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1. 04:36 AM - Re: deburring inside of ribs (Rick Galati)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Artifical Horizon (Jamie Painter)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: deburring inside of ribs (Folbrecht, Paul)
4. 08:21 AM - RV-4 empennage and tools for sale (Tom Barnes)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: Artifical Horizon (REHughes)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: deburring inside of ribs (Dan Beadle)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: Artifical Horizon (Jamie Painter)
8. 10:52 AM - Re: Glueing canopies (JAMES BOWEN)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: Alt. High pressure elect. fuel pump (Mike Robertson)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: Glueing canopies (JAMES BOWEN)
11. 11:52 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon (Ed Holyoke)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: Glueing canopies (Mickey Coggins)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Newbie fluting question (Charlie England)
14. 12:48 PM - Electonic ignition options (Al Grajek)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: Artificial Horizon (Steve Glasgow)
16. 12:51 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Jerry Grimmonpre)
17. 12:52 PM - [Fw: FS: Strong parachute] (Ken Balch)
18. 01:37 PM - Re: Electonic ignition options (Rhonda Bewley)
19. 02:42 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Paul Trotter)
20. 02:47 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
21. 03:09 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Kelly McMullen)
22. 03:19 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Robert Enos II)
23. 03:27 PM - Re: Artifical Horizon (REHughes)
24. 03:29 PM - Re: Alt. High pressure elect. fuel pump (Chuck Jensen)
25. 03:36 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Rob Prior (rv7))
26. 05:20 PM - Dumb things I have done (lyle)
27. 06:21 PM - CenTex RV's (Darrell Reiley)
28. 06:34 PM - Re: Glueing canopies (Kelly McMullen)
29. 06:42 PM - Dumb things I have done (Konrad L. Werner)
30. 07:11 PM - Re: Dumb things I have done (Larry Bowles)
31. 07:55 PM - Avionics Stack for Sale (RobHickman@aol.com)
32. 09:39 PM - Re: Dumb things I have done (Bill Schlatterer)
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| Subject: | Re: deburring inside of ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
There are any number of accessories for use in your Dremel tool or my favorite,
a pneumatic pencil grinder such as ball files or stones that will reach those
problem areas and deburr structural parts just fine.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest wrote:
> What tool do I want for deburring the inside of rib flange holes? The avery
swivel doesn't do it.
>
> Maybe I could stick the head in the end of the 90-degree drill kit... hmmm.
>
> ~Paul
> ~9A QB #1176 Setting 1st rivets on h. stab tomorrow maybe...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5217#5217
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| Subject: | Re: Artifical Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
Just to nit-pick here. The ADI does display bank angle...it is not a
turn coordinator. Also, it does display pitch data...but only
instantaneously. After pitch is stabilized it displays vertical speed.
The merts of this can be debated but I just wanted to make that clear.
You can read a post by Trutrak on the ADI's functionality here (sorry,
you'll need to put this link back together):
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=168489199?KEYS=trutrak_adi?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=20?SERIAL=0604486227?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
Here's an excerpt:
--
*The roll portion is driven similarly to the pictorial Turn & Bank. The only
difference being that it shows bank angle instead of turn rate. The
advantage of this is that the instrument uses only instantaneous data. The
display cannot drift in shallow turns, and accumulate error as is possible
with conventional AHRS systems. It shows bank angles of up to +/- 45
degrees. If the bank angle exceeds +/- 30 degrees, flashing red arrows
point in the direction that the stick needs to be moved to level the
aircraft. This was done, because in IMC the objective to stay level or in
shallow banks.*
**--
do not archive
Jamie D. Painter
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | deburring inside of ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Creative! Thanks for all the replies on this - I need to learn to think
a bit more 'out of the box' on this stuff.
I did end up doing those holes with a dremel bit held in my fingers.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D.
Cencula
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: deburring inside of ribs
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Cencula"
<matronics@cencula.com>
Well, today I was facing the same problem deburring the holes in the
rudder
ribs near the trailing edge. The flanges get really close on the last
few
holes. I ended up making this doohickey out of a nail. You stick the
shank
through the hole from the inside of the flange, then grab on the shank
with
your cordless drill. A couple rotations of the drill (in slow speed)
and
you've got a nicely deburred hole. Took me about 5 or 10 minutes to
make the
thing and it can debur any hole where there's at least 5/16" between
flanges.
http://www.cencula.com/nail_deburring_tool.jpg
Have fun,
Mike
On Tuesday January 17 2006 11:18 pm, Folbrecht, Paul wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> What tool do I want for deburring the inside of rib flange holes? The
> avery swivel doesn't do it.
>
> Maybe I could stick the head in the end of the 90-degree drill kit...
hmmm.
>
> ~Paul
> ~9A QB #1176 Setting 1st rivets on h. stab tomorrow maybe...
>
<snip>
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Cc: "Elaine Knoedler" <Elaine_Knoedler@sbcglobal.net>
| Subject: | RV-4 empennage and tools for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net>
Subject: RV-4 Empennage Kit and Tools for Sale
I am posting this for the wife of a friend who died of cancer. For information
about these items, you may contact Elaine directly at e-mail Elaine_knoedler@sbcglobal.net
Located in Cary, IL near (3CK) Lake-in-the Hills airport.
RV-4 empennage kit purchsed in May 04 and untouched except for assembling the horizontal
stabolizer spar and ribs. All of the skins are untouched and are still
wrapped in blue protective covering.
Price if purchased from Van's is $1,140 plus freight. Includes organizer trays
for hardware. Asking $900 FOB Cary, IL. A very nicely constructed jig is included
if you pick it up in Cary.
Also available for sale are the following (now) used items purchased NEW for this
project:
Craftsman upright air compressor. 5 hp with regulator, and hose. Retail $520
value; Asking $466.
Ryobi 5" bench grinder. Retail $39. Asking $30.
Craftsman Drill Press and stand. Retail $279. Asking $134.
Menard Belt & disk Sander. Retail $149. Asking $100.
4x8 builder constructed work bench. Asking $100.
Portable bench on wheels. Asking $38.
