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1. 01:42 AM - Re: I HATE PINHOLES (RAS)
2. 02:45 AM - Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES ()
3. 03:24 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? (Kevin Horton)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (N395V)
6. 05:31 AM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Richard Seiders)
7. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Steve Eberhart)
8. 06:13 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
9. 06:49 AM - I HATE PINHOLES (James H Nelson)
10. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator (Pat Hatch)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
12. 07:51 AM - Re: Uncertified Artificial Horizon (Bruce Gray)
13. 08:06 AM - Re: Fuel tax, euros (James H Nelson)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Tim Bryan)
15. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Ron Lee)
16. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
17. 10:10 AM - Re: Artificial Horizon (Steve&Anita Nyman)
18. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (Vern W.)
19. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Pat Hatch)
20. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (Mickey Coggins)
21. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
22. 11:52 AM - Re: Artifical Horizon (Corey Crawford)
23. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bruce Gray)
24. 01:38 PM - Re: Fuel tax, euros....off topic, delete now (you are fore warned) (LarryRobertHelming)
25. 03:36 PM - RV Wiki Featured Article (Tedd McHenry)
26. 05:22 PM - Re: Wingtip has twist (Jeff Dowling)
27. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (gert)
28. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes (Jeff Dowling)
29. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Jeff Dowling)
30. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Jerry Springer)
31. 07:08 PM - Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (N395V)
32. 07:11 PM - first real dimples (Dan)
33. 07:29 PM - Re: first real dimples (Dan Beadle)
34. 08:18 PM - "Excess" Energy use! (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
35. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Bill Schlatterer)
36. 09:12 PM - Re: first real dimples (Dave Nellis)
37. 09:39 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Mannan J. Thomason)
38. 10:14 PM - Shop Tool ? (Dan)
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| Subject: | Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Akzo Aerospace Finishes does a product called "static conditioner". It's a
white milky thick liquid that is applied by brush in circular motions or by
squeegee. Let it dry for about an hour and remove excess by scotchbrite. Do
not use blown gun but use a tackrag. Then apply a coat of Laminar X500
surfacer which will seal in the static conditioner and provide a real hard
surface to sand or paintprep on so that one doesn't sand into the fibers of
the cloth. Maybe not cheap, but fast and effective. It's used among other on
Boeing and Bombardier compositesamong other applications.
The static conditioner is applied straight out of the tin, just stir before
use. A litre of each should be sufficient for both cowlings and the roof
(RV10) and wingtips
If you use any other filler, make sure it's in near liquid state so that the
product can be either forced into the pinhole or run into it. If not, the
product will "bridge" the hole and when you ssand open up again, with the
added bonus of eventually damaging the fibers by repeating the procedure a
number of times.
For effective filling, use a crosscoat system,similar to when you're
spraying.
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| Subject: | Re: >Re: I HATE PINHOLES |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> Jim, glad you made the statement about smooth prime not being wet
sandable.
> It is not wet sandable. It MUST be dry sanded as the directions on the
can
> state.
>
Larry's right. At the time I used it, I had the can and the instruction
manual. Maybe it was assumed I'd dry sand. The instructions said nothing
about it. Since we do a lot of wet sanding on RV's, that's what I did with
the Smooth Prime. What scared me about the stuff was that it would raise in
tiny bubbles while being sanded. Those would leave pock marks about the
size of pin heads. I then tried dry sanding the stuff; but, I was afraid
the lifting would also happen while paint was being applied. It's wet,
also. I got rid of it and went with a fast fill primer, instead. If I ever
build a glass airplane, I may try Smooth Prime, again; but, there's a very
slim chance I'll build a glass airplane. In the meantime, I'll use the fast
fill primer that matches the paint I'll be using.
I just thought I'd let our folks know that not all are happy with the stuff.
It does have drawbacks.
Jim Sears in KY
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol@microsigma.fr>
Good thing this thread was not started in France - As a builder of a tin can
airplane (RV8), I frequently engage in friendly arguments with wood/cloth
airplanes such as Ministrel, Emeraude (from which the CAP 10 was derived)
and plenty of others. There never is a winner but we have lots of fun
battling things out.
Michele
RV8 - Fuselage
PS would never build a plastic airplane or a match-stick/rags one.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: dimanche 22 janvier 2006 19:20
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
The author of the origional thread has a very limited, narrow view of
things. Just because something is "certified" does not make it better or
safer. That kind of backwards thinking just hindres progress.
And yes, having a moving map IS safer, as it increases situational
awareness. There are many many dead people that have flown into terrain
that would have lived had they had a moving map display. Failures of people
are much more common than failures of moving map displays. For safety, I
would take the best moving map display with terrain displayed over
"certified" round dials and vacuum pumps any day.
Vacuum pumps are famous for failing, their antique design is very limited
and they fail more much more often than pizo-electric gyros. Only a
complete moron with the inability to adapt to anything new would say
something is safer just because it is "certified".
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5912#5912
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich prop & not enough pitch? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 22 Jan 2006, at 21:24, DAVE MADER wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVE MADER" <davemader@bresnan.net>
>
> After 20 hrs. on my newly completed rv6, I am undecided as to what
> to do as
> far as changing the pitch of my Sensenich fixed pitch prop. At
> full throttle,
> I am seeing 2850 rpm. and nearly 2450 static. I have an 0-360 with
> 9.5
> compression pistons and supposedly it puts out close to 195 h.p.
