)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (John Jessen)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Smitty)
9. 09:22 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Matt Johnson)
10. 09:26 AM - Re: Glass Cockpit Options (Dane Sheahen)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Gary Cole)
12. 10:12 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (linn walters)
13. 10:19 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Smitty)
14. 10:39 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Charlie England)
15. 11:00 AM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Gary Cole)
16. 12:05 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (linn walters)
17. 12:08 PM - [ Les Featherston ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
18. 12:15 PM - [ Scott Lewis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 12:37 PM - New Item for RV's (Joseph Czachorowski)
20. 01:05 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (LarryRobertHelming)
21. 01:27 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Kevin Horton)
22. 01:53 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Rob Prior (rv7))
23. 01:55 PM - Re: Glass Cockpit Options (Mark & Kelly)
24. 03:06 PM - Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection (Dave Sundberg)
25. 03:55 PM - Re: Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection (Ed Holyoke)
26. 03:55 PM - Looking for used RV (-6, 7, 9) (DvdBock@aol.com)
27. 04:44 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? ()
28. 04:52 PM - Primers (Dan Beadle)
29. 05:05 PM - Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (Charlie Kuss)
30. 05:07 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (MLWynn@aol.com)
31. 05:09 PM - Re: Primers (MLWynn@aol.com)
32. 05:12 PM - Question for QB Fuse builders... (Matt Johnson)
33. 05:25 PM - Re: Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
34. 05:25 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
35. 05:25 PM - Re: Primers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
36. 05:34 PM - Re: Primers (David Burton)
37. 05:38 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (David Burton)
38. 05:46 PM - Re: Primers (Darrell Reiley)
39. 05:55 PM - Re: Primers (Darrell Reiley)
40. 06:27 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (Jim Jewell)
41. 07:36 PM - Re: Primers (Randy Lervold)
42. 07:43 PM - Cylinder Kits? Which to buy...? (Darrell Reiley)
43. 08:25 PM - Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (James H Nelson)
44. 08:39 PM - Re: Primers (Fiveonepw@AOL.COM)
45. 09:55 PM - Tool kits (Dan)
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| Subject: | looking for a nice RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Here is a 2003 RV-4 with ~220 hours. Very clean and excellent panel. No
FI and no C/S. Built light & right as they say. I photographed & created
this site today so it is still not 100% populated. A lot of photos so I
hope you have a High Speed connection. I would normally hold off to sell
this in March when pilots begin to thaw but I have my eye on another RV
and my wife will never understand a 4th plane.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv/
Robin
RV-4 220 hours
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| Subject: | Re: ND New Alternator kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Nothing new it is cool. Write him, check his ratings. Does he use paypal. I am
almost 100% sure this is not a scam. Also the price is not suspect, it is kind
of high actually, so that tells you it is legit. The scams are selling the Garmin
396 for $500.
I have sold $1000's of aircraft parts over the last 4 years, real aircraft part.
The above units is of course a "experimental" unit for homebuilts. This is
common, and is peoples business. If I make a do-dad to sell RV builders, I will
use eBay. G
>What is the deal with Ebay selling of aircraft parts? Maybe I am too
>skeptical but it raises a flag to me.
>Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Grove Intersection Fairings Available |
--> RV-List message posted by: <flyingrv@cox.net>
Good Morning,
I now have available upper and lower intersection fairings for the -8 with
Grove airfoil fairings. They look almost identical to my standard fairings.
Prices are" one set of upper intersection fairings $115 and one set of lower
intersection fairings is $125.
Happy Holidays
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
623-203-9795
www.fairings-etc.com
bob@fairings-etc.com
Sincerely,
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
PO Box 5488
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623 203 9795
Sincerely,
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
PO Box 5488
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623 203 9795
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
grips with welded on tips,
the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
sqeezer?
EMP on the way , shop under construction,
Can't sleep,
Dan
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Split your money between both camps. They both deserve the support of RV
builders.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:05 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
> so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
> Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
> grips with welded on tips,
> the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
> order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
> sqeezer?
> EMP on the way , shop under construction,
> Can't sleep,
> Dan
>
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| Subject: | looking for a nice RV-4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
Beautiful airplane
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Subject: RE: RV-List: looking for a nice RV-4
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
Here is a 2003 RV-4 with ~220 hours. Very clean and excellent panel. No
FI and no C/S. Built light & right as they say. I photographed & created
this site today so it is still not 100% populated. A lot of photos so I
hope you have a High Speed connection. I would normally hold off to sell
this in March when pilots begin to thaw but I have my eye on another RV
and my wife will never understand a 4th plane.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv/
Robin
RV-4 220 hours
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control of
the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier to
grab and use.
Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my tools
from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
John Jessen
~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I like to
looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips with
welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order an
air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I have no complaints whatsoever with my Avery Tools. I especially like the
incredibly fast delivery that I get (almost always next day). The vise grip
tools are very precise. If you are going to get the RV Tool Kit, you can
save a lot of money, rather than buying individual tools a few at a time.
Smitty's RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Split your money between both camps. They both deserve the support of RV
> builders.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:05 AM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>>
>> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
>> so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
>> Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
>> grips with welded on tips,
>> the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
>> order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
>> sqeezer?
>> EMP on the way , shop under construction,
>> Can't sleep,
>> Dan
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
(not processed: message from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
All my dimple dies are either cleveland and avery. They are pretty equal on quality
of dies. Just make sure you stay away from ATS.
ATS tools and dies have been horrible and I have been slowly replacing them. The
hand squeezer is big, combersome, and the yokes are
too thick to squeeze flanges (you need to grind it down). As for service, I have
had good service with both of them. I do like the poster
that Cleveland gives you with their catalog that shows all the specifications on
rivets, bolts, drills, etc.
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control
> of
> the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier
> to
> grab and use.
>
> Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my
> tools
> from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
> excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>
> John Jessen
> ~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I
> like to
> looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips
> with
> welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order
> an
> air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
> EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Glass Cockpit Options |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Paul
Before you decide take a look at OP Technologies EFIS. I am installing one
in my RV8a now. After flying my RV8a for 3 years I decided it was time for
a change. Take a look on "vansairforce dot net" they just posted a quick
article I wrote. If you're interested in discussing other options please
feel free to call.
Dane 847-727-0026
N838RV RV8a
Fastpilotrv8@aol.com
After months of avionics dreaming it's time to make the hard decisions
regarding the panel of my RV-8A QB. I understand the factors to be
considered in flying an RV IMC, but want to have the capability to do so
if for some reason I end up there - or decide it's a good idea. I'm a
7000+ hour former Navy jet guy so instrument training / experience isn't
a limiting factor. And although $ is a consideration, it isn't the
driver. And I plan to wire it myself.
Two designs are in contention. The first is a dual GRT EFIS / Engine
Monitor display with their internal GPS. Comm/Nav is a Gamin SL30. I
will also have a panel-mounted Gamin 396.
The second consists of dual Dynon 100's, with a Gamin 396, Gamin 106A
and the SL30.
I will have the Gertz heated pitot tube and the Advance Sport AOA,
TruTrak ADI pilot for autopilot / attitude backup, and standard
altimeter, airspeed and VSI backup gages.
So the question for this august group (realizing that some of you may
have very biased opinions): What has been the experience - good and bad
- of the GRT and Dynon products (I realize I have to use the small
screen Dynon experience base)? For those with biased opinions about
"their" product, what do you like? What would you change?
Thanks,
Paul Valovich
Booger
Ridgecrest, CA
661-400-3640
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
I have bought from both and up until earlier this year I would have agreed with
you about their customer service.
Not that long ago I placed an order with Avery for a countersink and gave them
the last four of my credit card number. Thinking all was well I waited for
about a week and a half, no countersink!!
I called Avery to find out what the problem was and after a brief conversation
found out that I had given them the wrong last four of the credit card that
they had on file.
OK, that is not such a big deal as I have a couple of cards.
The big deal to me was that I had to call them after a week and a half to find
out that there was a problem. There is no excuse for that kind of customer service.
I cancelled the order and will not buy from them again.
Gary
HRII Slow build
John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control of
the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier to
grab and use.
Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my tools
from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
John Jessen
~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan
Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I like to
looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips with
welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order an
air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Hmmm. You ave them the wrong number and now it's THEIR fault??? For
not calling you??? In my mind, searching through their database to find
a Gary Cole and get a phone number to call ..... only to find out it was
the wrong one (possible) ..... would not be a productive time investment
for a limited sales staff. Your problem wasn't customer service, it was
on the other end of the line. I don't care who you order from, but did
want to offer another point of view.
Linn
do not archive
Gary Cole wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I have bought from both and up until earlier this year I would have agreed with
you about their customer service.