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| Subject: | Re: Artifical Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
Jamie,
There are some simple ways to check the TruTrak ADI functionality. If
anyone has a unit on their bench, please power it up and then lay it on its
side and see what happens in this simulation of knife-edge flight. I would
guess that it might show a transient roll input, then go back to the 'zero
bank angle' state. Now hold it up and turn it face down toward the floor,
simulating the top of a hammerhead. Again, I presume it will show a 'zero
pitch, zero roll' display status, the same as level flight.
If someone has a unit flying, please describe the behavior in a
steady-heading maximum sideslip. Most types of RVs have enough rudder to
maintain a constant heading with a roll angle of at least 15 to 20 degrees .
Under those conditions, I betcha that the TT ADI will display a 'roll angle'
of zero.
As far as 'pitch' goes, those little lines masquerading as a pitch ladder in
the center of the display bear no relationship to any pitch angle. The
first one is 500 fpm VSI and the second is 1000 fpm, up and down.
I have read Mr. Barker's notes that you refer to in your link below at least
20 times, and I find I cannot even understand the terms used, let alone
follow the description of the functional capabilities of the unit.
I would love to see some detailed data from someone who is currently using
the unit, but as far as I can tell, no matter how hard you look, there is no
attitude information inside that box.
Hawkeye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jamie@jpainter.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Artifical Horizon
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
>
> Just to nit-pick here. The ADI does display bank angle...it is not a
> turn coordinator. Also, it does display pitch data...but only
> instantaneously. After pitch is stabilized it displays vertical speed.
> The merts of this can be debated but I just wanted to make that clear.
>
> You can read a post by Trutrak on the ADI's functionality here (sorry,
> you'll need to put this link back together):
> http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=168489199?KEYS=trutrak_adi?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=20?SERIAL=0604486227?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>
> Here's an excerpt:
>
> --
>
> *The roll portion is driven similarly to the pictorial Turn & Bank. The
> only
> difference being that it shows bank angle instead of turn rate. The
> advantage of this is that the instrument uses only instantaneous data.
> The
> display cannot drift in shallow turns, and accumulate error as is possible
> with conventional AHRS systems. It shows bank angles of up to +/- 45
> degrees. If the bank angle exceeds +/- 30 degrees, flashing red arrows
> point in the direction that the stick needs to be moved to level the
> aircraft. This was done, because in IMC the objective to stay level or in
> shallow banks.*
>
> **--
>
> do not archive
>
> Jamie D. Painter
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | deburring inside of ribs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
I use the swivel debur on the lightening holes and wiring holes. On
smaller ones, I use sandpaper or scotch brite. The key is to knock off
any rough spots that might start stress cracks.
Van's guidance is if you aren't likely to cut your finger on the edge,
it is good enough. I go further than that.
HS is relatively thin material in most places so knocking off the edges
is pretty easy.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: deburring inside of ribs
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
What tool do I want for deburring the inside of rib flange holes? The
avery swivel doesn't do it.
Maybe I could stick the head in the end of the 90-degree drill kit...
hmmm.
~Paul
~9A QB #1176 Setting 1st rivets on h. stab tomorrow maybe...
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| Subject: | Re: Artifical Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
I agree Hawkeye, sitting the unit on the bench would be a good, simple
test. I do suspect though that the instrument will indicate bank
angle...we'll see. Hopefully someone can test it and let the list know.
I've tumbled gyros in spam cans doing stalls so I'm not sure that
peoples' assertions that the ADI is unsafe in extreme attitudes is
necessarily a disadvantage of the instrument over mechanical gyros.
That's why traditional AH gyros having caging knobs, useful only in
straight and level flight. If they're so accurate, why do they need
that little knob? Isn't this one of the reasons why we're taught to
recover from spins by looking at the TC?
When recovering from unusual attitudes you look at what first? The
airspeed to see if it's increasing or decreasing (to indicate descent or
climb) and then the AH to determine corrective action necessary to level
the wings. So in recovering from an unusual attitude, there is really
not much difference at all between the ADI and a mechanical gyro
(assuming of course the ADI really indicates bank).
That being said, I do wish Trutrak would release a solid-state electric
attitude indicator. I think they would sell the hell out of it and I
would be one of their first customers.
do not archive
Jamie D. Painter
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one bead of
Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to run
another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way you
suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying come
back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the hose type
spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks again.
Jim Bowen
RV-8 QB
>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>
>
>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>the results look great !
>
>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>
>g
>
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> >
> > Here is a link to my experiences:
> >
> > http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
> >
> > There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
> >
> > Mickey
> >
> > > Has anyone documented any part of the glue approach on their
> > > website ... would love to get a sense of your experiences,
> > > pitfalls, pros and cons ...
> >
>
>--
>__g__
>
>==========================================================
>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
> Tel: 415 203 9177
>
>
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| Subject: | Alt. High pressure elect. fuel pump |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Actually, The Airflow pump that Van's sells is the cheapest alternative I've
found. The other "certified" pumps run almost double the cost of the
Airflow Performance.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Alt. High pressure elect. fuel pump
>Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:26:08 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I searched the archieves, but could not find an cheaper alternative the
>airflow perf. pump Vans sells for the fuel injected engines. Anyone know
>of a viable alternative to this.
>
>Thanks,
>Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
Hi. They offer Sika 295 in black or white. At least that's what I believe I
read off the Jamestown websight.
Jim Bowen
>From: Dale Ellis <rv8builder@earthlink.net>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:34:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dale Ellis <rv8builder@earthlink.net>
>
>It is my understanding that the white material is a caulking material and
>does not have adhesive qualities. I would check with vendor and/or
>manufacturer to be sure.
>
>Dale
>Building a RV-8 in SC
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: JAMES BOWEN <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
> >Sent: Jan 18, 2006 1:47 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Hello Sikaflex users. Did you purchase the black or white sika 295 uv?
>Does
> >it make a difference? Thanks,
> >
> >Jim Bowen
> >
> >
> >>From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
> >>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
> >>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:18:18 -0800
> >>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
> >>
> >>On 5:29:13 2006-01-17 Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >> > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
> >> > Can you list the exact products to use for gluing the canopies?
