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1. 09:17 AM - Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy (rv6n6r@comcast.net)
2. 10:21 AM - Re: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS (Steve Sampson)
3. 02:16 PM - Not exactly RV related but... (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
4. 02:38 PM - Re: Not exactly RV related but... (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
5. 03:13 PM - Re: Not exactly RV related but... (Bobby Hester)
6. 04:24 PM - Instrument approach power settings (Ron Lee)
7. 05:25 PM - FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution (Ed Holyoke)
8. 05:32 PM - Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations (Larry E. James)
9. 05:43 PM - Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
10. 05:45 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.3072 1.0000 -0.3180 (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
11. 07:16 PM - Painting (not RV related) (Bill and Tami Britton)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT GLOBAL (Richard E. Tasker)
13. 08:06 PM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Ron Lee)
14. 08:48 PM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (G McNutt)
15. 09:15 PM - Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy (Wentz, Don)
16. 09:35 PM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Jerry Springer)
17. 09:40 PM - Re: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.3072 1.0000 -0.3180 (James Clark)
18. 09:43 PM - Re: Instrument approach power settings (G McNutt)
19. 09:44 PM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Jerry Springer)
20. 09:48 PM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Ron Lee)
21. 10:33 PM - RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (Paul Rice)
22. 11:36 PM - Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy (Bradley Oliver)
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net
Been there, done that.
I wouldn't worry too much about the parts you can't get to/aren't visible -- the
same thing that makes it hard to get to will also make it hard for sun/weather
to have an effect (plus no one can see if the paint flakes off there so who
cares? :-)
But in general you should avoid priming parts that will have a topcoat on them
for the reasons you describe -- most paint systems are designed to go over compatible
primer that's relatively fresh to provide a chemical bond as well as mechanical.
One thing NOT to do is let someone convince you that you have to take the epoxy
off since it may not be compatible with the overcoat. Also been there done that,
and found that nothing short of a blowtorch or many hours with sandpaper will
take a good coat of epoxy off. Aircraft paint remover won't touch it (at least
the stuff I used). I think most paint systems will go okay over epoxy as
long as it's been roughed up, but do try a test patch to make sure.
Before I got wise to all this I primed the whole interior of my plane with Courtaulds
epoxy primer then a year or so later shot polyurethane topcoat without
sanding in between. There are a few chips but no more than to be expected from
the rough treatment the baggage compartment gets.
Also I painted my entire empenage with epoxy. I hired out the exterior paint and
the painter was a bit concerned about it, but we roughed it up with scotch-brite
and shot a thin coat of primer over it, then the topcoat. It went on beautifully
and has held up just fine.
Randall Henderson
RV-6
> Couldn't find an answer in the archives, so here goes...
>
> I have been using PPG DP48LF epoxy primer and have been quite happy with
> it. That being said, I started thinking about the very long term
> proposition of painting the airplane, and how I will deal with the
> parts that were epoxy primed months or years prior. To get the paint
> to properly adhere to those parts that have been epoxy primed, I have
> been told that I (or the paint shop) will need to sand (not just scuff)
> the primed parts, spray another coat of DP48LF followed quickly (within
> a day) by the paint.
>
> Knowing this, I am starting to wonder if a primer switch, for the few
> exterior facing parts part left, is in order. Looking at the flap
> brace, I can see where it will be extremely difficult if not impossible
> to get in between the brace and spar to sand/prime/paint. Maybe you
> could reach through the lightening holes in the brace, but I am not
> sure.