>
> Not that long ago I placed an order with Avery for a countersink and gave them
the last four of my credit card number. Thinking all was well I waited for
about a week and a half, no countersink!!
>
> I called Avery to find out what the problem was and after a brief conversation
found out that I had given them the wrong last four of the credit card that
they had on file.
>
> OK, that is not such a big deal as I have a couple of cards.
>
> The big deal to me was that I had to call them after a week and a half to find
out that there was a problem. There is no excuse for that kind of customer
service.
>
> I cancelled the order and will not buy from them again.
>
> Gary
>
> HRII Slow build
>
>John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
>
>Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control of
>the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier to
>grab and use.
>
>Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my tools
>from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
>excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>
>John Jessen
>~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan
>
>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I like to
>looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips with
>welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order an
>air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
>EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (not processed: message |
from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I agree with Matt. I wasted my money on some of the ATS tools. I have had to
replace just about all of them. I bought the ATS rivet squeezer and can only
use it on small rivets. The Avery hand squeezer is GREAT! Also a pneumatic
squeezer will save you a lot of grief on the larger rivets.
Smitty's RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ? (not processed: message
from valid local sender)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> All my dimple dies are either cleveland and avery. They are pretty equal
> on quality of dies. Just make sure you stay away from ATS.
> ATS tools and dies have been horrible and I have been slowly replacing
> them. The hand squeezer is big, combersome, and the yokes are
> too thick to squeeze flanges (you need to grind it down). As for service,
> I have had good service with both of them. I do like the poster
> that Cleveland gives you with their catalog that shows all the
> specifications on rivets, bolts, drills, etc.
>
> - Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:40:35 -0500
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control
>> of
>> the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier
>> to
>> grab and use.
>>
>> Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my
>> tools
>> from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
>> excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>>
>> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I
>> like to
>> looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips
>> with
>> welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order
>> an
>> air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
>> EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Dan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
>so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
>Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
>grips with welded on tips,
>the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
>order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
>sqeezer?
>EMP on the way , shop under construction,
>Can't sleep,
>Dan
>
Both obviously sell good products, so no strong preference.
Don't discount the vicegrip stuff, though. Especially the fluting tool,
which allows repeatable flute depth.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
Linn,
I was under the impression that this is an open forum seeking input from all
corners.
It seems that my input didn't agree with your concepts in some way. And I don't
appreciate your attempt to undermine my posting.
The facts are what they are. Like them or not.
Gary
linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters
Hmmm. You ave them the wrong number and now it's THEIR fault??? For
not calling you??? In my mind, searching through their database to find
a Gary Cole and get a phone number to call ..... only to find out it was
the wrong one (possible) ..... would not be a productive time investment
for a limited sales staff. Your problem wasn't customer service, it was
on the other end of the line. I don't care who you order from, but did
want to offer another point of view.
Linn
do not archive
Gary Cole wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole
>
>I have bought from both and up until earlier this year I would have agreed with
you about their customer service.
>
> Not that long ago I placed an order with Avery for a countersink and gave them
the last four of my credit card number. Thinking all was well I waited for about
a week and a half, no countersink!!
>
> I called Avery to find out what the problem was and after a brief conversation
found out that I had given them the wrong last four of the credit card that
they had on file.
>
> OK, that is not such a big deal as I have a couple of cards.
>
> The big deal to me was that I had to call them after a week and a half to find
out that there was a problem. There is no excuse for that kind of customer service.
>
> I cancelled the order and will not buy from them again.
>
> Gary
>
> HRII Slow build
>
>John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
>
>Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control of
>the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier to
>grab and use.
>
>Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my tools
>from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
>excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>
>John Jessen
>~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan
>
>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I like to
>looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips with
>welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order an
>air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
>EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Gary Cole wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Linn,
>
> I was under the impression that this is an open forum seeking input from all
corners.
>
It surely is.
> It seems that my input didn't agree with your concepts in some way.
>
I admit to taking issue with your position.
> And I don't appreciate your attempt to undermine my posting.
>
It wasn't an attempt to undermine your posting. I offered a different
perspective ..... in the open forum ...... I also have done exactly
what you did .... with the same results, by the way ..... and took
responsibility for my mistake instead of dis[paraging the company. I
guess we have different expectations when buying/selling in the open
market ..... and I'll just leave it at that.
Linn ..... didn't mean to offend
>
> The facts are what they are. Like them or not.
