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1. 02:46 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ ()
2. 03:23 AM - Service variations (Nic)
3. 03:56 AM - Service variations - Intercom (Glen Matejcek)
4. 04:39 AM - Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Smitty)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (linn Walters)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: Service variations (Charlie Kuss)
7. 05:36 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bill Schlatterer)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (smittysrv)
9. 06:17 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bruce Gray)
11. 06:26 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (smittysrv)
12. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV9)
13. 06:29 AM - Re: 1st rivet's confussion (Tailgummer@aol.com)
14. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bob Collins)
15. 06:43 AM - Re: Engine problems (AYRES, JIMMY L)
16. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 07:02 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (smittysrv)
18. 07:05 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Fly n Low)
19. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bob Collins)
21. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Folbrecht, Paul)
22. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bob Collins)
23. 07:21 AM - Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (smittysrv)
24. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
25. 07:27 AM - Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Folbrecht, Paul)
26. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
27. 07:39 AM - Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
28. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Bob Collins)
29. 08:15 AM - Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Mickey Coggins)
30. 08:17 AM - Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Glaeser, Dennis A)
31. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
32. 08:40 AM - Low Time IO-360 A1A (Rhonda Bewley)
33. 08:59 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Tedd McHenry)
34. 09:06 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Jim Anglin)
35. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins))
36. 10:20 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Mickey Coggins)
37. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Folbrecht, Paul)
38. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Tim Olson)
39. 11:08 AM - Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint (Folbrecht, Paul)
40. 11:33 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Dwight Frye)
41. 11:34 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Tedd McHenry)
42. 11:40 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Gerry Filby)
43. 11:53 AM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Kysh)
44. 12:01 PM - O320 to O360 conversion (AYRES, JIMMY L)
45. 12:05 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (linn Walters)
46. 12:14 PM - Re: O320 to O360 conversion (bdjones1965)
47. 12:16 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
48. 12:16 PM - Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint (Folbrecht, Paul)
49. 12:39 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Chuck Jensen)
50. 12:41 PM - Re: O320 to O360 conversion (BPA)
51. 01:06 PM - Re: O320 to O360 conversion (Darrell Reiley)
52. 01:09 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Dwight Frye)
53. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: O320 to O360 conversion (Oliver Washburn)
54. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Kevin Horton)
55. 02:13 PM - RV Wiki FAQ Do not archive (Ron Lee)
56. 02:53 PM - Re: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint (Charlie Kuss)
57. 02:56 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (c.ennis)
58. 03:25 PM - Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Randy Lervold)
59. 03:31 PM - Re: PC Simulators (Scott Diffenbaugh)
60. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Paul Trotter)
61. 04:10 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Darrell Reiley)
62. 04:19 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Kyle Boatright)
63. 04:28 PM - Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? (Mark Burns)
64. 04:43 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (James Freeman)
65. 04:54 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Alex Peterson)
66. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (PJ Seipel)
67. 05:11 PM - Re: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint (Bob Perkinson)
68. 05:22 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Jerry Grimmonpre)
69. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye (Paul Trotter)
70. 05:56 PM - Re: RV Wiki FAQ (Jerry Springer)
71. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: O320 to O360 conversion (Bruce Gray)
72. 07:27 PM - Rudder questions (Sherman Butler)
73. 07:30 PM - nut plate revets (Sherman Butler)
74. 07:38 PM - Re: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint (Patrick Kelley)
75. 09:52 PM - Re: nut plate revets (Bob C.)
