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1. 03:18 AM - Re: first real dimples (JAMES BOWEN)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (N395V)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Bruce Gray)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Rhonda Bewley)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Bob C.)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Bob C.)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (RAS)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (James Freeman)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (hemico)
10. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Tim Bryan)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Dan Beadle)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Dave Johnson)
13. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Tim Bryan)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Jan)
15. 03:41 PM - VS skin attachment (Jim Carlton)
16. 04:01 PM - Re: "Excess" Energy use! (Mark Grieve)
17. 04:04 PM - dent in vertical stab skin (Jim Carlton)
18. 07:42 PM - Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow Sensor (Gerry Filby)
19. 07:52 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow Sensor (DonVS)
20. 08:00 PM - mogas (LarryRobertHelming)
21. 08:23 PM - Re: dent in vertical stab skin (Tim Olson)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: mogas (Jeff Orear)
23. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... (Matt Johnson)
24. 09:56 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow Sensor (Bobby Hester)
25. 10:04 PM - Re: mogas (Bobby Hester)
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| Subject: | first real dimples |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
Yes Dan, I used a pneumatic squeezer extensivly and had the same effect.
Just set a rivit in the dimple and it will show you if the dept is correct.
Use some scrap alum. sheet for practice when you go to a different thickness
to set the dimple depth. I think they say, your not building a swiss watch
here. Have fun. It will look great.
Jim Bowen
RV-8 QB
>From: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: first real dimples
>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:10:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>
>Ok I am just now setting my first real dimples in the HS spars and ribs,
> pneumatic squeezer, do I want to see the slight ring imprint also ,? or
>am I just a little deep ?
> How about when I get to the skin ??
> Thanks all,.,
>
> Dan Hatch
> -8 QB
> N728RV Reserved
>
> and gettin on a roll !
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
>
> How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a whim? At
least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
> picks up the cost of replacement.
Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
$60,000 out of every owners pocket because Cessna did a theoretical study that
contains "confidential data not available to the public"
No reimbursement by Cessna, all out of the owners pocket. It affects so many planes
it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
>
> How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a
whim? At least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
> picks up the cost of replacement.
Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
$60,000 out of every owners pocket because Cessna did a theoretical study
that contains "confidential data not available to the public"
No reimbursement by Cessna, all out of the owners pocket. It affects so
many planes it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7251#7251
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| Subject: | Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Keep in mind that the longer you run the cylinders, the less ECI will
"discount" the replacement Titan cylinders.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
<alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> I just received an AD in the mail regarding cylinder heads on
> Lycoming 320 and 360 engines manufactured by ECI. It requires
> that the cylinders be replaced before 800 hours or if you are
> over 800 than within 60 hours.... This could cost a fortune,
> who pays for this? I am a recent aircraft owner for the first
> time and have not encountered this before. I cant imagine
> that the manufacture (ECI) doesnt have some kind of
> liability. My engine just had an overhaul 40 hours ago!
>
> - Matt
If you have the cylinders on an RV, compliance is not required.
However,
most RVers will comply, and I understand that for four new cylinders the
price from ECI will be $1300 total. They aren't paying for the labor.
Welcome to an imperfect world.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 708 hours (lucky, at least for now, to have Millennium
cylinders)
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
First make sure you cylinders are the ones affected . . . I'm told that
"Classic Cast" cylinders haven't been made since 2001?? "Titan" cylinders
(post 2001) are not included in the AD. If you engine only has 40 hours on
it maybe they are ECi "Titan" cylinders?
Good Luck,
Bob
On 1/26/06, Matt Johnson <matt@n559rv.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> I just received an AD in the mail regarding cylinder heads on Lycoming 320
> and 360 engines manufactured by ECI. It requires that the
> cylinders be replaced before 800 hours or if you are over 800 than within
> 60 hours.... This could cost a fortune, who pays for this? I am a
> recent aircraft owner for the first time and have not encountered this
> before. I cant imagine that the manufacture (ECI) doesnt have some
> kind of liability. My engine just had an overhaul 40 hours ago!
>
> - Matt
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Another point . . . these cylinders were "certified" by the FAA to "perform
equal to the original manufacturer's part" . . . shouldn't the FAA pick up
their share of the blame and cost?? Perhaps ECi doesn't agree with the
FAA's conclusion . . . it becomes a sticky situation?!
Regards,
Bob
On 1/27/06, Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
>
>
> matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
> >
> > How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a
> whim? At least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
> > picks up the cost of replacement.
>
>
> Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
> $60,000 out of every owners pocket because Cessna did a theoretical study
> that contains "confidential data not available to the public"
>
> No reimbursement by Cessna, all out of the owners pocket. It affects so
> many planes it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D7251#7251
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
> Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
I believe that's exactly the reason Cessna stopped making single engined
airplanes in the 80's..............