>
> Gary
>
>linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters
>
>Hmmm. You ave them the wrong number and now it's THEIR fault??? For
>not calling you??? In my mind, searching through their database to find
>a Gary Cole and get a phone number to call ..... only to find out it was
>the wrong one (possible) ..... would not be a productive time investment
>for a limited sales staff. Your problem wasn't customer service, it was
>on the other end of the line. I don't care who you order from, but did
>want to offer another point of view.
>Linn
>do not archive
>
>Gary Cole wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole
>>
>>I have bought from both and up until earlier this year I would have agreed with
you about their customer service.
>>
>>Not that long ago I placed an order with Avery for a countersink and gave them
the last four of my credit card number. Thinking all was well I waited for about
a week and a half, no countersink!!
>>
>>I called Avery to find out what the problem was and after a brief conversation
found out that I had given them the wrong last four of the credit card that
they had on file.
>>
>>OK, that is not such a big deal as I have a couple of cards.
>>
>>The big deal to me was that I had to call them after a week and a half to find
out that there was a problem. There is no excuse for that kind of customer service.
>>
>>I cancelled the order and will not buy from them again.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>HRII Slow build
>>
>>John Jessen wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
>>
>>Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the control of
>>the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and easier to
>>grab and use.
>>
>>Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all my tools
>>
>>
>>from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies give
>
>
>>excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>>
>>John Jessen
>>~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan
>>
>>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery? I like to
>>looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice grips with
>>welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I order an
>>air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
>>EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Les Featherston ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Les Featherston <Morocketman@aol.com>
Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
Subject: Harmon Rocket
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Morocketman@aol.com.12.10.2005/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
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| Subject: | [ Scott Lewis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
Lists: RV-List,RV3-List,RV4-List,RV6-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV9-List,RV10-List,Rocket-List
Subject: PiRep - Deluxe Fuel Caps
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| Subject: | New Item for RV's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joseph Czachorowski" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Guys,
Dave just came up with another item for RV's that some may be interested
in. In addition to the "Silver Bullet" tail wheel linkage and control arm,
the latest item is a CNC Polished Aluminum Canopy Handle. Dave will also engrave
the "curved surface" of the handle. Pretty slick.
Speaking of engraving, he told me that he would also engrave fuel caps, data
plates or just about anything else that will fit on the CNC table. Anything you
want. Give him a call to be sure. He also has a few other items in the works.
I love when engineers think "outside the box."
http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
You can get the job done without a hand squeezer. I have both and like the
hand type squeezer for some work. A friend has only the pneumatic type and
has managed to make it to the fuselage stage. So far so good. If you go
with Avery, the same heads are used (interchangeable) on each type. I like
having two types just for having the heads more readily available without
the need to switch heads.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 77 hours
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
----- Original Message -----
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
> so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
> Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
> grips with welded on tips,
> the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
> order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
> sqeezer?
> EMP on the way , shop under construction,
> Can't sleep,
> Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Certainly it was the customer that made the error by providing the
wrong CC number. But the customer has no way to know that an error
was made, and that the order has been cancelled as a result. The
vendor has this info, and good customer service would be to make an
honest attempt to contact the customer to explain the problem.
Kevin Horton
On 10 Dec 2005, at 13:11, linn walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Hmmm. You ave them the wrong number and now it's THEIR fault??? For
> not calling you??? In my mind, searching through their database to
> find
> a Gary Cole and get a phone number to call ..... only to find out
> it was
> the wrong one (possible) ..... would not be a productive time
> investment
> for a limited sales staff. Your problem wasn't customer service,
> it was
> on the other end of the line. I don't care who you order from, but
> did
> want to offer another point of view.
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> Gary Cole wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Cole <cole_gary@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> I have bought from both and up until earlier this year I would
>> have agreed with you about their customer service.
>>
>> Not that long ago I placed an order with Avery for a countersink
>> and gave them the last four of my credit card number. Thinking
>> all was well I waited for about a week and a half, no countersink!!
>>
>> I called Avery to find out what the problem was and after a brief
>> conversation found out that I had given them the wrong last four
>> of the credit card that they had on file.
>>
>> OK, that is not such a big deal as I have a couple of cards.
>>
>> The big deal to me was that I had to call them after a week and a
>> half to find out that there was a problem. There is no excuse for
>> that kind of customer service.
