---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/24/06: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Mickey Coggins) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Kelly McMullen) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Bruce Gray) 4. 06:06 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (N395V) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Shop Tool ? (Patrick Kelley) 6. 06:45 AM - instructor needed in Ann Arbor Michigan area (Frazier, Vincent A) 7. 07:42 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Bob J) 8. 08:06 AM - Sikaflex Tip-up (rock5219) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 10. 10:12 AM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (bdjones1965) 11. 11:21 AM - Waterjet Cutting (bdjones1965) 12. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified (Jeff Dowling) 13. 12:11 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Jeff Dowling) 14. 02:14 PM - B&C alternator clearance (Chris Brooks) 15. 02:36 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Chuck) 16. 02:54 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Rob Prior (rv7)) 17. 03:49 PM - Re: Waterjet Cutting (Tim Bryan) 18. 03:52 PM - ECi cylinder AD (D.Bristol) 19. 04:43 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Ron Lee) 20. 05:05 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Charlie England) 21. 05:28 PM - Re: B&C alternator clearance (Konrad L. Werner) 22. 06:10 PM - Re: Waterjet Cutting (Phil) 23. 07:11 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Sherman Butler) 24. 07:14 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Chuck) 25. 07:49 PM - Re: Waterjet Cutting (bdjones1965) 26. 07:49 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Charlie England) 27. 08:14 PM - Re: B&C alternator clearance (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:59 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Warning: Off-topic rant! Delete now! > now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and > shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we > possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! What do you mean by a few percent? > WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY > HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by mandating We're all going to die, eventually. Why prolong the agony by continuing to feed ourselves? > Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much as > the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing > us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! After the 70's oil embargo, there were some pretty reasonable requirements placed on auto suppliers to increase the average mileage of their fleets. This was working very well. Unfortunately, Clinton suspended these requirements in exchange for massive contributions from Detroit and the oil companies, which of course helped the boom in SUV sales. The trend was such that by now, we would not have had to import oil from the middle east. > Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away > just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The politicians > and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new > energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially for > hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature run > its course and economics do the work? This is pretty clearly what will happen, since our various governments can't see or plan beyond the next election. If we planned our lives like the various governments plan, none of us would go to college, get training, invest for retirement, or even get a job. We'd just wake up in the morning, scratch ourselves, and see what food we can find laying around. Personally, I'd prefer our government (an institution that is supposedly acting in our name, the collective "we") try to take some actions so that we don't have huge disruptions in our lives and the economy if some far off source of oil gets disrupted. Some would argue that that's what's happening with our massive spending on military might, but I'm not sure that's the most efficient way to keep our economy running smoothly. I'd personally be happy to pay a bit more at the pump so that kids don't have to be sent off to protect middle east oil, but I'd never impose that on anyone else. > ... In the USA the enviro wackos are using > pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the > local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd have > if we could explore everywhere. ... I'm not sure what you mean by "enviro wacko", but I know most people want clean air for their children and grandchildren to breath, and clean water for them to drink. Requiring that the production of oil, gas, and coal not contaminate our air and water does not seem too extreme to me, and in actual fact, does not add much to the cost of the final product. Perhaps if the oil companies get their wish, and start drilling half a mile off the beautiful Florida beaches near your house, you'll see what we grew up with in Texas. Coming back into the house from the beach: 1) quick rinse to get sand and salt water off body; 2) five minutes with a Popsicle stick and turpentine to get tar off of our feet. Perhaps you Floridians will simply see this as part of your sacrifice to keep oil supplies plentiful and cheap. I'm not sure the snowbirds will share the sentiment. Spend some time where we drill for and produce oil, and perhaps you'll understand a bit better what the "wackos" are saying. Don't even begin to talk about refineries, and what they do to the air and water. > If you feel so guilty about using so much > oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling > cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to > pay the chiropracter. > > BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make a > point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest > groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been > trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! I'm not sure they are trying make anyone feel guilty, but trying to get others to: 1) respect oil as a limited resource; 2) understand that there are brave men and women overseas right now laying their lives on the line so that we can have "cheap" oil so that our economy continues to function; 3) realize there are people working in and living near oil production facilities that are paying a price in terms of their health and quality of life so that we can have cheap oil. It just seems a shame to waste it. Use it, great, but don't waste it. > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does feel > it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may > be going to support radical Islam)! Some would argue that our thirst for middle east oil has actually created radical Islam. I'm not so sure, but I doubt sending those guys billions a year is a good thing. Again, apologies to all for the off-topic rant! :) -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:40 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the reserves of the whole middle east there. Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" > > Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm > tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou > (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). > Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, > Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson > wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how > he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote > for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) > > Mannan Thomason > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM > Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >> >>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>believe >>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>argument >>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>mandating >>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>road) >>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>as >>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >> >>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>politicians >>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>for >>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>run >>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>to >>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>in >>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>have >>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>pay the chiropracter. >> >>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>a >>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >> >> >>Dean Psiropoulos >>RV-6A N197DM >>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>feel >>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>be going to support radical Islam)! >> >>Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:29 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" And we have over 200 years worth of oil right here locked up in the oil shale. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the reserves of the whole middle east there. Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" > > Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm > tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou > (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). > Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, > Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson > wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how > he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote > for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) > > Mannan Thomason > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM > Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >> >>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>believe >>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>argument >>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>mandating >>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>road) >>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>as >>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >> >>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>politicians >>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>for >>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>run >>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>to >>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>in >>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>have >>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>pay the chiropracter. >> >>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>a >>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >> >> >>Dean Psiropoulos >>RV-6A N197DM >>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>feel >>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>be going to support radical Islam)! >> >>Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:23 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: "Excess" Energy use! From: "N395V" --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" Another political rant delete now There is always a trade off. The cleaner the environment the higher the costs. The safer the world the higher the cost. Unfortunately everytime the govt raises taxes for clean and safe only 3% goes to clean and safe, 60% to pay lifer govt administrators and the balance is transferred into social programs for the undeserving so they will continue to vote for incumbents. Our government clearly plans ahead at least to the point where congress critters and senators are vested in their pensions and then to the next election. They do not represent us we etc. They only represent themselves. I would prefer to regress to where I could wake up in the morning, scratch my balls, and go hunt for food and gas and whatever. At least in that scenario the energetic, the motivated, the hard working could obtain what they deserve and keep the fruits of their labor. One day our gas prices will be like those in Europe, there will be no wealthy entrepeneurs, 80% of the population will work for or depend on the government. No general aviation no SUVs no clean air no clean beaches just an oppressive government that consumes everything. At that time we will all be envious of the wealthy capitalist entrepaneurs in China and their healthy vibrant free market economy. We will also be happy to work in jobs outsourced by the chinese to the US. "Hi my name is Milt this call may be recorded for quality purpose, I am sorry my Chinese is so poor how may I help you with your computer problem>" I'm with Dean. Let the free market do it's job. Relying on the Govt will turn the entire nation into dependent politically correct nambi pambi's. George Orwell was clarevoyant. Do Not Archive Do not archive -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6404#6404 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:23 AM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Shop Tool ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" Since you brought up the subject ... A long while back, I started using scrubs (www.scrubs.com) and found them to be very handy. They are cool to work in, have large pockets for clecos and parts, do not hamper movement, and can quickly be peeled off so you don't track aluminum dust everywhere. I wear an old pair of running shoes and athletic socks and usually a scrub cap to keep debris out of my hair. I might look a bit funny, but it was really handy recently when I was back-drilling the top skins of my -6A fuselage; aluminum was falling all around me and the inside of the plane was fairly hot with my and a worklight in there. My wife made me a shop apron which I found to be pretty hand when working externally but aprons just get in the way when you have to crawl around, IMHO. Scrubs can be had with cuffed legs (elastic, so the bottom is closed around the leg) and jackets with long sleeves for painting/prosealing. However, I just went with the "old-shirt" method for prosealing. One set of scrubs has stood up to the entire project to date (beware hospital scrubs - they're made of lighter material). If you think that they're too light for shop work, check out Dan Checkoway's wife doing "pin-up riveting". ;} Dan, that picture should be made into an inspirational poster... Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - installing cockpit floors and systems -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: RV-List: Shop Tool ? --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Thanks all for the responses I've gotten , on a few "new builder " questions, I just wanted to share on one of my favorite and usefull tools which I got on the first day of building was my shop apron from Duluth Trading co. http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/83490.aspx It's tough, has great pockets to hold cleco's, tools, pen and glasse's it does a great job of protecting my clothes and when I go to the garage I put it on ! AND I'm building an airplane !! The toughest apron you'll ever weld, grind, or grill in Dan Hatch Seattle -8 QB 728RV ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:16 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: instructor needed in Ann Arbor Michigan area From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Does anyone know of an instructor in the Ann Arbor, MI area that can check someone out in their RV tri-gear aircraft? Reply offlist to vfrazier@usi.edu Thanks ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:29 AM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J I drive a "postagestamp" 50mpg diesel that runs off of 20% soybean oil, simply because I decided that 1. gas is likely never going to be cheap again, 2. I don't like to be wasteful and 3. I want to do my part in avoiding dependence on foreign oil. I fill up at the local farm bureau, and 100% of the non-soybean portion (80%) of the diesel fuel I use comes from oil wells in S. Illinois and Indiana. I called the refinery to find out. I now use less than one-third of the fuel I used before for my daily commute, and the savings for me has been in the thousands per year. I commute just as confortably as I do in my SUV, it gets me from point A to point B just as comfortably as anything else. My rear end fits in it just fine. My new home which I built on an airpark is built with R-26 SIP insulated panels and has R-60 insulation in the ceiling. My heating bills are half of what my neighbor pays, and his home is significantly smaller in square footage. To build the house in an energy-efficient manner really didn't cost any more than it would a conventionally-built stick frame house. When I add all this up the money that stays in my pocket is in the neighborhood of $5000/year for me. I'm by no means an enviro-wacko or left-leaning in ideology, but I sure as heck don't want my money ending up in the pockets of jihadis. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying, F1 under const. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:25 AM PST US From: "rock5219" Subject: RV-List: Sikaflex Tip-up --> RV-List message posted by: "rock5219" Has anyone found a method to use sikaflex on the tip-up version canopy? RV9A C-FYOO Finishing ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:54 AM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Cc: "'RV-List'" Subject: RV-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: MD200-306 VOR/ILS Indicator --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Pat, I just looked up my wiring and found the following: Pin #21,22 to GND, Pin #23 to dimmer, and Pin #19 to +14VDC. I had originally wired Pin #23 (ann. PWR) to the dimmer, but found that the unit had an internal dimmer associated with the enunciator. Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 525 Hrs in 2.5 Years... --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" < pat_hatch@msn.com > Fred, My pinout diagram for the MD200-306 shows that pin #23 goes to the 14 volt dimmer, pin # 22 goes to either a 28 volt dimmer or to ground in the case of a 14 volt dimmer. Pin # 19 is for 14 v input and pin # 21 is the power ground. I wired mine this way and it dims very nicely with the dimmer circuit. I was not aware that it had an internal dimmer as well. Can you clarify? Documentation is sparse but I do have the pinout if anyone needs a copy. Pat Hatch RV-6 RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" < Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com > Dean, The MD200-306 has internal lighting. But one gottcha.... Be sure that you don't put a dimmer circuit on it as it also has it's own internal dimmer... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 525 Hrs in 2.5 Years... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:37 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: "Excess" Energy use! From: "bdjones1965" --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" In my humble opinion, anyone who would criticise the unacceptable damage and polution from a (US) petrochem facility has no place flying GA/personal airplanes. The is the same contradiction as those who complain about "global warming" and driver their Land Rovers. These are all hypocritical contradictions. The tactic "liberal/enviro whackos" use when they accuse conservatives of not caring about the environment is baseless and ignorant. What sane person does not want clean air and water for themselves and their children! It's all about what's a reasonable, sustainable level of emission. Life is a made up of compromises... and the laws of thermodynamics. You want to fly in an airplane, there will be waste and byproduct produced from its use. I can only speak for the US petrochem industry - in which I worked for 17 years - where they have made incredible strides over the last 20 years. There still could be improvements in some areas, but much greater emission reduction requirements and we will be pricing ourselves right out of business due to diminishing returns *and* the fact that (third world) Mexico can produce the same products cheaper while spewing their waste right into the Southwestern US air flow. Anyone suggestion that the environmental compliance capital spending doesn't add to the cost of production and processing is really fooling themselves. Who pays for the $BILLIONS spent on NOx reduction, low sulfur diesel, etc, etc. projects? The EPA Fairies?? I have spent time near (US) petroleum production sites. In the US essentially no waste or byproduct leaves the local containment. The impact is essentially nill. Tar in the surf is both naturally occurring and, unfortunately, sometimes the result of spills. Which got on your feet? Remember the Valdez natural disaster? Would "kill-off all fish and wildlife for 20-30 years!!" While a stupid mistake and a terrible mess, nature reclaimed the area to a near pre-accident state in only a few years. And biologists have determined that those species not back to pre-spill conditions may have experienced *natural* fluctuations in their conditions. Last, proposing "fair" use of energy is only something right out of the Communist Manifesto. Let the markets decide. 2 cents Bryan Jones Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6482#6482 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:31 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Waterjet Cutting From: "bdjones1965" --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" Anyone have a source (in the US) for small waterjet cutting services? I'm for a source that doesn't charge "industrial" rates to make some complex (1/2" thick) steel brackets. Thanks Bryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6504#6504 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:04 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Those are my exact reasons for wanting the Cheetah. I also am looking at a 396 but I hate always worrying about approach charts. It seems to me the Cheetah has it all, just not in a pretty case :) Good software options as well. Please give us an update once you have used it a bit. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 235 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Artificial Horizon Uncertified > --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" > > > shempdowling2(at)earthlin wrote: >> Hey Milt, what do you think about the Flight Cheetah?- > > > Just got it put in so havn't used it a lot. I have been running the same > software (True Map) on a tablet and really love it. Provides great > weather, moving map, and airway info and easy rapid access to approach > plates. Now with a solid state HD I can go up into the low teen Flight > Levels without crunching my harddrive. > > The actual flight Cheetah is quicker and easier to use as all it is is a > flight instrument and not a multi purpose computer. It was a real struggle > to pick between the 396 and Cheetah but I really needed an EFB type > solution to charts and approach plates. The 396 just didn't provide that. > > The short answer to your question is I think it is terrific. > > -------- > Milt > N395V > F1 Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6336#6336 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:03 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Dean, If you havent read "State of Fear", go get a copy. I think you'll enjoy it. do not archive shemp ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the > enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This > stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now > believe > it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were > people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same > argument > was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's > now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and > shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we > possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! > WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY > HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by > mandating > "conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the > road) > and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one > hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping > the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? > Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much > as > the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing > us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! > > Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away > just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The > politicians > and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new > energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially > for > hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature > run > its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and > if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices > to > the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources > (we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" > in > the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to > invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using > pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the > local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd > have > if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much > oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling > cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to > pay the chiropracter. > > BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make > a > point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest > groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been > trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! > > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does > feel > it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may > be going to support radical Islam)! > > Do not archive > --------------Original message--------------- >> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper > >> I do believe that if gas prices in the US have been as expensive as >>Europe for the last 30 years, Americans my not be so complacent about >>excess energy consumption. > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 PM PST US From: "Chris Brooks" Subject: RV-List: B&C alternator clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Brooks" I currently have Vans 35amp alt. With a Gates 7355 belt (36-1/4") on an O-360 C/S. Somewhere between 3-3.5 g's the pulley makes contact with lower cowl. I tried the next size shorter belt 7350 (35-5/8") but it's too tight and holds the alternator against the Stainless oil line from the governor. I would buy a B&C L40 if I thought it would give more clearance, but would rather save the money if it wouldn't fit with the shorter belt. Does anyone have a B&C L40 on a O-360 with a constant speed prop, and using a 7350 (35-5/8") (890mm) belt? If I know this combination works I'll order the B&C. Chris Brooks RV6 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:12 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! Kelly McMullen wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the reserves of the whole middle east there. Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" > > Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm > tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou > (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). > Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, > Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson > wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how > he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote > for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) > > Mannan Thomason > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM > Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >> >>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>believe >>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>argument >>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>mandating >>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>road) >>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>as >>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >> >>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>politicians >>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>for >>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>run >>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>to >>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>in >>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>have >>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>pay the chiropracter. >> >>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>a >>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >> >> >>Dean Psiropoulos >>RV-6A N197DM >>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>feel >>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>be going to support radical Islam)! >> >>Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:40 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 14:35:44 2006-01-24 Chuck wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck > > Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, > ahhh I mean, We need to get rid of that repressive regime, > liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! Those unable to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Canada has already been invaded by the US, a number of times, in the early 1800's. None of them were successful. :) Definitely, do not archive! -Rob ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:12 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Waterjet Cutting --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Orange County Choppers Do Not Archive -------Original Message------- From: bdjones1965 Subject: RV-List: Waterjet Cutting --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" Anyone have a source (in the US) for small waterjet cutting services? I'm for a source that doesn't charge "industrial" rates to make some complex (1/2" thick) steel brackets. Thanks Bryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D6504#6504 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:14 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: RV-List: ECi cylinder AD --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Well, I installed the spacer behind #3 cylinder and totally solved my hot #3 problem - fantastic, all the temps are now perfect! That's the good news. The bad news is that now that I have the temps under control I get nailed by the ECi mandatory service bulletin/ AD. I know, my RV6 is experimental and AD's don't legally apply, but they've had 30 failures so I think that it's prudent to take care of it. If nothing else, I'd take a big hit if I tried to sell it without taking care of the AD. ECi is not going to make me pay full price for 4 new cylinder assemblies. A prorated warranty applies, and since I've got just 100 hrs on them it's "only" going to cost me about $1350 to replace them with new "Titan"cylinders. Yes, I shouldn't have to pay anything but that's the nature of AD's - the owner gets screwed. ( As a mater of fact, anytime the government gets involved you get screwed) I brought this up because this is one AD that I think we should comply with and the sooner it's done the cheaper it's going to be. So if you have ECi Classic Cast cylinders, do yourself a favor and check out ECi service bulletin #05-8 at: http://www.eci2fly.com/pdf/05-8.pdf The AD# is 2005-26-10. Dave -6 SoCal EAA Technical Counselor ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:46 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >Those unable to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Canada has >already been invaded by the US, a number of times, in the early 1800's. >None of them were successful. :) Or once we got there we decided that we did not want to stay :) I suspect that we invaded in the wrong place. Had we tried British Columbia we would have stayed. Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:37 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right? (obligatory ;-) ) Chuck wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck > >Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, > We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! > >Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil >sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 >million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the >reserves of the whole middle east there. > >Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" >> >>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm >>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou >>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). >>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, >>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson >>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how >>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote >>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) >> >>Mannan Thomason >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM >>Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! >> >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>> >>> >>>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>>believe >>>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>>argument >>>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>>mandating >>>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>>road) >>>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>>as >>>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >>> >>>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>>politicians >>>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>>for >>>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>>run >>>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>>to >>>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>>in >>>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>>have >>>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>>pay the chiropracter. >>> >>>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>>a >>>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >>> >>> >>>Dean Psiropoulos >>>RV-6A N197DM >>>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>>feel >>>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>>be going to support radical Islam)! >>> >>>Do not archive >>> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:48 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: B&C alternator clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Chris, I don't have an answer for you on the L40, but here is something else you may consider. Get yourself a "slightly" bigger diameter pulley for your current alternator, which will do two things for you: 1. Get the ALT closer to the engine while still using the 7355 belt you have on it right now, and 2. slow down your ALT.-RPM a little bit! Does that make sense to anyone else ??? Good Luck to you (without spending to much money) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Brooks To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RV-List: B&C alternator clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Brooks" I currently have Vans 35amp alt. With a Gates 7355 belt (36-1/4") on an O-360 C/S. Somewhere between 3-3.5 g's the pulley makes contact with lower cowl. I tried the next size shorter belt 7350 (35-5/8") but it's too tight and holds the alternator against the Stainless oil line from the governor. I would buy a B&C L40 if I thought it would give more clearance, but would rather save the money if it wouldn't fit with the shorter belt. Does anyone have a B&C L40 on a O-360 with a constant speed prop, and using a 7350 (35-5/8") (890mm) belt? If I know this combination works I'll order the B&C. Chris Brooks RV6 -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:42 PM PST US From: "Phil" Subject: Re: RV-List: Waterjet Cutting --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil" Try this. A huge list of shops. http://waterjets.org/waterjet_jobshops.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "bdjones1965" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RV-List: Waterjet Cutting > --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" > > Anyone have a source (in the US) for small waterjet cutting services? I'm for a source that doesn't charge "industrial" rates to make some complex (1/2" thick) steel brackets. > > Thanks > > Bryan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6504#6504 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:48 PM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler What makes anyone think the bunch in D.C could get that right either? They are too lazy to have a plan B. DO NOT ARCHIVE! Charlie England wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right? (obligatory ;-) ) Chuck wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck > >Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, > We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! > >Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil >sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 >million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the >reserves of the whole middle east there. > >Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" >> >>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm >>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou >>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). >>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, >>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson >>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how >>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote >>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) >> >>Mannan Thomason >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM >>Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! >> >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>> >>> >>>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>>believe >>>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>>argument >>>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>>mandating >>>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>>road) >>>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>>as >>>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >>> >>>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>>politicians >>>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>>for >>>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>>run >>>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>>to >>>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>>in >>>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>>have >>>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>>pay the chiropracter. >>> >>>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>>a >>>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >>> >>> >>>Dean Psiropoulos >>>RV-6A N197DM >>>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>>feel >>>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>>be going to support radical Islam)! >>> >>>Do not archive >>> Sherman Butler RV-7a Empennage --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:47 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Well of course ! Once they been freed like us, then our government will be obligated to monitor their privacy just like us. I mean ain't that why we pay our taxes ? Charlie England wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right? (obligatory ;-) ) Chuck wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck > >Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, > We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! > >Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > >Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil >sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 >million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the >reserves of the whole middle east there. > >Mannan J. Thomason wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" >> >>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm >>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou >>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). >>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, >>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson >>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how >>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote >>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) >> >>Mannan Thomason >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM >>Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! >> >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>> >>> >>>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>>believe >>>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>>argument >>>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>>mandating >>>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>>road) >>>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>>as >>>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >>> >>>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>>politicians >>>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>>for >>>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>>run >>>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>>to >>>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>>in >>>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>>have >>>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>>pay the chiropracter. >>> >>>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>>a >>>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >>> >>> >>>Dean Psiropoulos >>>RV-6A N197DM >>>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>>feel >>>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>>be going to support radical Islam)! >>> >>>Do not archive >>> --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:45 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Waterjet Cutting From: "bdjones1965" --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" Excellent responses. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6648#6648 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:56 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England My wife just pointed out a much better reason to invade Canada. We are running out of affordable prescription drugs here. (Of course, the drug companies & insurance companies are doing just fine with Administration support. How many have had to run the new Medicare prescription drug gauntlet?) Sherman Butler wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler > > What makes anyone think the bunch in D.C could get that right either? > They are too lazy to have a plan B. > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > >Charlie England wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England > >Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok >to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right? > >(obligatory ;-) ) > >Chuck wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck >> >>Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, >>We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!! >> >>Kelly McMullen wrote: >>--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen >> >>Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil >>sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 >>million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the >>reserves of the whole middle east there. >> >>Mannan J. Thomason wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" >>> >>>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm >>>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou >>>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). >>>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, >>>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson >>>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how >>>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote >>>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.) >>> >>>Mannan Thomason >>> >>>DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM >>>Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >>>> >>>> >>>>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the >>>>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This >>>>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now >>>>believe >>>>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were >>>>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same >>>>argument >>>>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's >>>>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and >>>>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we >>>>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY! >>>>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY >>>>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by >>>>mandating >>>>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the >>>>road) >>>>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one >>>>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping >>>>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)? >>>>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much >>>>as >>>>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing >>>>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it! >>>> >>>>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away >>>>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The >>>>politicians >>>>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new >>>>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially >>>>for >>>>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature >>>>run >>>>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and >>>>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices >>>>to >>>>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources >>>>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" >>>>in >>>>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to >>>>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using >>>>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the >>>>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd >>>>have >>>>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much >>>>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling >>>>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to >>>>pay the chiropracter. >>>> >>>>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make >>>>a >>>>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest >>>>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been >>>>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive! >>>> >>>> >>>>Dean Psiropoulos >>>>RV-6A N197DM >>>>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does >>>>feel >>>>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may >>>>be going to support radical Islam)! >>>> >>>>Do not archive >>>> ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:11 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: B&C alternator clearance --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 1/24/2006 2:16:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, brooksrv6@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone have a B&C L40 on a O-360 with a constant speed prop, and using a 7350 (35-5/8") (890mm) belt? If I know this combination works I'll order the B&C. ====================================== I run the B&C L60 alternator with the Gates 7360 belt fine on mine since day one, if it helps you to decide. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 771hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)