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
> (snip)
>
> Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
> (snip)
C'mon Bruce. A lawsuit on planes that haven't been manufactured in
over 30 years? Should t-34 owners sue Beech for the wing spar ADs on
those airplanes? Small wonder that it's difficult to find honest
support for older airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "hemico" <mdasilva@ameritech.net>
Here is an interesting article on Aviation Product Liability.
http://www.avweb.com/news/avlaw/181885-1.html
Bob C...There is a small section in the article that speaks to FAA certification.
Regards,
Skippy
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7309#7309
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
That didn't stop the class action against Cessna for lack of shoulder
harnesses in their 30-40 year old planes. Before the shoulder harness was
even thought of.
However, class action lawsuits award all the plaintifs enough money to buy
dinner for one and the lawyers millions. What is the benefit? I am not a
lawyer, so none for me.
Tim
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: James Freeman
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
> (snip)
>
> Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
> (snip)
C'mon Bruce. A lawsuit on planes that haven't been manufactured in
over 30 years? Should t-34 owners sue Beech for the wing spar ADs on
those airplanes? Small wonder that it's difficult to find honest
support for older airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
I am a C414A owner. I watched this AD progress through. The cost is
probably closer to $90K with real labor rates.
FORTUNATELY, like the eci AD, it only applies in certain situations - in my
case with 18000 airframe hours. I have 4500 hours on the airframe and fly
250 hours a year. With a little math... That is another 52 years of service
I can expect.
And, if I were convinced that it were a safety issue now, I would apply the
AD. $90K is only 15% of the value of the airplane. And it is far less than
the value of my life.
I am a little bit miffed that Cessna will not share the engineering data so
we can understand it - but that is probably the result of lawyers afraid
that the data will hang them.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Freeman
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
> (snip)
>
> Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
> (snip)
C'mon Bruce. A lawsuit on planes that haven't been manufactured in
over 30 years? Should t-34 owners sue Beech for the wing spar ADs on
those airplanes? Small wonder that it's difficult to find honest
support for older airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Johnson <rv@discursion.com>
In my humble opinion, that is precisely the wrong answer. I watched the
Cessna 400 series wing spar AD unfold very closely, and at the core of
it, pretty much everyone agrees that Cessna's actions were the result of
trying to limit its exposure to liability suits. The only spar failures
recorded were in airframes that always flew fully loaded, low down in
the summer thermals, and with a light fuel load- precisely the
conditions which apply maximum stress to the wing spars. BUT, Cessna is
still on the liability hook for airplanes sold many years ago, because
they have supplied parts for them which resets the liability period for
another 17 years.
They are in an impossible situation with lawyers coming from all over
the place to take a piece. Damned if they don't take action on the
slightest indication of a problem, damned if they do because owners will
sue them for making them spend the money. My opinion? Stop class action
and liability suits on aircraft manufacturers, because that's the root
of the problem (and promote an understanding among all of mankind that
life has risks...the failure to accept this has created the litigious
business climate we have today). The Cessna 400 series wing is built
hell for stout, but that doesn't amount for shit in front of a jury.
Dave
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:07 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
>
>
>matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
>
>
>>How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a
>>
>>
>whim? At least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
>
>
>>picks up the cost of replacement.
>>
>>
>
>
>Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
>$60,000 out of every owners pocket because Cessna did a theoretical study
>that contains "confidential data not available to the public"
>
>No reimbursement by Cessna, all out of the owners pocket. It affects so
>many planes it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
>
>--------
>Milt
>N395V
>F1 Rocket
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7251#7251
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Dave, you are completely right IMHO but it shouldn't stop at aircraft
manufactures. There should be very strict criteria applied to class action
lawsuits as well.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: Dave Johnson
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Johnson <rv@discursion.com>
In my humble opinion, that is precisely the wrong answer. I watched the
Cessna 400 series wing spar AD unfold very closely, and at the core of
it, pretty much everyone agrees that Cessna's actions were the result of
trying to limit its exposure to liability suits. The only spar failures
recorded were in airframes that always flew fully loaded, low down in
the summer thermals, and with a light fuel load- precisely the
conditions which apply maximum stress to the wing spars. BUT, Cessna is
still on the liability hook for airplanes sold many years ago, because
they have supplied parts for them which resets the liability period for
another 17 years.
They are in an impossible situation with lawyers coming from all over
the place to take a piece. Damned if they don't take action on the
slightest indication of a problem, damned if they do because owners will
sue them for making them spend the money. My opinion? Stop class action
and liability suits on aircraft manufacturers, because that's the root
of the problem (and promote an understanding among all of mankind that
life has risks...the failure to accept this has created the litigious
business climate we have today). The Cessna 400 series wing is built
hell for stout, but that doesn't amount for shit in front of a jury.