>>
>> I cancelled the order and will not buy from them again.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> HRII Slow build
>>
>> John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
>>
>> Get both the hand and air squeezer. Sometimes you'll need the
>> control of
>> the hand squeezer, and sometimes it's just more convenient and
>> easier to
>> grab and use.
>>
>> Some say that Cleveland has better dimple dies. I have almost all
>> my tools
>> from Avery and they seem to work fine. Either way, both companies
>> give
>> excellent customer service. Can't go wrong either way.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~40328 (RV-10 EmpCone)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan
>>
>> Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, so Cleavland or Avery?
>> I like to
>> looks of the Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
>> grips with
>> welded on tips, the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
>> order an
>> air squeezer will I still need a hand sqeezer?
>> EMP on the way , shop under construction, Can't sleep, Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 13:26:26 2005-12-10 Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
> Certainly it was the customer that made the error by providing the
> wrong CC number. But the customer has no way to know that an error
> was made, and that the order has been cancelled as a result. The
> vendor has this info, and good customer service would be to make an
> honest attempt to contact the customer to explain the problem.
As someone who is privvy to the amount of credit card fraud that is
attempted against the company I work for, I have to object. If our company
were to call back every time a credit card order didn't go through, we'd
need to triple the size of our customer service department. I would expect
Avery to be no different.
I would prefer to see Avery keep it's prices down by letting the customer
self-police their purchases. We're ordering tools to build an airplane,
we're not ordering medical supplies. What's the rush?
-Rob
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Cockpit Options |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Kelly" <eyedocs1@swbell.net>
Paul,
Thanks for the write-up. A couple of questions, do you know if the OP units
will give vertical guidance to ANY type of approach, such as a GPS approach
based on min altitudes for the approach? I thought that is a great feature
of the Cheltons & GRT. The other question is do you know if the EFIS will
give lateral guidance when doing a full procedure through the Procedure Turn
or Hold?
Thanks,
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Glass Cockpit Options
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dane Sheahen" <dane@mutualace.com>
>
>
> Paul
>
> Before you decide take a look at OP Technologies EFIS. I am installing one
> in my RV8a now. After flying my RV8a for 3 years I decided it was time
> for
> a change. Take a look on "vansairforce dot net" they just posted a quick
> article I wrote. If you're interested in discussing other options please
> feel free to call.
>
> Dane 847-727-0026
> N838RV RV8a
> Fastpilotrv8@aol.com
>
>
> After months of avionics dreaming it's time to make the hard decisions
> regarding the panel of my RV-8A QB. I understand the factors to be
> considered in flying an RV IMC, but want to have the capability to do so
> if for some reason I end up there - or decide it's a good idea. I'm a
> 7000+ hour former Navy jet guy so instrument training / experience isn't
> a limiting factor. And although $ is a consideration, it isn't the
> driver. And I plan to wire it myself.
>
>
> Two designs are in contention. The first is a dual GRT EFIS / Engine
> Monitor display with their internal GPS. Comm/Nav is a Gamin SL30. I
> will also have a panel-mounted Gamin 396.
>
>
> The second consists of dual Dynon 100's, with a Gamin 396, Gamin 106A
> and the SL30.
>
>
> I will have the Gertz heated pitot tube and the Advance Sport AOA,
> TruTrak ADI pilot for autopilot / attitude backup, and standard
> altimeter, airspeed and VSI backup gages.
>
>
> So the question for this august group (realizing that some of you may
> have very biased opinions): What has been the experience - good and bad
> - of the GRT and Dynon products (I realize I have to use the small
> screen Dynon experience base)? For those with biased opinions about
> "their" product, what do you like? What would you change?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> Booger
>
> Ridgecrest, CA
>
> 661-400-3640
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Sundberg" <david_fs@hotmail.com>
I checked the archive and saw where another poster had the same problem but
there were no replies. I have an XP-360 with a Slick impulse mag on the left
and LightSpeed Plasma II+ on the right, both connected to a key switch. The
P-lead from the LS is connected to the R terminal on the switch and the
shield is connected to the GRN terminal directly beside the R terminal with
no jumper between them. P-lead from the mag connects to the L terminal and
the center GRN terminal goes direct to the airframe ground block. Engine
runs fine on the mag but dies when I switch to the LS.
Anyone have any suggestions I can try before I call LS Monday? I was hoping
for my 1st flight tomorrow or Monday. Thanks for the
help...................
Dave
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| Subject: | Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
It's not a p-lead. The Lightspeed wants switched +12 volts. I think
Klaus has a setup to run the ignition from a key switch, but he usually
recommends running it from a toggle switch.
