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1. 01:59 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES ()
2. 02:08 AM - Re: pop rivet conversion question (Charlie England)
3. 03:17 AM - General coment re instumentation (Nic)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Mark & Lisa)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Mark & Lisa)
6. 05:49 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (James H Nelson)
8. 06:06 AM - I HATE PINHOLES (James H Nelson)
9. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
10. 06:34 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (Jeff Orear)
11. 06:56 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (Darrell Reiley)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Ed Bundy)
13. 07:28 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (Jeff Dowling)
14. 07:40 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon (Steve&Anita Nyman)
15. 07:40 AM - Re: Liquid versus powdered Alodine or Iridite was Re: RV-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 12/23/04 (PJ Seipel)
16. 07:47 AM - Re: Garmin Avionics Trays (Bobby Hester)
17. 07:49 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Jeff Dowling)
18. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Artificial HorizonArtificial Horizon (Steven Richmond)
19. 07:53 AM - "Boxing Out" Port-A-Port Standard T-Hangar (jacklockamy)
20. 08:06 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (Jeff Dowling)
21. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
22. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon (Bruce Gray)
23. 08:42 AM - Interesting reading... (Bill VonDane)
24. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Chuck Jensen)
25. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Folbrecht, Paul)
26. 09:44 AM - Re: Interesting reading... (Steve Glasgow)
27. 10:20 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (JetPilot)
28. 10:34 AM - Re: General coment re instumentation (Skylor Piper)
29. 10:37 AM - Re: service instruction 1305c (Pat Hatch)
30. 10:40 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon (JetPilot)
31. 11:20 AM - Re: Uncertified Artificial Horizon (RobHickman@aol.com)
32. 11:34 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES (LarryRobertHelming)
33. 11:37 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon (bdjones1965)
34. 11:47 AM - Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (Kevin Hester)
35. 01:28 PM - I Hate Pinholes (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
36. 02:17 PM - Wingtip has twist (Tim Bryan)
37. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (Steve Sampson)
38. 03:01 PM - First Flight (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
39. 03:15 PM - Re: First Flight (John Furey)
40. 03:15 PM - Flying RV7 for sale ???? (aflyer)
41. 03:25 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Ed Anderson)
42. 03:30 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Darrell Reiley)
43. 03:32 PM - Re: First Flight (Darrell Reiley)
44. 04:11 PM - I HATE PINHOLES (James H Nelson)
45. 04:20 PM - I HATE PINHOLES (James H Nelson)
46. 04:32 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Kyle Boatright)
47. 04:36 PM - Re: First Flight (Tim Bryan)
48. 04:39 PM - Financing (Paul Besing)
49. 04:41 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Tim Bryan)
50. 04:43 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Tim Bryan)
51. 05:15 PM - Re: Financing (Darrell Reiley)
52. 05:20 PM - Re: Financing (Tim Bryan)
53. 05:26 PM - Re: Financing (Charlie England)
54. 05:42 PM - Re: I HATE PINHOLES (Kevin Horton)
55. 05:45 PM - Re: Financing (Darrell Reiley)
56. 06:01 PM - Re: Financing (Paul Besing)
57. 06:01 PM - Re: Financing (Paul Besing)
58. 06:02 PM - Re: First Flight (REHughes)
59. 06:23 PM - Fuel tax, euros (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
60. 06:25 PM - Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? (DAVE MADER)
61. 06:29 PM - Re: Financing (Darrell Reiley)
62. 06:35 PM - Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? (sportav8r@aol.com)
63. 07:37 PM - Re: First Flight (Richard Dudley)
64. 07:53 PM - Re: Fuel tax, euros (Charlie England)
65. 08:40 PM - Re: Financing (Cory Emberson)
66. 09:00 PM - Re: First Flight (Charles Rowbotham)
67. 09:01 PM - Re: Financing (Charles Rowbotham)
68. 09:32 PM - Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? (Ron Lee)
69. 10:29 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
70. 11:47 PM - Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? (DAVE MADER)
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> Boy !! ME TOO !!!
> I hate fibreglas in any form but we have to suffer through it .
> I finally found out about Ploy Fibre "Smooth Prime " ,after I had my
> fingers bleeding just from sanding the parts the air sander couldn't reach
!!
> I really regretted not knowing about "Smooth Prime" sooner. A couple of
> coats , with easy sanding & it is done. NO PINHOLES !!!!!!!!
> Try it - you'll like it.
>
Unfortunately, I didn't have the same results as Bob. I ended up sanding
almost all of the Smooth Prime off of my fiberglass parts and lost about a
week of work doing it. I ended up using a fast fill primer made by the same
company that made the rest of my finishing products. It may have been
DuPont; but, it may also have been PPG. I'm sure all of them make a fast
fill primer. While spraying this thick primer on, I could spread it into
the pin holes nicely with my fingers and filled them easily in a couple of
coats. The nice thing is that the stuff is compatible with the rest of the
paint, can fill in minor dings easily, is wet sandable (which was the
problem I had with Smooth Prime), can fill up to 1/16" thick, and does not
seem to run. I'll be using the same primer, this time. I seem to have a
few dings to fill. :-(
Others have had very good luck with Smooth Prime; but, you do have other
choices
that may be more easily obtained.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Skinning wings, etc.)
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: pop rivet conversion question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Knicholas2@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
>Sorry guys, this is not directly RV related but I need help . Now that the
>RV9 is done, I am starting on a new project. The plans for the Niueport 12 use
>Advel 1661-0401 1/8" pop rivets and Emhart AD 64 BS pop rivets.
>
>I can't find either brand as listed. Can anyone help with the conversion
>for Cherry pop rivets for each type.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Kim Nicholas
>Auburn, WA
>RV9
>
>Do not archive
>
Have you tried
http://www.hansonrivet.com/index.php4
I've had good service from them & they have a huge selection.
Charlie
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| Subject: | General coment re instumentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Kevin, You may be right and the Lycoming developed many years ago is the
Zenith of light aviation engines, but I doubt it, and quoting figures in
this present context is missing the point.
Fuel prices in the short to medium term will continue to rise in the 21st
century as China's expansion accelerates and it becomes the dominant nation
in the world, and the US struggles with its highest budget deficit since
WWII.
Low fuel prices have been sustained in the western world by economic and
military means for decades, but this era is coming to an end. My argument is
that our trusty old Lycomings have been more than adequate in this context,
but we all know that development has been slow as a result.
Against a background of higher fuel prices in Europe most consumers look for
fuel efficiency as a priority when selecting a vehicle, and cars with modern
Turbo Diesels have great economy of 50mpg+ and great torque, these were
developed specifically to provide the consumer with improved economy. Very
few people in Europe would consider a vehicle that only gives 20mpg !
Of course we don't need modern instrumentation to fly from A to B, but given
that we are reliant on our trusty old Lycosaurs, I think that having good
modern instrumentation adds reliability and maximises the use of our dated
power plants whilst also saving valuable resources.
Nic
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Touche!
Mark
DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 1/21/2006 6:38:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I really don't understand this rush to go out and bet your life on
untested,
uncertified instrumentation.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Yet you will go out and bet your life on an untested, uncertified
plastic
airplane?
Sorry, I could not resist....
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Bruce,
Why can't the same be said of the "latest crop of electronic game screens"?
If I develop and execute a throrough test program, like the one you used for
your aircraft, can't I determine a product's usefulness for my purposes? I
can place the instrument in all the likely situations I might find myself in
given my flying mission and see how it reacts. If it works, fine, if not,
try something else. Isn't this what manufacturers like Chelton and Avidyne
do? I thought we are building experimental aircraft here, why shouldn't we
experiment?
Mark & Lisa Sletten
Legacy FG N828LM
http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
The only thing left to test, after your FAA inspection
(which is to insure no parts are going to fall off), is the
airworthiness of
the beast. That can be determined in the standard 25/40 hour test
period. If
you built a known kit your chances of success are good, if it's your
own
design you did on the back of a napkin, don't fly over my house.