>
> Is this even an issue? Should I consider a switch for the exterior
> parts which will eventually get painted (e.g. flap brace, flap/aileron
> spars)? Just looking for tips or advice from those that have been
> there before. Maybe this will be easy to deal with when the time comes
> to paint, but I guess I would rather ask questions now.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad Oliver
> RV-7 | Wings
> www.RV7Factory.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Wally - I think the 45 deg referees to left and right not fore and aft. (Its
that way on a -9) I also think the reason is to ensure air does not become
trapped within it. Steve
Steve
RV4 Kit No.4478
RV-9A G-IINI (sold)
PA18-150 G-BVMI
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From: <RV4WGH@aol.com>
<rv4-list@matronics.com.INNOCENT.GLOBAL.0.0000.1.0000.-2.0210>
Subject: RV-List: FACET FUEL PUMP AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP QUESTIONS
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
>
> I am in the finishing kit stages of an RV-4 and have a couple of
> questions:
>
> 1) Facet fuel pump instructions say to mount the pump on a 45 degree
> angle.
> Knowing this pump is an automotive pump, is this also important in an
> airplane? Seems like the pump will be at a 45 degree angle most of the
> time in a
> tail dragger, at least for take-off. I had planned to mount it in a
> manner
> that would make it level in normal flight.
>
> 2) Where is the suggested mounting location for the outside air temp
> sensor?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Wally Hunt
> Rockford, IL
> RV-4 Finishing kit
>
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| Subject: | Not exactly RV related but... |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
What's that website that shows near real time aircraft position over a map?
thx,
lucky
What's that website that shows near real time aircraft position over a map?
thx,
lucky
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| Subject: | Re: Not exactly RV related but... |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
_http://flightaware.com/_ (http://flightaware.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Not exactly RV related but... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
http://flightaware.com/
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
lucky wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>What's that website that shows near real time aircraft position over a map?
>
>thx,
>lucky
>
>What's that website that shows near real time aircraft position over a map?
>
>thx,
>lucky
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
A week or two ago someone asked what I used during my instrument training.
The following is what my instructor recorded and may be different for you.
My plane: 180 HP RV6A, fixed pitch prop.
RPM Airspeed (KTS) VSI (FPM)
Climb 2400 105 800
Cruise 2550 130 000
Cruise Descent 2300 135 500
Approach 2150 100 000
Approach Descent 1650 90 500
Non-precision descent 1100 90 800
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Howdy All,
We received our new airworthiness certificate and operating limitations
this afternoon from the Van Nuys FSDO after about 3 weeks of
negotiation. At issue was a memo in which the former manager of the FSDO
prohibited experimental aircraft from operating at 4 airports within
their geographical jurisdiction. When I raised a ruckus about it, they
backed down and, after we negotiated a new test flight area, agreed to
issue the new oplims. As part of my ruckus raising I brought the EAA in
as advocate and advisor. In fact, it was after Randy Hansen the EAA rep
called my airworthiness inspector that he started backpedaling. The memo
in question has not been rescinded, at least not yet. It contains a
paragraph which allows for, at the FSDO manager's discretion,
experimental aircraft which have already been approved to operate at one
of these airports to continue to do so. Although they didn't
specifically say so, I'm sure that's why they dropped their objection
and granted the new oplims. I asked for and was given a copy of the
memo. If you would like to see it, e-mail me off list and I'll send it
to you. The EAA has stated their intention to challenge the memo. We'll
see how that goes.
I'm still outraged about that memo and its prohibition of experimental
aircraft at 4 airports. Although they are apparently grandfathering our
aircraft, I'm concerned about the precedent which this memo may set if
allowed to stand. I can imagine a future in which airports a various
locations around the country would be off limits to transient as well as
local aircraft at the whim of the local FSDO. It could make both local
and cross country flight difficult, inconvenient and potentially more
dangerous.
Thanks to those of you who offered advice support. Round 2 coming up.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Holyoke [mailto:bicyclop@pacbell.net]
Subject: VNY FSDO weirdness
Howdy folks,
We've applied at the VNY FSDO for a new set of operating limitations
based on the latest version being offered by the FAA so that we can
equip and operate our RV-6a as an IFR aircraft. I had an appointment to
pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell
me that experimental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where
we're based) and some other airports as well. I objected to this
vehemently and requested that he show me chapter and verse in the
regulations where it says that they have any authority to prohibit
certain types of aircraft from specific airports. He said he'd do some
research and get back to me, but canceled our appointment for this
afternoon.