Klaus is a little gruff sometimes, but I've found him to be helpful.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sundberg
Subject: RV-List: Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Sundberg" <david_fs@hotmail.com>
I checked the archive and saw where another poster had the same problem
but
there were no replies. I have an XP-360 with a Slick impulse mag on the
left
and LightSpeed Plasma II+ on the right, both connected to a key switch.
The
P-lead from the LS is connected to the R terminal on the switch and the
shield is connected to the GRN terminal directly beside the R terminal
with
no jumper between them. P-lead from the mag connects to the L terminal
and
the center GRN terminal goes direct to the airframe ground block. Engine
runs fine on the mag but dies when I switch to the LS.
Anyone have any suggestions I can try before I call LS Monday? I was
hoping
for my 1st flight tomorrow or Monday. Thanks for the
help...................
Dave
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| Subject: | Looking for used RV (-6, 7, 9) |
--> RV-List message posted by: DvdBock@aol.com
Have a pilot friend who is wanting to buy a good side-by-side RV in So Cal
or Southwestern US. Wants low time or in final build. Email me rtn
off-list please. Do not archive.
Dave Bockelman
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
I've heard both companies are quite good. I've never bought anything from
Cleavland; but, I've bought quite a bit from Avery with the good results
that others have mentioned. I've even gotten discounts for being on the
RV-list! However, I did have their clone rivet gun fail because the trigger
broke. I couldn't see why this should fail so quickly. After all, I'd only
had it since 1991, built my -6A and helped build a -9A with it, and was
using it on my new -7A when it failed. I sent a note to Avery to see where
I could get it fixed. They said they'd give it a try. I jokingly asked if
the warranty was still good, after explaining how little I'd used it. :-)
Of course, that got a laugh. When the gun was returned, the note from Bob
in the package said that the warranty ran out one day after he fixed it.
Yep, he fixed that 15 year old gun for free. Now, that is the kind of
service I look for in a company. Shoot, I've seen plans errors, parts
errors, etc. from Van's. I'm still building their airplanes. :-) Now,
Aircraft Spruce is my burr under the saddle. I won't do business with those
folks; and, many swear by them. Each of us has his favorites. That works
for me. That makes for more to shop from.
Jim Sears in KY
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in
Vans catalog, but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar
definitely need to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I
live in Nevada - corrosion is not a problem - but who knows where the
plane will end up.)
All comments welcomed.
Dan Beadle
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Dan,
Both companies sell excellent tools. However, buy your hand squeezer from
Avery, as their unit's yokes also fit the various pneumatic squeezers as
well. Buy the yokes from Avery or P.A.R.T.S. (see
http://www.rivettools.com/ Stay away from their dimple dies, however.)
Cleaveland sells the Tatco brand hand squeezers. While these are a first
rate product, the yokes are not interchangeable with the Chicago Pneumatic
(and clone) powered squeezers. The Tatco products are also more expensive.
The vice grip edger & fluting pliers that Cleaveland sells are far
superior to the less expensive Avery unit. I prefer the Cleveland dimple
dies, but the Avery units are very good products. Just a personal
preference of mine. Make sure you purchase the "small" female dimple dies
for both the 3/32" & 1/8" sizes. You will need to purchase the "pop rivet"
or "close quarters" dimple dies as well. Spend the extra money for cobalt
drill bits. They are more expensive, but stay sharp 5 times longer.
Stay away from ATS stuff, as has been suggested by other listers.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB,
>so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the
>Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice
>grips with welded on tips,
>the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I
>order an air squeezer will I still need a hand
>sqeezer?
>EMP on the way , shop under construction,
>Can't sleep,
>Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
I have also purchased stuff from both. Must say, both have very nice and
very helpful people. I did have one odd event with Cleaveland. Something I
ordered never arrived. They sent me a replacement with an appoligy. Wasn't their
fault as the missing parts were eventually returned to them. I also ordered
a single flute countersink from them. It broke after a most amount of use.
They sent me a free replacement. To me, that was above and beyond so I end up
doing most of my shopping there. Still, absolutely not complaints about Avery
either. ATS, another story. Do not recommend their tools. Aircraft Spruce
is a little impersonal, but they have a lot of stuff that the other two don't
carry--parts especially.
I splurged and bought a pneumatic squeezer. I absolutely believe that I
couldn't do an adequate job without it. A foot control is also a big winner.