> The tach has
> been checked with an optical tachometer and is accurate. The climb
> rate right
> now is close to 2000 fpm and top speed is over 210 mph. I like the
> performance, just not sure I want to live with the higher rpms. I
> know I can
> throttle back to stay under red line, but am I then limiting my
> horsepower?
> Would my climb rate suffer much with more pitch? Anybody else had
> this
> situation and repitched? Just looking for some feedback.
If you need to throttle back to keep the rpm where you want it, then
you are sacrificing a lot of power. In this case, a bit more pitch
should yield better cruise performance, as you would make more power
in cruise with the higher throttle opening that you could use. The
climb rate will decrease a bit, but it should still be quite
acceptable. Given that you spend a lot more time in cruise than you
do climbing, it may be worthwhile to sacrifice the climb to improve
the cruise.
Sensenich should be able to work with you to determine how much pitch
change is needed.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
> I'll take the promise of certification
> over the words of a basement engineer any day. Yea, yea, I know,
> electro-wizzies......
Below is a short BIO of Greg Richter of Blue Mountain one of those "basemant engineers"
:)
Richter is a graduate of Georgia Tech holding a Bachelor of Electrical Engineering
and is a Grumman Aerospace scholar and a member of the IEEE. Richter has been
involved in software, systems engineering, RF, analog and digital electronic
design for over 20 years. 8)
I have 2 BMA EFIS, 2 external comnavs, 1 alternator 2 batteries and a flight Cheetah
210 with solid state harddrive in my F1. I fly a lot of IFR when there is
no chance of icing and no TSTMs.
As I have 2 separate electro whizzie systems I do so with confidence and, in my
mind, the same degree of safety I would have with a certified system or 3.
The word certified to me instills no confidence the certification standards put
out by the FAA are just as likely to have been developed by a lifelong anministrative
engineer as by a techno geek.
If you have been around long enough you have encountered "Certified "Flight Instructors,
"Certified" mechanics, "Certified" Doctor's, etc,etc...................
Some of whom are idiots.
The key to safety is to have backup and to understand the limitations of the systems
you are using. These electro whizzies have been around long enough to have
a track record that "implies" they are safe and reliable.
Now I must go and install some rear view mirrors on my Rocket so I can enjoy the
look of awe on the face of Velocity drivers as I whizzzzzz by them. :P
My next plane is going to be a plastic Radial Rocket with Bluemountain whizzies.
I reallly the Glasairs but can't fit in one.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6085#6085
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
Tim, this is probably a dumb question, but did you trim the inner edge to fit?
Dick
At 05:16 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
>bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would like
> Here are the observed conditions.
> - At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
>- At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
>- I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
>along it's edge.
>- The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
>- As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
>into the wing all the way.
>- with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch at
>the most.
>
>The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me to
>reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
>Thanks for any help
>Tim
>N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Hi Bruce,
I am building an RV-7A and really appreciate you coming over to our RV
building list to try and save our lives. Are you doing this for all of
the aircraft type specific mail lists? One can only hope so. There are
so many lives to save and so little time to do it you must be a very
busy man. So that you don't have to spend so much time participating in
the hundreds of type specific mail lists, even though I am sure they all
welcome your participation as much as we do, may I suggest you leave our
group and hang out at the ExperimentalAvionics@yahoogroups.com mail
list. That way you can have an audience of people interested in
discussing experimental avionics.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your
carefully thought out posts warning us of the perils of using
experimental avionics and look forward to your participation in the
ExperimentalAvionics@yahoogroups.com mail list.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve Eberhart
U.S. Air Force trained Instrument System Technician,
Software Engineer, RV-7A builder
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Mr. Bigelow,
>
>I can assure you that my view of things are just as wide as yours. My
>profession requires me often to think "outside the box". You may disagree
>with some of my statements or ideas, but don't even try to denigrate my
>intelligence.
>
>The new electronics coming on the market are great, I have 2 moving maps on
>my panel (G530/430), well 3 actually if you count the EHSI. I never said
>that certified was better, I said that certified implied that the product
>had gone through a known level of testing and would deliver its specified
>function. How long it would function (MTBF) was not addressed. Certification
>implies that it will do what its supposed to do, no more.
>
>In my narrow world view of things, I'll take the promise of certification
>over the words of a basement engineer any day. Yea, yea, I know,
>electro-wizzies last 10,000 hours MTBF. There's a elegant engineering
>principal that states, "The more complex solution is not as reliable as a
>simple, low parts count solution". Or to put it another way, reliability is
>inversely proportional to the parts count.
>
>One other thing, a properly maintained vacuum system is just as reliable as
>your electro-whizzy. Wet oil pumps last 2-3,000 hours. And those vacuum
>gyros just keep spinning when everything else goes dark.
>
>My Glasair III has vacuum and electric gyros, 2 compass systems, 2
>alternators, 2 vacuum systems and one battery. I fly a lot of hard IFR.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Dean,
The MD200-306 has internal lighting. But one gottcha.... Be sure that you
don't
put a dimmer circuit on it as it also has it's own internal dimmer...