I had heard that VNY FSDO had tried this tack in the past, but thought
they had been shown the light. Has anybody else run into this kind of
bull? How did it shake out?
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.3072 1.0000 -0.3180
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
I'm coming close to having to make final decisions for
my panel and order units. My flight mission includes
"light" IFR capability and my personal preference is to
keep a simple more/less old-fashioned scan. If I cannot
satisfy myself that one of the current "new" products is
better; I'll stick with an all electric six-pack. My
version of the six-pack would include an electric gyro
horizon with a Sandel below. That being said, I can
imagine that by simply replacing the AH and CDI with
identical EFIS display units could be a rather elegant
solution.
My current conundrum comes from the EFIS units currently
available. First, I'm not a fan of their packaging.
All other instruments mount flush with the panel; I'd
like these to also. Second, none have the ability to
interface with another of the same. While at Oshkosh I
asked both Dynon and BMA about this and neither was
interested. Additionally, I could see the possibility
of placing a third display in the backseat (Rocket;
tandem). But alas, my knowledge on all of this is very
limited. Can anyone offer some sound advice ??
thank you in advance,
--
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA HR2
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| Subject: | Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Thanks for the scary update! Please don't back down on this one and keep us up
to date.
lucky
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke"
>
> Howdy All,
>
> We received our new airworthiness certificate and operating limitations
> this afternoon from the Van Nuys FSDO after about 3 weeks of
> negotiation. At issue was a memo in which the former manager of the FSDO
> prohibited experimental aircraft from operating at 4 airports within
> their geographical jurisdiction. When I raised a ruckus about it, they
> backed down and, after we negotiated a new test flight area, agreed to
> issue the new oplims. As part of my ruckus raising I brought the EAA in
> as advocate and advisor. In fact, it was after Randy Hansen the EAA rep
> called my airworthiness inspector that he started backpedaling. The memo
> in question has not been rescinded, at least not yet. It contains a
> paragraph which allows for, at the FSDO manager's discretion,
> experimental aircraft which have already been approved to operate at one
> of these airports to continue to do so. Although they didn't
> specifically say so, I'm sure that's why they dropped their objection
> and granted the new oplims. I asked for and was given a copy of the
> memo. If you would like to see it, e-mail me off list and I'll send it
> to you. The EAA has stated their intention to challenge the memo. We'll
> see how that goes.
>
> I'm still outraged about that memo and its prohibition of experimental
> aircraft at 4 airports. Although they are apparently grandfathering our
> aircraft, I'm concerned about the precedent which this memo may set if
> allowed to stand. I can imagine a future in which airports a various
> locations around the country would be off limits to transient as well as
> local aircraft at the whim of the local FSDO. It could make both local
> and cross country flight difficult, inconvenient and potentially more
> dangerous.
>
>
> Thanks to those of you who offered advice support. Round 2 coming up.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Holyoke [mailto:bicyclop@pacbell.net]
> To: 'SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: VNY FSDO weirdness
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> We've applied at the VNY FSDO for a new set of operating limitations
> based on the latest version being offered by the FAA so that we can
> equip and operate our RV-6a as an IFR aircraft. I had an appointment to
> pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell
> me that experimental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where
> we're based) and some other airports as well. I objected to this
> vehemently and requested that he show me chapter and verse in the
> regulations where it says that they have any authority to prohibit
> certain types of aircraft from specific airports. He said he'd do some
> research and get back to me, but canceled our appointment for this
> afternoon.
>
> I had heard that VNY FSDO had tried this tack in the past, but thought
> they had been shown the light. Has anybody else run into this kind of
> bull? How did it shake out?