76. 10:45 PM - Request for Kitplanes Magazine: Avionics Shops for Hazard Avoidance Installation (Cory Emberson)
77. 11:30 PM - Re: nut plate revets (Vanremog@aol.com)
78. 11:53 PM - Re: nut plate revets (Jeff Point)
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--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use
because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a
given subject line. I don't want to spend a lot of time going through a lot
of trash mail just to find out that I didn't get the answer to my question,
anyway. Some think of the RV-list as a chat room that's open for discussion
on anything. If "do not archive" is used, it's not a totally bad thing;
but, many don't use it and fill the archives with garbage mail that keeps
building and building. If Matt had some way to clean out the garbage, that
would be fine; but, he keeps adding more lists, which makes it even more
difficult to manage at the micro level. I know nothing about wikis and
blogs; but, I may have to go back to the wiki and take a second look. It
may be what we more serious listers are looking for. I've been on the
RV-list for about ten years; but, I can change.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
RV-7A #70317 (finishing wings)
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
> My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to
> use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much
> more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher
> won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to
> find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you still must
> read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts
> written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject
> line, etc to get an answer.
>
> Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl
> around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how
> useful they can be.
>
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| Subject: | Service variations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Bob - I don't have an issue with items that are on backorder, I do however
think that suppliers have a duty to stick to their promises. In this case
ACS promised fast track delivery on the items I ordered, and only when they
didn't arrive ten days later and I chased them did they finally admit that
the goods would not be despatched for weeks to come.
Had I known this from the outset it would have saved me numerous overseas
calls and I would have ordered from an outlet that had the goods ready to
ship.
Many thanks for all the help to source an alternative intercom, Now I just
need to know which is the best two place 2 1/4" intercom with music input
that is available off the shelf at any reasonable price.
Rgds, Nic
> Sunday night I ordered some parts from ACS and I received them Wedensday
> USPS. I don't know how they could get much quicker, unless I paid the
> overnight freight.
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| Subject: | Service variations - Intercom |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Service variations - Intercom
Hi Nic-
I agree that ACS has the greatest catalog and also agree with all the
negatives that have been offered up. To add one, I had occasion to require
a special order part. I was unable to determine from the catalog if Spruce
could help, so I called for guidance. The ACS employee on the other end
assured me that they could have it special made. When the part arrived, it
was the wrong thing. When I called again, the agent I got was rather short
and condescending about my having ordered the wrong item.
On the other hand, Wicks has sent me the wrong item twice, but they are
always pleasant to deal with. Also, since I only live one state away, an
order placed in the morning will generally arrive the following afternoon
with their regular shipping rates. Not much to complain about there.
WRT the intercom issue, I believe that PS Engineering's PMA 4000 can be had
with a face plate for a std instrument hole.
>
>At the other end of the scale, Aircraft Spruce... ...I am
>at a loss as I urgently need a suitable 2 place intercom with a face plate
>that will fit a 21/4" hole in my existing panel - any suggestions please ?
>
>Thanks, Nic
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be decommisioned
on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking forward to reading
about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV world. These messages from
on high (altitude that is) brought joy and meaning to my life in a time when
work was not much fun. They, and the Matronics list are the reason that I'm
building my very own RV today.
I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.
Smitty's RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Smitty, I left the yahoo email list a long time ago, but still monitored
it. I'm wondering about the 'personal gain' part. Would you be so kind
as to elaborate??? I'm of the opinion that it died because of the slow
response time and the 'approval' process. A monitored (and owned) list
does have it's good points, as pointed out by Jim Sears. Sometimes
there are threads on the Matronics liststhat go on and on and have no
relation to the subject of the list at all. Well, I'll put up with that
in the interest of free flow of info. It was also a great PITA to put
up with Yahoo ads, and the login was always getting screwed up (for me
anyway). So I left.
I also like the consolidation of multiple lists and appreciate the
talent that resides on the Matronics lists. You'll find a lot of 'lost
yahoo builders' here. And just remember that in life, as on the lists
..... you'll make new 'friends' easily.
Linn
do not archive ....... and this need to be used a whole lot more!!!!
Smitty wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
>So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be decommisioned
>on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking forward to reading
>about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV world. These messages from
>on high (altitude that is) brought joy and meaning to my life in a time when
>work was not much fun. They, and the Matronics list are the reason that I'm
>building my very own RV today.
>
>I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.