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
525 Hrs in 2.5 Years...
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <
dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net <mailto:dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> >
I have a VOR/ILS indicator made by Mid Content Instruments (MD200-306)
and I
am trying to figure out if it is lighted internally or if I need to
supply
some sort of lighting. The (Spartan) instruction manual shows
lighting
connections but I'm not sure if they are for the annunciator lights or
for
full facial lighting. Those who've used this instrument in your
panels, do
you remember if it is internally lit or will I need to supply post
lights or
something similar? I emailed Mid Content Instruments several days ago
about
this but apparently their entire technical support department is on an
extended vacation! Thanks for all the help.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Panel
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Kevin,
I believe that Poly Fiber provides a measuring device to get the
correct blend. I used a paint mixer on my drill to mix it completely.
Then washed it off to keep it clean. If you don't, it hardens and you
have to scrape it off. :-(( I did my applications in small batches
to keep it from getting hard while applying. I used Home despot for
trays and rollers to put the smooth prime on.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Fred,
My pinout diagram for the MD200-306 shows that pin #23 goes to the 14 volt
dimmer, pin # 22 goes to either a 28 volt dimmer or to ground in the case of
a 14 volt dimmer. Pin # 19 is for 14 v input and pin # 21 is the power
ground. I wired mine this way and it dims very nicely with the dimmer
circuit. I was not aware that it had an internal dimmer as well. Can you
clarify?
Documentation is sparse but I do have the pinout if anyone needs a copy.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR"
<Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Dean,
The MD200-306 has internal lighting. But one gottcha.... Be sure that you
don't
put a dimmer circuit on it as it also has it's own internal dimmer...
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
525 Hrs in 2.5 Years...
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck, you
guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan. If not, there's always the 'cat
and duck' method of IFR flying.
For those not familure with the 'cat and duck' method, here's a description,
THE CAT & DUCK METHOD OF IFR FLYING:
Today's flight age is an era highlighted with increasing emphasis
on safety. Instrumentation in the cockpit and in the traffic
control tower has reached new peaks of electronic perfection to
assist the pilot during take-offs , flight , and landings. For
whimsical contrast to these and other marvels of scientific
flight engineering , it is perhaps opportune to remind pilots of
the basic rules concerning the so-called Cat-and-Duck Method of
Flight , just in case something goes wrong with any of these new-
fangled flying instruments you find in today's aircraft.
Place a live cat on the cockpit floor. Because a cat always
remains upright , he or she can be used in lieu of a needle and
ball. Merely watch to see which way the cat leans to determine
if a wing is low and , if so , which one.
The duck is used for the instrument approach and landing.
Because any sensible duck will refuse to fly under instrument
conditions, it is only necessary to hurl your duck out of the
plane and follow her to the ground.
There are some limitations to the Cat-and-Duck Method, but
by rigidly adhering to the following check list , a degree of
success will be achieved.
1. Get a wide-awake cat. Most cats do not want to stand up
at all, at any time. It may be necessary to get a large fierce
dog in the cockpit to keep the cat at attention.
2. Make sure your cat is clean. Dirty cats will spend all
their time washing. Trying to follow a cat licking itself
usually results in a tight snap roll, followed by an inverted (or
flat) spin. You can see this is very unsanitary.
3. Old cats are best. Young cats have nine lives, but an
old used-up cat with only one life left has just as much to lose
an you do and will therefore be more dependable.
4. Beware of cowardly ducks. If the duck discovers that
you are using the cat to stay upright - or straight and level-
she will refuse to leave without the cat. Ducks are no better on
instruments than you are.
5. Be sure the duck has good eyesight. Nearsighted ducks
sometimes will go flogging off into the nearest hill. Very
short-sighted ducks will not realize they have been thrown out
and will descend to the ground in a sitting position. This
maneuver is quite difficult to follow in an airplane.
6. Use land-loving ducks. It is very discouraging to break
out and find yourself on final approach for some farm pound in
Iowa. Also, the farmers there suffer from temporary insanity
when chasing crows off their corn fields and will shoot anything
that flies.
7. Choose your duck carefully. It is easy to confuse ducks
with geese because many water birds look alike. While they are
very competent instrument flyers , geese seldom want to go in the
same direction you do. If your duck heads off for the Okefenokee
Swamp, you may be sure you have been given the goose.
From: http://www.anvari.org/shortjoke/Aviation/1404.html
Keep your sense of humor, guys.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eberhart
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Hi Bruce,
I am building an RV-7A and really appreciate you coming over to our RV
building list to try and save our lives. Are you doing this for all of
the aircraft type specific mail lists? One can only hope so. There are
so many lives to save and so little time to do it you must be a very
busy man. So that you don't have to spend so much time participating in
the hundreds of type specific mail lists, even though I am sure they all
welcome your participation as much as we do, may I suggest you leave our
group and hang out at the ExperimentalAvionics@yahoogroups.com mail
list. That way you can have an audience of people interested in
discussing experimental avionics.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your
carefully thought out posts warning us of the perils of using
experimental avionics and look forward to your participation in the
ExperimentalAvionics@yahoogroups.com mail list.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve Eberhart
U.S. Air Force trained Instrument System Technician,
Software Engineer, RV-7A builder
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Mr. Bigelow,
>
>I can assure you that my view of things are just as wide as yours. My
>profession requires me often to think "outside the box". You may disagree
>with some of my statements or ideas, but don't even try to denigrate my
>intelligence.