Dave
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Perhaps it's time for a class action suit against Cessna.
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:07 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
>
>
>matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
>
>
>>How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a
>>
>>
>whim? At least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
>
>
>>picks up the cost of replacement.
>>
>>
>
>
>Do a search on the 400 series Cessna wing spar AD.
>
>$60,000 out of every owners pocket because Cessna did a theoretical study
>that contains "confidential data not available to the public"
>
>No reimbursement by Cessna, all out of the owners pocket. It affects so
>many planes it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
>
>--------
>Milt
>N395V
>F1 Rocket
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D7251#7251
>
>
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| Subject: | "Excess" Energy use! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jan <jan@claver.demon.co.uk>
Someone once told me a joke...You have 3 types of people who worry about the
future....
The technologist who does not worry because he think that tomorrows
technology will solve all our problems....
The conspiracy theorist who does nothing but worry as he thinks the whole
world is out to get him....
And the Americans who do not care about anything as long as the future
always have a big cup holder in the right place...
I also know one about the definition of hell based on a Englishman, a
Frenchman and a Italian ...but that is for another day..
Have a good weekend everyone and happy building !! (I am definitely going to
fit a cup holed in my RV
Jan
RV6
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:chuck515tigger@yahoo.com]
Sent: 24 January 2006 22:36
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use!
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I
mean,
We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed
people and put in Democracy !!!
Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen
Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil
sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1
million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the
reserves of the whole middle east there.
Mannan J. Thomason wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason"
>
> Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm
> tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou
> (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home).
> Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said,
> Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas
Jefferson
> wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure
how
> he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote
> for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for
example.)
>
> Mannan Thomason
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:16 PM
> Subject: RV-List: "Excess" Energy use!
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
>>
>>
>>Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the
>>enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY?? This
>>stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now
>>believe
>>it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW. Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were
>>people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same
>>argument
>>was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's
>>now 33 years after that. If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and
>>shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we
>>possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY!
>>WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!! WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY
>>HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by
>>mandating
>>"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the
>>road)
>>and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one
>>hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping
>>the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)?
>>Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much
>>as
>>the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing
>>us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it!
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>>Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away
>>just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy. The
>>politicians
>>and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new
>>energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially
>>for
>>hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature
>>run
>>its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and
>>if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices
>>to
>>the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources
>>(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance"
>>in
>>the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to
>>invest in alternate sources). In the USA the enviro wackos are using
>>pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the
>>local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd
>>have
>>if we could explore everywhere. If you feel so guilty about using so much
>>oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling
>>cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to
>>pay the chiropracter.
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>>BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to make
>>a
>>point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest
>>groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been
>>trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive!
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>>Dean Psiropoulos
>>RV-6A N197DM
>>Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does
>>feel
>>it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may
>>be going to support radical Islam)!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Carlton <jcarlton3@cox.net>
I'll research, but maybe a bit of help. Attaching the VS skin to the nose ribs
I have a little dimple occurring where the rib flange pushes against the
skin. I'm trying to match drill and it's leaving a pretty good dent. Any
ideas? Has this happened to other RV10 vertical stab builders?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: "Excess" Energy use! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
<snip>
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> I also know one about the definition of hell based on a Englishman, a
> Frenchman and a Italian ...but that is for another day..
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Hey, I know that one but I heard it with a fighter pilot, a Russian
nurse and the Pope.
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| Subject: | dent in vertical stab skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Carlton <jcarlton3@cox.net>
thanks for the time guys but my research found the answer on Tim Olson's
site...thanks Tim and I KNEW there was an answer out there...just wish I
found it before I dented the skin...and I even read the rest of the plans but
didn't see the reference in the horizontal stab section...
Jim
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| Subject: | Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow Sensor |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
I just got my fuel flow sensor for my AF2500 Engine Monitor and
I'm wondering on the best place/way to mount it.
(The sensor is an Electronics International Inc (Bend, Orgeon)
Model FT-60.)
I'm building a 9 (same fuse more-or-less as the 7). I'm
putting in an IO-320 from Aerosport. Plans have you run the
fuel feed line from the AFP high pressure pump below the tank
selector valve to the firewall between the center floor
stiffeners.
There's not a whole lot of room in there and the latest style
sensor is rectangular block of red anodized aluminum measuring
some 1.25 x 1.25 x 2". I believe the preferred method is to
mount it with the wires exiting the top - which means the
mounting bolts would be vertical.
Anyone out there have experience with this sensor ? Did you
locate it in the cabin floor tunnel forward of the pump ? Did
you bolt it to the floor, or glue it ?