> >>
> >> >From an email to this list, in November of 2004 (the Matronics search
> >>engine is your friend):
> >>
> >>---
> >>Hi Mickey,
> >>
> >>I purchased the Sikaflex 295UV adhesive, the Sika 226 cleaner, and the
>Sika
> >>209 primer from Jamestown Distributors.
> >>Their phone number is 800 423-0030 (also 401 253-3840) . They are a
>boat
> >>builder supply store located in Rhode Island.
> >>
> >>I have had good service from them, and they sell this stuff in less than
> >>case
> >>lots. They also take credit card orders
> >>over the phone.
> >>
> >>They also have a web page www.jamestowndistributors.com
> >>
> >>Because some of these items are flammable they have to be shipped by
>ground
> >>so it could take a while to receive depending
> >>upon where you live.
> >>
> >>If you get some let me know what you think about it.
> >>
> >>Jim Ellis
> >>finishing canopy
> >>RV9-A tip up
> >>---
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
I did handle the ADI on the bench at Sun'N'Fun. I didn't try a
hammerhead with it, but it did seem to track bank angle as well as any
gyro I've done the same with, regardless of pitch attitude. It did give
me weird indications in pitch and they told me it would because there
was no change in altitude to work with. It initially showed the pitch up
and then returned to level.
They said that is very flyable. Their reasoning, as I understand it, is
that the actual pitch attitude of the aircraft is less important to your
moment to moment control inputs than having an indication of what the
trend is. In other words, if you wish to climb, descend or fly level,
the instrument gives you a clear indication of the effect of your
control inputs on the flight path. If you were to get behind the power
curve, the display might not be so intuitive. They have a flashing
airspeed warning for that condition. I don't know how easy it would be
to figure out what to do if the nose was up and the vertical speed began
to go negative using only the ADI for reference. Definitely not
something I would want to try for the first time in the clouds. Your
other instruments, notably the airspeed indicator and altimeter, would
tell the story.
I asked them what would happen if you got inverted in the clouds. Their
reply was that you'd be in a world of hurt no matter what kind of
attitude indicator you were using, but they felt that the with ADI it
would be at least as easy to prevent such a condition from occurring as
with an AH.
I was impressed with the instrument at the airshow. I would love to hear
from someone who's flying it.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Artifical Horizon
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
I agree Hawkeye, sitting the unit on the bench would be a good, simple
test. I do suspect though that the instrument will indicate bank
angle...we'll see. Hopefully someone can test it and let the list know.
I've tumbled gyros in spam cans doing stalls so I'm not sure that
peoples' assertions that the ADI is unsafe in extreme attitudes is
necessarily a disadvantage of the instrument over mechanical gyros.
That's why traditional AH gyros having caging knobs, useful only in
straight and level flight. If they're so accurate, why do they need
that little knob? Isn't this one of the reasons why we're taught to
recover from spins by looking at the TC?
When recovering from unusual attitudes you look at what first? The
airspeed to see if it's increasing or decreasing (to indicate descent or
climb) and then the AH to determine corrective action necessary to level
the wings. So in recovering from an unusual attitude, there is really
not much difference at all between the ADI and a mechanical gyro
(assuming of course the ADI really indicates bank).
That being said, I do wish Trutrak would release a solid-state electric
attitude indicator. I think they would sell the hell out of it and I
would be one of their first customers.
Jamie D. Painter
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Jim,
I did run the one bead from the top, but if I were to do it
again, I would only run one from the bottom, none on the top.
Of course, it is possible it would not look "cool" with only
the bead on the bottom, and then I would have to run a
cosmetic bead from the top. Not sure. In any case,
my bead on the top is about 2x the size it needs to be.
You've got it exactly right on the tack beads. Tack, let set,
remove the hose spacers, and then run the full bead.
That is how I will do it on my next RV, unless I hear
from one of you guys that comes up with a better way!
Best regards,
Mickey
JAMES BOWEN wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
>
> Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one bead of
> Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to run
> another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way you
> suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying come
> back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the hose type
> spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks again.
>
> Jim Bowen
> RV-8 QB
>
>
>
>
>>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>
>>
>>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>>the results look great !
>>
>>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>>
>>g
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>
>>>Here is a link to my experiences:
>>>
>>> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
>>>
>>>There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
>>>
>>>Mickey
>>>
>>>
>>>>Has anyone documented any part of the glue approach on their
>>>>website ... would love to get a sense of your experiences,
>>>>pitfalls, pros and cons ...
>>>
>>--
>>__g__
>>
>>==========================================================
>>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
>> Tel: 415 203 9177
>>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie fluting question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Albert Gardner wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
>At the same time, bend as necessary to make the rib edges perpendicular to
>the web so the skin lays flat. Also after fluting and straightening run the
>tip of the nose rib against a disk sander to make sure the curve is smooth.
>Any bumps or irregularities may cause a bump in the skin. If the rib isn't
>flat against the skin, riveting may cause a depression where the skin is
>pulled down to the rib. You have to flute before you can assemble and match
>drill otherwise the rib holes won't match the skin holes.
>
>My sequence is:
>1. Dress all edges against the scotchbright wheel.
>2. Flute the rib as necessary to make it lay flat (this will put all rivet
>hole is a line).
>3. Bend the edges if necessary so they are perpendicular to the web.
>4. Assemble, match drill.
>5. Deburr and dimple.
>
>Albert Gardner
>Yuma, AZ
>
for newbes: if you're working on the tail (or the fuselage), not all rib
flanges are 90 degrees to the web.
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| Subject: | Electonic ignition options |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Listers:
At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad for
each?
Thanks
Al Grajek
RV8
engine re-build
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks to all who replied to my orriginal post. Your input has been very helpfull.
At present I'm leaning toward the ADI by Trutrack.
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5304#5304
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Nice log and photos on your site Mickey.