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for the scary update! Please don't back down on this one and keep us up
to date.
lucky
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ed Holyoke" bicyclop@pacbell.net
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <BICYCLOP@PACBELL.NET>
Howdy All,
We received our new airworthiness certificate and operating limitations
this afternoon from the Van Nuys FSDO after about 3 weeks of
negotiation. At issue was a memo in which the former manager of the FSDO
prohibited experimental aircraft from operating at 4 airports within
their geographical jurisdiction. When I raised a ruckus about it, they
backed down and, after we negotiated a new test flight area, agreed to
issue the new oplims. As part of my ruckus raising I brought the EAA in
as advocate and advisor. In fact, it was after Randy Hansen the EAA rep
called my airworthiness inspector that he
started backpedaling. The memo
in question has not been rescinded, at least not yet. It contains a
paragraph which allows for, at the FSDO manager's discretion,
experimental aircraft which have already been approved to operate at one
of these airports to continue to do so. Although they didn't
specifically say so, I'm sure that's why they dropped their objection
and granted the new oplims. I asked for and was given a copy of the
memo. If you would like to see it, e-mail me off list and I'll send it
to you. The EAA has stated their intention to challenge the memo. We'll
see how that goes.
I'm still outraged about that memo and its prohibition of experimental
aircraft at 4 airports. Although they are apparently grandfathering our
aircraft, I'm concerned about the precedent which this memo may set if
allowed to stand. I can imagine a future in which air
ports a various
locations around the country would be off limits to transient as well as
local aircraft at the whim of the local FSDO. It could make both local
and cross country flight difficult, inconvenient and potentially more
dangerous.
Thanks to those of you who offered advice support. Round 2 coming up.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Holyoke [mailto:bicyclop@pacbell.net]
To: 'SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: VNY FSDO weirdness
Howdy folks,
We've applied at the VNY FSDO for a new set of operating limitations
based on the latest version being offered by the FAA so that we can
equip and operate our RV-6a as an IFR aircraft. I had an appointment to
pick up our amended oplims today, but the inspector just called to tell
me that experim
ental aircraft are not allowed at VNY, BUR and WHP (where
we're based) and some other airports as well. I objected to this
vehemently and requested that he show me chapter and verse in the
regulations where it says that they have any authority to prohibit
certain types of aircraft from specific airports. He said he'd do some
research and get back to me, but canceled our appointment for this
afternoon.
I had heard that VNY FSDO had tried this tack in the past, but thought
they had been shown the light. Has anybody else run into this kind of
bull? How did it shake out?
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT |
GLOBAL 0.3072 1.0000 -0.3180
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
yeah, call GRT and talk to them as their website doesn't state/show all they really
have to offer. They do have a flush mounted panel and it's easy to add a
display to the rear seater (display is low profile). I've heard of this config
in a RV8.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry E. James"
>
> I'm coming close to having to make final decisions for
> my panel and order units. My flight mission includes
> "light" IFR capability and my personal preference is to
> keep a simple more/less old-fashioned scan. If I cannot
> satisfy myself that one of the current "new" products is
> better; I'll stick with an all electric six-pack. My
> version of the six-pack would include an electric gyro
> horizon with a Sandel below. That being said, I can
> imagine that by simply replacing the AH and CDI with
> identical EFIS display units could be a rather elegant
> solution.
>
> My current conundrum comes from the EFIS units currently
> available. First, I'm not a fan of their packaging.
> All other instruments mount flush with the panel; I'd
> like these to also. Second, none have the ability to
> interface with another of the same. While at Oshkosh I
> asked both Dynon and BMA about this and neither was
> interested. Additionally, I could see the possibility
> of placing a third display in the backseat (Rocket;
> tandem). But alas, my knowledge on all of this is very
> limited. Can anyone offer some sound advice ??