It
is great with the squeezer (frees both hands to hold the squeezee...) and is
also very cool with a grinder for deburring lightening holes and small pieces.
Anyway, my thoughts on the subject.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Wings
San Ramon, California
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Hi Dan
There are thousands of posts on the subject in the achives. Wicks carries
marhyde. I personally use Sanchem to conversion coat followed by AZKO two part
epoxy. I am doing all the understructure but not the skins.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Wings
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Question for QB Fuse builders... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
When you get the QB fuse the F-721B Aft Canopy Deck is already riveted the whole
length of the longerons with final AN426AD3 rivets
(DWG-25 and DWG-18) and the F-705G angle brackets are not rivted on yet (DWG-20).
How are you supposed to rivet the F-705G to the F-
705 Bulkhead assembly with the F-721B in place? I removed the F-757 which was pop
riveted in place so I could get better access, but the
F-721B flange is still in the way.
Hopefully someone will know what I am talking about as this has me stumped...
- Matt
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| Subject: | Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I was just looking at the instructions for the LSE II & III earlier today and
I believe this is correct for the II. You can also double check this in the manual
that is available on line.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Subject: RE: RV-List: Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
It's not a p-lead. The Lightspeed wants switched +12 volts. I think Klaus has a
setup to run the ignition from a key switch, but he usually recommends running
it from a toggle switch.
Klaus is a little gruff sometimes, but I've found him to be helpful.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sundberg
Subject: RV-List: Light Speed Ignition Switch Connection
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Sundberg" <david_fs@hotmail.com>
I checked the archive and saw where another poster had the same problem but there
were no replies. I have an XP-360 with a Slick impulse mag on the left and
LightSpeed Plasma II+ on the right, both connected to a key switch.
The
P-lead from the LS is connected to the R terminal on the switch and the shield
is connected to the GRN terminal directly beside the R terminal with no jumper
between them. P-lead from the mag connects to the L terminal and the center GRN
terminal goes direct to the airframe ground block. Engine runs fine on the
mag but dies when I switch to the LS.
Anyone have any suggestions I can try before I call LS Monday? I was hoping for
my 1st flight tomorrow or Monday. Thanks for the help...................
Dave
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| Subject: | Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I'm sorry, but to receive an order and cancel it with no notification just isn't
good service and I have bought most of my tools from Avery and have good things
to say. But I have never had a company cancel an order over a credit card
problem without letting me know in some way, and having Bank of Americas lousy
fraud protection on my check card has caused many a dumb "suspicious" flag
on stuff I've ordered.
Funny thing, they have shut down my check card over $5 stuff from Home Depot
but never even flinched when I was in Malaysia and Singapore for five months.
Let alone when I did have fraudulent activity on my card that placed me in Malaysia
and Japan at the exact same time for in store purchases. :-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkhead
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7)
Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 13:26:26 2005-12-10 Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
> Certainly it was the customer that made the error by providing the
> wrong CC number. But the customer has no way to know that an error
> was made, and that the order has been cancelled as a result. The
> vendor has this info, and good customer service would be to make an
> honest attempt to contact the customer to explain the problem.
As someone who is privvy to the amount of credit card fraud that is attempted against
the company I work for, I have to object. If our company were to call
back every time a credit card order didn't go through, we'd need to triple the
size of our customer service department. I would expect Avery to be no different.
I would prefer to see Avery keep it's prices down by letting the customer self-police
their purchases. We're ordering tools to build an airplane, we're not
ordering medical supplies. What's the rush?
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
You can find Marhyde from any auto paint supply shop. Check the archives for
more information as the primer thing has beaten like a red-headed step child on
all the lists. ;-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Mid Fuse Bulkheads
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle
Subject: RV-List: Primers
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
--> <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in Vans catalog,
but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar definitely need
to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I live in Nevada - corrosion
is not a problem - but who knows where the plane will end up.)
All comments welcomed.
Dan Beadle
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in
> Vans catalog, but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar
> definitely need to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I
> live in Nevada - corrosion is not a problem - but who knows where the
> plane will end up.)
Take a look here Dan:
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/F1RocketProject.html#The%20Great%20Primer%20Debate
I started out priming almost everything (I do live "almost" on the coast)
but I think Randy's thoughts on this are right on. If you look at the
quality of his building it's easy to tell he knows what he is talking about!
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
I have purchased tools from both, and both great to deal with.
Since the good folks from Cleveland are kind enough to load all their stuff
up and drag it all the way to Washington State for the Arlington Fly-in (and
one of the few who do) I'm inclined to give them my business...
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Marhyde is a great product! I've used it on RV parts since the early 1990's. O'Reilly's
Auto Parts can get it for you. The local store here stocks it. The Sherwin
Williams self etching primer also sold in a Napa label is a great product
also. Don't waste your time priming the skins.
Darrell
Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in
Vans catalog, but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar
definitely need to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I
live in Nevada - corrosion is not a problem - but who knows where the
plane will end up.)
All comments welcomed.
Dan Beadle
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Try to get your primer local. With the classification changes of "hazardous chemicals"
the freight charges can go through the roof!
Darrell
Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in
Vans catalog, but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar
definitely need to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I
live in Nevada - corrosion is not a problem - but who knows where the
plane will end up.)
All comments welcomed.
Dan Beadle
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
I bought tools from both Cleaveland tools and from Avery Tools.
After a few years the hand squeezer that I bought from Avery began to be
stiff when trying to adjust the gap. for a while (six months or so) I put up
with using a 5/16" wrench to make changes. Finally I called to order a new
parts set and gave them my card number. In very short order a package
arrived here in Canada, to the door, postage etc. paid.
I opened the padded shipping envelope to find the parts I had ordered with
note explaining that there had been a run of non hardened parts during
manufacturing a few years previous so no charge was applied.
I went back to work pleased and amazed at such good service.
A few weeks later I received another package with yet another set of parts.
Again they included a note to say that they had shipped the first parts
(unhardened pieces) to carry me through until the new supply of correctly
hardened pieces arrived and could be shipped. The note went on to apologize
for any inconvenience and included a request to report any further
difficulties. Once again no charge was applied.
Both companies have treated me to Great service, Great tools, Prompt, Polite
and Efficient!
Nuff said by me,
Jim in Kelowna - the plane is in the hanger!
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From: <sears@searnet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleavland tools ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>
> I've heard both companies are quite good. I've never bought anything from
> Cleavland; but, I've bought quite a bit from Avery with the good results
> that others have mentioned. I've even gotten discounts for being on the
> RV-list! However, I did have their clone rivet gun fail because the
> trigger
> broke. I couldn't see why this should fail so quickly. After all, I'd
> only
> had it since 1991, built my -6A and helped build a -9A with it, and was
> using it on my new -7A when it failed. I sent a note to Avery to see
> where
> I could get it fixed. They said they'd give it a try. I jokingly asked
> if
> the warranty was still good, after explaining how little I'd used it. :-)
> Of course, that got a laugh. When the gun was returned, the note from Bob
> in the package said that the warranty ran out one day after he fixed it.
> Yep, he fixed that 15 year old gun for free. Now, that is the kind of
> service I look for in a company. Shoot, I've seen plans errors, parts
> errors, etc. from Van's. I'm still building their airplanes. :-) Now,
> Aircraft Spruce is my burr under the saddle. I won't do business with
> those
> folks; and, many swear by them. Each of us has his favorites. That works
> for me. That makes for more to shop from.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
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>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> What is the recommended primer? I like the description of Marhyde in
> Vans catalog, but haven't found a source. Some parts, like the HS Spar
> definitely need to be primed, but should the skins be primed too? (I
> live in Nevada - corrosion is not a problem - but who knows where the
> plane will end up.)
> All comments welcomed.
Dan, after two RV airframes here are my thoughts...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Airframe/airframe.htm#Primer
Best,
Randy Lervold
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| Subject: | Cylinder Kits? Which to buy...? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Looking for input from users of ECI or Superior Cylinders Kits in the past year
or so? I'm about ready to purchase. Any comments?
Thanks in advance.
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: Avery or Cleavland tools ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Linn,
I have a smal business where I often have customers that are not
local. When they give me a credit card over the phone that does not
work, I call them right away and tell them it did not work. If I waited
for them to call me for a lack of delivery, I lost that customer.
Jim Nelson
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 12/10/2005 7:25:51 PM Central Standard Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
All comments welcomed.
>>>
FWIW:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=4863
Mark do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Thanks for all the post on the tools Very helpfull !!
Mike Crowe thanks for the post it was the best,
I will use both company
Sound likes both company are #1 customer service
expecially Avery,
These are the kind of people I want to work with,
I also wanted to support Clevland cause they are at
AWO EAA Flyin
-8 tail kit on the way !
Dan
Snohoimish Wa
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