To those who have worked with both ProSeal and Silka what are the property
differences after curing? Is one tougher than the other, more rubbery, more
aggressive tackiness from one or the other? Do you think ProSeal would
glue the canopy well enough to take the place of Silka? How about UV rays
on ProSeal ... does ProSeal have good weathering characteristics? Could
ProSeal be the filler of choice on the rail bottom after tacking with a
small amount of Silka? Does ProSeal flow better than Silka at the same
temperatures. A lot of questions from one who didn't seal his own tanks.
Thanks for your answers,
Regards...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I did run the one bead from the top, but if I were to do it
> again, I would only run one from the bottom, none on the top.
> Of course, it is possible it would not look "cool" with only
> the bead on the bottom, and then I would have to run a
> cosmetic bead from the top. Not sure. In any case,
> my bead on the top is about 2x the size it needs to be.
>
> You've got it exactly right on the tack beads. Tack, let set,
> remove the hose spacers, and then run the full bead.
> That is how I will do it on my next RV, unless I hear
> from one of you guys that comes up with a better way!
>
> Best regards,
> Mickey
>
>
> JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one bead
>> of
>> Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to run
>> another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way you
>> suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying come
>> back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the hose
>> type
>> spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks
>> again.
>>
>> Jim Bowen
>> RV-8 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>>>the results look great !
>>>
>>>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>>>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>>>
>>>g
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>>
>>>>Here is a link to my experiences:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
>>>>
>>>>There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
>>>>
>>>>Mickey
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| Subject: | [Fwd: FS: Strong parachute] |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
SOLD!!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FS: Strong parachute
From: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
For Sale: Strong Para-Cushion Seat 304 emergency parachute. This chute
was used for the flight testing of two RVs (never jumped), and is in
perfect condition. It fits great in the front seats of the RV-8 and the
RV-4. It's navy blue with gray trim and comes with its original Strong
carry bag.
I have no use for it at the moment and would like to see it go to a good
home. The price for a new one is $1545. The first offer of $1300 will
take mine and I'll pay for shipping in the lower 48.
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB (sold, and sorely missed...)
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| Subject: | Electonic ignition options |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Check out the December '05 Issue of Sport Aviation for an interesting
discussion on electronic ignition.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Grajek
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:48 PM
rv8list@yahoogroups.com; vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV-List: Electonic ignition options
--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
Listers:
At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad
for
each?
Thanks
Al Grajek
RV8
engine re-build
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Jerry,
I don't think you would want to use ProSeal to attach the canopy. ProSeal
is primarily a sealant, not an adhesive. Although it is quite tenacious, it
is not designed to adhere to plastics or acrylics like the Sikaflex 295 is.
This is too critical and area to use something that is not specifically
designed for that application.
Paul Trotter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>
> Nice log and photos on your site Mickey.
> To those who have worked with both ProSeal and Silka what are the property
> differences after curing? Is one tougher than the other, more rubbery,
> more
> aggressive tackiness from one or the other? Do you think ProSeal would
> glue the canopy well enough to take the place of Silka? How about UV rays
> on ProSeal ... does ProSeal have good weathering characteristics? Could
> ProSeal be the filler of choice on the rail bottom after tacking with a
> small amount of Silka? Does ProSeal flow better than Silka at the same
> temperatures. A lot of questions from one who didn't seal his own tanks.
> Thanks for your answers,
> Regards...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I did run the one bead from the top, but if I were to do it
>> again, I would only run one from the bottom, none on the top.
>> Of course, it is possible it would not look "cool" with only
>> the bead on the bottom, and then I would have to run a
>> cosmetic bead from the top. Not sure. In any case,
>> my bead on the top is about 2x the size it needs to be.
>>
>> You've got it exactly right on the tack beads. Tack, let set,
>> remove the hose spacers, and then run the full bead.
>> That is how I will do it on my next RV, unless I hear
>> from one of you guys that comes up with a better way!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mickey
>>
>>
>> JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one
>>> bead
>>> of
>>> Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to run
>>> another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way you
>>> suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying come
>>> back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the hose
>>> type
>>> spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Jim Bowen
>>> RV-8 QB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>>>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>>>>the results look great !
>>>>
>>>>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>>>>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>>>>
>>>>g
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a link to my experiences:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
>>>>>
>>>>>There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mickey
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 01/19/2006 2:53:13 PM Central Standard Time, jerry@mc.net
writes:
Do you think ProSeal would
glue the canopy well enough to take the place of Silka?
>>>>>
I used ProSeal to glue the canopy & rear window on my -6A. I also used #4
screws/locknuts along the bottom and rear edges with backup strips but across the
canopy bow and rollbar (tip-up) the ProSeal was all I used with the exception
of two #8 screws at the very top of the canopy bow to hold the relationship
between the plexi and bow as the stuff cured. Result- as soon as it got really
hot the first summer, the plexi pulled away in a couple of places on the
rollbar only- not on the canopy bow (bond between ProSeal and plexi let go)- the
ProSeal bonded better to the painted rollbar than to the plexi, but I didn't
scuff the plexi either- just cleaned it well with naptha and assembled. My
theory is that the canopy bow, being thinner and less rigid than the rollbar, has
a more consistent rate of expansion/contraction with the plexi, or is at least
more resilient and can bend more easily with the plexi than the rollbar can.
It was fairly easy to work with, but I should have added some blackening
agent to it since it cures to a brownish color which is visible through the plexi.
I have since added dark grey trim tape over the joints. The black Sikkaflex
may be a better alternative, but no first-hand experience with it...
Here is a foto that kind of shows the appearance before adding the tape- if
you click on the foto for a larger view, you can barely see some of the
separation on the right side of the picture- the worst separation is a bit lower.
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5419
Mark Phillips - N51PW - 275 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
As I had posted before, ProSeal is the specified sealant for Mooneys
windows, and has been for probably 25 years, after the early 201s had some
corrosion problems from side window leakage.
Paul Trotter said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I don't think you would want to use ProSeal to attach the canopy. ProSeal
> is primarily a sealant, not an adhesive. Although it is quite tenacious,
> it
> is not designed to adhere to plastics or acrylics like the Sikaflex 295
> is.
> This is too critical and area to use something that is not specifically
> designed for that application.