> thank you in advance,
> --
> Larry E. James
> Bellevue, WA HR2
>
>
>
>
>
>
yeah, call GRT and talk to them as their website doesn't state/show all they really
have to offer. They do have a flush mounted panel and it's easy to add a
display to the rear seater (display is low profile). I've heard of this config
in a RV8.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Larry E. James" larry@ncproto.com
-- AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <LARRY@NCPROTO.COM>
I'm coming close to having to make final decisions for
my panel and order units. My flight mission includes
"light" IFR capability and my personal preference is to
keep a simple more/less old-fashioned scan. If I cannot
satisfy myself that one of the current "new" products is
better; I'll stick with an all electric six-pack. My
version of the six-pack would include an electric gyro
horizon with a Sandel below. That being said, I can
imagine that by simply replacing the AH and CDI with
identical EFIS display units could be a rather elegant
solution.
My current conundrum comes f
rom the EFIS units currently
available. First, I'm not a fan of their packaging.
All other instruments mount flush with the panel; I'd
like these to also. Second, none have the ability to
interface with another of the same. While at Oshkosh I
asked both Dynon and BMA about this and neither was
interested. Additionally, I could see the possibility
of placing a third display in the backseat (Rocket;
tandem). But alas, my knowledge on all of this is very
limited. Can anyone offer some sound advice ??
thank you in advance,
--
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA HR2
link below to find out more about
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| Subject: | Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
First off:
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of guys/gals
to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF B1 Bomber.
It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could see the water being
sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I remember seeing one similar
to this of an F-15.
Does anybody have any idea what I'm talking about. If so, do you know the artist
and where I may find these paintings???
Thanks, and sorry for being off topic,
Bill Britton
RV-10 Elevators
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| Subject: | Re: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT GLOBAL |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net> 0.3072
1.0000 -0.3180
The Dynon D10A has a bracket that allows flush mount. Don't know about
the D100, though.
Dick Tasker
Larry E. James wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
>
>I'm coming close to having to make final decisions for
>my panel and order units. My flight mission includes
>"light" IFR capability and my personal preference is to
>keep a simple more/less old-fashioned scan. If I cannot
>satisfy myself that one of the current "new" products is
>better; I'll stick with an all electric six-pack. My
>version of the six-pack would include an electric gyro
>horizon with a Sandel below. That being said, I can
>imagine that by simply replacing the AH and CDI with
>identical EFIS display units could be a rather elegant
>solution.
>
>My current conundrum comes from the EFIS units currently
>available. First, I'm not a fan of their packaging.
>All other instruments mount flush with the panel; I'd
>like these to also. Second, none have the ability to
>interface with another of the same. While at Oshkosh I
>asked both Dynon and BMA about this and neither was
>interested. Additionally, I could see the possibility
>of placing a third display in the backseat (Rocket;
>tandem). But alas, my knowledge on all of this is very
>limited. Can anyone offer some sound advice ??
>thank you in advance,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of
>guys/gals to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF
>B1 Bomber. It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could
>see the water being sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I
>remember seeing one similar to this of an F-15.
If I recall correctly it looked like tall mountains on either side behind it.
As if it had to drop quickly to water level.
Is that the one?
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Yes - try an aviation museum gift shop.
George in Langley BC
Ron Lee wrote:
>>Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF
>>B1 Bomber. It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could
>>see the water being sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I
>>remember seeing one similar to this of an F-15.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Over Cured Epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Kyle is absolutely right, DON'T prime the exterior skins.
They are alclad and will not corrode in the time it takes to finish it.
Most that prime during construction, end up with scratchs in the primer
and end up having a lot of extra work to do.
Not to mention that the eventual paint may not 'play nice' with the
primer you used 'years before'.
When it is time to finish paint, use a very good etching primer so the
paint will stick.
We used this when we painted my -6 and the paint holds up great, while
some of my friends have paint peeling from around screws, seams, etc.
Dw
94 RV-6 918hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
--> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Good advise would be not to prime the exterior until just before
painting.
If you're worried about corrosion under rivet heads, get a rattle can of
zinc chromate and squirt the rivet lines. Alternately just get a can of
ZC and dab it into the holes with a Q-tip. Otherwise, priming the
exterior of the plane prior to paint is just going to add weight in
extra primer, cost of extra primer, and aggrivation from weight, cost,
and extra work...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
> --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
> Couldn't find an answer in the archives, so here goes...