>
>The new electronics coming on the market are great, I have 2 moving maps on
>my panel (G530/430), well 3 actually if you count the EHSI. I never said
>that certified was better, I said that certified implied that the product
>had gone through a known level of testing and would deliver its specified
>function. How long it would function (MTBF) was not addressed.
Certification
>implies that it will do what its supposed to do, no more.
>
>In my narrow world view of things, I'll take the promise of certification
>over the words of a basement engineer any day. Yea, yea, I know,
>electro-wizzies last 10,000 hours MTBF. There's a elegant engineering
>principal that states, "The more complex solution is not as reliable as a
>simple, low parts count solution". Or to put it another way, reliability is
>inversely proportional to the parts count.
>
>One other thing, a properly maintained vacuum system is just as reliable as
>your electro-whizzy. Wet oil pumps last 2-3,000 hours. And those vacuum
>gyros just keep spinning when everything else goes dark.
>
>My Glasair III has vacuum and electric gyros, 2 compass systems, 2
>alternators, 2 vacuum systems and one battery. I fly a lot of hard IFR.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List:Uncertified Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
You're preaching to the choir, Rob. I have your AOA Pro in my airplane.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:Uncertified Artificial Horizon
--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2006 6:12:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
If all these manufacturers were so
damn sure their products would pass, why didn't they test and certify them?
It would give them a leg up on the competition.
Bruce,
The reason that manufacturers don't do it is that it costs a huge amount of
money and once you do it limits your ability to make improvements to the
product.
We have been in the middle of certifying the AOA for over three years
now.
We have passed DO-160 testing and we should have our first STC in the
spring.
It has cost well over $75,000 to get it certified. We have made a number
of improvements to the AOA since we started certification and we
currently=20are
selling the AOA Sport 3. The certified AOA Sport 1 unit that we could
start selling this summer is 3 generations old and is not as good as the
one that
we make today, but it will be =E2=80=9CCertified=E2=80=9D. The paper
work=20alone will add
a major amount of cost to each unit that we sell and to be honest most
people
are not willing to pay for it.
You forgot the really big benefit that you get once you start selling a
certified product. You are assured that you will be sued for every
airplane
crash no madder what caused it. We currently have a customer that wants to
install a large number of AOA=E2=80=99s in Cessna Caravans. They have three
Caravans
flying with the AOA and =E2=80=9Cmust have it=E2=80=9D. You would not
even believe the
conversations I have had with my insurance company over this one=E2=80=A6.
Cessna, Cirrus, ect=E2=80=A6 would tell you exactly the same thing
about=20airframes
as you have said about avionics. There is no way that Lancair, Vans, or
Glassair have done the paper work and testing that the certified
manufactures
have had to do. Does this automatically mean that a new RV-10 is not
as=20safe
as a Cirrus? I don=E2=80=99t think so, and I can=E2=80=99t wait to load my
family in my
RV-10 with my uncertified EFIS , Engine Monitor, and AOA. I would also
argue
that my RV-10 will be safer because of them.
Every year I have someone stop by the booth and tell me that our
uncertified
product has saved their life. How many people would not be here today if
they had waited to install a certified instrument? How much higher would
the
insurance that you pay be? I would bet that way more lives are saved
because
of affordable, uncertified avionics.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Dean,
How did you get so smart? Most people have no clue on the macro
level. Their day to day is their only reference. If you could tax your
self to prosperity, why haven't we got there. When taxes go down, the
economy picks up---- How can that be????
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Hi Dick,
Yes, I had to trim the inner edge of the bottom because it was hitting the
rib. I trimmed about 3/16". Now it doesn't hit but still won't go in. I
can warp a little with my hands but not near enough to do any good. I had
to trim quite a bit on the right wing tip but in the end it went in and
together. Didn't notice any warping in it and it was pretty flat accross
the top of wingtip / wing.
-------Original Message-------
From: Richard Seiders
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
Tim, this is probably a dumb question, but did you trim the inner edge to
fit?
Dick
At 05:16 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
>bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
like
> Here are the observed conditions.
> - At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
>- At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
>- I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
>along it's edge.
>- The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
>- As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
>into the wing all the way.
>- with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch
at
>the most.
>
>The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
to
>reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
>Thanks for any help
>Tim
>N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck, you
>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
I don't know that people leave this list because of disagreements. Personally
I take grief for flying high whereas other RV pilots fly closer to the
ground. A
recent close encounter with a Cessna at 9500' (low in my book) just reinforces
my belief that it is safer higher.
I do have a question about the Dynon system. Some say that it is acceptable
for use in IFR flight. Is there anything in writing that confirms that
assertion?
I also am of the impression that the issue of certified or not is not that
important.
Look at the NTSB accident reports and see the boneheaded, Darwin-tempting
things that pilots do that kill themselves and others. If you want to reduce
accidents, figure out how to keep pilots from making STUPID decisions that
result in fatalities.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Thank you Ron. I thought that was what I was trying to do.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck,
you
>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
I don't know that people leave this list because of disagreements.