>
> Paul Trotter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>
>>
>> Nice log and photos on your site Mickey.
>> To those who have worked with both ProSeal and Silka what are the
>> property
>> differences after curing? Is one tougher than the other, more rubbery,
>> more
>> aggressive tackiness from one or the other? Do you think ProSeal would
>> glue the canopy well enough to take the place of Silka? How about UV
>> rays
>> on ProSeal ... does ProSeal have good weathering characteristics? Could
>> ProSeal be the filler of choice on the rail bottom after tacking with a
>> small amount of Silka? Does ProSeal flow better than Silka at the same
>> temperatures. A lot of questions from one who didn't seal his own
>> tanks.
>> Thanks for your answers,
>> Regards...
>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>> RV8A
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> I did run the one bead from the top, but if I were to do it
>>> again, I would only run one from the bottom, none on the top.
>>> Of course, it is possible it would not look "cool" with only
>>> the bead on the bottom, and then I would have to run a
>>> cosmetic bead from the top. Not sure. In any case,
>>> my bead on the top is about 2x the size it needs to be.
>>>
>>> You've got it exactly right on the tack beads. Tack, let set,
>>> remove the hose spacers, and then run the full bead.
>>> That is how I will do it on my next RV, unless I hear
>>> from one of you guys that comes up with a better way!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mickey
>>>
>>>
>>> JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one
>>>> bead
>>>> of
>>>> Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to
>>>> run
>>>> another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way
>>>> you
>>>> suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying
>>>> come
>>>> back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the
>>>> hose
>>>> type
>>>> spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Bowen
>>>> RV-8 QB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>>>>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>>>>>the results look great !
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>>>>>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>>>>>
>>>>>g
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here is a link to my experiences:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mickey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Enos II" <rje2@charter.net>
Great thread. Does anyone know if this has been attempted with a RV7 tip
up?
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I did run the one bead from the top, but if I were to do it
> again, I would only run one from the bottom, none on the top.
> Of course, it is possible it would not look "cool" with only
> the bead on the bottom, and then I would have to run a
> cosmetic bead from the top. Not sure. In any case,
> my bead on the top is about 2x the size it needs to be.
>
> You've got it exactly right on the tack beads. Tack, let set,
> remove the hose spacers, and then run the full bead.
> That is how I will do it on my next RV, unless I hear
> from one of you guys that comes up with a better way!
>
> Best regards,
> Mickey
>
>
> JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Yes thank you Mickey, well done. Questions, did you just run the one bead
>> of
>> Sika from the top of the frame as shown? You don't feel you need to run
>> another from the bottom side of the frame? Also if you do it the way you
>> suggest, many small tack type applications first, then after drying come
>> back and lay up the full bead. Is that the time you would pull the hose
>> type
>> spacers, after tacking and before full bead application? Many thanks
>> again.
>>
>> Jim Bowen
>> RV-8 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Glueing canopies
>>>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:18 -0800
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>Many thanks Mickey - this looks like a very doable process and
>>>the results look great !
>>>
>>>I'm building a 9 - any thoughts on wether the larger dimensions
>>>of my canopy might present additional problems ?
>>>
>>>g
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>>>
>>>>Here is a link to my experiences:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050614184749626
>>>>
>>>>There are 6 articles in total on the canopy.
>>>>
>>>>Mickey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone documented any part of the glue approach on their
>>>>>website ... would love to get a sense of your experiences,
>>>>>pitfalls, pros and cons ...
>>>>
>>>--
>>>__g__
>>>
>>>==========================================================
>>>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
>>> Tel: 415 203 9177
>>>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artifical Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
Jamie,
Concerning your question stated below...
"When recovering from unusual attitudes you look at what first? "
My basic answer, perhaps biased by a military Tacair background, is: You
look at the attitude display to find the location of the sky and dirt so you
can roll and pull to the nearest horizon. Just like a VMC recovery, you
just can't see the outside horizon. No one is going to recover from a 60
degree nose-down,150 degree bank situation in the goo without a good
attitude display.
An instrument that displays attitude or flightpath information to the pilot
must have three critical characteristics:
1. The displayed relationship between the aircraft symbol and the display
horizon must ALWAYS be veridical in both bank and pitch to that of the
aircraft to the actual (local-level) horizon.
2. The depiction of the sky-ground interface should never "go-away" (that
is, disappear from the pilot's field-of-view) on a panel mounted attitude
display. As you pull the nose through +90 degrees of pitch, the horizon
representation (now upside down) should appear at the top of the display as
soon as it goes away at the bottom. You should never be left with all sky
or all ground on the display.
3. The mechanism to generate the display must be as close to Non-Tumbling as
possible. With new solid state components, this aspect should improve
dramatically, since the incorporation of finicky and fragile mechanical
links are eliminated.
Ed Holyoke just reported to the list that he felt that the TT ADI may well
provide actual roll angle information up to some limit (perhaps 30 deg with
a 45 degree 'helper cue' arrow?) . That will provide more positive support
to help recover from mild to moderate upsets, but there is just no
substitute for an all-aspect attitude display.
Regards,
Hawkeye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Painter" <jamie@jpainter.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Artifical Horizon
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
>
> I agree Hawkeye, sitting the unit on the bench would be a good, simple
> test. I do suspect though that the instrument will indicate bank
> angle...we'll see. Hopefully someone can test it and let the list know.
>
> I've tumbled gyros in spam cans doing stalls so I'm not sure that
> peoples' assertions that the ADI is unsafe in extreme attitudes is
> necessarily a disadvantage of the instrument over mechanical gyros.
> That's why traditional AH gyros having caging knobs, useful only in
> straight and level flight. If they're so accurate, why do they need
> that little knob? Isn't this one of the reasons why we're taught to
> recover from spins by looking at the TC?
>
> When recovering from unusual attitudes you look at what first? The
> airspeed to see if it's increasing or decreasing (to indicate descent or
> climb) and then the AH to determine corrective action necessary to level
> the wings. So in recovering from an unusual attitude, there is really
> not much difference at all between the ADI and a mechanical gyro
> (assuming of course the ADI really indicates bank).
