---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/12/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Re: E Mag (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com) 2. 04:21 AM - Re: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS (LarryRobertHelming) 3. 05:58 AM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode Revisit (Chuck Jensen) 4. 09:10 AM - Extra instrument panel available? (Mark Doble) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (Cleaveland Aircraft Tool) 6. 10:32 AM - Re: Question for QB Fuse builders... (Matt Johnson) 7. 11:18 AM - Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (Jerry Grimmonpre) 8. 11:53 AM - Cordless bandsaw (Dale Ensing) 9. 12:52 PM - Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (Gerns25@netscape.net) 10. 01:00 PM - Re: Cordless bandsaw (Darrell Reiley) 11. 01:09 PM - Re: Cordless band saw (Albert Gardner) 12. 03:11 PM - Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (b.e.isham) 13. 04:31 PM - Painting Over Cured Epoxy (Brad Oliver) 14. 04:54 PM - Re: Dynon Failure Mode Revisit (James Clark) 15. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? (Jerry Springer) 16. 06:06 PM - Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy (Kyle Boatright) 17. 06:16 PM - Popular Mechanics Article - 1 Week Sport Pilot School (Jim Pellien) 18. 06:29 PM - Re: Cleaning out the hanger sale (Charlie Kuss) 19. 09:01 PM - RV8 tail kit (David L Ahrens) 20. 11:01 PM - Re: RV8 tail kit (Dan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:15 AM PST US From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: E Mag --> RV-List message posted by: John, you'd have better results addressing your question at the Lycoming and aeroelectric lists (I am copying my post onto lycoming@yahoogroups.com and owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com). I myself am inclined for the PMag but have not firmed up my decision. Concensus seems to be that it is the best compromise: it is electronic ignition, it is simple and it does not depend on external power above 700RPM. Only down side seems to be lack of a track record. This having being said, there are planes out there which fly with eMag/pMags. Michele RV8 - Fuselage -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Furey Subject: RV-List: E Mag --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" I need to order an engine soon and need to decide between a Mag/Lightspeed system or an E Mag/P Mag. Any input would be appreciated. John Furey RV6A F1 in process ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:02 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" If you can get your hands on an RV7 firewall drawing sheet, you would see that Vans places the fuel pump on the FW at a 45 degree angle flowing from lower left to upper right (when viewed from cockpit). I have no idea what the RV-4 plans suggest if anything. 2) mount it under one of the wings a couple feet away from exhaust and close to one of the maintenance access panels under the wing for ease of installation. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 77 hours "Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and at your own risk." ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS > --> RV-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com > > I am in the finishing kit stages of an RV-4 and have a couple of > questions: > > 1) Facet fuel pump instructions say to mount the pump on a 45 degree > angle. > Knowing this pump is an automotive pump, is this also important in an > airplane? Seems like the pump will be at a 45 degree angle most of the > time in a > tail dragger, at least for take-off. I had planned to mount it in a > manner > that would make it level in normal flight. > > 2) Where is the suggested mounting location for the outside air temp > sensor? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Wally Hunt > Rockford, IL > RV-4 Finishing kit > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode Revisit From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" Sam, I concur that Larry might have been a bit early in sharing the experience...much like reading a Nancy Drew mystery, except the final chapters haven't been written yet. Mid way through these type things, the events point to something/someone who may not be at fault or even remotely culpable. These things are sometimes best dissected looking in the rear view mirror after we've seen the final resolution, the final level of customer service and support, etc. In other words, is Dynon going to live up to their reputation or are they going to do a "Hoffman". With that said, Larry, we will certainly be interested in the outcome, especially Dynon's diagnosis of what happened. As a side note, all of the EFISs being produced in such low volume that they are still nearly one-of-a-kind instruments, hence they don't enjoy the reliability and consistencey of mass production. Even then, problems can arise--that's why Sony has a customer service department...even if Microsoft doesn't. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:13 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode Revisit > > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Darrell Reiley wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > > > > > I think this calls for a 100% customer satisfaction replacement unit...! > > > > Darrell > > > And I suspect that is precisely what will happen.......provided Larry > hasn't totally burned all bridges by publishing this issue on a public > forum before giving Dynon a chance to repair/replace his obviously > defective EFIS... > > Sam Buchanan > > ========================= > > > > > Larry Pardue wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue > > > I hope people understand why I am reporting these problems. I wish > > nothing but the best for Dynon, but when I bought mine I may not have > > had a realistic attitude about reliability and failure modes. > > > > Larry Pardue > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:31 AM PST US From: "Mark Doble" Subject: RV-List: Extra instrument panel available? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Doble" Hi, I'm looking for a worn out, or used, mis-cut, or not needed RV 6 or 7 instrument panel with the right hand part of the panel fairly intact (eg. able to have a 6" (horiz) x 7" (vertically) cutout made. I'm making up a demo for an engine monitor my company developed to show at Sun-n-Fun.... I want to have the engine monitor mounted in a panel....but didnt really want to buy a new one :) you can email me directly at mark@stratologic.net. thanks, Mark. --- Mark D Doble mark@stratologic.net StratoLogic LLC creators of Cyclops EMX Engine Monitor Extreme! check out the details at www.StratoLogic.net 1-800-619-5304 Toll Free (919) 386-0262 Office (978) 359-5630 Fax ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:55 AM PST US From: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" Mike from Cleaveland Tool here. Thanks for the comments Charlie and others. It makes my Monday to see all the positive comments about us. We all make mistakes, and we try to go out of our way to resolve them quickly and fairly. I wanted to clairfy on the squeezers. We no longer carry the Tatco brand of squeezer. We have designed our own hand squeezer that works with the standard pneumatic yokes. Our squeezer is all Aluminum and very light weight, it also takes 30% of the force (22# vs 65#) at the end of the handles to squeeze an 1/8" rivet. See it on our website at http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SCH22 . More expensive than other squeezers, but I have not heard of anyone that was unhappy with the purchase. Another clarification I have wanted to address for some time, but I try to keep commercial stuff off of the list... Bob Avery and I have discussed this and do not quite know how to address it, as we don't really want to throw dirt at anyone. Until late last year, or early this year we were listed on Isham's Plane tools website as a tool supplier along with Avery and Brown and others. After several attempts this listing was finally removed. Avery's and Cleaveland have never sold tools to them. Brown, last I knew had quit doing business with them. The logos they use on their website "Snap-On" & "Klein" are a bit deceiving. Snap-On industrial bought a company called ATI (as well as Sioux Tools). ATI is a major supplier to the aerospace industry and is our suppler for bucking bars, rivets sets, and a few other items. I imagine (I do not know this for a fact) that Avery's and Brown get items from them too. So one could say that we all sell "Snap-On". This is not the same Snap-On as far as finish and warranty that you would find on "the truck". As for Klein, they make great electricians tools. For their "aircraft line" they simply buy and brand other tools. The wire twisters are made by Milbar, the Unibit is Irwin, the Hand Seamer is Imperial... You may find good tools and prices there, just watch for mis-representation. Again I appoligize for this on the list. I appreciate everyone's support and comments, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Kuss" Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > Dan, > Both companies sell excellent tools. However, buy your hand squeezer from > Avery, as their unit's yokes also fit the various pneumatic squeezers as > well. Buy the yokes from Avery or P.A.R.T.S. (see > http://www.rivettools.com/ Stay away from their dimple dies, however.) > Cleaveland sells the Tatco brand hand squeezers. While these are a first > rate product, the yokes are not interchangeable with the Chicago Pneumatic > (and clone) powered squeezers. The Tatco products are also more expensive. > The vice grip edger & fluting pliers that Cleaveland sells are far > superior to the less expensive Avery unit. I prefer the Cleveland dimple > dies, but the Avery units are very good products. Just a personal > preference of mine. Make sure you purchase the "small" female dimple dies > for both the 3/32" & 1/8" sizes. You will need to purchase the "pop rivet" > or "close quarters" dimple dies as well. Spend the extra money for cobalt > drill bits. They are more expensive, but stay sharp 5 times longer. > Stay away from ATS stuff, as has been suggested by other listers. > Charlie Kuss > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan >> >>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, >>so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the >>Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice >>grips with welded on tips, >>the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I >>order an air squeezer will I still need a hand >>sqeezer? >>EMP on the way , shop under construction, >>Can't sleep, >>Dan >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:11 AM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for QB Fuse builders... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Tip-up... - Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: "Sportypilot" > To: > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:49:13 -0600 > Subject: Re: RV-List: Question for QB Fuse builders... (not > processed: message from valid local sender) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" > > > > tipup or slider ? > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > > > > > When you get the QB fuse the F-721B Aft Canopy Deck is already > > riveted the > > > whole length of the longerons with final AN426AD3 rivets > > > (DWG-25 and DWG-18) and the F-705G angle brackets are not rivted on > > yet > > > (DWG-20). How are you supposed to rivet the F-705G to the F- > > > 705 Bulkhead assembly with the F-721B in place? I removed the F-757 > > which > > > was pop riveted in place so I could get better access, but the > > > F-721B flange is still in the way. > > > > > > Hopefully someone will know what I am talking about as this has me > > > stumped... > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:56 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi Mike ... I just read the above subject note with interest and I appreciate Cleaveland tools by having bought several of your tools over the past years. I have a possibly useable suggestion for you. Since you have created a very nice all aluminum squeezer for rivets you may be interested in an idea to extend the usefulness of this squeezer. Create a die that can be inserted for squeezing wire terminals. It will take a seperate die for each the red, blue, yellow sizes. I can visualize creating a color coded gapping plug to use as a test gage to set-up the squeezer. Once the squeezer is set up, the red, blue or yellow die could possibly work for the terminal size matching the die. It would have to be re-gaged for each color but the adustable throw on this tool would do that. It wouldn't cost much to experiment with this. The down side might be overloading and breaking the squeezer. Mike, if you like this idea ... run with it ... I'm not asking for anything for the idea. I just like to create stuff that helps. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RV-List: Cordless bandsaw --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" To the tool freaks on the list: Has anybody tried the Stout cordless bandsaw? How does it work on aluminum? Inquiring mind wants to know if I need to put it on my Christmas list. Here is web site for tool. http://www.stouttool.com/ Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:15 PM PST US From: Gerns25@netscape.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? --> RV-List message posted by: Gerns25@netscape.net As for them having the Cleveland, Brown and Avery logos on their website, I don't have anything to say about that as I only found their site a couple months ago and never saw this. As for any other mis-representation, I don't see any. It looks to me that they sell the same tools the others do from the same supplier (ATI). >The logos they use on their website "Snap-On" & "Klein" are a bit >deceiving. Snap-On industrial bought a company called ATI (as well as >Sioux Tools). ATI is a major supplier to the aerospace industry and is >our suppler for bucking bars, rivets sets, and a few other items. Of course, Avery, Cleveland and Brown do manufacture some of their own tools and these are great tools, especially the Cleveland hand squeezer...I have used it and it is AWESOME! But to say planetools.com is misleading is a bit of a stretch. After all, Daimler-Chrysler makes Dodge, Mercedes, Chrylser and a bunch of other vehicles but nobody would call a Mecedes 500SL a Dodge Neon even though they were made by the same company. I often deal with commercial and residential HVAC systems. Carrier makes a brand called "Payne" which are significantly less expensive than the Carrier brand but are made at the same factory as all the Carrier products but they are still a "Payne" system. I don't have anything against Cleveland, Brown, or Avery and will purchase tools from any of them (and have) but I don't think it is fair to criticize a company for trying to be competitive in the market and selling quality tools at a good price. If they have lied, been dishonest in dealings or provided substandard tools, then by all means it should be known by the community. In my dealings with Isham's, they have never been anything but honest and frankly gone beyond the expected to satisfy a customer. I would recommend them to anyone. Do your research and figure out which company works best for you and buy your tools there. There is a good chance you will end up buying something from most all of them as they are all great companies and have individual tools that are nice to have. Darin RV7 (N619PB) DO NOT ARCHIVE >--> RV-List message posted by: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" > >Mike from Cleaveland Tool here. Thanks for the comments Charlie and others. >It makes my Monday to see all the positive comments about us. We all make >mistakes, and we try to go out of our way to resolve them quickly and >fairly. > >I wanted to clairfy on the squeezers. We no longer carry the Tatco brand of >squeezer. We have designed our own hand squeezer that works with the >standard pneumatic yokes. Our squeezer is all Aluminum and very light >weight, it also takes 30% of the force (22# vs 65#) at the end of the >handles to squeeze an 1/8" rivet. See it on our website at >http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=SCH22 . More >expensive than other squeezers, but I have not heard of anyone that was >unhappy with the purchase. > >Another clarification I have wanted to address for some time, but I try to >keep commercial stuff off of the list... Bob Avery and I have discussed >this and do not quite know how to address it, as we don't really want to >throw dirt at anyone. Until late last year, or early this year we were >listed on Isham's Plane tools website as a tool