Personally
I take grief for flying high whereas other RV pilots fly closer to the
ground. A
recent close encounter with a Cessna at 9500' (low in my book) just
reinforces
my belief that it is safer higher.
I do have a question about the Dynon system. Some say that it is acceptable
for use in IFR flight. Is there anything in writing that confirms that
assertion?
I also am of the impression that the issue of certified or not is not that
important.
Look at the NTSB accident reports and see the boneheaded, Darwin-tempting
things that pilots do that kill themselves and others. If you want to
reduce
accidents, figure out how to keep pilots from making STUPID decisions that
result in fatalities.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
I stand corrected. I had forgotten about the AHRS. You would think I would
remember, since I sent mine in to have that problem fixed. The failure
manifests itself during power-up so that you know you have a problem before
you ever leave the ground.
Steve
N174AS
MEM
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Time: 08:42:39 AM PST US
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
No, they don't. The software is the same, the hardware is not. Take for
example the AHRS, the certified units use the Crossbow 500 series or better,
the non-certified units use the Crossbow 400 series. The 400 series has just
been flagged by a Crossbow SB as VFR use only. They found a few software
bugs they have to iron out. The 400 series AHRS are not certified.
FMI: http://www.xbow.com/Support/Support_pdf_files/Service_Letter_NAV425.pdf
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve&Anita Nyman
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
<<From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sure the companies make some rudimentary tests but
nothing like the full DO178 compliant tests required of certificated
electro-whizzys.>>
Chelton did. They use the same hardware and software in systems they sell
to the experimental market.
Steve
N174AS
MEM
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
Kevin,
You mention doing the canopy upside down... I was under the impression that
the canopy had to/should be glued on the aircraft with the frame and canopy
in the closed position in order to insure that no twist or movement will
screw up the final fit (and yes, I thought that might be a bit problematic).
So if you glue the canopy to the frame off the aircraft, how do you make
sure it stays aligned as it should?
Vern
On 1/22/06, Kevin Hester <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester
> kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com
>
> * The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
> allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
> against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
> upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
> paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
> the right angle.
Kevin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Hey Bruce, you have been a valued contributor to this list for a long
time...and I note that you have shown no bias towards glass airplanes. I
appreciate that and would urge you not to take these flame jobs personally.
Occasionally we all say something that is either misinterpreted or too
controversial for intelligent debate--just slough it off and move on. Keep
your sense of humor and your point of view.
Pat
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Thank you Ron. I thought that was what I was trying to do.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck,
you
>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
I don't know that people leave this list because of disagreements.
Personally
I take grief for flying high whereas other RV pilots fly closer to the
ground. A
recent close encounter with a Cessna at 9500' (low in my book) just
reinforces
my belief that it is safer higher.
I do have a question about the Dynon system. Some say that it is acceptable
for use in IFR flight. Is there anything in writing that confirms that
assertion?
I also am of the impression that the issue of certified or not is not that
important.
Look at the NTSB accident reports and see the boneheaded, Darwin-tempting
things that pilots do that kill themselves and others. If you want to
reduce
accidents, figure out how to keep pilots from making STUPID decisions that
result in fatalities.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I used some of the scrap canopy track to make a mount
on my workbench. You can see what I did in some of
these pictures:
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050617213651709
If I could do it again, I'd use some dabs of Sikaflex
to "tack" the canopy to the frame, and then turn the
whole thing upside down to finish it off.
Mickey
Vern W. wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
>
> Kevin,
> You mention doing the canopy upside down... I was under the impression that
> the canopy had to/should be glued on the aircraft with the frame and canopy
> in the closed position in order to insure that no twist or movement will
> screw up the final fit (and yes, I thought that might be a bit problematic).
>
> So if you glue the canopy to the frame off the aircraft, how do you make
> sure it stays aligned as it should?
>
> Vern
>
>
> On 1/22/06, Kevin Hester <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com> wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester
>>kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com
>>
>>* The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
>>allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
>>against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
>>upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
>>paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
>>the right angle.
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Thanks, I refuse to believe that anyone who can built one of these kits, be
they plastic or aluminum, is dumb or stupid. Perhaps they are unenlightened
to the finer points of the argument or my word choice was insufficient to
convey the mental image needed to make their light bulb fire. I guess I'll
just have to try harder (groan from all).
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Hey Bruce, you have been a valued contributor to this list for a long
time...and I note that you have shown no bias towards glass airplanes. I
appreciate that and would urge you not to take these flame jobs personally.
Occasionally we all say something that is either misinterpreted or too
controversial for intelligent debate--just slough it off and move on. Keep
your sense of humor and your point of view.
Pat
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Thank you Ron. I thought that was what I was trying to do.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck,
you
>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
I don't know that people leave this list because of disagreements.
Personally
I take grief for flying high whereas other RV pilots fly closer to the
ground. A
recent close encounter with a Cessna at 9500' (low in my book) just
reinforces
my belief that it is safer higher.
I do have a question about the Dynon system. Some say that it is acceptable
for use in IFR flight. Is there anything in writing that confirms that
assertion?
I also am of the impression that the issue of certified or not is not that
important.