>
> That being said, I do wish Trutrak would release a solid-state electric
> attitude indicator. I think they would sell the hell out of it and I
> would be one of their first customers.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jamie D. Painter
> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Alt. High pressure elect. fuel pump |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
You might check with Airflow Performance, but Don may have an agreement
not to undersell Van's, his distributor
Chuck Jensen
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
Hi all,
I searched the archieves, but could not find an cheaper alternative the
airflow perf. pump Vans sells for the fuel injected engines. Anyone
know of a viable alternative to this.
Thanks,
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
> I don't think you would want to use ProSeal to attach the canopy.
> ProSeal is primarily a sealant, not an adhesive. Although it is
> quite tenacious, it
> is not designed to adhere to plastics or acrylics like the
> Sikaflex 295 is.
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
> As I had posted before, ProSeal is the specified sealant for Mooneys
> windows, and has been for probably 25 years, after the early 201s had
> some corrosion problems from side window leakage.
Kelly, are the Mooney's windows adhesively bonded into place, or are they
riveted/screwed in as well?
I suspect they are screwed in, or at a minimum retained by a riveted or
screwed-on aluminum border. Used that way, the ProSeal is merely a "gap
filler" to keep things from sliding around, and to keep the air out.
ProSeal is designed to be a water- and air-tight gap filler, and has served
the aviation community in that capacity for a number of years. I don't
think it was ever intended to be the sole mechanical bond in any given
joint.
Sikaflex, on the other hand, is designed to be the sole mechanical
connection between your windshield and its support structure. No
additional fasteners required.
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Where shall I start ? How far back shall I go ? How many times have my wings
tilted up enough to avert the Big Sleep ?
How long have I kept the secrets to myself alone ?
Strangely, it is from my old instructors whom I feel the wrath would hurt me most.
Not my spouse, not my heirs, not the FAA, but me, and my old instructors, all of
whom were scarred by their own brushes with real fate and , in some cases ,
combat, that I felt the most betrayal of common sense.
My first, I think, was my cross country in low cloud and rain, where 5 of us took
off, and 4 returned, and I pressed on, turned the 60 mile mark and came home.
Not to congratulation, but to scorn and abuse for monumental stupidity.
But then, you see, we had just lost a student from Holland who killed himself whilst
teaching himself aerobatics, and Reg, his instructor was still cut up inside
with the shock and the task of the writing of the letter. So, you see, he
was not in the mood for risk takers, lest he suffer another hurtful memory.
These guys were, to a man, the salt of the Earth, most former combat pilots who
could not say good bye to flying, but would take a job instucting on 100 horses
only, and happily bonk you on the head for a mistake, the better to drive home
a lesson in fate and gravity...and stupidity.
Well, I tried once to take off with the tail still tied down, also taxiing once
with the noise of the tow bar still in place to signal me that pre flight was
not done.
OH, and landing at night at an unlighted strip with car lights showing the way
as to where home was....this with 3 other sods on board who had been imbibing.
How ungracious my exit from the cabin when all the contents of my shirt pocket
fell at the feet of the instructor who wondered how I could be gone for 6 hours
on four hour tanks.
To this day I mourn the loss of those aviator glasses.
Lest I forget, there was the time at dusk in the San Joaquin when I had to land
quickly, and by grace, found a movie lot strip with sage brush kissing the wing
tips on rollout.
My sleepmates that night were a couple of horses who shared the hay and munched
and farted contentedly, and did not step on me once....gentle souls...
The tower guys at San Jose were wonderful to me when I ran after the " follow me
" jeep and up 4 stories to arrive breathless and unable to speak to answer as
to why I had landed on the taxi way...another student from Hayward in the big
city and jet traffic who cannot remember their call sign but say "Roger" to
everything, including a request from tower to do a 180, crash and burn "......yes,
I did it all.
Almost taxied in front of a DC3 taking off in Oregon .....flew into Mexico with
a pal who always begged to be landed, fed, and reassured, but to his credit,
never questioned my navigation, my flying, nor choice of sleeping with horses.
Folks at San Luis Obispo took us home and fed us merely because we let their 4
year old ride along the taxiway with us while we picked a parking spot.
They thought we were students about to enroll at college rather than the scruff
wanderers we really were....and foreigners at that.
Every stop we made, people astounded us with their trust and generosity, giving
us the airport car, and dinner at home, though sadly, never a night with daughter.
Our poor underpowered mount which could not beat the 18 wheelers on the interstate,
nor the mountains of Mexico, made the choice to continue by Super Connie
of Aeronaves an easy choice to make.
Doe eyed hostesses and a wonderful meal made me want to become Spanish, if only
for long enough to understand what " I love you " sounds like in Latin flavor.
Homeward bound was free of stupid choices other than to test how long one could
remain aloft on fumes, and deciding when, in heavy rain, it was time to do a
180.
We were greeted at home base by a man who owned the school and was a near legend
for his service days.
Smiling and most forgiving of confessions and a pat on the head and a wish that
you live and learn....few like him walk this way...
I learned a few years later that upon his demise while flying something, the main
airport road now bears his name.
But my dumb ways were not over yet, because me, myself, alone, landed at the
$100 hamburger heaven as very low cloud and fog slowly overcame the field.
After the lunch was done and time to head out, was just a bit horrified to find
the system had moved in and taken half the field.
With the last half of the strip still open, the RV taxied into the murk and lined
up for a run to the open.
Should have known that the RV would be airborne so quickly, being light on gas,
weight, and my brains, and was up and into the mist with no gyros.
Climbing with needle and ball and airspeed and compass, I knew I would break out
soon, but it was a very long soon, for here, I thought, be oblivion.
How is it that old lessons can stay with you, unused for decades, and guide you
to salvation ?
It was the old Air Force instructors, gone now, but with me still, a clap on the
head, and forcing me to keep focus.
So there you have it, sins committed and confessed and probably a few more in the
recesses of the logbook.
