Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:52 AM - Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution (Mickey Coggins)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Instrument approach power settings (Ron Lee)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge ()
4. 05:52 AM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (John Huft)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Instrument approach power settings (Nels Hanson)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Bill and Tami Britton)
7. 07:02 AM - Re: Instrument approach power settings (Folbrecht, Paul)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (BRUCE GRAY)
9. 08:10 AM - Parts for sale (rv6fly)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (Bruce Gray)
11. 08:55 AM - Re: Instrument approach power settings (Dan Checkoway)
12. 08:56 AM - OT: Pitot tube question (Paul Folbrecht)
13. 08:56 AM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Tim Bryan)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: Painting Over Cured Epoxy (Wentz, Don)
15. 09:23 AM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (Dan Beadle)
16. 09:24 AM - Bay Area RV 6 or 7 (Parker Thomas)
17. 09:38 AM - Re: Painting (not RV related) (Bill and Tami Britton)
18. 10:02 AM - Paint vs decals (Larry Bowen)
19. 11:34 AM - Re: Paint vs decals (scott bilinski)
20. 12:53 PM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge version=3.0.3 (Stan Jones)
21. 01:28 PM - RV-9 (Alan & Linda Daniels)
22. 02:36 PM - Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge (Mauri Morin)
23. 02:50 PM - Re: Paint vs decals ()
24. 04:26 PM - Re: Paint vs decals (G McNutt)
25. 04:28 PM - Re: Jack Norris Propeller book (John Huft)
26. 04:51 PM - Re: Paint vs decals (Richard Seiders)
27. 05:04 PM - Re: Paint vs decals (Larry Bowen)
28. 05:28 PM - Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution (Vincent Welch)
29. 05:42 PM - Re: Paint vs decals (Joseph Czachorowski)
30. 06:07 PM - Re: OT: Pitot tube question (Darrell Reiley)
31. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Paint vs decals (Larry Bowen)
32. 07:16 PM - Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution (Ed Holyoke)
33. 09:11 PM - Windshield to roll bar shims. (G McNutt)
34. 10:04 PM - Re: Cordless band saw (lancenewman)
35. 10:07 PM - Re: Windshield to roll bar shims. (Gerald Richardson)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ed,
Thanks for the update. This is another example of why we have
to maintain vigilance in order to protect our freedoms.
> I'm still outraged about that memo and its prohibition of experimental
> aircraft at 4 airports. Although they are apparently grandfathering our
> aircraft, I'm concerned about the precedent which this memo may set if
> allowed to stand. I can imagine a future in which airports a various
> locations around the country would be off limits to transient as well as
> local aircraft at the whim of the local FSDO. It could make both local
> and cross country flight difficult, inconvenient and potentially more
> dangerous.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
I believe that my numbers were with some flaps..hence the higher power setting.
I prefer flying the approach without flaps and at a higher speed.
The category is based upon 1.3 x Vso but you use the category based upon
actual speed. The RV meets Category A but I fly at B usually. 90 knots feels
slow.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
Hi Paul,
Try looking at John Hufts web site, you can find it at vans website under links.
Kirk
>
> From: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/12/14 Wed AM 01:33:43 EST
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the RV8.
> Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the needed
> parts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
> RV8QB Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
version=3.0.3
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Here is one...
http://www.lazy8.net/hinges.htm
John
Paul Rice wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the RV8.
>Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the needed
>parts.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>RV8QB Fuselage
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
For what it is worth: I have an 0-320 with a fixed
pitch Sterba prop in my RV-6. I like to get it to 80
mph indicated over the FAF. Then I put on one notch of
flaps when I start the descent for landing. My plane
stalls at 52 mph indicated so I get it down to around
70 coming down the glide slope. If I have two people
on board I use 75 mph indicated. This slower speed
lets me control my glide a lot easier using throttle
and I don't have to worry about trying to slow the
plane up when the runway appears. Of course,if it is
bumpy and there is other circumstances involved,I
would use a slightly higher speed. My general feeling
is that most of us don't do enough slow flight and
stalls so we feel a little uncomfortable at the slower
speeds.
I have a lot of friends who come down final at 80 or
so and then float down the runway.