Look at the NTSB accident reports and see the boneheaded, Darwin-tempting
things that pilots do that kill themselves and others. If you want to
reduce
accidents, figure out how to keep pilots from making STUPID decisions that
result in fatalities.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Artifical Horizon |
--> RV-List message posted by: Corey Crawford <corey.crawford@gmail.com>
I know this isn't a solid-state instrument, but I ran into this electric,
battery backed-up gyro in a blurb in AOPA Pilot:
http://www.lifesavergyro.com/
They also have a mini electric gyro:
http://www.mcico.com/master1.html?whatsnew.html&1
Thought it might interest someone..
--
Corey Crawford
corey.crawford@gmail.com
Building an RV-7A in Denver, CO
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I don't mind the disagreements. What I don't like is when others, who are
struggling to counter my statements, resort to personal attacks.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck,
you
>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
I don't know that people leave this list because of disagreements.
Personally
I take grief for flying high whereas other RV pilots fly closer to the
ground. A
recent close encounter with a Cessna at 9500' (low in my book) just
reinforces
my belief that it is safer higher.
I do have a question about the Dynon system. Some say that it is acceptable
for use in IFR flight. Is there anything in writing that confirms that
assertion?
I also am of the impression that the issue of certified or not is not that
important.
Look at the NTSB accident reports and see the boneheaded, Darwin-tempting
things that pilots do that kill themselves and others. If you want to
reduce
accidents, figure out how to keep pilots from making STUPID decisions that
result in fatalities.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tax, euros....off topic, delete now (you are fore warned) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Dean,
> How did you get so smart? Most people have no clue on the macro
> level. Their day to day is their only reference. If you could tax your
> self to prosperity, why haven't we got there. When taxes go down, the
> economy picks up---- How can that be????
>
> Jim
>
How can that be? you ask. Well the gov't counts the Gross Domestic Product
output. When the gov't doesn't take a bite out of everything, there is more
for everyone to work with AND the big thing is the gov't , regardless if it
has the income or not, will spend money just the same. So, if they don't
tax, the economy is better. Our debt is just greater because of the
deficeit.
The best thing someone smarter than me suggested was to reelect not one of
our office holers going to Washington, DC at election time. That would set
a new tone for the ones going there. Imagine if there was no old pros to
lead the newly elected around and show them how things are done. Wow. They
might work for the people rather than their party or themselves. Imagine
that!! Of course I can vote for whoever is running against the incumbents
from Indiana without any problem. But the problem is some state such as
Mass. (or some other state) will relect their pro and it just will not work.
This has to be a national thing and regardless of how good our imcumbent is,
we MUST NOT reelect them. I am not holding my breath that this will ever
happen.
Indiana Larry
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | RV Wiki Featured Article |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Rob Prior has written an excellent article for the RV Wiki in which he compiles
information from many posts to the RV List on the subject of gluing canopies.
http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Gluing_Your_Canopy
As always, you are welcome to improve this article any way you can, such as by
adding further information or pictures, or even just by correcting any typos
you notice. You'll find quick instructions on editing an article here,
http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Quick_Page_Editing_Instructions
and more detailed instructions here,
http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Edit
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip has twist |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Look at Dan's website, he has a good photo of his "hi-tech" solution.
http://www.rvproject.com/index.html
Lot of good info there. I just noticed he's a contributing editor to
Kitplanes. Who knew?
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wingtip has twist
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> Hi Listers, looking for a bit of advice. My -6 wingtip appears to have a
> bit of a twist in it preventing me from getting it installed as I would
> like
> Here are the observed conditions.
> - At the leading edge the wingtip is flat with the top of the wing.
> - At the trailing edge the wingtip is flared up a bit.
> - I have the wingtip nicely fit and clecoed into the top of the wing all
> along it's edge.
> - The wingtip fits snug into the leading edge of the wing
> - As you travel back along the bottom of the join, the wingtip will not go
> into the wing all the way.
> - with considerable pressure you can twist it in about a 1/6th of an inch
> at
> the most.
>
> The question: Can the wingtip be heated in enough of an area to allow me
> to
> reshape it? What other suggestions might one have in this situation?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Tim
> N616TB Registerd, not flying - but soon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
tacking is the way to go, it lets u make a much nicer finish on the glue
beads, is what the Sika guys recommended when i called them.
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>I used some of the scrap canopy track to make a mount
>on my workbench. You can see what I did in some of
>these pictures:
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050617213651709
>
>If I could do it again, I'd use some dabs of Sikaflex
>to "tack" the canopy to the frame, and then turn the
>whole thing upside down to finish it off.
>
>Mickey
>
>Vern W. wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
>>
>>Kevin,
>>You mention doing the canopy upside down... I was under the impression that
>>the canopy had to/should be glued on the aircraft with the frame and canopy
>>in the closed position in order to insure that no twist or movement will
>>screw up the final fit (and yes, I thought that might be a bit problematic).
>>
>>So if you glue the canopy to the frame off the aircraft, how do you make
>>sure it stays aligned as it should?
>>
>>Vern
>>
>>
>>On 1/22/06, Kevin Hester <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester
>>>kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com
>>>
>>>* The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
>>>allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
>>>against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
>>>upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
>>>paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
>>>the right angle.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Hey Kevin, timing is everything.