That book with names of girls not spoken of for 50 years, instructors who are
faces long gone, place names of happy times and adventures, and an old photo in
the folds of the licence so hard won that shows my face as it was so long ago
and is not the one I recognize in the mirror....
"Faint Heart Never Won Fair Lady , Laddie " ! were the words old Reg sent me solo
with....and I can hear them still !
Regards,
Austin.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Now that the Holidays are past most of us, we're turning up the heat trying to
get Texas RV'er's both builders and flyers together.
Come join us...!
CenTex_RV_Aircraft-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing canopies |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
I'm not sure what retention method is used on the newer models. The
older models have retention clips that hold the plexi in place against
the exterior skin, and the clips are held by counter sunk screws on the
outside and self locking nuts on the inside. Of course the exterior skin
is subject to both expansion/contraction as well as wind forces, as it
is only skin and is non-structural, as the Mooney uses a chrome moly
steel tube frame for the cockpit.
Rob Prior (rv7) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> Kelly, are the Mooney's windows adhesively bonded into place, or are they
> riveted/screwed in as well?
>
> I suspect they are screwed in, or at a minimum retained by a riveted or
> screwed-on aluminum border. Used that way, the ProSeal is merely a "gap
> filler" to keep things from sliding around, and to keep the air out.
> ProSeal is designed to be a water- and air-tight gap filler, and has served
> the aviation community in that capacity for a number of years. I don't
> think it was ever intended to be the sole mechanical bond in any given
> joint.
>
> Sikaflex, on the other hand, is designed to be the sole mechanical
> connection between your windshield and its support structure. No
> additional fasteners required.
>
> -Rob
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dumb things I have done |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Hi Austin,
I took the liberty to actually archive this fine writing of yours! Please forgive
me, ...but I will bear any and all consequences!
Konrad
Subject: RV-List: Dumb things I have done
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Where shall I start ? How far back shall I go ? How many times have my wings
tilted up enough to avert the Big Sleep ?
How long have I kept the secrets to myself alone ?
Strangely, it is from my old instructors whom I feel the wrath would hurt me
most.
Not my spouse, not my heirs, not the FAA, but me, and my old instructors, all
of whom were scarred by their own brushes with real fate and , in some cases
, combat, that I felt the most betrayal of common sense.
My first, I think, was my cross country in low cloud and rain, where 5 of us
took off, and 4 returned, and I pressed on, turned the 60 mile mark and came home.
Not to congratulation, but to scorn and abuse for monumental stupidity.
But then, you see, we had just lost a student from Holland who killed himself
whilst teaching himself aerobatics, and Reg, his instructor was still cut up
inside with the shock and the task of the writing of the letter. So, you see,
he was not in the mood for risk takers, lest he suffer another hurtful memory.
These guys were, to a man, the salt of the Earth, most former combat pilots who
could not say good bye to flying, but would take a job instucting on 100 horses
only, and happily bonk you on the head for a mistake, the better to drive
home a lesson in fate and gravity...and stupidity.
Well, I tried once to take off with the tail still tied down, also taxiing once
with the noise of the tow bar still in place to signal me that pre flight was
not done.
OH, and landing at night at an unlighted strip with car lights showing the way
as to where home was....this with 3 other sods on board who had been imbibing.
How ungracious my exit from the cabin when all the contents of my shirt pocket
fell at the feet of the instructor who wondered how I could be gone for 6 hours
on four hour tanks.
To this day I mourn the loss of those aviator glasses.
Lest I forget, there was the time at dusk in the San Joaquin when I had to land
quickly, and by grace, found a movie lot strip with sage brush kissing the
wing tips on rollout.
My sleepmates that night were a couple of horses who shared the hay and munched
and farted contentedly, and did not step on me once....gentle souls...
The tower guys at San Jose were wonderful to me when I ran after the " follow
me " jeep and up 4 stories to arrive breathless and unable to speak to answer
as to why I had landed on the taxi way...another student from Hayward in the
big city and jet traffic who cannot remember their call sign but say "Roger" to
everything, including a request from tower to do a 180, crash and burn "......yes,
I did it all.
Almost taxied in front of a DC3 taking off in Oregon .....flew into Mexico with
a pal who always begged to be landed, fed, and reassured, but to his credit,
never questioned my navigation, my flying, nor choice of sleeping with horses.
Folks at San Luis Obispo took us home and fed us merely because we let their
4 year old ride along the taxiway with us while we picked a parking spot.
They thought we were students about to enroll at college rather than the scruff
wanderers we really were....and foreigners at that.
Every stop we made, people astounded us with their trust and generosity, giving
us the airport car, and dinner at home, though sadly, never a night with daughter.
Our poor underpowered mount which could not beat the 18 wheelers on the interstate,
nor the mountains of Mexico, made the choice to continue by Super Connie
of Aeronaves an easy choice to make.
Doe eyed hostesses and a wonderful meal made me want to become Spanish, if only
for long enough to understand what " I love you " sounds like in Latin flavor.
Homeward bound was free of stupid choices other than to test how long one could
remain aloft on fumes, and deciding when, in heavy rain, it was time to do
a 180.
We were greeted at home base by a man who owned the school and was a near legend
for his service days.
Smiling and most forgiving of confessions and a pat on the head and a wish that
you live and learn....few like him walk this way...
I learned a few years later that upon his demise while flying something, the
main airport road now bears his name.
But my dumb ways were not over yet, because me, myself, alone, landed at
the $100 hamburger heaven as very low cloud and fog slowly overcame the field.
After the lunch was done and time to head out, was just a bit horrified to find
the system had moved in and taken half the field.
With the last half of the strip still open, the RV taxied into the murk and lined
up for a run to the open.
Should have known that the RV would be airborne so quickly, being light on gas,
weight, and my brains, and was up and into the mist with no gyros.
Climbing with needle and ball and airspeed and compass, I knew I would break
out soon, but it was a very long soon, for here, I thought, be oblivion.
How is it that old lessons can stay with you, unused for decades, and guide you
to salvation ?
It was the old Air Force instructors, gone now, but with me still, a clap on
the head, and forcing me to keep focus.
So there you have it, sins committed and confessed and probably a few more in
the recesses of the logbook.