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow |
Sensor
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
Gerry,
I used double sided tape. Along with the fuel lines I think it will stay
put. I did have to build a "dog house" over the cut out in the tunnel
cover. Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: RV-List: Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel
Flow Sensor
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
I just got my fuel flow sensor for my AF2500 Engine Monitor and
I'm wondering on the best place/way to mount it.
(The sensor is an Electronics International Inc (Bend, Orgeon)
Model FT-60.)
I'm building a 9 (same fuse more-or-less as the 7). I'm
putting in an IO-320 from Aerosport. Plans have you run the
fuel feed line from the AFP high pressure pump below the tank
selector valve to the firewall between the center floor
stiffeners.
There's not a whole lot of room in there and the latest style
sensor is rectangular block of red anodized aluminum measuring
some 1.25 x 1.25 x 2". I believe the preferred method is to
mount it with the wires exiting the top - which means the
mounting bolts would be vertical.
Anyone out there have experience with this sensor ? Did you
locate it in the cabin floor tunnel forward of the pump ? Did
you bolt it to the floor, or glue it ?
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
What is easy way to determine which airports have autogas aka mogas for planning
XC stops?
Indiana Larry, RV7
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| Subject: | Re: dent in vertical stab skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jim,
Sorry to hear you were late in getting the info. I was irritated
by that one myself. But, now that it's painted it's pretty
much invisible, so hope is not lost.
Question, are you a -10 builder? If so, you should join in
on the RV10-List here on Matronics. Just wanted to make
sure you found your way there.
On the same site you found that tip, I'm trying to keep many
more and when I'm done and flying (maybe 1 month away) I'll
be adding even more to it.
Good luck,
Tim
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Jim Carlton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Carlton <jcarlton3@cox.net>
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> thanks for the time guys but my research found the answer on Tim Olson's
> site...thanks Tim and I KNEW there was an answer out there...just wish I
> found it before I dented the skin...and I even read the rest of the plans but
> didn't see the reference in the horizontal stab section...
> Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Check out www.airnav.com
Type in the airport identifier(s) that you need and it will list sevices at
each in regards to what fuel is available, as well as fairly current prices.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Getting close
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: mogas
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
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> What is easy way to determine which airports have autogas aka mogas for
> planning XC stops?
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> Indiana Larry, RV7
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| Subject: | Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Thank you everyone who has responded to my posts. These forums are very helpful
and provide a lot of insite and guidance...
Regarding these AD's it amazes me that the manufacturer is not liable. I have always
heard of the huge amounts of liability that
manufacturers take in the aviation field yet they are not held responsible for
these blantantly defective parts in most of the issued
AD's... very strange.
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Troubling Airworthiness Directive...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
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> matt(at)n559rv.com wrote:
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> > How often do people get AD's that cost them thousands of dollars on a
> whim? At least with cars they are recalls and the manufacturer
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> study that contains "confidential data not available to the public"
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> so many planes it will take Cessna 5 years to mfg all the kits.
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced Flight Systems AF2500 Engine Monitor - Fuel Flow |
Sensor
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Here is where I mounted mine:
http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/Baffling.htm Click the picture
to view it bigger.
Can't tell you how well this we be yet. I got the idea from the RV6A
that Superior has on display at Sun-n-fun and Oshkosh.
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
Gerry Filby wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
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>I just got my fuel flow sensor for my AF2500 Engine Monitor and
>I'm wondering on the best place/way to mount it.
>
>(The sensor is an Electronics International Inc (Bend, Orgeon)
>Model FT-60.)
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>I'm building a 9 (same fuse more-or-less as the 7). I'm
>putting in an IO-320 from Aerosport. Plans have you run the
>fuel feed line from the AFP high pressure pump below the tank
>selector valve to the firewall between the center floor
>stiffeners.
>
>There's not a whole lot of room in there and the latest style
>sensor is rectangular block of red anodized aluminum measuring
>some 1.25 x 1.25 x 2". I believe the preferred method is to
>mount it with the wires exiting the top - which means the
>mounting bolts would be vertical.
>
>Anyone out there have experience with this sensor ? Did you
>locate it in the cabin floor tunnel forward of the pump ? Did
>you bolt it to the floor, or glue it ?
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>__g__
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>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
> Tel: 415 203 9177
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
It will also let you say what type fuel you are looking for and show all
airports within so many miles of a specific airport. You should also
call ahead to insure the info is current. We use to have it but no
longer do. I think the info still says we do. I know two airports not
far from here that has it. Murray, KY and Springfeild, TN
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
Jeff Orear wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
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>Check out www.airnav.com
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>Type in the airport identifier(s) that you need and it will list sevices at
>each in regards to what fuel is available, as well as fairly current prices.
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>Regards,
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>Jeff Orear
>RV6A N782P (reserved)
>Getting close
>Peshtigo, WI
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:59 PM
>Subject: RV-List: mogas
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