supplier along with Avery >and Brown and others. After several attempts this listing was finally >removed. Avery's and Cleaveland have never sold tools to them. Brown, last >I knew had quit doing business with them. The logos they use on their >website "Snap-On" & "Klein" are a bit deceiving. Snap-On industrial bought >a company called ATI (as well as Sioux Tools). ATI is a major supplier to >the aerospace industry and is our suppler for bucking bars, rivets sets, and >a few other items. I imagine (I do not know this for a fact) that Avery's >and Brown get items from them too. So one could say that we all sell >"Snap-On". This is not the same Snap-On as far as finish and warranty that >you would find on "the truck". As for Klein, they make great electricians >tools. For their "aircraft line" they simply buy and brand other tools. >The wire twisters are made by Milbar, the Unibit is Irwin, the Hand Seamer >is Imperial... You may find good tools and prices there, just watch for >mis-representation. > >Again I appoligize for this on the list. >I appreciate everyone's support and comments, > >Mike > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charlie Kuss" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss >> >> Dan, >> Both companies sell excellent tools. However, buy your hand squeezer from >> Avery, as their unit's yokes also fit the various pneumatic squeezers as >> well. Buy the yokes from Avery or P.A.R.T.S. (see >> http://www.rivettools.com/ Stay away from their dimple dies, however.) >> Cleaveland sells the Tatco brand hand squeezers. While these are a first >> rate product, the yokes are not interchangeable with the Chicago Pneumatic >> (and clone) powered squeezers. The Tatco products are also more expensive. >> The vice grip edger & fluting pliers that Cleaveland sells are far >> superior to the less expensive Avery unit. I prefer the Cleveland dimple >> dies, but the Avery units are very good products. Just a personal >> preference of mine. Make sure you purchase the "small" female dimple dies >> for both the 3/32" & 1/8" sizes. You will need to purchase the "pop rivet" >> or "close quarters" dimple dies as well. Spend the extra money for cobalt >> drill bits. They are more expensive, but stay sharp 5 times longer. >> Stay away from ATS stuff, as has been suggested by other listers. >> Charlie Kuss >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan >>> >>>Getting ready to order my tools for my QB, >>>so Cleavland or Avery? I like to looks of the >>>Cleavland tools the seamers ect are not just vice >>>grips with welded on tips, >>>the rivit squeezers look more high tech, And If I >>>order an air squeezer will I still need a hand >>>sqeezer? >>>EMP on the way , shop under construction, >>>Can't sleep, >>>Dan >>> >>> >> >> >> > > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:45 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Cordless bandsaw --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Looks a little bulky and awkward to me. I know for a fact that I wouldn't be holding it in the position he has it in the picture... can't afford an oops there. ;-) Darrell do not archive Dale Ensing wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" To the tool freaks on the list: Has anybody tried the Stout cordless bandsaw? How does it work on aluminum? Inquiring mind wants to know if I need to put it on my Christmas list. Here is web site for tool. http://www.stouttool.com/ Dale Ensing Darrell RV7A - 622DR Reserved --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:28 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cordless band saw --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" I've used a Milwaukee electric band saw (corded) for years and it's great for cutting the ss tubes in the kit but not suitable to replace an upright band saw for most other work. Limited throat depth if nothing else but the lack of a table to hold material is a negative. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:06 PM PST US From: "b.e.isham" Subject: RV-List: Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? --> RV-List message posted by: "b.e.isham" Glenna from Planetools.com. I think that competition is good for consumers and for companies. I think that Mike's statements from Cleaveland Tool are -- well, let's just say competition is tough when you're on the receiving end of it. Someday a post like this will be titled "Re: Planetools.com, Avery or Cleaveland tools?" I believe that the customers of our tools and RV tool kits are the best people to rate us. I believe in our company mission statement to "Provide high-quality tools at a lower price than our competitors and always put the customer first." will cause us to be successful and will be a benefit to RV builders around the world. Glenna -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:15 PM PST US From: Brad Oliver Subject: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver Couldn't find an answer in the archives, so here goes... I have been using PPG DP48LF epoxy primer and have been quite happy with it. That being said, I started thinking about the very long term proposition of painting the airplane, and how I will deal with the parts that were epoxy primed months or years prior. To get the paint to properly adhere to those parts that have been epoxy primed, I have been told that I (or the paint shop) will need to sand (not just scuff) the primed parts, spray another coat of DP48LF followed quickly (within a day) by the paint. Knowing this, I am starting to wonder if a primer switch, for the few exterior facing parts part left, is in order. Looking at the flap brace, I can see where it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to get in between the brace and spar to sand/prime/paint. Maybe you could reach through the lightening holes in the brace, but I am not sure. Is this even an issue? Should I consider a switch for the exterior parts which will eventually get painted (e.g. flap brace, flap/aileron spars)? Just looking for tips or advice from those that have been there before. Maybe this will be easy to deal with when the time comes to paint, but I guess I would rather ask questions now. Thanks, Brad Oliver RV-7 | Wings www.RV7Factory.