The same cannot be said for the latest crop of electronic game
screens.
They're untested, uncertified, and just plane dangerous for all except
strictly VFR airplanes.
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| Subject: | Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Would you like to race? Or perhaps try an outside loop? How about a vertical
cuban eight? Or fly your next trip at 240 KTAS.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark & Lisa
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Touche!
Mark
DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 1/21/2006 6:38:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I really don't understand this rush to go out and bet your life on
untested,
uncertified instrumentation.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Yet you will go out and bet your life on an untested, uncertified
plastic
airplane?
Sorry, I could not resist....
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Jeff,
I built a glass airplane and "Smooth Prime" is the best pin hole
filler. Its water based and is rolled on with a small foam roller. You
will roll on several 4 to 6 layers of smooth prime only to sand it off.
The stuff drys quickly ( in several hours in the warm south) and allows
you to put on at least two applications a day. The key is when your
done, let the items you filled "dry" for several weeks before painting.
You can use aux heat to speed it up. The reason is to remove the water
left in the smooth prime after finishing. Then you can paint it. I
recommend you use a misting of black lacquer to provide an indicator of
how you have left the surface. If any paint is left on the surface
after sanding, you did not sand that area. So more smooth prime is added
to raise the lower surface. It leaves a very nice surface. You can
become quite anal on how nice you want the surface to look. In other
words, "more is better, too much is enough"
Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Poly fiver is the supplier of "Smooth Prime"
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Good question, if you talk to the BMA, Dynon, etc low cost non certified
EFIS guys, they all say, "yep, we tested for that." When you try to get more
specific about their testing programs, the answers start getting more vague.
Did you do DO160/DO178 testing? "No" they answer but our product will meet
the specs they say. The cost of meeting the specs of DO160/178 testing is
expensive. Performing the tests is not. However the cost to re-engineer the
faults the testing uncovers is expensive. The DO160/178 requirement is the
major hurdle to cross for certification. If all these manufacturers were so
damn sure their products would pass, why didn't they test and certify them?
It would give them a leg up on the competition. The real reason is that
they, in all probability, would fail the testing.
You can bet your life on any piece of equipment you desire or make. Just
remember, our friendly FAA makes it's rules based on body count.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark & Lisa
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified Artificial Horizon
Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Bruce,
Why can't the same be said of the "latest crop of electronic game screens"?
If I develop and execute a throrough test program, like the one you used for
your aircraft, can't I determine a product's usefulness for my purposes? I
can place the instrument in all the likely situations I might find myself in
given my flying mission and see how it reacts. If it works, fine, if not,
try something else. Isn't this what manufacturers like Chelton and Avidyne
do? I thought we are building experimental aircraft here, why shouldn't we
experiment?
Mark & Lisa Sletten
Legacy FG N828LM
http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
The only thing left to test, after your FAA inspection
(which is to insure no parts are going to fall off), is the
airworthiness of
the beast. That can be determined in the standard 25/40 hour test
period. If
you built a known kit your chances of success are good, if it's your
own
design you did on the back of a napkin, don't fly over my house.
The same cannot be said for the latest crop of electronic game
screens.
They're untested, uncertified, and just plane dangerous for all except
strictly VFR airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Thanks Jim. I have heard that guys have had trouble getting rid of
pinholes, so your advice is appreciated.
Regards,
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Jeff,
> I built a glass airplane and "Smooth Prime" is the best pin hole
> filler. Its water based and is rolled on with a small foam roller. You
> will roll on several 4 to 6 layers of smooth prime only to sand it off.
> The stuff drys quickly ( in several hours in the warm south) and allows
> you to put on at least two applications a day. The key is when your
> done, let the items you filled "dry" for several weeks before painting.
> You can use aux heat to speed it up. The reason is to remove the water
> left in the smooth prime after finishing. Then you can paint it. I
> recommend you use a misting of black lacquer to provide an indicator of
> how you have left the surface. If any paint is left on the surface
> after sanding, you did not sand that area. So more smooth prime is added
> to raise the lower surface. It leaves a very nice surface. You can
> become quite anal on how nice you want the surface to look. In other
> words, "more is better, too much is enough"
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
www.polyfiber.com/uvsmooth/
Darrell
Paul Rice <rice737@msn.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice"
Where can you get smooth prime?
Paul
RV8QB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Orear"
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
>
> Bob:
>
> How much Smooth Prime did you go through? Did a quart do the job or did
> you
> need more than that? I am trying to apply your experience to a 6A cowl.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A N782P (reserved)
> Darn close to inspection time..
> Peshtigo, WI
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:54 PM
> Subject: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
> >
> > Boy !! ME TOO !!!
> > I hate fibreglas in any form but we have to suffer through it .
> > I finally found out about Ploy Fibre "Smooth Prime " ,after I had my
> > fingers bleeding just from sanding the parts the air sander couldn't
> > reach
> > !!
> > I really regretted not knowing about "Smooth Prime" sooner. A couple
> > of
> > coats , with easy sanding & it is done. NO PINHOLES !!!!!!!!
> > Try it - you'll like it.
> >
> > Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
> > A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> > Charleston,Arkansas
> > Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
---------------------------------
Photo Books. You design it and well bind it!
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@speedyquick.net>
At the risk of wasting bandwidth or encouraging you further, I have to
wonder exactly what you are trying to accomplish.
Personally, I think Glasair's are fine airplanes. However your comments are
a little silly. Sure, I'll race you, but we get to factor in the difference
in fuel bills and MPG once we get there. Outside loops? Ugh, no thanks.
But lets head over to some of the incredible mountain airstrips in my neck
of the woods. One of my favorites is 1500' long, sort of rough, and has
water on both ends. Also, if there are 1200 Glasairs flying as the factory
claims (is there still a factory? They've "restructured" so many times I'm
not sure) why is it that I rarely catch a glimpse of one? I guess they're
so fast it just makes them seem elusive. By contrast, with "only" 3.5x as
many RV's flying I see them at virtually every airport I visit.
Anyway, my point is that all airplanes have their uses and supporters, pros
and cons, and everyone makes their choice based on personal preference. Do
you really think that you are going to convert anyone on the RV LIST? Or
are you just trolling? Or perhaps they kicked you off the Glasair list.
Anyway, if you're ever out in the Boise area, I'd love to go for a ride, and
I'd be happy to reciprocate. Then I'll buy you a beer, and we can have a
good-natured discussion of our findings.
Ed Bundy
> Would you like to race? Or perhaps try an outside loop? How about
> a vertical
> cuban eight? Or fly your next trip at 240 KTAS.
>
> Bruce
--
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
I ordered it last night. Thanks
do not archive
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> Boy !! ME TOO !!!
> I hate fibreglas in any form but we have to suffer through it .
> I finally found out about Ploy Fibre "Smooth Prime " ,after I had my
> fingers bleeding just from sanding the parts the air sander couldn't reach
> !!
> I really regretted not knowing about "Smooth Prime" sooner. A couple of
> coats , with easy sanding & it is done. NO PINHOLES !!!!!!!!
> Try it - you'll like it.
>
> Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
> A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> Charleston,Arkansas
> Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
<<From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sure the companies make some rudimentary tests but
nothing like the full DO178 compliant tests required of certificated
electro-whizzys.>>
Chelton did. They use the same hardware and software in systems they sell
to the experimental market.
Steve
N174AS
MEM
do not archive
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Digest: 20 Msgs - 12/23/04
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
The only reason ACS has the powder is that I requested they look into
carrying it due to the extreme cost of the liquid. ACS was only able to
get it in that huge quantity, but the plan was for them to re-package
it. They apparently didn't understand that it is hazmat, and once they
read the MSDS refused to repackage it. So they're stuck with it.