>
>Smitty's RV-9A
>http://SmittysRV.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Service variations |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Nic,
I would suggest that in future, when dealing with ACS, you do your
ordering off of their web site. Their site will show you whether the item
in question is in stock (and at which of their two warehouses) or on back
order. I've also found that often the web site price is slightly lower (5%)
than the listed paper catalog price. I really like using the web site to
order from them.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Bob - I don't have an issue with items that are on backorder, I do however
>think that suppliers have a duty to stick to their promises. In this case
>ACS promised fast track delivery on the items I ordered, and only when they
>didn't arrive ten days later and I chased them did they finally admit that
>the goods would not be despatched for weeks to come.
>
>Had I known this from the outset it would have saved me numerous overseas
>calls and I would have ordered from an outlet that had the goods ready to
>ship.
>
>Many thanks for all the help to source an alternative intercom, Now I just
>need to know which is the best two place 2 1/4" intercom with music input
>that is available off the shelf at any reasonable price.
>
>Rgds, Nic
>
> > Sunday night I ordered some parts from ACS and I received them Wedensday
> > USPS. I don't know how they could get much quicker, unless I paid the
> > overnight freight.
>
>
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| Subject: | Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Why ?
Bill S
7a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Smitty
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be decommisioned
on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking forward to reading
about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV world. These messages from
on high (altitude that is) brought joy and meaning to my life in a time when
work was not much fun. They, and the Matronics list are the reason that I'm
building my very own RV today.
I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.
Smitty's RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Hi Linn,
I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I get to
my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they happen. I
don't want to have to go a website to search read for submissions. The Yahoo email
messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading submissions that
sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current construction phase.
For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in all
of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given up a
long time ago trying to find anything on the forum website for this reason.
I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15 responses,
as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an email to
the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the other builders email boxes,
a few minutes after it is posted.
It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed full
of advertisements.
Smitty
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Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8101#8101
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| Subject: | Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The response time and approval process are both controlled by the owner of the
group. Unmoderated lists on Yahoo are lightning fast, even faster than our list
here. The personal gain part alludes to the fact the current owner of the
Yahoo lists can not control, or insert, advertising for which he has substantial
gain on his own website.
There is absolutely no reason why the current owner of the lists can't either
turn off moderation or turn the list over to someone else to continue on the
legacy and searchable archive. I'm willing to bet he will not release the list
names either thereby preventing someone else from recreating them and continuing
on. Either way the community looses out on a resource.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Smitty, I left the yahoo email list a long time ago, but still monitored it. I'm
wondering about the 'personal gain' part. Would you be so kind as to elaborate???
I'm of the opinion that it died because of the slow response time and
the 'approval' process. A monitored (and owned) list does have it's good points,
as pointed out by Jim Sears. Sometimes there are threads on the Matronics
liststhat go on and on and have no relation to the subject of the list at all.
Well, I'll put up with that in the interest of free flow of info. It was also
a great PITA to put up with Yahoo ads, and the login was always getting screwed
up (for me anyway). So I left.
I also like the consolidation of multiple lists and appreciate the talent that
resides on the Matronics lists. You'll find a lot of 'lost yahoo builders' here.
And just remember that in life, as on the lists ..... you'll make new 'friends'
easily.
Linn
do not archive ....... and this need to be used a whole lot more!!!!
Smitty wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
>So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be
>decommisioned on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking
>forward to reading about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV
>world. These messages from on high (altitude that is) brought joy and
>meaning to my life in a time when work was not much fun. They, and the
>Matronics list are the reason that I'm building my very own RV today.
>
>I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.
>
>Smitty's RV-9A
>http://SmittysRV.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Huh? Matronics RV list is email based.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smittysrv
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Hi Linn,
I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I
get to my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they
happen. I don't want to have to go a website to search read for submissions.
The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading
submissions that sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current
construction phase.
For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in
all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given
up a long time ago trying to find anything on the forum website for this
reason.