Im planning on removing my poorly fit aluminum canopy fairing and replacing
with fiberglass. Any tips? i.e. How many layups of what oz cloth,
pitfalls...
tia
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hester" <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com>
Cc: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Gluing canopies - a few more notes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Hester
> <kevinh-unfiltered@sneakyfrog.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Various other posters have already covered most points, but since I've
> done the adhesive canopy thing I'd like to add a few notes:
>
> * Thanks to Chalkie for getting this great idea started with his Sport
> Aviation article
> * Sika is a bit of a pain to work with, but no where nearly as nasty as
> proseal. If I had it to do over again, there's no way I'd even
> consider using pop rivets.
> * I really like that with Sika your canopy mates right up with your
> windscreen - no need to make the fiberglass lip
> * Before applying the black primer to the plexi, be very careful about
> masking (duh)
> * Rough up the rollbar powdercoat pretty good before applying the sika
> prep clear fluid to it.
> * Also apply masking tape to the rollbar where you don't want any sika
> to stick.
> * The clear sika prep fluid will slightly roughen any plexi that it is
> allowed to sit on for an extended time. Either use masking to protect
> against this (particularly when doing the canopy frame with the plexy
> upside down over the table) or when you screw up wipe up excess with a
> paper towel. It is a very slight effect but noticeable if you look at
> the right angle.
> * Although Sika says it is dry within a day(?), it really takes a few
> weeks before it is as strong as it is ever going to be. When I did
> some test pieces I was initially a bit concerned with the strength of
> the bond but two weeks later it reached the point where I was breaking
> plexy before sika would come off. (Not a very scientific test though).
> * Use this 'slow dry' property to your advantage - if you need to
> mechanically remove any sika that squeezes past masking tape, it is
> much easier to do this the day after the lay-up than a week later.
> * I had one helper for the actual bonding day of the windscreen to the
> rollbar, I'd recommend two helpers. ;-)
> * If you are doing sika, you probably want to make your aft skirt out
> of fiberglass rather than aluminum. The fiberglass skirt only takes a
> day to make and you can bond it with sika as well - no pop rivets
> through the plexi and the frame.
> * Like anything - doing it the first time takes _much_ longer. If you
> can find someone local who's done it, buy em with beer to come help on
> windscreen bonding day (canopy bonding is way easier). I'm happy to
> help any SF Bay Area builder who decides to go this way...
>
> (I think the current GLO custom photos on the VAF homepage show my
> crummy masking job - fortunately Sika is paintable (and Grady friggen
> rocks), so I've now decided that my rollbar should be black to match
> the top of my plane)
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Hey Milt, what do you think about the Flight Cheetah?
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
> --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
>
>
>> I'll take the promise of certification
>> over the words of a basement engineer any day. Yea, yea, I know,
>> electro-wizzies......
>
>
> Below is a short BIO of Greg Richter of Blue Mountain one of those
> "basemant engineers" :)
>
> Richter is a graduate of Georgia Tech holding a Bachelor of Electrical
> Engineering and is a Grumman Aerospace scholar and a member of the IEEE.
> Richter has been involved in software, systems engineering, RF, analog and
> digital electronic design for over 20 years. 8)
>
> I have 2 BMA EFIS, 2 external comnavs, 1 alternator 2 batteries and a
> flight Cheetah 210 with solid state harddrive in my F1. I fly a lot of IFR
> when there is no chance of icing and no TSTMs.
>
> As I have 2 separate electro whizzie systems I do so with confidence and,
> in my mind, the same degree of safety I would have with a certified system
> or 3.
>
> The word certified to me instills no confidence the certification
> standards put out by the FAA are just as likely to have been developed by
> a lifelong anministrative engineer as by a techno geek.
>
> If you have been around long enough you have encountered "Certified
> "Flight Instructors, "Certified" mechanics, "Certified" Doctor's,
> etc,etc...................
>
> Some of whom are idiots.
>
> The key to safety is to have backup and to understand the limitations of
> the systems you are using. These electro whizzies have been around long
> enough to have a track record that "implies" they are safe and reliable.
>
> Now I must go and install some rear view mirrors on my Rocket so I can
> enjoy the look of awe on the face of Velocity drivers as I whizzzzzz by
> them. :P
>
>
> My next plane is going to be a plastic Radial Rocket with Bluemountain
> whizzies. I reallly the Glasairs but can't fit in one.
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6085#6085
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>I don't mind the disagreements. What I don't like is when others, who are
>struggling to counter my statements, resort to personal attacks.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:39 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>>
>>I can see the reasons that the RV list has a reputation for driving out
>>those brave souls who don't blindly follow the group mindset. Good luck,
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>guys. I hope all have a sound backup plan.
>>
>>
Bruce you have been a good contributor to this list for a long time, I
enjoy reading your posts. I also agree
with you. It is amazing to me how many people that have the "electronic
gizmo's" also have some type
of steam gauge. When asked why both it is always the same answer, "JUST
IN CASE." :-)
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
shempdowling2(at)earthlin wrote:
> Hey Milt, what do you think about the Flight Cheetah?-
Just got it put in so havn't used it a lot. I have been running the same software
(True Map) on a tablet and really love it. Provides great weather, moving
map, and airway info and easy rapid access to approach plates. Now with a solid
state HD I can go up into the low teen Flight Levels without crunching my harddrive.
The actual flight Cheetah is quicker and easier to use as all it is is a flight
instrument and not a multi purpose computer. It was a real struggle to pick between
the 396 and Cheetah but I really needed an EFB type solution to charts
and approach plates. The 396 just didn't provide that.
The short answer to your question is I think it is terrific.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6336#6336
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| Subject: | first real dimples |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Ok I am just now setting my first real dimples in the HS spars and ribs,
pneumatic squeezer, do I want to see the slight ring imprint also ,? or am I
just a little deep ?
How about when I get to the skin ??
Thanks all,.,
Dan Hatch
-8 QB
N728RV Reserved
and gettin on a roll !
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| Subject: | first real dimples |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
I overdid the dimpling on my first try. I used a lot of pressure. TOO
MUCH. What you want is to have the dies just touch the surface. In my
case, the excessive pressure caused the holes to expand, making a cleco not
hold well.
Another test is to insert an AN426 rivet. The top of the rivet should be
flush with the skin. And the mating part, the spar or rib, should be
dimpled enough to accept the skin without visible separation.
Hope this helps.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: first real dimples
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Ok I am just now setting my first real dimples in the HS spars and ribs,
pneumatic squeezer, do I want to see the slight ring imprint also ,? or am
I just a little deep ?
How about when I get to the skin ??
Thanks all,.,
Dan Hatch
-8 QB
N728RV Reserved
and gettin on a roll !
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| Subject: | "Excess" Energy use! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the
enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This
stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now believe
it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were
people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same argument
was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's
now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and
shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we
possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY!
WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY
HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by mandating
"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the road)
and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one
hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping
the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)?
Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much as
the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing
us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it!
Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away
just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The politicians
and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new
energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially for
hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature run
its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and
if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices to
the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources
(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" in
the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to
invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using
pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the
local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd have
if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much
oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling
cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to
pay the chiropracter.
BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make a
point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest
groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been
trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive!
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does feel
it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may
be going to support radical Islam)!
Do not archive
--------------Original message---------------
> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
> I do believe that if gas prices in the US have been as expensive as
>Europe for the last 30 years, Americans my not be so complacent about
>excess energy consumption.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
This is obviously uncertified but might make a backup unit? Does anyone
have any experience with these Stratomaster Units? At $875 they aren't much
more than a T&B?
http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/SmartSingles/AttitudeIndic
ators/attitudeindicators.html
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
shempdowling2(at)earthlin wrote:
> Hey Milt, what do you think about the Flight Cheetah?-
Just got it put in so havn't used it a lot. I have been running the same
software (True Map) on a tablet and really love it. Provides great weather,
moving map, and airway info and easy rapid access to approach plates. Now
with a solid state HD I can go up into the low teen Flight Levels without
crunching my harddrive.
The actual flight Cheetah is quicker and easier to use as all it is is a
flight instrument and not a multi purpose computer. It was a real struggle
to pick between the 396 and Cheetah but I really needed an EFB type solution
to charts and approach plates. The 396 just didn't provide that.
The short answer to your question is I think it is terrific.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6336#6336
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| Subject: | Re: first real dimples |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
The slight imprint is good and is not a problem. It
means the die has fully depressed the dimple. If,
outside that ring,you see bulging, it is too much
pressure.
Dave
--- Dan <dan@rdan.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
> Ok I am just now setting my first real dimples in
> the HS spars and ribs,
> pneumatic squeezer, do I want to see the slight
> ring imprint also ,? or am I just a little deep ?
> How about when I get to the skin ??
> Thanks all,.,
>
> Dan Hatch
> -8 QB
> N728RV Reserved
>
> and gettin on a roll !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Excess" Energy use! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm
tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou
(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home).
Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said,
Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson
wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how
he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote
for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)
Mannan Thomason
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the
> enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This
> stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now
> believe
> it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were
> people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same
> argument
> was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's
> now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and
> shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we
> possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY!
> WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY
> HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by
> mandating
> "conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the
> road)
> and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one
> hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping
> the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)?
> Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much
> as
> the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing
> us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it!
>
> Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away
> just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The
> politicians
> and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new
> energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially
> for
> hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature
> run
> its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and
> if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices
> to
> the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources
> (we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance"
> in
> the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to
> invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using
> pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the
> local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd
> have
> if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much
> oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling
> cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to
> pay the chiropracter.
>
> BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make
> a
> point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest
> groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been
> trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive!
>
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does
> feel
> it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may
> be going to support radical Islam)!
>
> Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Thanks all for the responses I've gotten , on a few "new builder " questions,
I just wanted to share on one of my favorite and usefull tools which I got on the first day of building was my shop apron from Duluth Trading co. http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/83490.aspx
It's tough, has great pockets to hold cleco's, tools, pen and glasse's it does
a great job of protecting my clothes and when I go to the garage I put it on
! AND I'm building an airplane !!
The toughest apron you'll ever weld, grind, or grill in
Dan Hatch
Seattle
-8 QB
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