I ended up buying from Eldorado Chemicals, and was able to get 5 lbs of
powder (comes in a 1 gal paint can) for $87. You still pay the $20 UPS
hazmat charge on top of the regular shipping, but when you do the math
it is still phenomenally cheaper than buying the liquid. 5lb is more
than enough to do an entire airplane, and I'll probably have some left
over.
PJ
"Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> RV-List Digest":
chaztuna@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> RV-List Digest:
20 Msgs - 12/23/04
>
> Pat,
> I would not recommend that any RV builder buy their Alodine (or Iridite
> or Dorado Kote 1) from ACS. To expensive. What is not factored into your
> equation, is the HazMat shipping charges you incur, when you order liquid
> chromic acid or phosphoric acid compounds from ANY vendor.
> Will those who have ordered liquid Alodine from ACS please pipe up here?
> I know that the shipping charges have been surprising. A number of builders
> have commented on that fact, on list, in the past. When I started my 8A
> project, I purchased a liquid equivalent of Alodine (marketed by PPG &
> DuPont) from my local automotive paint store. They charged between $21-$27
> per liquid gallon. (they had to pay the HazMat shipping fees).
> Allied Plating Supply will sell you 10 pounds of MacDirmid's Iridite 14-2
> powder for $166. That the same as what I would pay for 6.5 gallons of
> liquid, locally. The other factor is that liquid chromic acids have a shelf
> life and are photochemically reactive. My experience is that about 18-24
> months is the longest the liquid will be viable. Don't use this stuff (or
> store it for that matter) in sunlight. It will be ruined in one use. The
> powder will keep for up to 5 years, if kept dry. With the powder, you can
> mix only the amount needed. You can split the cost with two other builders,
> as 30 - 40 gallons will allow you to treat even the largest parts of your
> project by "dipping".
> I know other methods of application can be used, but they tend to be
> inferior (in my experience and that of all my buddies) to dipping the parts
> prior to priming. If you are building a QB and intend to spray or sponge
> the chromic acid compound on the completed aircraft, prior to paint, then
> purchasing the liquid will be more economical. I would suggest that the
> listers check with their local automotive paint supply store for these
> chemicals before ordering it from ACS. No wait and the price will be
> similar when the HazMAT shipping is factored in. I've never been charged
> for HazMat shipping when I purchased the powder. Even for a builder in the
> boonies, I think you could arrange a "group purchase" of 10 pounds of the
> powder and save money. One person would simply have to take delivery and
> distribute to the others. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it! :-)
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
>>
>> True enough, especially if you need 100+ gallons. Or if you have enough
>> friends that you can share it out, which really helps the expense. However,
>> for those of us unfortunate enough to live in the 'boonies', it makes more
>> sense to buy the liquid. Yes, the material cost is higher but the bottom
>> line is lower. By the way, when I 'did the math', I used the actual price,
>> which is $15-16 per gallon liquid vs. $858 for 60 lbs powder (Aircraft
>> Spruce's only listed quantity for powder.) Fortunately for Ron, there is
>> someone fairly nearby that can help him out.
>>
>> Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Muddling through without a builder's group, etc.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
>> <chaztuna@adelphia.net> RV-List Digest : chaztuna@adelphia.net
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Liquid versus powdered Alodine or Iridite was RV-List: Re:
>> RV-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 12/23/04
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>> --> RV-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 12/23/04
>>
>> Pat,
>> At $1.66 per gallon for powder versus $20 to $27 per gallon liquid, there
>> is NO good deal on liquid Alodine or Iridite. Do the math. Even buying 10
>> pounds (minumum purchase quantity for powder. Enough to make 100
>> - 130 gallons) of Iridite 14-2 at $166 is a better deal than buying 4-5
>> gallons of liquid at the prices above.
>> Charlie Kuss
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
>>>
>>> Aircraft Spruce has powdered alodine, but it's in a huge quantity. For
>>> a more reasonable amount and cost, I had good luck with the liquid stuff.
>>>
>>> Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Flagstaff, AZ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Burden
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 12/23/04
>>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Burden" <crb@commspeed.net>
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> I am a new builder (RV7A empennage) in Cottonwood, AZ. I have been
>>> unable to locate a reasonable source for powdered Alodine or Iridite
>>> 14-2. If any of you have some left over from your project that you
>>> would like to sell and are within a few hours drive of northern Arizona,
>>>
>> please let me know.
>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> crb@commspeed .net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Avionics Trays |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
You can see how I did mine here:
http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FinishKitAssyPg2.htm
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
> <>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>
> Ok folks ya got my attention:
>
> Since I'm just about to mount my trays I have a few questions. I bought an
> Apollo (UPS Aviation Technologies) stack (Audio, SL-30, GX-65 and SL-70)
> about a year or two before they merged with Garmin. Now I'm finally
> finishing the panel and about to install the trays. My ruler says that
> 3 of
> the trays are exactly 6 1/4 inches wide. The audio panel tray however
> (SL-10MS, actually a PS Engineering PMA 6000 with Apollo bezel), is about
> 1/32 wider. So....we been discussing the 6.25 vs 6.3 inch width issue here
> and I obviously can't install the mounting rails at 6.25 inches apart
> or I'm
> not going to be able to fit the audio panel in.
>
> What has everyone been doing for mounting rails for these trays? My
> plan is
> to use 1/16 aluminum angle (flush) riveted to the back of the instrument
> panel cutout at the tray's width apart. Is this a good plan or do you
> recommend doing something else (I already looked at Radio Rax, too
> spendy)?
> Is there a standard distance between the two rails that will allow me
> to add
> new radio technology later? If I make the rails 6.3 inches apart do I just
> add shims between the rails and the other (6.25 inch) trays? What do the
> avionics shops do? How do I mount the trays to the rail? I see two holes
> in the front and back (sides) of the trays, does one just match drill the
> rails to these holes and install screws and nuts? Do I need to use a flush
> head screw inside the tray to allow the radios to slide in? Or....is there
> a special fastener I use here?
>
> Tray position forward and aft. I heard some rumblings about the 480 not
> seating. Are we trying to get the back of the bezels to just touch the
> surface of the instrument panel (nicest looking installation) or do they
> need to stick out a little bit so we don't have seating problems? Is there
> a standard way to do this or do I just have to fiddle around with it until
> things match up? Should I slot the mounting holes in the aluminum rails a
> little to provide some wiggle room?
>
> I'm thinking that I'll make both the radio stack cutout in the panel
> and the
> aluminum rails the full height of the RV-6 panel. That way I can just make
> covers that I can remove later if I want to change radios and/or add
> something like the G430 or MX-20. I was also thinking that I should drill
> holes in the aluminum angle rails above and below my current stack to
> facilitate easy install of new trays later. Is there a standard dimension
> between the holes on the trays or between trays that I can use that will
> facilitate this (ie. Can I just drill holes in the mounting rails every
> inch)? Or is this just wishful thinking and I'll have to endure the
> pain of
> trying to do this later with the panel in the plane (yuck)? Any other
> words
> of wisdom on installing the radio stack? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Enjoying systems install after spending (8+) years as a tin-smith.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Hey, plastic planes are great. I just wouldnt buy a used one. These things
are amateur built with no way of proving the glass work was done correctly.
So you have 6 figures into them with no way of proving its worth.
I just need an inspection mirror and, if necessary, a rivet gauge. Oh yeah,
and I can do that in 40 years as well :)
If I had the money to throw away, I would build a plastic plane, like a
Lancair IVP. I dont.
do not archive
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial HorizonArtificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven Richmond" <steveandchris353@msn.com>
I've been flying with the Dynon D10A for a year and I love it. I still have the
vacuum attitude gyro. I'm a belt & suspenders kinda guy. I hope I never have
to revert to my turn and bank. Steve in TX RV6A
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| Subject: | "Boxing Out" Port-A-Port Standard T-Hangar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
To the list,
I am purchasing a standard (40' x 30') Port-A-Port T-Hangar next week. I am interested
in 'boxing out' the back of the T-hangar (approx. 12' x 16' each side)
to basically turn the T-Hangar into a modified box hangar in order to gain an
additional 384 square feet of floor space. All my Google searches on Port-A-Port
hangars seem to indicate the company is no longer in business...