--- G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt
> <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi Ron
>
> My 0-320 6A with fixed pitch prop needs between 1400
> - 1600 RPM on the
> glideslope at 90 Kt clean and is hard to slow down
> if high or in wind
> shear. Interestingly, after my last IFR ride (not
> pretty but acceptable)
> the inspector suggested that there is no reason that
> I could not use
> category B limits and fly the aircraft faster (91 -
> 120 kt) on approach.
> More power and stability at the higher speed. My
> aircraft seems to get
> light in pitch at 90 Kts.but I only seem to notice
> it under the hood!.
>
> If memory serves me correctly at one time approach
> category was based on
> stall speed but now is based on approach/manouver
> speed.
>
> George in Langley BC
>
>
> Ron Lee wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
> <ronlee@pcisys.net>
> >
> >A week or two ago someone asked what I used during
> my instrument training.
> >
> >The following is what my instructor recorded and
> may be different for you.
> >My plane: 180 HP RV6A, fixed pitch prop.
> >
> >
> > RPM Airspeed
> (KTS) VSI (FPM)
> >Climb 2400
> 105 800
> >Cruise 2550 130
> 000
> >Cruise Descent 2300 135
> 500
> >Approach 2150 100
> 000
> >Approach Descent 1650 90
> 500
> >Non-precision descent 1100 90
> 800
> >
> >Ron Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
Yes, that sounds like it. After about 2 hours of surfing the net I finally
found it. It's a painting by Dru Blair.
Thanks for all the help.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting (not RV related)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>>
>>I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of
>>guys/gals to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF
>>B1 Bomber. It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could
>>see the water being sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I
>>remember seeing one similar to this of an F-15.
>
> If I recall correctly it looked like tall mountains on either side behind
> it.
> As if it had to drop quickly to water level.
>
> Is that the one?
>
> Ron Lee
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Yes, category is (now?) based on approach speed (don't know about
"before").
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G McNutt
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument approach power settings
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Ron
My 0-320 6A with fixed pitch prop needs between 1400 - 1600 RPM on the
glideslope at 90 Kt clean and is hard to slow down if high or in wind
shear. Interestingly, after my last IFR ride (not pretty but acceptable)
the inspector suggested that there is no reason that I could not use
category B limits and fly the aircraft faster (91 - 120 kt) on approach.
More power and stability at the higher speed. My aircraft seems to get
light in pitch at 90 Kts.but I only seem to notice it under the hood!.
If memory serves me correctly at one time approach category was based on
stall speed but now is based on approach/manouver speed.
George in Langley BC
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| Subject: | RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Paul,
Check John Huft's web sight through Van's Web sight links. Clean design but
a little bit of work.
>From: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:33:43 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the RV8.
>Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the
>needed
>parts.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>RV8QB Fuselage
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly <rv6fly@bresnan.net>
I've been trying to gather up all of the "strays" left over from my RV
building days. Here is a link to some pictures of the various parts:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v620/WyoBob/Airplane%20Parts/
The Prestolite starter, the alternator, magneto and the keyed mag
switch (no start position) are off a wrecked Cherokee 140 I bought for
$4,000 for the engine. Boy, those days are gone forever. The starter
works as I put it on my RV6 when the Sky Tec conked out. The starter
is a Prestolite Part No MZ4204 with a 9 tooth gear.
The right mag (Bendix S4LN-20) was overhauled before I put in on my
RV but was removed after around 150 hours for the installation of the
Jeff Rose electonic "mag". It's resided in a plastic bag ever since.
It doesn't have a gear on it.
The alternator is whatever was stock on a Cherokee 140 with a 150 hp
Lycoming. Same with the keyed mag switch. The pitot tube is off the
Cherokee. I don't remember where I got the engine primer. The primed
RV6 tailwheel fork, carb plate and heat muff are all from Van's and
never used. I bought the Tekna Mon Lite for the six but never used it.
The adhesive mount pad is still intact. The light has a red lens and
the light is removable from the mount. I believe it uses a lithium battery.
I also have two sets of dimple dies, one #3 and one #4 rivet. I don't
know for sure who made these as I had six or seven sets. They look like
Avery dies but I just can't say. Every time Art Chard stopped by for a
visit, it seems like he'd bring me another set of dies. What he gave me
got mixed it with what I bought. Anyway, I don't know if these have
ever been used. I thought I'd sold all of my dies when I sold my RV
tools. I'd like to sell both sets of dies as a package and I'll throw
in a couple of thin, flush sets for use with a squeezer.
The alternator and starter might not be desirable for RV builders
(although those with wood props could probably use the starter to
balance things out) but you may have friends who have certified aircraft
who wouldn't mind having a spare. I also have a Cherokee right wing,
cowl, nose bowl, rudder and some other parts if anyone knows someone who
could use them.
The way I'd like to sell these items is just to take offers until Jan.
1st. Best offer gets the item. Buyers will be responsible for
freight. I'll try to answer any questions but will be in and out for
the next several weeks so may not get right back to you. My e-mail is
rv6fly@bresnan.net
I was very active on the list in the late 90's. You can do a search
on "Bob Skinner" and pretty well figure out I'm a straight shooter.
There's probably still a few on the list that bought some tools from me
when I "went out of business" who could vouch for me. Anyway, this
stuff won't do me much good so I thought it might help someone out. As
soon as my friend in Spearfish finishes his 6A, I'll be bringing back
lots and lots of cigar boxes full of aircraft hardware that I'll offer
to the list.
Bob Skinner Buffalo, WY
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| Subject: | RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
OH NO! Not another one, and here I thought I was unique.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Paul,
Check John Huft's web sight through Van's Web sight links. Clean design but
a little bit of work.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument approach power settings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Nels,
I don't disagree with your statement about most of us needing to do more
slow flight practice. Just want to provide a slightly different
perspective.
In my RV-7 (200hp C/S), I have flown 30 instrument approaches (267
approaches, ~200 hours instrument time in total). Not a heck of a lot, so
take my perspective with a grain of salt.
I fly the ILS at 120 KIAS.
I fly non-precision approaches at 100 KIAS.
Rationale? The plane feels more stable at higher airspeed, the controls are
stiffer, and it rides through turbulence better (imho). Corrections in
course are accomplished more quickly, which means I can use smaller heading
corrections, and I'm less prone to over-control the plane on approach.
I fly slightly slower on non-precision approaches because 100 KIAS is very
close to the 110 MIAS first-20-degrees flap extension speed. With a slight
throttle reduction and/or slight pitch, I'm at flap speed.
Now...if I *know* the ceiling is high and I'm going to break out well before
DH, then I fly much faster at 120-140 KIAS. This gives me stiff controls,
faster correction ability, and a better ride through the bumps. I do this
when I know I will have enough room below the clouds to maneuver and
decelerate to flap speed.
If I had a fixed pitch prop, I would almost definitely fly on the slower
side. Having the "braking" ability that the C/S prop affords opens up the
door on approaches to using higher airspeeds (imho).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (722 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels Hanson" <pa201950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument approach power settings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
>
> For what it is worth: I have an 0-320 with a fixed
> pitch Sterba prop in my RV-6. I like to get it to 80
> mph indicated over the FAF. Then I put on one notch of
> flaps when I start the descent for landing. My plane
> stalls at 52 mph indicated so I get it down to around
> 70 coming down the glide slope. If I have two people
> on board I use 75 mph indicated. This slower speed
> lets me control my glide a lot easier using throttle
> and I don't have to worry about trying to slow the
> plane up when the runway appears. Of course,if it is
> bumpy and there is other circumstances involved,I
> would use a slightly higher speed. My general feeling
> is that most of us don't do enough slow flight and
> stalls so we feel a little uncomfortable at the slower
> speeds.
> I have a lot of friends who come down final at 80 or
> so and then float down the runway.
>
> --- G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt
>> <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
>>
>> Hi Ron
>>
>> My 0-320 6A with fixed pitch prop needs between 1400
>> - 1600 RPM on the
>> glideslope at 90 Kt clean and is hard to slow down
>> if high or in wind
>> shear. Interestingly, after my last IFR ride (not
>> pretty but acceptable)
>> the inspector suggested that there is no reason that
>> I could not use
>> category B limits and fly the aircraft faster (91 -
>> 120 kt) on approach.
>> More power and stability at the higher speed. My
>> aircraft seems to get
>> light in pitch at 90 Kts.but I only seem to notice
>> it under the hood!.
>>
>> If memory serves me correctly at one time approach
>> category was based on
>> stall speed but now is based on approach/manouver
>> speed.
>>
>> George in Langley BC
>>
>>
>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>
>> >--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
>> <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>> >
>> >A week or two ago someone asked what I used during
>> my instrument training.
>> >
>> >The following is what my instructor recorded and
>> may be different for you.
>> >My plane: 180 HP RV6A, fixed pitch prop.
>> >
>> >
>> > RPM Airspeed
>> (KTS) VSI (FPM)
>> >Climb 2400
>> 105 800
>> >Cruise 2550 130
>> 000
>> >Cruise Descent 2300 135
>> 500
>> >Approach 2150 100
>> 000
>> >Approach Descent 1650 90
>> 500
>> >Non-precision descent 1100 90
>> 800
>> >
>> >Ron Lee
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Click on
>> about
>> provided
>> www.buildersbooks.com,
>> Admin.
>> _->
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Pitot tube question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I have a heated pitot - AN5812-12 - that I bought used. The vertical
tube/fitting coming out of the body is not straight - it's slightly bent
in two planes. Is this normal? If not, is it a huge problem? The tube
does not have any cracks or leaks.
Apologies for posting this to the list but I kinda need a quick answer
and can't get to the airport in the next couple days.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Bill,
I have two of the three Dru Blair paintings you are talking about. They
draw lots of comments. The B1 painting is hanging in my den in clear view
for guests after they enter my home. Everyone notices it and comments on it
Great art.
I purchased them at Arlington, Wa flyin a few years back.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: Bill and Tami Britton
Subject: RV-List: Painting (not RV related)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
First off:
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of
guys/gals to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF
B1 Bomber. It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could see
the water being sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I remember
seeing one similar to this of an F-15.
Does anybody have any idea what I'm talking about. If so, do you know the
artist and where I may find these paintings???
Thanks, and sorry for being off topic,
Bill Britton
RV-10 Elevators
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| Subject: | Painting Over Cured Epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Brad,
I painted all of my 'internal' surfaces with Akso? (was Courtalds) epoxy
primer.
I painted my interior with catalyzed Enamel, and the exterior with
Sikkens basecoat clearcoat urethane.
In all places where these paints went over the primer, I had no issues.
I think that hits your question.
dw
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley Oliver
Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting Over Cured Epoxy
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Thanks for the help guys!
Sorry, in hindsight I wasn't too clear ;-) I wasn't questioning whether
or not I should prime the skins; I know well enough not to do that now.
What I was referring to are the parts that typically get primed during
construction, and that are somewhat (but not really) exposed. Parts
such as the HS rear spar, rear wing spars and the flap & aileron braces
are good examples.
Someone else pointed out to me that these parts may not even receive
paint, so my original question may be somewhat moot.
Thanks,
Brad Oliver
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| Subject: | RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
Where at this site?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
OH NO! Not another one, and here I thought I was unique.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRUCE GRAY
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Paul,
Check John Huft's web sight through Van's Web sight links. Clean design
but
a little bit of work.
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| Subject: | Bay Area RV 6 or 7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Hello Builders -
I'm wondering if any of you have a completed RV 6, 7 or 9 near San Francisco
or Oakland that I could come look at. I'm trying to convince a friend to
join me on my second RV project. He is 6' 5" and a little concerned about
whether he would fit without his head sticking out.
Just being able to sit in one would be a big help. We could probably do it
this weekend sometime.
Many thanks,
Parker Thomas
RV-8 N321PT built, flown for 300 wondrous hours and, unfortunately, sold
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
ShredFirst
phone 510-433-0200
fax 510-217-5976
parker@shredfirst.biz
www.shredfirst.biz
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| Subject: | Re: Painting (not RV related) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
Thanks to all for the help. I've found the paintings.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting (not RV related)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
> Bill,
> I have two of the three Dru Blair paintings you are talking about. They
> draw lots of comments. The B1 painting is hanging in my den in clear view
> for guests after they enter my home. Everyone notices it and comments on
> it
> Great art.
>
> I purchased them at Arlington, Wa flyin a few years back.
> Tim
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Bill and Tami Britton
> Date: 12/13/05 19:26:23
> To: RV-List@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Painting (not RV related)
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
>
> First off:
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> I have a question that is not RV related but this is the best bunch of
> guys/gals to ask!!! Several years back I came across a painting of a USAF
> B1 Bomber. It was a painting from the front of the plane and you could
> see
> the water being sucked up behind the aircraft. I also think I remember
> seeing one similar to this of an F-15.
>
> Does anybody have any idea what I'm talking about. If so, do you know the
> artist and where I may find these paintings???
>
> Thanks, and sorry for being off topic,
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 Elevators
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I visited the local paint shop to inquire about painting my RV-8. I'm
going to go with a modified 8th Air Force, stars and bars, invasion
stripes, Mustang sort of scheme. The painter said he could paint the
stars/bars emblems and this would be much better than decals as they wear
and weather too easily. (Uh, OK...he does this for a living so he
probably knows more than me on the topic. He wants me to give him
dimensions for the emblems so he can have stencils made. I don't have
these demensions...)
Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either route
was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence. Thoughts?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
High end vinyl graphics are good for 7 years 24/7 in the weather/sun. Its a lot
of labor painting it on, wait til you see the cost? The graphics should cost
about 30~50 bucks each plus installation. If you have graphics made make sure
you get the high end stuff.
Larry Bowen <Larry@BowenAero.com> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry
Bowen"
I visited the local paint shop to inquire about painting my RV-8. I'm
going to go with a modified 8th Air Force, stars and bars, invasion
stripes, Mustang sort of scheme. The painter said he could paint the
stars/bars emblems and this would be much better than decals as they wear
and weather too easily. (Uh, OK...he does this for a living so he
probably knows more than me on the topic. He wants me to give him
dimensions for the emblems so he can have stencils made. I don't have
these demensions...)
Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either route
was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence. Thoughts?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge version=3.0.3 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
Try this one too
http://www.guden.com/display-chh.asp
Stan
-------Original Message-------
From: John Huft
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge version3.0.3
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Here is one...
http://www.lazy8.net/hinges.htm
John
Paul Rice wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the RV8.
>Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the
needed
>parts.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>RV8QB Fuselage
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I have decided to sell my RV-9A project. It includes all the kits
including finish kit, duel steps, tip up, landing lights, electric
elevator trim, and the 0-320 out of my Cherokee 140 that was destroyed
in a windstorm. High time but was good and strong. The price is about
the cost of the kits and extras plus about core price on the engine. The
first $26,500 takes it. The tail kit is done and the wings are mostly
done but not closed.
I was building it for my wife around all my other projects but she is
just too busy with grand kids and such, besides I already built her one
plane that she still has and does not fly that much.
Ontario Oregon location. Contact off list for more information.
DNA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bresnan.net>
Check this out:
http://www.guden.com/display-chh.asp
They have a very liberal sample policy. I requested two (2) of the aluminum
ones and I had them in a couple of days.
Mauri
RV-8 Fuse
Polson, MT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV8 Baggage Door Hinge
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I remember reading something about a hidden baggage door hinge for the
> RV8.
> Can anyone lead me to the sight I saw this or have the planes for the
> needed
> parts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
> RV8QB Fuselage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
Hi Larry,
I met you this year at Osh right after you got there, you have a great looking
plane. I am also painting my 8 with a P-51 scheme with invasion stipes, and from
what I have found in my research is the stick on ones are fine but you will
feel a sharp edge. After looking at RVs around I have decided that I will pay
the extra to have everything painted on, its just personal but I really don't
like the hard sharp edges on vinyl decals. I am even having my nose art painted
on!(I don't even want to think about the bill)
All the Best,
Kirk Groves "Dakota Queen" finishing
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2005/12/14 Wed PM 01:01:26 EST
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Paint vs decals
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> I visited the local paint shop to inquire about painting my RV-8. I'm
> going to go with a modified 8th Air Force, stars and bars, invasion
> stripes, Mustang sort of scheme. The painter said he could paint the
> stars/bars emblems and this would be much better than decals as they wear
> and weather too easily. (Uh, OK...he does this for a living so he
> probably knows more than me on the topic. He wants me to give him
> dimensions for the emblems so he can have stencils made. I don't have
> these demensions...)
>
> Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either route
> was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence. Thoughts?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Larry
Call a sign shop, or try 3M website. Like everything else there are
different grades and the good stuff will last a long time without fade.
My vinyl is like new after three years but that is really not a test
because the aircraft is hangared.
If you do go with vinyl it is easier to put the long strips on fusalage
before the wings go on.
George in Langley BC
Larry Bowen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>
>Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either route
>was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence. Thoughts?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Norris Propeller book |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
I just got a letter from Jack Norris. He apologizes for the lateness of
his book. He is busy.
He gives a little synopsis of his book still to come, and it is great.
If the entire book is half as entertaining as this letter, it will be a
bargain.
If I remember correctly (unlikely), send him a check for $14.95.
Jack Norris
11613 Seminole Circle
Northridge, CA 91326
Randy Lervold wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>I spoke with Jack Norris several times when he was designing the new
>propeller airfoil for Jim Rust at Whirl Wind (now in use on the 200RV and
>151). I understood about 20% of what he was talking about, but that 20% was
>very educational. He told me he was writing a book but I was unaware it was
>finished. He's a very interesting guy and of course quite knowledgable. That
>new airfoil is quite an accomplishment btw. How can one get a copy?
>
>Randy Lervold
>www.rv-3.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Jack Norris Propeller book
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Mickey:
>>
>>Mine also has not arrived.
>>
>>He did not cash the check either. Jack has a good reputation and I do not
>>think he will take the money and run. I am betting he is behind on
>>publication and waiting to cash check and send out.
>>
>>Gary A. Sobek
>>"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
>>1,800 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>>http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Jack Norris Propeller book
>>Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:32:51 +0100
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>
>>There was a fellow named Jack Norris at Oshkosh handing out
>>fliers for a book he had written about propellers. I ordered
>>one, but I have not received it. Has anyone else ordered and
>>received this book?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mickey
>>--
>>Mickey Coggins
>>http://www.rv8.ch/
>>#82007 finishing
>>
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
Larry, my decals are 3.5 yrs and 400 hrs old and looking good. Got them at
Aircraft Spruce.
Dick -RV6A
At 01:01 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>I visited the local paint shop to inquire about painting my RV-8. I'm
>going to go with a modified 8th Air Force, stars and bars, invasion
>stripes, Mustang sort of scheme. The painter said he could paint the
>stars/bars emblems and this would be much better than decals as they wear
>and weather too easily. (Uh, OK...he does this for a living so he
>probably knows more than me on the topic. He wants me to give him
>dimensions for the emblems so he can have stencils made. I don't have
>these demensions...)
>
>Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either route
>was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence. Thoughts?
>
>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Hmmm, I haven't considered the sharp edge. My scheme is relatively straight
forward, so they were going to charge me the same price decals or paint.
Another factor I had not considered was putting these decals on over fuse or
wing skin seams. What's the routine there? Get the decal as tight to the
seam as possible and hope it doesn't peal up? Or put it in place and then
cut it at the seam so it lays flatter?
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: groves@epix.net [mailto:groves@epix.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:50 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Paint vs decals
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: <groves@epix.net>
>
> Hi Larry,
> I met you this year at Osh right after you got there, you
> have a great looking plane. I am also painting my 8 with a
> P-51 scheme with invasion stipes, and from what I have found
> in my research is the stick on ones are fine but you will
> feel a sharp edge. After looking at RVs around I have decided
> that I will pay the extra to have everything painted on, its
> just personal but I really don't like the hard sharp edges on
> vinyl decals. I am even having my nose art painted on!(I
> don't even want to think about the bill)
> All the Best,
> Kirk Groves "Dakota Queen" finishing
> >
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > Date: 2005/12/14 Wed PM 01:01:26 EST
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Paint vs decals
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >
> > I visited the local paint shop to inquire about painting my
> RV-8. I'm
> > going to go with a modified 8th Air Force, stars and bars, invasion
> > stripes, Mustang sort of scheme. The painter said he could
> paint the
> > stars/bars emblems and this would be much better than
> decals as they
> > wear and weather too easily. (Uh, OK...he does this for a
> living so
> > he probably knows more than me on the topic. He wants me
> to give him
> > dimensions for the emblems so he can have stencils made. I
> don't have
> > these demensions...)
> >
> > Anyway, are modern day vinyl decals that fragile? I thought either
> > route was fine, and decals win out due to the convienence.
> Thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
At issue was a memo in which the former manager of the FSDO
>prohibited experimental aircraft from operating at 4 airports within
>their geographical jurisdiction.
Did you also notify the AOPA? I think that they have a little more
political muscle than the EAA.
Vince Welch
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Joseph Czachorowski" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Larry,
I would definitely paint the stripes, stars and bars if possible. More durable.
However, I do have some decals on my plane that are holding up well. It's
called "High Performance Vinyl."
If you decide to go the paint route, I had a local sign company make up "scale"
(for the RV8) stars-n-bars paint masks and would be happy to put you in touch
if interested. I also have the dimensions for the invasion stripes. They
will also do the large letters that go on either side of the stars and bars (per
8th AF).
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Pitot tube question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
If you have no leaks or cracks the slight bends are irrelevant...
Darrell
Paul Folbrecht <pfolbrecht@starkinvestments.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht
I have a heated pitot - AN5812-12 - that I bought used. The vertical
tube/fitting coming out of the body is not straight - it's slightly bent
in two planes. Is this normal? If not, is it a huge problem? The tube
does not have any cracks or leaks.
Apologies for posting this to the list but I kinda need a quick answer
and can't get to the airport in the next couple days.
do not archive
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Paint vs decals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, any dimensional type specs you can give me would be appreciated. The
paint shop asked for those specs...wasn't sire where to go for them.
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Czachorowski [mailto:zackrv8@verizon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:41 PM
> To: RV-List@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Paint vs decals
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joseph Czachorowski"
> --> <zackrv8@verizon.net>
>
> Larry,
>
> I would definitely paint the stripes, stars and bars if
> possible. More durable. However, I do have some decals on
> my plane that are holding up well. It's called "High
> Performance Vinyl."
>
> If you decide to go the paint route, I had a local sign
> company make up "scale" (for the RV8) stars-n-bars paint
> masks and would be happy to put you in touch if interested.
> I also have the dimensions for the invasion stripes. They
> will also do the large letters that go on either side of the
> stars and bars (per 8th AF).
>
> Zack
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
That's a good point. I'll do that. I thought of the EAA first as they're
closer to home for homebuilders.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vincent Welch
Subject: RE: RV-List: FW: VNY FSDO weirdness - (partial) Resolution
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
<welchvincent@hotmail.com>
At issue was a memo in which the former manager of the FSDO
>prohibited experimental aircraft from operating at 4 airports within
>their geographical jurisdiction.
Did you also notify the AOPA? I think that they have a little more
political muscle than the EAA.
Vince Welch
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Windshield to roll bar shims. |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Here is a tip that I haven't seen written up anywhere so thought I would
pass it on.
Vans instructions for the windshield to roll bar shims says to use
"neatly cut pieces of aluminum or a stack of AN960-6 washers".
It is difficult handling the washers unless glued together.
Easier by far is to cut spacers from the scrap Plexiglass from the edges
of the canopy. Because of the way the canopy stretches during formation
the thickness in various areas varies by over 1/16th inch allowing for
custom thickness spacers.
I mark out 1/2 X 1/2 inch spacers, drill 9/64 hole and then cut on
band-saw. If to thick slim it down on belt sander before cutting.
George in Langley BC
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| Subject: | Re: Cordless band saw |
--> RV-List message posted by: "lancenewman" <lancenewman@comcast.net>
I have the same Millwaukee saw and your right about the throat depth being
shallow, but I just offset the cutting angle for clearance and bolt a piece
of heavy iron plate to the bottom and I have a nice base. I also made a
small table out of scrap metal and a debris catcher. Now it is the smallest
cuts anything like butter. Harbor freight has it's clone for about 100.00.
I don't know about the quality of it though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cordless band saw
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
> I've used a Milwaukee electric band saw (corded) for years and it's great
> for cutting the ss tubes in the kit but not suitable to replace an upright
> band saw for most other work. Limited throat depth if nothing else but the
> lack of a table to hold material is a negative.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Windshield to roll bar shims. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerald Richardson <gerric@shaw.ca>
George:
Do you have any photos that you could show me. Please email me of list
at gerric@shaw.ca
Thank you
Gerald Richardson
Medicine Hat, Alberta
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G McNutt
Subject: RV-List: Windshield to roll bar shims.
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Here is a tip that I haven't seen written up anywhere so thought I would
pass it on.
Vans instructions for the windshield to roll bar shims says to use
"neatly cut pieces of aluminum or a stack of AN960-6 washers". It is
difficult handling the washers unless glued together.
Easier by far is to cut spacers from the scrap Plexiglass from the edges
of the canopy. Because of the way the canopy stretches during formation
the thickness in various areas varies by over 1/16th inch allowing for
custom thickness spacers.
I mark out 1/2 X 1/2 inch spacers, drill 9/64 hole and then cut on
band-saw. If to thick slim it down on belt sander before cutting.
George in Langley BC
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12/13/2005
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12/13/2005
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