>
> I have been using PPG DP48LF epoxy primer and have been quite happy
with
> it. That being said, I started thinking about the very long term
> proposition of painting the airplane, and how I will deal with the
> parts that were epoxy primed months or years prior. To get the paint
> to properly adhere to those parts that have been epoxy primed, I have
> been told that I (or the paint shop) will need to sand (not just
scuff)
> the primed parts, spray another coat of DP48LF followed quickly
(within
> a day) by the paint.
>
> Knowing this, I am starting to wonder if a primer switch, for the few
> exterior facing parts part left, is in order. Looking at the flap
> brace, I can see where it will be extremely difficult if not
impossible
> to get in between the brace and spar to sand/prime/paint. Maybe you
> could reach through the lightening holes in the brace, but I am not
> sure.
>
> Is this even an issue? Should I consider a switch for the exterior
> parts which will eventually get painted (e.g. flap brace, flap/aileron
> spars)? Just looking for tips or advice from those that have been
> there before. Maybe this will be easy to deal with when the time
comes
> to paint, but I guess I would rather ask questions now.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad Oliver
> RV-7 | Wings
> www.RV7Factory.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
>
>First off:
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of guys/gals
to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF B1 Bomber.
It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could see the water being
sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I remember seeing one similar
to this of an F-15.
>
>Does anybody have any idea what I'm talking about. If so, do you know the artist
and where I may find these paintings???
>
>Thanks, and sorry for being off topic,
>Bill Britton
>RV-10 Elevators
>
>
Go to Chief Aircrafts web site www.chiefaircraft.com and look at the
photos under the painters name of Dru Blair and there is a painting of
an F-14. I did not look
around for the B1.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Mini-EFIS Panel Considerations INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.3072 1.0000 |
-0.3180
--> RV-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
Comments below ...
James
On 12/13/05, Larry E. James <larry@ncproto.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
>
> I'm coming close to having to make final decisions for
> my panel and order units. My flight mission includes
> "light" IFR capability and my personal preference is to
> keep a simple more/less old-fashioned scan. If I cannot
> satisfy myself that one of the current "new" products is
> better; I'll stick with an all electric six-pack. My
> version of the six-pack would include an electric gyro
> horizon with a Sandel below. That being said, I can
> imagine that by simply replacing the AH and CDI with
> identical EFIS display units could be a rather elegant
> solution.
>
> My current conundrum comes from the EFIS units currently
> available. First, I'm not a fan of their packaging.
> All other instruments mount flush with the panel; I'd
> like these to also. Second, none have the ability to
With the Grand Rapids Technologies unit, you can get a "flush mount"
optional packaging. Call and ask Todd about it.
interface with another of the same. While at Oshkosh I
I am not sure of what you are saying but the GRT units have the ability for
one display to "talk" to another. In your Rocket you could have a dual
display system with the same or different data being displayed on each unit.
Is this what you were looking for??
asked both Dynon and BMA about this and neither was
> interested. Additionally, I could see the possibility
> of placing a third display in the backseat (Rocket;
> tandem). But alas, my knowledge on all of this is very
There are those out there with 3-display GRT units flying now.
limited. Can anyone offer some sound advice ??
> thank you in advance,
If I am either not responding to the questions you are asking or giving
answers to things that you knew already, please disregard.
James
--
> Larry E. James
> Bellevue, WA HR2
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Ron
My 0-320 6A with fixed pitch prop needs between 1400 - 1600 RPM on the
glideslope at 90 Kt clean and is hard to slow down if high or in wind
shear. Interestingly, after my last IFR ride (not pretty but acceptable)
the inspector suggested that there is no reason that I could not use
category B limits and fly the aircraft faster (91 - 120 kt) on approach.
More power and stability at the higher speed. My aircraft seems to get
light in pitch at 90 Kts.but I only seem to notice it under the hood!.
If memory serves me correctly at one time approach category was based on
stall speed but now is based on approach/manouver speed.