Has anyone done this who would be willing to share the experience and pitfalls
of such a project? The local airport manager has given a preliminary 'thumbs
up' to the project. I'm looking for actual construction experience, plans/drawings,
or info as to whether or not a kit is available to do this mod, etc.
Feel free to email me offlist if you prefer.
Thanks.
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
www.jacklockamy.com
jacklockamy@verizon.net
N174JL RV-7A 137.0 hours
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
So after putting on 3 or 4 coats of primer, do I sand it down or leave it
sit for a couple of weeks before misting on the lacquer?
Is the lacquer being used as the indicator for high/low spots?
When doing wheel pants or any very curved parts, whats the best way to sand
them? Ive been using a wall board sander with a rubber mat you get at any
hardware store. Ive been using no finer than 100 grit, hoping the high
build primer will cover the sanding marks. I was told to try and use the
largest sanding block you can for evenness, although I have a feeling Im
going to have to use my palm for the final sanding.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Jeff,
> I built a glass airplane and "Smooth Prime" is the best pin hole
> filler. Its water based and is rolled on with a small foam roller. You
> will roll on several 4 to 6 layers of smooth prime only to sand it off.
> The stuff drys quickly ( in several hours in the warm south) and allows
> you to put on at least two applications a day. The key is when your
> done, let the items you filled "dry" for several weeks before painting.
> You can use aux heat to speed it up. The reason is to remove the water
> left in the smooth prime after finishing. Then you can paint it. I
> recommend you use a misting of black lacquer to provide an indicator of
> how you have left the surface. If any paint is left on the surface
> after sanding, you did not sand that area. So more smooth prime is added
> to raise the lower surface. It leaves a very nice surface. You can
> become quite anal on how nice you want the surface to look. In other
> words, "more is better, too much is enough"
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I have no axe to grind, I think RV's are great airplanes, someone else just
started tweaking my fiber glass nose though.
What I was trying to accomplish, was this. I was trying to dampen some of
the enthusiasm for all this low cost glass by pointing out the risks
involved. You, or anyone else, can fly whatever panel you like. Just
understand the ramifications and limitations of your decisions.
That's all. Now, with a collective sigh of relief heard from all, I'm done
with this topic.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Bundy
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@speedyquick.net>
At the risk of wasting bandwidth or encouraging you further, I have to
wonder exactly what you are trying to accomplish.
Personally, I think Glasair's are fine airplanes. However your comments are
a little silly. Sure, I'll race you, but we get to factor in the difference
in fuel bills and MPG once we get there. Outside loops? Ugh, no thanks.
But lets head over to some of the incredible mountain airstrips in my neck
of the woods. One of my favorites is 1500' long, sort of rough, and has
water on both ends. Also, if there are 1200 Glasairs flying as the factory
claims (is there still a factory? They've "restructured" so many times I'm
not sure) why is it that I rarely catch a glimpse of one? I guess they're
so fast it just makes them seem elusive. By contrast, with "only" 3.5x as
many RV's flying I see them at virtually every airport I visit.
Anyway, my point is that all airplanes have their uses and supporters, pros
and cons, and everyone makes their choice based on personal preference. Do
you really think that you are going to convert anyone on the RV LIST? Or
are you just trolling? Or perhaps they kicked you off the Glasair list.
Anyway, if you're ever out in the Boise area, I'd love to go for a ride, and
I'd be happy to reciprocate. Then I'll buy you a beer, and we can have a
good-natured discussion of our findings.
Ed Bundy
> Would you like to race? Or perhaps try an outside loop? How about
> a vertical
> cuban eight? Or fly your next trip at 240 KTAS.
>
> Bruce
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
No, they don't. The software is the same, the hardware is not. Take for
example the AHRS, the certified units use the Crossbow 500 series or better,
the non-certified units use the Crossbow 400 series. The 400 series has just
been flagged by a Crossbow SB as VFR use only. They found a few software
bugs they have to iron out. The 400 series AHRS are not certified.
FMI: http://www.xbow.com/Support/Support_pdf_files/Service_Letter_NAV425.pdf
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve&Anita Nyman
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
<<From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sure the companies make some rudimentary tests but
nothing like the full DO178 compliant tests required of certificated
electro-whizzys.>>
Chelton did. They use the same hardware and software in systems they sell
to the experimental market.
Steve
N174AS
MEM
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| Subject: | Interesting reading... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
http://www.aviationlawcorp.com/content/liabhomeblt.html
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado Springs
www.rv8a.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Bruce,
Yes, the RV v. plastic planes stuff was good natured, tongue in cheek
stuff that a couple interpreted as being more serious than it really was
(or at least I thought it was tongue in cheek!!!).
While I like my Velocity a lot, the RVs have some very fun
characteristics about them (that obviously make them very popular) that
I envy. It's all about mission profile. For me the Velocity is
perfect, for the next person, the RV is the only thing that works. I
know this with certainty; if I wanted to go into a 1500' mountain strip,
I ain't going there in a Velocity...though I may overfly the strip at
good speed and in considerable comfort, even after a several hour flight
getting there.
Chuck Jensen
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I have no axe to grind, I think RV's are great airplanes, someone else
just
started tweaking my fiber glass nose though.
What I was trying to accomplish, was this. I was trying to dampen some
of
the enthusiasm for all this low cost glass by pointing out the risks
involved. You, or anyone else, can fly whatever panel you like. Just
understand the ramifications and limitations of your decisions.
That's all. Now, with a collective sigh of relief heard from all, I'm
done
with this topic.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Well said!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Sun 1/22/2006 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Bruce,
Yes, the RV v. plastic planes stuff was good natured, tongue in cheek
stuff that a couple interpreted as being more serious than it really was
(or at least I thought it was tongue in cheek!!!).
While I like my Velocity a lot, the RVs have some very fun
characteristics about them (that obviously make them very popular) that
I envy. It's all about mission profile. For me the Velocity is
perfect, for the next person, the RV is the only thing that works. I
know this with certainty; if I wanted to go into a 1500' mountain strip,
I ain't going there in a Velocity...though I may overfly the strip at
good speed and in considerable comfort, even after a several hour flight
getting there.
Chuck Jensen
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting reading... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Bill, that is very interesting reading.
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5905#5905
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
The author of the origional thread has a very limited, narrow view of things.
Just because something is "certified" does not make it better or safer. That
kind of backwards thinking just hindres progress.
And yes, having a moving map IS safer, as it increases situational awareness.
There are many many dead people that have flown into terrain that would have lived
had they had a moving map display. Failures of people are much more common
than failures of moving map displays. For safety, I would take the best moving
map display with terrain displayed over "certified" round dials and vacuum
pumps any day.
Vacuum pumps are famous for failing, their antique design is very limited and they
fail more much more often than pizo-electric gyros. Only a complete moron
with the inability to adapt to anything new would say something is safer just
because it is "certified".
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5912#5912
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| Subject: | Re: General coment re instumentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Dave,
You're right, I missed your point. Gas is not cheap.
I do believe that if gas prices in the US have been as
expensive as Europe for the last 30 years, Americans
my not be so complacent about excess energy
consumption.
Skylor
--- "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol"
> <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
> You missed the point of my comment Skylor. I did not
> say that fuel was
> not "cheaper" in the US, I said that it was not
> "cheap".
> 3.50-4.50 per gallon in NOT cheap. I've been there
> and I know that it's
> more expensive in Europe, but that's because people
> there have even LESS
> control of government tax gouging than we do. I'm
> sure that they pay
> about the same wholesale price for oil that the US
> does but their
> governments add a LOT more taxes than ours does.
> That does NOT make our
> gas "cheap".
>
> Dave
> do not archive
>
> Skylor Piper wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper
> <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> >
> >There have been some interesting comments in this
> >thread. I feel the urge to respond to several of
> >them.