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:40 PM PST US From: James Clark Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon Failure Mode Revisit --> RV-List message posted by: James Clark If the problem is software, replacing a unit only adds aggravation to the customer. I suspect they will want to know about the problem, study it (is it a one of a kind or do all units of a certain "persuasion" exhibit this problem?), develop a fix (for his singular problem OR for the "masses" that MIGHT have the problem. So I would suspect that Dynon will "do the right thing", given the chance to understand that a problem exists somewhere. Seems that that is how they have worked so far. James On 12/11/05, Darrell Reiley wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > > I think this calls for a 100% customer satisfaction replacement unit...! > > Darrell > > Larry Pardue wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue > > Greetings: > > A few weeks ago I reported on a failure I had on my Dynon D-10A. The > altitude sensor had failed, according to Dynon, and it was showing > incorrect altitude, airspeed, ROC as well as an incorrect and > drifting attitude indication. Dynon was responsive and fast in > repairing the unit and returning it to me. > > Today was my third flight since reinstalling the unit and the mission > was to calibrate the heading indicator, as that calibration had been > lost during the repair service. When I started up I noticed that the > rate of turn indicator was showing maximum deflection to the right > and cycling the power on and off did not change it. My thought was > that this was annoying as that indicator is of great use during the > ground calibration portion. As soon as I was in flight I noticed > that the attitude indicator was not functioning correctly. It was > drifting into different positions with no relationship to actual > attitude. > > This appears to be a different failure than before as altitude and > airspeed are fine this time. > > I hope people understand why I am reporting these problems. I wish > nothing but the best for Dynon, but when I bought mine I may not have > had a realistic attitude about reliability and failure modes. > > Larry Pardue > Carlsbad, NM > > RV-6 N441LP Flying > http://n5lp.net > > > --------------------------------- > > -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:10 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Avery or Cleaveland tools ? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer b.e.isham wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "b.e.isham" > >Glenna from Planetools.com. I think that competition is good for consumers >and for companies. I think that Mike's statements from Cleaveland Tool are >-- well, let's just say competition is tough when you're on the receiving >end of it. Someday a post like this will be titled "Re: Planetools.com, >Avery or Cleaveland tools?" I believe that the customers of our tools and >RV tool kits are the best people to rate us. I believe in our company >mission statement to "Provide high-quality tools at a lower price than our >competitors and always put the customer first." will cause us to be >successful and will be a benefit to RV builders around the world. Glenna > > > And I believe that all of these types of discussions should have do not archive attached to them. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:03 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Good advise would be not to prime the exterior until just before painting. If you're worried about corrosion under rivet heads, get a rattle can of zinc chromate and squirt the rivet lines. Alternately just get a can of ZC and dab it into the holes with a Q-tip. Otherwise, priming the exterior of the plane prior to paint is just going to add weight in extra primer, cost of extra primer, and aggrivation from weight, cost, and extra work... KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Oliver" Subject: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy > --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver > > Couldn't find an answer in the archives, so here goes... > > I have been using PPG DP48LF epoxy primer and have been quite happy with > it. That being said, I started thinking about the very long term > proposition of painting the airplane, and how I will deal with the > parts that were epoxy primed months or years prior. To get the paint > to properly adhere to those parts that have been epoxy primed, I have > been told that I (or the paint shop) will need to sand (not just scuff) > the primed parts, spray another coat of DP48LF followed quickly (within > a day) by the paint. > > Knowing this, I am starting to wonder if a primer switch, for the few > exterior facing parts part left, is in order. Looking at the flap > brace, I can see where it will be extremely difficult if not impossible > to get in between the brace and spar to sand/prime/paint. Maybe you > could reach through the lightening holes in the brace, but I am