George in Langley BC
Ron Lee wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>A week or two ago someone asked what I used during my instrument training.
>
>The following is what my instructor recorded and may be different for you.
>My plane: 180 HP RV6A, fixed pitch prop.
>
>
> RPM Airspeed (KTS) VSI (FPM)
>Climb 2400 105 800
>Cruise 2550 130 000
>Cruise Descent 2300 135 500
>Approach 2150 100 000
>Approach Descent 1650 90 500
>Non-precision descent 1100 90 800
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
>
>First off:
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of guys/gals
to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF B1 Bomber.
It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could see the water being
sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I remember seeing one similar
to this of an F-15.
>
>Does anybody have any idea what I'm talking about. If so, do you know the artist
and where I may find these paintings???
>
>Thanks, and sorry for being off topic,
>Bill Britton
>RV-10 Elevators
>
>
>
>
Ah the B1 painting is in there also. www.chiefaircraft.com under
aviation art.
do not archive
Jerry
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
This may be it listed under "Power"
http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/shop/art/art_print_cwar_bombers.html
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
Hi all,
I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the RV8.
Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the needed
parts.
Thanks
Paul
RV8QB Fuselage
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| Subject: | Painting Over Cured Epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Thanks for the help guys!
Sorry, in hindsight I wasn't too clear ;-) I wasn't questioning whether or
not I should prime the skins; I know well enough not to do that now. What I
was referring to are the parts that typically get primed during
construction, and that are somewhat (but not really) exposed. Parts such as
the HS rear spar, rear wing spars and the flap & aileron braces are good
examples.
Someone else pointed out to me that these parts may not even receive paint,
so my original question may be somewhat moot.
Thanks,
Brad Oliver
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wentz, Don
Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Kyle is absolutely right, DON'T prime the exterior skins.
They are alclad and will not corrode in the time it takes to finish it.
Most that prime during construction, end up with scratchs in the primer
and end up having a lot of extra work to do.
Not to mention that the eventual paint may not 'play nice' with the
primer you used 'years before'.
When it is time to finish paint, use a very good etching primer so the
paint will stick.
We used this when we painted my -6 and the paint holds up great, while
some of my friends have paint peeling from around screws, seams, etc.
Dw
94 RV-6 918hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
--> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Good advise would be not to prime the exterior until just before
painting.
If you're worried about corrosion under rivet heads, get a rattle can of
zinc chromate and squirt the rivet lines. Alternately just get a can of
ZC and dab it into the holes with a Q-tip. Otherwise, priming the
exterior of the plane prior to paint is just going to add weight in
extra primer, cost of extra primer, and aggrivation from weight, cost,
and extra work...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Subject: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
> --> RV-List message posted by: Brad Oliver <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
> Couldn't find an answer in the archives, so here goes...
>
> I have been using PPG DP48LF epoxy primer and have been quite happy
with
> it. That being said, I started thinking about the very long term
> proposition of painting the airplane, and how I will deal with the
> parts that were epoxy primed months or years prior. To get the paint
> to properly adhere to those parts that have been epoxy primed, I have
> been told that I (or the paint shop) will need to sand (not just
scuff)
> the primed parts, spray another coat of DP48LF followed quickly
(within
> a day) by the paint.
>
> Knowing this, I am starting to wonder if a primer switch, for the few
> exterior facing parts part left, is in order. Looking at the flap
> brace, I can see where it will be extremely difficult if not
impossible
> to get in between the brace and spar to sand/prime/paint. Maybe you
> could reach through the lightening holes in the brace, but I am not
> sure.
>
> Is this even an issue? Should I consider a switch for the exterior
> parts which will eventually get painted (e.g. flap brace, flap/aileron
> spars)? Just looking for tips or advice from those that have been
> there before. Maybe this will be easy to deal with when the time
comes
> to paint, but I guess I would rather ask questions now.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad Oliver
> RV-7 | Wings
> www.RV7Factory.com
>
>
>
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