> >
> >
> >1. "Fuel is NOT cheaper in this country..."
> >
> >If you think fuel is expensive in the US, you have
> >obviously not bought gasoline in Germany & other
> >European countries...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | service instruction 1305c |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Steve,
I note that SI-1305C (Carburetor Nozzle Replacement - O-320-E2A, -E2D, -E26,
-E3D) is an active Service Instruction on the Index at the Lycoming web
site. However, it is not one of the downloadable ones (these are listed as
"most requested") so I assume you would have to request it from Lycoming. I
could not find it on Google either.
Pat Hatch
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RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Can anyone tell me where I might find a copy of Lycoming service instruction
1305c on the net?
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Bruce(at)glasair.org wrote:
> I really don't understand this rush to go out and bet your life on untested,
> uncertified instrumentation.
>
> Bruce
>
The author of the origional thread has a very limited, narrow view of things. Just
because something is "certified" does not make it better or safer. That kind
of backwards thinking just hindres progress. There is obviously stuff out
there that works, and stuff out there that does not. Its just a matter if having
the skill and intelligence to chose good equipment. Having a sticker that
says "certified" does not make something better, it just makes idiots feel better.
And yes, having a moving map IS safer than "certified" vacuum guages, as it increases
situational awareness. There are many many dead people that have flown
into terrain that would have lived had they had a moving map display. Failures
of people are much more common than failures of moving map displays. For safety,
I would take the best moving map display with terrain displayed over "certified"
round dials and vacuum pumps any day.
I would take a good electronic Horizon over a "certified" vacuum pump horizon any
day. Vacuum pumps are famous for failing, their antique design is very limited
and they fail more much more often than pizo-electric gyros. Only a complete
moron with the inability to adapt to anything new would say something is safer
just because it is "certified".
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Uncertified Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2006 6:12:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
If all these manufacturers were so
damn sure their products would pass, why didn't they test and certify them?
It would give them a leg up on the competition.
Bruce,
The reason that manufacturers don't do it is that it costs a huge amount of
money and once you do it limits your ability to make improvements to the
product.
We have been in the middle of certifying the AOA for over three years now.=20
We have passed DO-160 testing and we should have our first STC in the spring.
It has cost well over $75,000 to get it certified. We have made a number
of improvements to the AOA since we started certification and we currently=20are
selling the AOA Sport 3. The certified AOA Sport 1 unit that we could
start selling this summer is 3 generations old and is not as good as the one that
we make today, but it will be =E2=80=9CCertified=E2=80=9D. The paper work=20alone
will add
a major amount of cost to each unit that we sell and to be honest most people
are not willing to pay for it.
You forgot the really big benefit that you get once you start selling a
certified product. You are assured that you will be sued for every airplane
crash no madder what caused it. We currently have a customer that wants to
install a large number of AOA=E2=80=99s in Cessna Caravans. They have three Caravans
flying with the AOA and =E2=80=9Cmust have it=E2=80=9D. You would not even
believe the
conversations I have had with my insurance company over this one=E2=80=A6.
Cessna, Cirrus, ect=E2=80=A6 would tell you exactly the same thing about=20airframes
as you have said about avionics. There is no way that Lancair, Vans, or
Glassair have done the paper work and testing that the certified manufactures
have had to do. Does this automatically mean that a new RV-10 is not as=20safe
as a Cirrus? I don=E2=80=99t think so, and I can=E2=80=99t wait to load my family
in my
RV-10 with my uncertified EFIS , Engine Monitor, and AOA. I would also argue
that my RV-10 will be safer because of them.
Every year I have someone stop by the booth and tell me that our uncertified
product has saved their life. How many people would not be here today if
they had waited to install a certified instrument? How much higher would the
insurance that you pay be? I would bet that way more lives are saved because
of affordable, uncertified avionics.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <sears@searnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>
>> Boy !! ME TOO !!!
>> I hate fibreglas in any form but we have to suffer through it .
>> I finally found out about Ploy Fibre "Smooth Prime " ,after I had my
>> fingers bleeding just from sanding the parts the air sander couldn't
>> reach
> !!
>> I really regretted not knowing about "Smooth Prime" sooner. A couple of
>> coats , with easy sanding & it is done. NO PINHOLES !!!!!!!!
>> Try it - you'll like it.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, I didn't have the same results as Bob. I ended up sanding
> almost all of the Smooth Prime off of my fiberglass parts and lost about a
> week of work doing it. <snip>, is wet sandable (which was the
> problem I had with Smooth Prime), <smiip>
> Others have had very good luck with Smooth Prime; but, you do have other
> choices
> that may be more easily obtained.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
Jim, glad you made the statement about smooth prime not being wet sandable.
It is not wet sandable. It MUST be dry sanded as the directions on the can
state.
This has been reported and in the archives a year or three back. Good point
to restate it. I used it and liked it. Recommended to me by a person I
consider to be close to an expert on this type of work. Works great with
super fil if you have larger areas to fill in.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up 78 hours
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Certified!! Yea, that's why I fly an experimental. 205 mph on 160-hp, 7-8 gph,
sport acro, light IFR, cross country, 30 minute local evening fun flights...
and it's something I built, I maintain and paid less than $45,000 for. Yea
- find something FAA certified that fits that bill! [Rolling Eyes] You can't,
because federal oversight of general aviation stifles creativity, inflates costs
and slows progress.
Is that a certified plastic airplane you credit yourself with there, Bruce? [Wink]
Bryan Jones RV-8
Houston Texas
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
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Cc: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com>
Hi,
Various other posters have already covered most points, but since I've
done the adhesive canopy thing I'd like to add a few notes:
* Thanks to Chalkie for getting this great idea started with his Sport
Aviation article
* Sika is a bit of a pain to work with, but no where nearly as nasty as
proseal. If I had it to do over again, there's no way I'd even
consider using pop rivets.
* I really like that with Sika your canopy mates right up with your
windscreen - no need to make the fiberglass lip
* Before applying the black primer to the plexi, be very careful about
masking (duh)
* Rough up the rollbar powdercoat pretty good before applying the sika
prep clear fluid to it.
* Also apply masking tape to the rollbar where you don't want any sika
to stick.
* The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
the right angle.
* Although Sika says it is dry within a day(?), it really takes a few
weeks before it is as strong as it is ever going to be. When I did
some test pieces I was initially a bit concerned with the strength of
the bond but two weeks later it reached the point where I was breaking
plexy before sika would come off. (Not a very scientific test though).
* Use this 'slow dry' property to your advantage - if you need to
mechanically remove any sika that squeezes past masking tape, it is
much easier to do this the day after the lay-up than a week later.
* I had one helper for the actual bonding day of the windscreen to the
rollbar, I'd recommend two helpers. ;-)
* If you are doing sika, you probably want to make your aft skirt out
of fiberglass rather than aluminum. The fiberglass skirt only takes a
day to make and you can bond it with sika as well - no pop rivets
through the plexi and the frame.
* Like anything - doing it the first time takes _much_ longer. If you
can find someone local who's done it, buy em with beer to come help on
windscreen bonding day (canopy bonding is way easier). I'm happy to
help any SF Bay Area builder who decides to go this way...
(I think the current GLO custom photos on the VAF homepage show my
crummy masking job - fortunately Sika is paintable (and Grady friggen
rocks), so I've now decided that my rollbar should be black to match
the top of my plane)
Kevin
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--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
You can get "Smooth Prime " from Aircraft Spruce. Look in the fibreglas
section of their catalog - not in paint & primer.
Mix it in small (2 oz.) or so batches, it goes a long way and is too
expensive to waste.
Prepare for a snow storm in the shop,it sands off in lots of white stuff.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would like
Here are the observed conditions.
- At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
- At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
- I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
along it's edge.
- The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
- As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
into the wing all the way.
- with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch at
the most.