not > sure. > > Is this even an issue? Should I consider a switch for the exterior > parts which will eventually get painted (e.g. flap brace, flap/aileron > spars)? Just looking for tips or advice from those that have been > there before. Maybe this will be easy to deal with when the time comes > to paint, but I guess I would rather ask questions now. > > Thanks, > Brad Oliver > RV-7 | Wings > www.RV7Factory.com > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:27 PM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: RV-List: Popular Mechanics Article - 1 Week Sport Pilot School --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Popular Mechanics has sent an editor to take the 1-Week Sport Pilot School at the Sky Bryce Airport in Basye, VA. Davin Coburn is writing a daily "blog" of his learning experience at the Popular Mechanics main webpage: www.popularmechanics.com Jim Pellien Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com www.MASPL.com 703-313-4818 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:03 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Cleaning out the hanger sale --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Brian Just a quick note to given my shipping address again. Charlie Kuss 3000 S. Ocean Blvd. Apt. # 103 Boca Raton, Florida 33432-8330 (561)338-9373 home (561)212-7785 cell >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" > >I have finally gotten around to gathering up some odds and ends that have >accumulated that I will sell to a good home for the right price. As always, >email me direct at brian@engalt.com, not to the entire list. You can also >call me at 904-536-1780. Here is what I have at the moment: > >Midget Mustang, 109 hours TT, O-200 with about 1,100 hours SMOH, 174 MPH >cruise, new Imron paint job, custom stainless exhaust, VFR day/night - >$22,000 OBO > >Sonerai II, 450 hours TT, 1835 VW with 55 hours SMOH, good flying >condition - $9,000 OBO > >KR-2, 45 hours TT, Revmaster 2100 turbo with 45 hours TT, was flying, but >one wing water damaged, have new spars to build another. Whole plane - >$8,000, engine only with Hegy prop - $3,500, will sell cowl, engine mount, >and rest of firewall forward package for $500 with engine, brand new Grove >gear and mounting brackets $1,100. Will not sell gear separate unless >someone else buys the plane without it. > >Vacuum pump, mounting bracket for VW, filter, regulator, vacuum gauge, >attitude indicator, and heading indicator - $1,000. > >Brand spanking new Garmin GTX 320A transponder in original box with tray and >all connectors - $1,000. > >Nice small IFR radio package including Terra TX720 com radio, Terra TN200 >nav receiver with ILS and glideslope, Arnav 20 loran, Terra Trinav C display >with digital CDI for nav or loran, ILS indicator, and glideslope indicator, >ICS intercom with 3 light marker beacon - $3,000 for complete package with >all trays and wiring harnesses. > >Bendix TR-641 A transponder with brand spanking new ACK encoder already >wired to it - $700. > >RT-359A transponder with brand new ACK encoder already wired to it - $700. > >Sportys SP-200 handheld with headset adaptor cables - $220. > >Garmin GPS-90 aviation handheld GPS with yoke mount, external power cord, >external antenna suction cup mount, original manual, and cigarette lighter >plug $120. > >1965 bomber emergency parachute with C9 canopy freshly certified and >repacked - $400. > > >All located in Jacksonville, FL. > >And no, I am not getting out of flying, just need more room at the moment. >Once two of the planes go the other one comes off the market until I get my >KR-2S done. > >Brian Kraut >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >www.engalt.com > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:03 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV8 tail kit From: David L Ahrens --> RV-List message posted by: David L Ahrens Hello all; This is just a shot in the dark. I have found a partially started rv-8 tail kit in Snohomish, Washington. Does anyone on the list live nearby that could take a look at it for me? I live in Bakersfield, Calif and I am trying to help my son in law find a rv-8 to build. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, David Ahrens, RV-6A, 165hrs. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:19 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 tail kit --> RV-List message posted by: Dan David, I live in Snohomish, I'm getting geared up to build an -8 I e-mailed this guy, a few weeks ago but got no response ,,? SO I ordered a new one, I never did try to call him,I really wanted to start fresh with the factory anyway, he only wanted $700.00 for it and he had some of it complete, SO it is a great deal, I wanted to see if he had any tools which he may want to sell also, I'm just getting ready to order a tool kit. I'd be glad to go see it and talk to him , I can compare it to my new kit which I havn't see yet ordered on the 5th, other then that I've never seen one before "YET", I'm out of town Friday till Monday, then home for the Holiday's Dan Hatch dan@rdan.com 425-754-0112 -8 Tail on the way !! --- David L Ahrens wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: David L Ahrens > > > Hello all; This is just a shot in the dark. I have > found a partially > started rv-8 tail kit in Snohomish, Washington. Does > anyone on the list > live nearby that could take a look at it for me? I > live in Bakersfield, > Calif and I am trying to help my son in law find a > rv-8 to build. Any > help would be appreciated. > Thanks, David Ahrens, RV-6A, 165hrs. > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > >