---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/09/06: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:18 AM - Tell me it ain't true (Rick Galati) 2. 07:43 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Sam Buchanan) 3. 08:29 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Smitty) 4. 08:29 AM - Re: Was Constant Speed - I/O 390 engine performance ? (Condon, Philip M.) 5. 08:35 AM - Engine problems (AYRES, JIMMY L) 6. 08:57 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Evan and Megan Johnson) 7. 08:59 AM - Re: Engine problems (LessDragProd@aol.com) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: Engine problems (Gerry Filby) 9. 10:23 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Dave Nellis) 10. 10:23 AM - Heat shield was Burning smell (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Bob) 12. 11:07 AM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Matt Dralle) 13. 11:57 AM - Oshkosh Housing Question... (Matt Johnson) 14. 12:16 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question...(not processed: message from valid local sender) (oliver h washburn) 15. 12:51 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Rhonda Bewley) 16. 12:59 PM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Tedd McHenry) 17. 01:27 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (scott bilinski) 18. 01:51 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Bill and Tami Britton) 19. 01:58 PM - Re: Airspeed Indicator Error (Tom Barnes) 20. 02:03 PM - Re: Engine problems (wskimike) 21. 02:13 PM - Aeromedical, which is best (bertrv6@highstream.net) 22. 02:49 PM - Re: Engine problems (AYRES, JIMMY L) 23. 03:12 PM - Re: Engine problems (Dave Johnson) 24. 03:31 PM - Re: Engine problems (Tim Bryan) 25. 03:42 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Tony Marshall) 26. 03:50 PM - Re: Engine problems (Randy Lervold) 27. 04:14 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 28. 04:18 PM - Re: Engine problems (Dave Johnson) 29. 04:44 PM - Re: Engine problems (Alex Peterson) 30. 05:12 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (Wentz, Don) 31. 05:13 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Howard Walrath) 32. 05:47 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message (Matt Johnson) 33. 06:09 PM - Re: Engine problems (Brian Alley) 34. 06:20 PM - Re: Tell me it ain't true (Bobby Hester) 35. 06:21 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Walter Tondu) 36. 06:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from (Richard E. Tasker) 37. 06:49 PM - Re: Engine problems (Dave Nellis) 38. 06:53 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Bob Collins) 39. 07:07 PM - All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! (Matt Dralle) 40. 07:09 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message (Charlie England) 41. 07:56 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Jeff Dowling) 42. 08:56 PM - Re: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from (Richard E. Tasker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:17 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati RV'ers I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any additional information concerning this bulletin? http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 0-320 D1A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Rick Galati wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > RV'ers > > I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the > FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any > additional information concerning this bulletin? > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf More info here: http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true From: "Smitty" --> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" I can't get to the website here at work, we're blocked out. What is the gist of the thing? Smitty's RV-9A http://SmittysRV.com > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Rick Galati wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati >> >> RV'ers >> >> I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the >> FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any >> additional information concerning this bulletin? >> >> http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf > > > More info here: > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:57 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: Was Constant Speed - I/O 390 engine performance ? From: "Condon, Philip M." --> RV-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." Does the extra 7 CID per cylinder yield 5% improvement in total ??? Or is it more likely a new engine (proper compression and all that)is responsible for the performance increase...... Is the I/O 390 an angle valve engine ? Was the 360 a parallel of angle valve engine ?? ....................................................................... ................ Dana, I put approximately 300 hours on the IO360 before converting to the IO390. The IO390 added approximately 5% in all parameters. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Constant Speed ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:50 AM PST US From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Hey fellow RV'ers, I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing seams to correct this recently developed problem. Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jimmy Ayres RV6A flying, building an RV7A Hey fellow RV'ers, I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing seams to correct this recently developed problem. Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jimmy Ayres RV6A flying, building an RV7A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:10 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" my computer will not open these....can sombody please summarize this for me? Thanks in advance... do not archive evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Buchanan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Rick Galati wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > > > RV'ers > > > > I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the > > FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any > > additional information concerning this bulletin? > > > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf > > > More info here: > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:19 AM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com Hi Jimmy, The O-360 in my RV-6A needed to have the intake hose couplings replaced on the intake tubes near the oil sump. I also found I had a loose intake tube in the oil sump on number 3 cylinder. Another source of an induction air leak. The number 3 cylinder was peaking much earlier than the other 3 cylinders. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 01/09/2006 8:39:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, JAYRES@entergy.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Hey fellow RV'ers, I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing seams to correct this recently developed problem. Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jimmy Ayres RV6A flying, building an RV7A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby I experienced something similar flying a rental plane with an IO-240 - took the FBO months to figure it out - in the end turned out to be a cracked exhaust manifold - or so I was told. The engine didn't actually quit but it coughed and shuddered in a very scarey way when re-applying power on the go-around. Something to check maybe ... g > > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past > month or so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine > losing power/dying when I pull power back for landing and then > try to re-apply power. I have replaced the carb with a known > good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark plugs, check > hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to > figure this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb > heat. Nothing seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was > the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jimmy Ayres > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine > that I have been > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or > so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing > power/dying when I > pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have > replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air > filter, cleaned spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? > And if so what > was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jimmy Ayres > > > > > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:21 AM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis There are certain 360 engines that will need a new crankshaft put in. Engines built after 1999 are affected. --- Evan and Megan Johnson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan > Johnson" > > my computer will not open these....can sombody > please summarize this for me? > Thanks in advance... > do not archive > evan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Buchanan" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > > > > Rick Galati wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > > > > > > RV'ers > > > > > > I just received a very distressing "heads up" > from a buddy in the > > > FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. > Can anyone provide any > > > additional information concerning this bulletin? > > > > > > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf > > > > > > More info here: > > > > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf > > > > Sam Buchanan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:46 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Heat shield was Burning smell --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com We've used the same stuff, but found it comes loose with just the sticky stuff on. So we glued the edges with red RTV, no more problems. Jerry Cochran Wilsonville, OR RV6a/Lyco 180/CS Steve I have the same oil breather drip system and have noticed no smell at all. I also have sticky backed aluminum sheet lining the "hot spots" on the inside of my cowl to protect the fiberglass from exhaust heat which does work well. There is about 1" square that has received some heat and after 100 hrs this spot has discolored so there is heat present there. The aluminum sheet is available from Vans and is cheap. Dick DeCramer RV6 N500DD Northfield, MN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:33 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > >Rick Galati wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati > > > > RV'ers > > > > I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the > > FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any > > additional information concerning this bulletin? > > > > > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf > > >More info here: > >http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf > >Sam Buchanan The Gist of the SB: it has been a mandatory SB since last summer, the FAA is about to make it an Airworthiness Directive. It involves Lycoming 360 thru 540 counterweighted engines, mostly Fuel Injected engines. Get the SB and check if you engine is affected. As I read the SB, Lycoming is paying for the replacement and shipping. FYI, O360 A1A, A1D are not affected. For those who want to get mad as (fill in the blank), I did that last summer. How can a manufacturer charge so much for a product that is defective? I guess as long as they are paying, it is not as bad as if the owner had to pay for the replacement. Bob RV6 NightFighter ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:42 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle At 11:55 AM 1/9/2006 Monday, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob >> > --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati >> > >> > RV'ers >> > >> > I just received a very distressing "heads up" from a buddy in the >> > FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. Can anyone provide any >> > additional information concerning this bulletin? >> > > > >For those who want to get mad as (fill in the blank), I did that last >summer. How can a manufacturer charge so much for a product that is >defective? > >Bob >RV6 NightFighter Yeah, but Bob, with that logic, you should never have to repair a Ferrari or a Lamborghini... Yeah, right... :-) Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:59 AM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to rent a car) - Matt ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:04 PM PST US From: "oliver h washburn" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question...(not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "oliver h washburn" Check the dorm. They usually have something this early, andyes motels are tough as most people sign up for the next year when they check out. Ollie > [Original Message] > From: Matt Johnson > To: ; > Date: 1/9/2006 2:56:38 PM > Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question...(not processed: message from valid local sender) > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. > Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were > also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to > rent a car) > > - Matt > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) From: "Rhonda Bewley" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" Grab a tent! Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to rent a car) - Matt ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:39 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > >For those who want to get mad as (fill in the blank), I did that last > >summer. How can a manufacturer charge so much for a product that is > >defective? > > Yeah, but Bob, with that logic, you should never have to repair a Ferrari or > a Lamborghini... Yeah, right... :-) Good one. But, at the same time, it's not really a fair comparison. You don't necessarily expect reliability from a Ferrari or Lamborghini, you're more interested in the exotic-ness or uniqueness of the product. Contrarily, with a Lycoming, reliability is one of the princpal justifications for the cost. But I was pleased to see that Lycoming is picking up the cost (or some of it, anyway). Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:50 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski Twice I decided to go to OSH at the last minute and had a rental car and hotel. Might not be the nicest room butt.....I found a room a few years ago in Appleton. Car rental I got right at OSH it was not a problem. Just get on the phone and start calling. Here is a little info. The way I understand it ALL hotel rooms in Oshkosh are booked by the city and then rented back out through the hotel at higher rates. So start looking for a room out side of Oshkosh county. If you dont mind driving 30 minutes I am sure you can find a room. Matt Johnson wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to rent a car) - Matt Scott Bilinski RV-8a cell 858-395-5094 --------------------------------- Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:10 PM PST US From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" Last year was my first year going to OSH. We stayed in Green Bay. It was about a 50 minute drive (If I remember right), and we had a nice clean room to stay in. We would get to OSH early enough to get "decent" parking and we'd still be completely worn out at the end of the day. I will definitely go the camping route when I get my RV-10 built but until then I'll probably continue to stay out of town. It's not that big of a deal. Bill Britton RV-10 Elevators, trim tabs ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott bilinski" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) > --> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski > > Twice I decided to go to OSH at the last minute and had a rental car and > hotel. Might not be the nicest room butt.....I found a room a few years > ago in Appleton. Car rental I got right at OSH it was not a problem. Just > get on the phone and start calling. > > Here is a little info. The way I understand it ALL hotel rooms in Oshkosh > are booked by the city and then rented back out through the hotel at > higher rates. So start looking for a room out side of Oshkosh county. If > you dont mind driving 30 minutes I am sure you can find a room. > > Matt Johnson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, > every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. > Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know > if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were > also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance > in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to > rent a car) > > - Matt > > > Scott Bilinski > RV-8a > cell 858-395-5094 > > --------------------------------- > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:54 PM PST US From: "Tom Barnes" Subject: Re: RV-List: Airspeed Indicator Error --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" Dave, You might be able to get something useful by searching the archives on "new asi calibration". See Kevin Horton's article where he lists the airspeed in knots and MPH for a number of water column differentials. A differential of just 31 inches of water represents an airspeed of 250 MPH, so a few yards of plastic tubing along with a yard stick plus whatever is required to interface to your pitot tube, is all you need. I built the test device but at the time, my system leaked down too fast to get perfect results - as I was working solo. I think Kevin got his numbers from a MIL specification. Tom Barnes -6 N442TB ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: RV-List: Airspeed Indicator Error > --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" > > I just did a balloon test to see if my pitot system would hold pressure. It did, but I got two different airspeed indications & I'm wondering if the UMA unit I bought from Vans can be adjusted. The UMA said I was using a 103 kt balloon but the Dynon D10 said I was using a 109 kt balloon. Have any of you observed differences like these? Which was the most reliable? Anyone know of a book full of numbers and equations that would give me the air pressure that corresponds to 110 kt? It seems to me that a test pilot oriented book of that sort would be pretty useful during the coming months. > > Dave Reel - RV8A FAA inspection Jan 25 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:51 PM PST US From: "wskimike" Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone up? Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give us more to go on. Mike Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 > years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have > been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull > power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced > the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the > problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Jimmy Ayres > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have > been > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or > so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying > when I > pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have > replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned > spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so > what > was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jimmy Ayres > > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:21 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Aeromedical, which is best --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: From the list, you have posted: Virtual Flight Surgeons; Pilot Medical solutions; and FAA Medical problems or Arma Research Inc., Which has been successful if any, on fighting the FAA in getting Medical... Appreciate comments if any of you had any luck with any of the above..is it worth to pay the money they asked one over @1,000...for their service what ever that means.. thanks bert rv6a do not archive. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:29 PM PST US From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Mike, Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info as I can. 1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression seems normal on all cylinders when pulling prop through. 2. Don't have EGT gauge. 3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. 4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after the problem develops, it is hard to start and runs rough at all power settings including idle. This past weekend after once around the patch, the engine starting showing the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 msl and repeated running at full power, pulling back to idle, and then re-applying power at different mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The engine consistently lost power completely (to the point of almost dying) and then gradually came back to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat and seemed to be worse with the leaner settings, but still did the same thing at full rich although to a lesser degree. I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, although I did not find any of them dirty or fouled. I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake tube clamps for tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for cleanliness. If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me know. I have got to get this problem corrected. Thanks again, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone up? Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give us more to go on. Mike Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 > years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have > been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull > power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced > the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the > problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Jimmy Ayres > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have > been > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or > so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying > when I > pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have > replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned > spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so > what > was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jimmy Ayres > > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:55 PM PST US From: Dave Johnson Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Johnson Very difficult to diagnose trouble like this without at least an EGT gauge. It sounds an awful lot like an induction leak to me on one or more cylinders, especially given the list of things you've already done. A multi-point EGT gauge would pinpoint this in a heartbeat with increased EGT and CHTs on the affected cylinder(s). You can sometimes pinpoint an induction leak with soapy water and a shop vac blowing filtered air into the induction system to pressurize it. Just spray the intake runners, intake ports, and any other connection points with soapy water solution and look for bubbles Dave AYRES, JIMMY L wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > >Mike, > >Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info as I can. >1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression seems normal on all >cylinders when pulling prop through. >2. Don't have EGT gauge. >3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. >4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after the problem develops, it >is hard to start and runs rough at all power settings including idle. > >This past weekend after once around the patch, the engine starting showing >the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 msl and repeated running >at full power, pulling back to idle, and then re-applying power at different >mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The engine consistently lost >power completely (to the point of almost dying) and then gradually came back >to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat and seemed to be worse >with the leaner settings, but still did the same thing at full rich although >to a lesser degree. > >I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, although I did not find any >of them dirty or fouled. > >I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake tube clamps for >tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for cleanliness. > >If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me know. I have got to >get this problem corrected. > >Thanks again, Jimmy > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems > >--> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" > >Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all >the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone up? >Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give us > >more to go on. > >Mike Harris >----- Original Message ----- >From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" >> >>Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >>I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 >>years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have >>been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull >>power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced >>the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark >>plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >>8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >>this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >>seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >>Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the >>problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >>Jimmy Ayres >> >>RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have >> >> > > > >>been >>flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or >>so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying >>when I >>pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have >>replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned >>spark >>plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >>8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >>this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >>seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so >>what >>was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Jimmy Ayres >> >> >> >> >> >>RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:31 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Jimmy, This statement: "seemed to be worse with the leaner settings" would support the possibility of an intake leak. However you did suggest you checked the intake clamps, you might want to look a little deeper in that direction. Tim -------Original Message------- From: AYRES, JIMMY L Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Mike, Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info as I can. 1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression seems normal on all cylinders when pulling prop through. 2. Don't have EGT gauge. 3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. 4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after the problem develops, it is hard to start and runs rough at all power settings including idle. This past weekend after once around the patch, the engine starting showing the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 msl and repeated running at full power, pulling back to idle, and then re-applying power at different mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The engine consistently lost power completely (to the point of almost dying) and then gradually came back to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat and seemed to be worse with the leaner settings, but still did the same thing at full rich although to a lesser degree. I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, although I did not find any of them dirty or fouled. I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake tube clamps for tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for cleanliness. If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me know. I have got to get this problem corrected. Thanks again, Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone up? Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give us more to go on. Mike Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 > years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have > been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull > power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced > the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the > problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Jimmy Ayres > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > font-family:Arial'>Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have > been > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or > so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying > when I > pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have > replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned > spark > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure > this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so > what > was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance. > > > font-family:Arial'> > > > font-family:Arial'>Jimmy Ayres > > > font-family:Arial'>RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:40 PM PST US From: "Tony Marshall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" Green Bay is an easy commute from OSH, and you can probably still get a room there. Honestly, having been to OSH 3 times now, twice tenting on-site, and this past year in Green Bay, the Green Bay experience was by far the best. We found it nice to get away from OSH in the evenings. The GB airport was very nice, and FAR less congested than OSH. There was a shuttle from our hotel in GB, although we chose to rent a car. Have fun. tony marshall rv6 polson, mt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, > every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. > Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know > if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were > also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance > in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to > rent a car) > > - Matt > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:21 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" Disconnect the fuel line from the carb, put it in an accurate gallon measuring jug, turn the aux fuel pump on for exactly one minute, measure the output, and multiply by 60 to get your gph. You should have at LEAST 25 gph. This will ensure that you're getting enough fuel, good idea to eliminate that variable too. Randy Lervold rv-3.com EAA Technical Counselor ----- Original Message ----- From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > Mike, > > Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info as I can. > 1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression seems normal on all > cylinders when pulling prop through. > 2. Don't have EGT gauge. > 3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. > 4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after the problem develops, > it > is hard to start and runs rough at all power settings including idle. > > This past weekend after once around the patch, the engine starting showing > the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 msl and repeated > running > at full power, pulling back to idle, and then re-applying power at > different > mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The engine consistently lost > power completely (to the point of almost dying) and then gradually came > back > to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat and seemed to be worse > with the leaner settings, but still did the same thing at full rich > although > to a lesser degree. > > I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, although I did not find > any > of them dirty or fouled. > > I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake tube clamps for > tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for cleanliness. > > If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me know. I have got to > get this problem corrected. > > Thanks again, Jimmy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems > > --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" > > Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all > the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone > up? > Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give > us > > more to go on. > > Mike Harris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" >> >> Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >> I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 >> years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have >> been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull >> power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced >> the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark >> plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >> 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >> this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >> seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >> Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the >> problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Jimmy Ayres >> >> RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I >> have > >> been >> flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or >> so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying >> when I >> pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have >> replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned >> spark >> plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >> 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >> this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >> seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so >> what >> was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jimmy Ayres >> >> >> >> >> >> RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:42 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 01/09/2006 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time, matt@n559rv.com writes: Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? >>> Howdy Matt- IMHO, there is ONLY one way to "do" Oshkosh- stay right there! Depending on your perspective, naturally, camping in Camp Scholler is almost as good as the best 5-star hotel, (did it 7 times until plane was flyable) and last two years camping with the plane. No hassles with rental car, parking, reservations, etc. and the best of all you are right there the whole time. If you have some basic gear (tent, bag, mosquito repellant, shade, bike, adult beverage) you are good to go. "Food" is right at the field, the Red Barn has anything else you could possibly need (really! well, maybe not female companionship...) and you WILL meet some unforgettable people. If you live close enough to "taxi" to OSH, it's the only way to go. And you'll save a HUGE amount of $$$ better spent on the RV. Picture this: It's about 3:30 and the airshow is starting- hot as hell and you've pounded the grounds since yodel-time and you're starting to get burnt out. Ride your bike (these are essential if you are Camp Schollering) back to your canopy (shade is a requirement) and indulge in adult beverage while taking in the airshow from the comfort of your own lawn chair! After the show, watch mass-departure, then as the sun lowers, mosey down to the flight line to score the arrivals until the field shuts down, then wander the antique area talking to old-timers about the relics they lovingly restored and flew to the show. Priceless. And much cheaper than the motel/rental car/parking/restaurant/etc of the "others"! Contact me off-list for more info... Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN RV-6A N51PW do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:17 PM PST US From: Dave Johnson Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Johnson Jim, One more thing- there is a good reference to a useful trick for finding induction and exhaust system leaks here: http://www.bvila.net/page33.html Ten bucks says it's an induction leak, and that even a good visual inspection and clamp tightening will probably turn up the culprit. Dave AYRES, JIMMY L wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > >Mike, > >Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info as I can. >1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression seems normal on all >cylinders when pulling prop through. >2. Don't have EGT gauge. >3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. >4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after the problem develops, it >is hard to start and runs rough at all power settings including idle. > >This past weekend after once around the patch, the engine starting showing >the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 msl and repeated running >at full power, pulling back to idle, and then re-applying power at different >mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The engine consistently lost >power completely (to the point of almost dying) and then gradually came back >to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat and seemed to be worse >with the leaner settings, but still did the same thing at full rich although >to a lesser degree. > >I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, although I did not find any >of them dirty or fouled. > >I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake tube clamps for >tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for cleanliness. > >If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me know. I have got to >get this problem corrected. > >Thanks again, Jimmy > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems > >--> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" > >Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and timing to eliminate all >the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your exhaust gas temp gone up? >Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle or any other RPM? Give us > >more to go on. > >Mike Harris >----- Original Message ----- >From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" >> >>Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >>I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have been flying for 4 >>years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or so, I have >>been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying when I pull >>power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have replaced >>the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned spark >>plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >>8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >>this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >>seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >>Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so what was the >>problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >>Jimmy Ayres >> >>RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hey fellow RV'ers, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I have >> >> > > > >>been >>flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. Over the past month or >>so, I have been experiencing a problem with my engine losing power/dying >>when I >>pull power back for landing and then try to re-apply power. I have >>replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced the air filter, cleaned >>spark >>plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel pressure stays solid at >>8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits end trying to figure >>this one out. I have played with the mixture and carb heat. Nothing >>seams to correct this recently developed problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if so >>what >>was the problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Jimmy Ayres >> >> >> >> >> >>RV6A flying, building an RV7A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:03 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" Jimmy, Pardon me if I missed any discussion about ignition. How does it behave with one or the other mag (or whatever you have) shut down? Ignition timing, has that been checked? Any chance for moisture anywhere in the high voltage side of things (it can do very strange things)? Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 704 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... From: "Wentz, Don" --> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" Matt, If you're flying in and NOT taking the spouse, absolutely camp on the field. The total experience is great. If your spouse is going, try to find people you know renting a house and get a room with them. That's what we do and the wives love it. Dinner out every night, airport stuff all day. Be sure and use the housing resources on the EAA site, we've had great luck with them (but these guys are right, getting hotel room anywhere close is not likely unless you know someone). Dw RV-6 920hrs Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to rent a car) - Matt ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:54 PM PST US From: "Howard Walrath" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Howard Walrath" University of Wisconsin Oshkosh dorms should be available with bus shuttles. Ripon College (25 miles) is another good alternative (cheaper) but car required. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" I just decided I wanted to go to Oshkosh this year (24th-28th). However, every hotel is booked. Every hotel within 20 miles is also booked. Does anyone have any advice for me? I do not want to rent a car (dont know if I even could since the hotel operators told me those were also booked). Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to go? (and be within shuttle distance so you dont have to rent a car) - Matt ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:19 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. - Matt -----Original Message----- From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > In a message dated 01/09/2006 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time, > matt@n559rv.com writes: > Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to > go? > >>> > > Howdy Matt- > > IMHO, there is ONLY one way to "do" Oshkosh- stay right there! > Depending on > your perspective, naturally, camping in Camp Scholler is almost as good > as the > best 5-star hotel, (did it 7 times until plane was flyable) and last > two > years camping with the plane. No hassles with rental car, parking, > reservations, > etc. and the best of all you are right there the whole time. If you > have some > basic gear (tent, bag, mosquito repellant, shade, bike, adult beverage) > you > are good to go. "Food" is right at the field, the Red Barn has > anything else > you could possibly need (really! well, maybe not female > companionship...) and > you WILL meet some unforgettable people. If you live close enough to > "taxi" to > OSH, it's the only way to go. And you'll save a HUGE amount of $$$ > better > spent on the RV. > > Picture this: It's about 3:30 and the airshow is starting- hot as hell > and > you've pounded the grounds since yodel-time and you're starting to get > burnt > out. Ride your bike (these are essential if you are Camp Schollering) > back to > your canopy (shade is a requirement) and indulge in adult beverage > while taking > in the airshow from the comfort of your own lawn chair! After the > show, > watch mass-departure, then as the sun lowers, mosey down to the flight > line to > score the arrivals until the field shuts down, then wander the antique > area > talking to old-timers about the relics they lovingly restored and flew > to the show. > Priceless. > > And much cheaper than the motel/rental car/parking/restaurant/etc of > the > "others"! > > Contact me off-list for more info... > > Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN RV-6A N51PW > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:08 PM PST US From: Brian Alley Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley Jimmy, Don't assume that the correct fuel pressure means you have the correct fuel flow. Test the flow at the input to the carb. If the flow is correct, you can easily find induction leaks with a can of starting fluid. I remove the cowling, start the engine and let it idle. Spray starting fluid around the connections at the sump and at the heads and listen for an rpm increase. If you have a leak, I guarantee you'll find it!!! Just make sure you stay away from the prop. BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES 101 Caroline Circle Hurricane, WV 25526 304-562-6800 home 304-395-4932 cell How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:53 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Glad I bought my XP0360 from Superior :-) Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-) Dave Nellis wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis > >There are certain 360 engines that will need a new >crankshaft put in. Engines built after 1999 are >affected. > > >--- Evan and Megan Johnson >wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan >>Johnson" >> >>my computer will not open these....can sombody >>please summarize this for me? >>Thanks in advance... >>do not archive >>evan >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Sam Buchanan" >>To: >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Tell me it ain't true >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Rick Galati wrote: >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>RV'ers >>>> >>>>I just received a very distressing "heads up" >>>> >>>> >>from a buddy in the >> >> >>>>FAA. He says it will become an AD very soon. >>>> >>>> >>Can anyone provide any >> >> >>>>additional information concerning this bulletin? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/customer_letter_nov_30.pdf > > >>>More info here: >>> >>> >>> >>> >http://www.lycoming.textron.com/serviceBulletin566/SB566S-1.pdf > > >>>Sam Buchanan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>browse >>Subscriptions page, >>FAQ, >> >>Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:53 PM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu On 01/09 5:55, Matt Johnson wrote: > That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. Each time I fly in commercially I fly into Chicago direct from LAX. Rent a car with at O'hare, get a cheap one. The drive from Chicago to OSH is a nice one. I bring my backpack with clothes for 3-4 days, shorts, socks, shoes, misc and buy what I need at Walmart or the show; t-shirts. I bring a tent in my backpack. Buy a cheapo cooler and a decent folding chair from Walmart and ice and beer and snacks. Take the car each night and have a good meal. Eat lunch and b-fast at the show. Leave/donate the stuff you don't want to take back with you (cooler, chairs). The only real expense is the show and car. If you can meet your buddies in Chicago you can split the car. Works well every time (twice). Also having a car allows you to stash valuables that might get stolen (not by pilots though). This is the year for nuking the commercial stuff for me :) See you there. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying! ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:50 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) Baloney! I have camped at OSH when I flew commercial. Once by myself and once with the whole family (my wife and I and two adult sons). Just get a big duffel bag and fill it with your tent, sleeping bag, collapsible chair and clothes. I even have a collapsible cooler that I bring. Dick Tasker Matt Johnson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > >That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. > >- Matt > -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. -- ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:20 PM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine problems --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis Sound like there is a leak in the intake system. When the carb is closed, the needle goes leaner due to the high vacuum. Add air from a leak, engine goes severely lean. --- "AYRES, JIMMY L" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > > Mike, > > Thanks for your input. I will give you as much info > as I can. > 1. I haven't put a gauge on it, but compression > seems normal on all > cylinders when pulling prop through. > 2. Don't have EGT gauge. > 3. Have not noticed any change in fuel burn. > 4. Does not miss at idle when cold, however, after > the problem develops, it > is hard to start and runs rough at all power > settings including idle. > > This past weekend after once around the patch, the > engine starting showing > the problem again. So I took it up to around 5000 > msl and repeated running > at full power, pulling back to idle, and then > re-applying power at different > mixture settings and with/without carb heat. The > engine consistently lost > power completely (to the point of almost dying) and > then gradually came back > to full power. It really didn't like the carb heat > and seemed to be worse > with the leaner settings, but still did the same > thing at full rich although > to a lesser degree. > > I have pulled the spark plugs and cleaned them, > although I did not find any > of them dirty or fouled. > > I replaced the carb, air filter, checked all intake > tube clamps for > tightness. Checked fuel inlet screen for > cleanliness. > > If you (or anyone) has more questions, please let me > know. I have got to > get this problem corrected. > > Thanks again, Jimmy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of wskimike > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine problems > > --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" > > > Try to find an intake leak. Check compression and > timing to eliminate all > the easy items that would cause trouble. Has your > exhaust gas temp gone up? > Has your fuel burn increased? Does it miss at idle > or any other RPM? Give us > > more to go on. > > Mike Harris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Engine problems > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" > > > > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock O320 A2D engine that I > have been flying for 4 > > years without so much as a stumble. Over the past > month or so, I have > > been experiencing a problem with my engine losing > power/dying when I pull > > power back for landing and then try to re-apply > power. I have replaced > > the carb with a known good one, replaced the air > filter, cleaned spark > > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel > pressure stays solid at > > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits > end trying to figure > > this one out. I have played with the mixture and > carb heat. Nothing > > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > > > > > Has anyone out there ever experienced this? And if > so what was the > > problem/fix? All inputs appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Jimmy Ayres > > > > RV6A flying, building an RV7A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey fellow RV'ers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an RV6A with a stock > O320 A2D engine that I have > > > been > > flying for 4 years without so much as a stumble. > Over the past month or > > so, I have been experiencing a problem with my > engine losing power/dying > > when I > > pull power back for landing and then try to > re-apply power. I have > > replaced the carb with a known good one, replaced > the air filter, cleaned > > spark > > plugs, check hoses and bolts for tightness. Fuel > pressure stays solid at > > 8-10 psi with booster pump running. I am at wits > end trying to figure > > this one out. I have played with the mixture and > carb heat. Nothing > > seams to correct this recently developed problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:59 PM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" Matt: I've got an extra tent and I always get an extra camping spot for the Rv7 Barbecue.You're certainly welcome to occupy it during your stay. I also have a two bedroom tent and I doubt I'll have anyone going with me this year. Bob Collins St. Paul, MN. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works. But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!! It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation. All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing the all of the Lists. You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register" to get you started. I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle"). This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an "avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120. You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both. Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed* to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation. I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription page. I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions. Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing back to the BBS. And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email List BBS is: http://forums.matronics.com Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:13 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Matt Johnson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > >That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. > >- Matt > If I can bring a tent, 2 bags, clothes for me *and* my wife for a week (complete with wife) and a soft-side cooler AND munchies in an RV-4, without going over gross, you can fly commercially with camping gear without paying any excess baggage penalties. :-) ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:40 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" How about flying into Ohare or Milwaukee and renting an RV, the non flying kind. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would > not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. > > - Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fiveonepw@aol.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:13:18 EST > Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message > from valid l... > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com >> >> In a message dated 01/09/2006 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time, >> matt@n559rv.com writes: >> Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to >> go? >> >>> >> >> Howdy Matt- >> >> IMHO, there is ONLY one way to "do" Oshkosh- stay right there! >> Depending on >> your perspective, naturally, camping in Camp Scholler is almost as good >> as the >> best 5-star hotel, (did it 7 times until plane was flyable) and last >> two >> years camping with the plane. No hassles with rental car, parking, >> reservations, >> etc. and the best of all you are right there the whole time. If you >> have some >> basic gear (tent, bag, mosquito repellant, shade, bike, adult beverage) >> you >> are good to go. "Food" is right at the field, the Red Barn has >> anything else >> you could possibly need (really! well, maybe not female >> companionship...) and >> you WILL meet some unforgettable people. If you live close enough to >> "taxi" to >> OSH, it's the only way to go. And you'll save a HUGE amount of $$$ >> better >> spent on the RV. >> >> Picture this: It's about 3:30 and the airshow is starting- hot as hell >> and >> you've pounded the grounds since yodel-time and you're starting to get >> burnt >> out. Ride your bike (these are essential if you are Camp Schollering) >> back to >> your canopy (shade is a requirement) and indulge in adult beverage >> while taking >> in the airshow from the comfort of your own lawn chair! After the >> show, >> watch mass-departure, then as the sun lowers, mosey down to the flight >> line to >> score the arrivals until the field shuts down, then wander the antique >> area >> talking to old-timers about the relics they lovingly restored and flew >> to the show. >> Priceless. >> >> And much cheaper than the motel/rental car/parking/restaurant/etc of >> the >> "others"! >> >> Contact me off-list for more info... >> >> Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN RV-6A N51PW >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:09 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) I've done that too, but it is rather expensive since you have to rent for a minimum of one week. No more so than a hotel room and a car, but you can rent those for less than one week. Dick Tasker Jeff Dowling wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >How about flying into Ohare or Milwaukee and renting an RV, the non flying >kind. > >do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Johnson" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message >from valid l... (not processed: message from valid local sender) > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" >> >>That would be nice but I have to fly commercially to get there so I would >>not be able to bring camping gear. I live in Central California. >> >>- Matt >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Fiveonepw@aol.com >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:13:18 EST >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Housing Question... (not processed: message >>from valid l... >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com >>> >>>In a message dated 01/09/2006 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time, >>>matt@n559rv.com writes: >>>Do you really have to plan for this over a year in advance in order to >>>go? >>> >>> >>>Howdy Matt- >>> >>>IMHO, there is ONLY one way to "do" Oshkosh- stay right there! >>>Depending on >>>your perspective, naturally, camping in Camp Scholler is almost as good >>>as the >>>best 5-star hotel, (did it 7 times until plane was flyable) and last >>>two >>>years camping with the plane. No hassles with rental car, parking, >>>reservations, >>>etc. and the best of all you are right there the whole time. If you >>>have some >>>basic gear (tent, bag, mosquito repellant, shade, bike, adult beverage) >>>you >>>are good to go. "Food" is right at the field, the Red Barn has >>>anything else >>>you could possibly need (really! well, maybe not female >>>companionship...) and >>>you WILL meet some unforgettable people. If you live close enough to >>>"taxi" to >>>OSH, it's the only way to go. And you'll save a HUGE amount of $$$ >>>better >>>spent on the RV. >>> >>>Picture this: It's about 3:30 and the airshow is starting- hot as hell >>>and >>>you've pounded the grounds since yodel-time and you're starting to get >>>burnt >>>out. Ride your bike (these are essential if you are Camp Schollering) >>>back to >>>your canopy (shade is a requirement) and indulge in adult beverage >>>while taking >>>in the airshow from the comfort of your own lawn chair! After the >>>show, >>>watch mass-departure, then as the sun lowers, mosey down to the flight >>>line to >>>score the arrivals until the field shuts down, then wander the antique >>>area >>>talking to old-timers about the relics they lovingly restored and flew >>>to the show. >>> Priceless. >>> >>>And much cheaper than the motel/rental car/parking/restaurant/etc of >>>the >>>"others"! >>> >>>Contact me off-list for more info... >>> >>>Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN RV-6A N51PW >>>do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. --