The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me to
reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
Thanks for any help
Tim
N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Kevin - thanks for posting that. Some useful additional points.
A question. If the Sika does go in the wrong place what is the solvent that
will move it or is it only removable mechanically?
No one has mentioned that....or perhaps I havnt noticed. Thanks, Steve.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hester" <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com>
Cc: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester
> <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Various other posters have already covered most points, but since I've
> done the adhesive canopy thing I'd like to add a few notes:
>
> * Thanks to Chalkie for getting this great idea started with his Sport
> Aviation article
> * Sika is a bit of a pain to work with, but no where nearly as nasty as
> proseal. If I had it to do over again, there's no way I'd even
> consider using pop rivets.
> * I really like that with Sika your canopy mates right up with your
> windscreen - no need to make the fiberglass lip
> * Before applying the black primer to the plexi, be very careful about
> masking (duh)
> * Rough up the rollbar powdercoat pretty good before applying the sika
> prep clear fluid to it.
> * Also apply masking tape to the rollbar where you don't want any sika
> to stick.
> * The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
> allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
> against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
> upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
> paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
> the right angle.
> * Although Sika says it is dry within a day(?), it really takes a few
> weeks before it is as strong as it is ever going to be. When I did
> some test pieces I was initially a bit concerned with the strength of
> the bond but two weeks later it reached the point where I was breaking
> plexy before sika would come off. (Not a very scientific test though).
> * Use this 'slow dry' property to your advantage - if you need to
> mechanically remove any sika that squeezes past masking tape, it is
> much easier to do this the day after the lay-up than a week later.
> * I had one helper for the actual bonding day of the windscreen to the
> rollbar, I'd recommend two helpers. ;-)
> * If you are doing sika, you probably want to make your aft skirt out
> of fiberglass rather than aluminum. The fiberglass skirt only takes a
> day to make and you can bond it with sika as well - no pop rivets
> through the plexi and the frame.
> * Like anything - doing it the first time takes _much_ longer. If you
> can find someone local who's done it, buy em with beer to come help on
> windscreen bonding day (canopy bonding is way easier). I'm happy to
> help any SF Bay Area builder who decides to go this way...
>
> (I think the current GLO custom photos on the VAF homepage show my
> crummy masking job - fortunately Sika is paintable (and Grady friggen
> rocks), so I've now decided that my rollbar should be black to match
> the top of my plane)
>
> Kevin
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Group,
At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from 10G-Holmes
Co. I made a couple of laps to make sure everything was within perimeters and
went South for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on runway 4. Smooth....no
problems.
After a snickers bar I flew back to 10G at 20 Squared and indicated
airspeed of 160 Kts. No heavy wing, no rudder tab needed!! I want to thank Vince
Welch for always having the right tool when I needed to borrow one and his
advice. Thanks to Keith Embry for his transition training which made this first
flight safe and uneventful.
Keep pounding those rivets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom 362CT
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Congratulations Tom & Cathy !!! Perfect day for it.
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| Subject: | Flying RV7 for sale ???? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "aflyer" <aflyer@lazy8.net>
Does anyone have or know of a flying RV7 for sale?
I have a friend looking for one.
Thanks, John
rv8 at lazy8.net
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Tim,
My RV-6A had a similar problem. The fiberglass tip fit and was even with
the wing everywhere but near the trailing edge. I ended up taking a hack
saw and slitting between the two halves of the tip at the trailing edge up
about 9-12" along the seam. I could then squeeze the two halves so that
they fit under the wing sheet metal. This had about 1-2" of the lower half
of the wing tip rear sticking out further than the top. I simply cut it off
even with the top and then fiberglass the two halves of the trailing edges
back together for a "near" perfect fit.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
> bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
> like
> Here are the observed conditions.
> - At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
> - At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
> - I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
> along it's edge.
> - The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
> - As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
> into the wing all the way.
> - with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch
> at
> the most.
>
> The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
> to
> reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim
> N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Hey Tim,
Heat, I do not think will help. I've heard some RV6 builders having this problem.
I think the fix was to fit and cleco the front of the tip, then slice the
aft center of tip till you get a good fit. Then you will re-glass inside and
fill outside. This happened I believe during a vendor change if my memory serves
me correct. You might give Van's a call...
Darrell
Tim Bryan <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would like
Here are the observed conditions.
- At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
- At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
- I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
along it's edge.
- The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
- As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
into the wing all the way.
- with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch at
the most.
The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me to
reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
Thanks for any help
Tim
N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Tom & Cathy,
CONGRATULATIONS !!!!
Happy Flying...
Darrell
Tom & Cathy Ervin <tcervin@valkyrie.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin"
Group,
At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from 10G-Holmes Co. I made
a couple of laps to make sure everything was within perimeters and went South
for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on runway 4. Smooth....no problems.
After a snickers bar I flew back to 10G at 20 Squared and indicated airspeed of
160 Kts. No heavy wing, no rudder tab needed!! I want to thank Vince Welch for
always having the right tool when I needed to borrow one and his advice. Thanks
to Keith Embry for his transition training which made this first flight safe
and uneventful.
Keep pounding those rivets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom 362CT
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Hi Jeff
You sand the first coatings down to the base material after
letting it dry for 6 to 8 hours. Then reapply another 3 to 5 coats and
let it dry over night. In the morning, sand it down again. With the
black lacquer misted over the coating before you sand, the black lacquer
will indicate where you have a low area. Continue this way until you
have the surface that you want. I had some areas on my Europa that
required some extra filling so I probably coated some areas 5 or 6 times
to bring it to the level and finish I wanted. I used a random orbital
sander to knock the smooth prime down. It comes off quickly with 180
grit (? if I remember- its been 4 years ago). It will be pin hole free
and look great. As I mentioned before, when you reach the end, let it
dry completely. At that point, you can put the primer coat on for the
paint you have chosen. There are many primer/fillers but most of them are
solvent based. The smooth prime is water based which is great. Only
required the stink paint primer once with a small bit of sanding and then
on to the colors---
Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Jeff,
Yes, the black lacquer is the indicator for low and hi spots. If
you are doing straight areas, then a sanding board will keep things flat.
Other than that, I used a small mouse pad like foam pad that I used
sticky back sanding paper attached to do the curvy portions. Some times,
fingers were necessary in some small areas. Its not all that bad.
considering I'm trying to bend the da-- frame on my slider to match the
curvature of the fuselage. Now that is @%
*$#(. I decided to slit the
square tubing in several places to get it to be in shape and then get it
welded back.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
> bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
> like
>>snip>>>
> The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
> to
> reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim
> N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
Don't bother trying to heat the wingtip. You'll just delaminate it and cause
yourself problems down the road.
Instead, split it along the trailing edge, fiddle until it fits, then epoxy
it back together. Put a thin layer of glass cloth over the trailing edge,
fill and sand, and it'll be as good as it should have been from the factory.
Is this the left or right tip? Everyone I know with 8-10 year old wingtips
had this problem, and it was always one side. The left, if I recall.
Kyle Boatright
RV-6 N46KB
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Way to go Tom! Congrats and happy flying
Tim
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin
Cc: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: First Flight
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Group,
At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from
10G-Holmes Co. I made a couple of laps to make sure everything was within
perimeters and went South for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on
runway 4. Smooth....no problems.
After a snickers bar I flew back to 10G at 20 Squared and
indicated airspeed of 160 Kts. No heavy wing, no rudder tab needed!! I want
to thank Vince Welch for always having the right tool when I needed to
borrow one and his advice. Thanks to Keith Embry for his transition
training which made this first flight safe and uneventful.
Keep pounding those rivets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom 362CT
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Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Well that is 2 for 2 on the soloution. Guess I will get my saw out even
though I wasn't wanting to do something quite that drastic. Maybe I will go
back and cut the other one while I am at it since it wasn't great.
Thanks a bunch for the help.
Tim Bryan
N616TB
Flying by April
-------Original Message-------
From: Ed Anderson
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Tim,
My RV-6A had a similar problem. The fiberglass tip fit and was even with
the wing everywhere but near the trailing edge. I ended up taking a hack
saw and slitting between the two halves of the tip at the trailing edge up
about 9-12" along the seam. I could then squeeze the two halves so that
they fit under the wing sheet metal. This had about 1-2" of the lower half
of the wing tip rear sticking out further than the top. I simply cut it off
even with the top and then fiberglass the two halves of the trailing edges
back together for a "near" perfect fit.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
> bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
> like
> Here are the observed conditions.
> - At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
> - At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
> - I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
> along it's edge.
> - The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
> - As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
> into the wing all the way.
> - with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch
> at
> the most.
>
> The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
> to
> reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim
> N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Interesting Kyle, It is the left wingtip. What is the chance the newer
wingtips from the -7 would fit my wings? Ah never mind, I just remembered
my lighting setup would have to be modified to accomodate the new lights in
the front corner.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: Kyle Boatright
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
> bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
> like
>>snip>>>
> The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
> to
> reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim
> N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
Don't bother trying to heat the wingtip. You'll just delaminate it and cause
yourself problems down the road.
Instead, split it along the trailing edge, fiddle until it fits, then epoxy
it back together. Put a thin layer of glass cloth over the trailing edge,
fill and sand, and it'll be as good as it should have been from the factory.
Is this the left or right tip? Everyone I know with 8-10 year old wingtips
had this problem, and it was always one side. The left, if I recall.
Kyle Boatright
RV-6 N46KB
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Paul,
NAFCO
National Aircraft Finance Company
P.O. Drawer 7050
Lakeland, FL. 33807
863.644.8463
Fax 863.646.1671
Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
Darrell
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Where in Texas is someone looking for a hangar?
-------Original Message-------
From: Darrell Reiley
Subject: Re: RV-List: Financing
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Paul,
NAFCO
National Aircraft Finance Company
P.O. Drawer 7050
Lakeland, FL. 33807
863.644.8463
Fax 863.646.1671
Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
Darrell
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Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Paul Besing wrote:
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>
>Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
>RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
>
>Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
>
>Paul Besing
>
I financed my 1st RV-4 back in 1994 through my employee credit union.
They treated it the same as an rv (lower case) or boat. Max duration of
the loan was 4 years & the rate was a bit higher than a car for that
type of loan with that credit uinion at that time. They had never, to my
knowledge, financed a plane before. They asked for an appraisal & hull
insurance equal to the loan amount, & it was pretty simple & painless,
otherwise.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 22 Jan 2006, at 19:08, James H Nelson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Hi Jeff
> You sand the first coatings down to the base material after
> letting it dry for 6 to 8 hours. Then reapply another 3 to 5 coats
> and
> let it dry over night.
How accurate do you need to be when you mix the two parts of the
Smooth Prime? The directions make it seem like you need to be very
precise, which doesn't seem easy if you do many batches.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I believe Paul stated he was coming to FT Hood... I have a friend that has one
in Georgetown, TX... just a hop from Killeen...
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Tim Bryan <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan"
Where in Texas is someone looking for a hangar?
-------Original Message-------
From: Darrell Reiley
Subject: Re: RV-List: Financing
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
Paul,
NAFCO
National Aircraft Finance Company
P.O. Drawer 7050
Lakeland, FL. 33807
863.644.8463
Fax 863.646.1671
Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
Darrell
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Paul Besing
wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
Paul Besing
---------------------------------
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Thanks. I've applied through NAFCO, just wasn't sure
if there is anything better out there, better service,
etc.
I think I'm gonna get a hangar at Skylark (KILE) if
they have some available by May.
Paul Besing
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> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> NAFCO
> National Aircraft Finance Company
> P.O. Drawer 7050
> Lakeland, FL. 33807
> 863.644.8463
> Fax 863.646.1671
>
> Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
>
> Darrell
>
> do not archive
>
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>
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>
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>
> Paul Besing
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Fort Hood/Killeen area. I think I may have found one
at Skylark.
Paul Besing
--- Tim Bryan <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com> wrote:
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> <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
> Where in Texas is someone looking for a hangar?
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Darrell Reiley
> Date: 01/22/06 17:18:27
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Financing
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> NAFCO
> National Aircraft Finance Company
> P.O. Drawer 7050
> Lakeland, FL. 33807
> 863.644.8463
> Fax 863.646.1671
>
> Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
>
> Darrell
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
Congrats on the first flight. I am curious about your comment below about
using a "20 squared" power setting on a presumably new or fresh overhauled
engine. Would you comment on that?
Regards,
Hawkeye Hughes
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Cc: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: First Flight
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>
> Group,
> At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from
> 10G-Holmes Co. I made a couple of laps to make sure everything was within
> perimeters and went South for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on
> runway 4. Smooth....no problems.
> After a snickers bar I flew back to 10G at 20 Squared and
> indicated airspeed of 160 Kts. No heavy wing, no rudder tab needed!! I
> want to thank Vince Welch for always having the right tool when I needed
> to borrow one and his advice. Thanks to Keith Embry for his transition
> training which made this first flight safe and uneventful.
> Keep pounding those rivets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Tom 362CT
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Yes Mickey, just like in Europe, most of the press in this country (9 out of
10 reporters are leftists) loves to use scare tactics and lies to make us
feel guilty and put the heat on the politicians to enact draconian measures
(and higher taxes) to save us from ourselves. As the saying goes...tell a
lie long enough and people begin to believe it is the truth. What makes
Europeans think that paying more money to their government is going to bring
them wonderful new sources of energy at reasonable prices? Look at social
security in the US, it was originally to be set aside and used only for
retirement of the people who paid it. Of course it wasn't long before the
politician's appetites for social programs (the "great" society) and vote
buying put a stop to that.
As far reducing consumption...do the Europeans really think that if someone
were to come up with the ultimate energy source (that's totally renewable
and infinitely plentiful) that the socialist governments wouldn't tax the
hell out of it too? If they do then they're living in the dream world of
Carl Marx. I figured that when that huge deposit of oil was discovered in
the North Sea years ago that maybe the Euros would lower some of the taxes
now that they have their own supply, boy was I dreamin! The European
socialist system is going to have to collapse of its own Marxist tendencies
before anybody over there will do anything to lower taxes or regulation.
But take heart, if all those Islamic folks the Euros have been importing
take over the French and British governments and try to nuke the USA, the
major portion of western Europe will be wiped out by the counterstrike and
they won't have to worry about fuel taxes!!
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Just full of joyful news!
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--------------original message---------------------
>Europeans do complain about the high taxes on fuel, they see them as a
>necessary evil to reduce their consumption, encourage alternative energy
>development, and finance public transportation.
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVE MADER" <davemader@bresnan.net>
After 20 hrs. on my newly completed rv6, I am undecided as to what to do as
far as changing the pitch of my Sensenich fixed pitch prop. At full throttle,
I am seeing 2850 rpm. and nearly 2450 static. I have an 0-360 with 9.5
compression pistons and supposedly it puts out close to 195 h.p. The tach has
been checked with an optical tachometer and is accurate. The climb rate right
now is close to 2000 fpm and top speed is over 210 mph. I like the
performance, just not sure I want to live with the higher rpms. I know I can
throttle back to stay under red line, but am I then limiting my horsepower?
Would my climb rate suffer much with more pitch? Anybody else had this
situation and repitched? Just looking for some feedback.
Dave Mader
2nd 6/20hrs.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Just wanted to check, might give the one in Georgetown up very soon... At only
$200.00 a month it's a deal. There is a two year +++ waiting list.
Regards,
Darrell
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Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
Thanks. I've applied through NAFCO, just wasn't sure
if there is anything better out there, better service,
etc.
I think I'm gonna get a hangar at Skylark (KILE) if
they have some available by May.