That book with names of girls not spoken of for 50 years, instructors who are
faces long gone, place names of happy times and adventures, and an old photo
in the folds of the licence so hard won that shows my face as it was so long
ago and is not the one I recognize in the mirror....
"Faint Heart Never Won Fair Lady , Laddie " ! were the words old Reg sent me
solo with....and I can hear them still !
Regards,
Austin.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowles" <schybolt@verizon.net>
THANKS, AUSTIN. I ENJOYED THAT.
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| Subject: | Avionics Stack for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
One of my neighbors has the following for sale:
KX155 - 14v, g/s, with KA209 indicator, trays and harness, recent yellow tag
Apollo GPS - 2001NMS, with antenna and tray, still in box from recent Garmin
service
KMA20 Audio Panel with marker beacon reciever, inlcudes tray, recent yellow
tag
All of the above for $3,950.00
Also
KN65 DME, includes indicator and converter
KR85 ADF complete system including indicator and antennas
Trans Cal SSD120, altitude digitizers (two)
Jim Cullison
503-784-6999
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Lyle, that was fascinating! Of all the stuff I have seen on the lists over
the last few years, THAT was worth reading.
Feel free to do that again anytime you like! :-)
Bill S
7a Ark
Wiring
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lyle
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dumb things I have done
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Where shall I start ? How far back shall I go ? How many times have my
wings tilted up enough to avert the Big Sleep ?
How long have I kept the secrets to myself alone ?
Strangely, it is from my old instructors whom I feel the wrath would hurt me
most.
Not my spouse, not my heirs, not the FAA, but me, and my old instructors,
all of whom were scarred by their own brushes with real fate and , in some
cases , combat, that I felt the most betrayal of common sense.
My first, I think, was my cross country in low cloud and rain, where 5 of us
took off, and 4 returned, and I pressed on, turned the 60 mile mark and came
home.
Not to congratulation, but to scorn and abuse for monumental stupidity.
But then, you see, we had just lost a student from Holland who killed
himself whilst teaching himself aerobatics, and Reg, his instructor was
still cut up inside with the shock and the task of the writing of the
letter. So, you see, he was not in the mood for risk takers, lest he suffer
another hurtful memory.
These guys were, to a man, the salt of the Earth, most former combat pilots
who could not say good bye to flying, but would take a job instucting on 100
horses only, and happily bonk you on the head for a mistake, the better to
drive home a lesson in fate and gravity...and stupidity.
Well, I tried once to take off with the tail still tied down, also taxiing
once with the noise of the tow bar still in place to signal me that pre
flight was not done.
OH, and landing at night at an unlighted strip with car lights showing the
way as to where home was....this with 3 other sods on board who had been
imbibing.
How ungracious my exit from the cabin when all the contents of my shirt
pocket fell at the feet of the instructor who wondered how I could be gone
for 6 hours on four hour tanks.
To this day I mourn the loss of those aviator glasses.
Lest I forget, there was the time at dusk in the San Joaquin when I had to
land quickly, and by grace, found a movie lot strip with sage brush kissing
the wing tips on rollout.
My sleepmates that night were a couple of horses who shared the hay and
munched and farted contentedly, and did not step on me once....gentle
souls...
The tower guys at San Jose were wonderful to me when I ran after the "
follow me " jeep and up 4 stories to arrive breathless and unable to speak
to answer as to why I had landed on the taxi way...another student from
Hayward in the big city and jet traffic who cannot remember their call sign
but say "Roger" to everything, including a request from tower to do a 180,
crash and burn "......yes, I did it all.
Almost taxied in front of a DC3 taking off in Oregon .....flew into Mexico
with a pal who always begged to be landed, fed, and reassured, but to his
credit, never questioned my navigation, my flying, nor choice of sleeping
with horses.
Folks at San Luis Obispo took us home and fed us merely because we let their
4 year old ride along the taxiway with us while we picked a parking spot.
They thought we were students about to enroll at college rather than the
scruff wanderers we really were....and foreigners at that.
Every stop we made, people astounded us with their trust and generosity,
giving us the airport car, and dinner at home, though sadly, never a night
with daughter.
Our poor underpowered mount which could not beat the 18 wheelers on the
interstate, nor the mountains of Mexico, made the choice to continue by
Super Connie of Aeronaves an easy choice to make.
Doe eyed hostesses and a wonderful meal made me want to become Spanish, if
only for long enough to understand what " I love you " sounds like in Latin
flavor.
Homeward bound was free of stupid choices other than to test how long one
could remain aloft on fumes, and deciding when, in heavy rain, it was time
to do a 180.
We were greeted at home base by a man who owned the school and was a near
legend for his service days.
Smiling and most forgiving of confessions and a pat on the head and a wish
that you live and learn....few like him walk this way...
I learned a few years later that upon his demise while flying something, the
main airport road now bears his name.
But my dumb ways were not over yet, because me, myself, alone, landed at
the $100 hamburger heaven as very low cloud and fog slowly overcame the
field.
After the lunch was done and time to head out, was just a bit horrified to
find the system had moved in and taken half the field.
With the last half of the strip still open, the RV taxied into the murk and
lined up for a run to the open.
Should have known that the RV would be airborne so quickly, being light on
gas, weight, and my brains, and was up and into the mist with no gyros.
Climbing with needle and ball and airspeed and compass, I knew I would break
out soon, but it was a very long soon, for here, I thought, be oblivion.
How is it that old lessons can stay with you, unused for decades, and guide
you to salvation ?
It was the old Air Force instructors, gone now, but with me still, a clap on
the head, and forcing me to keep focus.
So there you have it, sins committed and confessed and probably a few more
in the recesses of the logbook.
That book with names of girls not spoken of for 50 years, instructors who
are faces long gone, place names of happy times and adventures, and an old
photo in the folds of the licence so hard won that shows my face as it was
so long ago and is not the one I recognize in the mirror....
"Faint Heart Never Won Fair Lady , Laddie " ! were the words old Reg sent
me solo with....and I can hear them still !
Regards,
Austin.
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