Paul Besing
--- Darrell Reiley
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
>
>
> Paul,
>
> NAFCO
> National Aircraft Finance Company
> P.O. Drawer 7050
> Lakeland, FL. 33807
> 863.644.8463
> Fax 863.646.1671
>
> Still looking for a hanger in Texas?
>
> Darrell
>
> do not archive
>
> Paul Besing
wrote:
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> RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
>
> Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
>
> Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Dave: repitching, like FP props themselves, is a mixed bag. I was running over
redline too easily with my Sensenich after upgrading the O-320 to the 160 hp
pistons, (2600 rpm) so I took it to Sensenich Prop Service in Lancaster, PA and
added 2". Much less overspeeding in gradual descents from cruise, but a lower
ROC and static now 2150-2200 depending on the wind, baro, etc, which is also
down a good 50-75 rpm. The tradeoffs were exactly what I was told to expect.
I get about 1300 fpm solo; plenty for me, but not much by RV standards. The
red warning light for rpm no longer comes on much in 75% cruise, which makes
the wife happier somoehow.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: DAVE MADER <davemader@bresnan.net>
Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:24:44 -0700
Subject: RV-List: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch?
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVE MADER" <davemader@bresnan.net>
After 20 hrs. on my newly completed rv6, I am undecided as to what to do as
far as changing the pitch of my Sensenich fixed pitch prop. At full throttle,
I am seeing 2850 rpm. and nearly 2450 static. I have an 0-360 with 9.5
compression pistons and supposedly it puts out close to 195 h.p. The tach has
been checked with an optical tachometer and is accurate. The climb rate right
now is close to 2000 fpm and top speed is over 210 mph. I like the
performance, just not sure I want to live with the higher rpms. I know I can
throttle back to stay under red line, but am I then limiting my horsepower?
Would my climb rate suffer much with more pitch? Anybody else had this
situation and repitched? Just looking for some feedback.
Dave Mader
2nd 6/20hrs.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations Tom!!!
Richard Dudley
-6A 72 hours
Tom & Cathy Ervin wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>
>Group,
> At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from 10G-Holmes
Co. I made a couple of laps to make sure everything was within perimeters and
went South for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on runway 4. Smooth....no
problems.
> After a snickers bar I flew back to 10G at 20 Squared and indicated
airspeed of 160 Kts. No heavy wing, no rudder tab needed!! I want to thank Vince
Welch for always having the right tool when I needed to borrow one and his
advice. Thanks to Keith Embry for his transition training which made this first
flight safe and uneventful.
> Keep pounding those rivets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Tom 362CT
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tax, euros |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
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>
>Yes Mickey, just like in Europe, most of the press in this country (9 out of
>10 reporters are leftists) loves to use scare tactics and lies to make us
>feel guilty and put the heat on the politicians to enact draconian measures
>(and higher taxes) to save us from ourselves. As the saying goes...tell a
>lie long enough and people begin to believe it is the truth. What makes
>Europeans think that paying more money to their government is going to bring
>them wonderful new sources of energy at reasonable prices? Look at social
>security in the US, it was originally to be set aside and used only for
>retirement of the people who paid it. Of course it wasn't long before the
>politician's appetites for social programs (the "great" society) and vote
>buying put a stop to that.
>
<snipped>
Sorry Dean, but this deserves an answer. I wholeheartedly agree with
your statement that if a lie is told long (often) enough, people will
begin to believe it. But....
Considering the events of the last 3 years, laying 'scare tactics' at
the feet of the media just doesn't ring true for me.
Our current administration has told us just about every lie it can come
up with to keep us terrified (& to fill the coffers of Haliburton at our
expense). These aren't just your average lies, either. A lot of good
people are dying because of them.
You also might want to check on the history of Social Security. It was
originally configured as assistance to retired persons who couldn't
support themselves, & payments began and have continued to be made out
of current revenue, not from funds contributed by retirees prior to
retirement. The bill was signed into law in Aug 1935, 1st appropriations
in Feb 11,1936, 1st payments made Feb 13, 1936.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)
http://www.ssa.gov/history/1930.html
Now, I'm not saying that the organization of Soc Sec is a good thing,
just pointing out reality.
Charlie
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." Quoted in 1918, by REPUBLICAN President Theodore
Roosevelt...what would Teddy say now?
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country. It works the same in every country.
-Herman Goering, Hitler's Riechsmarschall at the Nuremberg Trials
(sorry guys, but 'he started it' :-) )
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--> RV-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Paul,
How are you? I came across your card from OSH the other day, btw. I
haven't financed an RV, but I did an article on kit financing for
Kitplanes magazine in the Oct 2004 issue. I'll save the you trouble of
trying to find it, though <g>. You're in luck - RVs are about the most
widely accepted kit aircraft on the market by bankers. I spoke to
officers from NAFCO (Jim Janssen - 800/999-3712 - www.airloans.com) and
Mike Jacobs, who is the president of First Pryority Bank in Pryor, OK
(800/462-7032 - www.1st-of-pryor.com). The only kit Mike will consider
(as of our last interview) is the RV. There were some new comers to the
kit financing market at the last OSH, and if you still have your vendor
list, you'll probably find a few.
I hope this helps, and if you need to contact me off-list, just let me know.
best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
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>Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
>RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
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>Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Tom,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
>To: <ohiovalleyrvators@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:01:05 -0500
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
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>Group,
> At 12:10 today another RV6-A took it's first flight from
>10G-Holmes Co. I made a couple of laps to make sure everything was within
>perimeters and went South for ZZV-Zanesville and shot my first landing on
>runway 4. Smooth....no problems.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Hi Paul,
We used NAFCO - They were great to deal with.
Chuck
>From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Financing
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:38:58 -0800 (PST)
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>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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>Wonder if anyone has any input on who to contact for
>RV financing (or who NOT to contact).
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>Any experiences shared would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>I am seeing 2850 rpm. and nearly 2450 static.
Full throttle where? 8000' density altitude? That is where I get
2700 RPM at full throttle.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Mr. Bigelow,
I can assure you that my view of things are just as wide as yours. My
profession requires me often to think "outside the box". You may disagree
with some of my statements or ideas, but don't even try to denigrate my
intelligence.
The new electronics coming on the market are great, I have 2 moving maps on
my panel (G530/430), well 3 actually if you count the EHSI. I never said
that certified was better, I said that certified implied that the product
had gone through a known level of testing and would deliver its specified
function. How long it would function (MTBF) was not addressed. Certification
implies that it will do what its supposed to do, no more.
In my narrow world view of things, I'll take the promise of certification
over the words of a basement engineer any day. Yea, yea, I know,
electro-wizzies last 10,000 hours MTBF. There's a elegant engineering
principal that states, "The more complex solution is not as reliable as a
simple, low parts count solution". Or to put it another way, reliability is
inversely proportional to the parts count.
One other thing, a properly maintained vacuum system is just as reliable as
your electro-whizzy. Wet oil pumps last 2-3,000 hours. And those vacuum
gyros just keep spinning when everything else goes dark.
My Glasair III has vacuum and electric gyros, 2 compass systems, 2
alternators, 2 vacuum systems and one battery. I fly a lot of hard IFR.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
The author of the origional thread has a very limited, narrow view of
things. Just because something is "certified" does not make it better or
safer. That kind of backwards thinking just hindres progress.
And yes, having a moving map IS safer, as it increases situational
awareness. There are many many dead people that have flown into terrain
that would have lived had they had a moving map display. Failures of people
are much more common than failures of moving map displays. For safety, I
would take the best moving map display with terrain displayed over
"certified" round dials and vacuum pumps any day.
Vacuum pumps are famous for failing, their antique design is very limited
and they fail more much more often than pizo-electric gyros. Only a
complete moron with the inability to adapt to anything new would say
something is safer just because it is "certified".
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5912#5912
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVE MADER" <davemader@bresnan.net>
Ron
I guess I haven't figured density altitude. Full throttle at between 6 &
7000' on 40/50 degree days.
Dave
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:31:04 -0700
Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
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