I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15
responses, as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an
email to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the other builders
email boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.
It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is
jammed full of advertisements.
Smitty
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8101#8101
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I'm not talking about the Matronics email list. My concern is about the loss of
the Yahoo email list and being incouraged to go the Van's Air Force Forum website.
Smitty
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8116#8116
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: RV9 <rv9@charter.net>
More than a year ago when Doug Reeves threatened to shut down the Yahoo lists I
initiated four RV related Yahoo lists of my own to take their place if and when
he really shut down the originals. I, like many others, prefer an Email list that's
moderated. The sorry thing is that the archives will die when Doug pulls the
plug. A number of people found these lists on their own and subscribed but there
hasn't been a lot of activity because of the small subscriber base.
If you would like to move over to the new Yahoo lists, here are the Email
addresses to subscribe :
RV-7-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
RV-10-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
RV-9-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
vans-airforce-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
We can also create additional YAHOO groups if desired.
--
Best regards,
Steve Mottin
Granbury, Texas
mailto:rv9@charter.net
P.S. I also subscribe to and like the Matronics lists, but sometimes their
unmoderated nature can lead to some really off-topic posts.
Monday, January 30, 2006, 7:55:00 AM, you wrote:
-->> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
s> Hi Linn,
s> I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I get
to my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they happen.
I don't want to have to go a website to
s> search read for submissions. The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have
learned a lot from reading submissions that sometimes don't necessarly apply to
me in my current construction phase.
s> For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in all
of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given up
a long time ago trying to find anything
s> on the forum website for this reason.
s> I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15 responses,
as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an email
to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes
s> directly to the other builders email boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.
s> It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed
full of advertisements.
s> Smitty
s> --------
s> Smittys RV-9A
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| Subject: | Re: 1st rivet's confussion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tailgummer@aol.com
One thing to keep in mind is that if you ever needed to drill out and
replace a rivet, it is way easier and more accurate (less likely to enlarge or
mess
up a hole) if you have access to the manufactured head.
John D'Onofrio RV8
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Anybody can set up a Yahoogroup. Just set one up and then post a message in
the one that's departing.
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smittysrv
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:24 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> I'm not talking about the Matronics email list. My concern is
> about the loss of the Yahoo email list and being incouraged
> to go the Van's Air Force Forum website.
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> Smittys RV-9A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES@entergy.com>
Many thanks to all who provided feedback in helping me identify my engine
problem. I finally had time of the past weekend to try some of the many
suggestions. And as most of you who responded guessed, it was an induction
leak.
I connected the discharge side of a shop vac to the bottom of the carb
intake, duct taped it up the best I could and turn the vac on. Then began
spraying soapy water around the induction components.
I immediately began to see bubbles forming at the right rear induction tube
near the engine. Turns out that the steel tube that inserts into the
aluminum cast oil pan was loose and leaking.
Again, many thanks to everyone who helped point me to the problem.
Jimmy Ayres
RV6A - flying
RV7A - building
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I believe he was talking about the owners replacement to the Yahoo email lists
are forums. That's the nice thing about the Matronics lists, they are in both
formats giving people the option of using either and not missing anything.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Huh? Matronics RV list is email based.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smittysrv
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Hi Linn,
I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I get to
my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they happen. I
don't want to have to go a website to search read for submissions.
The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading submissions
that sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current construction
phase.
For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in all
of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given up a
long time ago trying to find anything on the forum website for this reason.
I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15 responses,
as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an email to
the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the other builders email boxes,
a few minutes after it is posted.
It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed full
of advertisements.
Smitty
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Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D8101#8101
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Clearly the loss of the Yahoo RV Email Groups will be a great shot in the arm for
the Matronics Email List. I can see that Matronics system will become (if not
already) the number one source of immediate info for RV builders. The Vans
Air Force website is still a great place to go for the latest stories and pictures,
but their forum will never surpass Matronics.
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Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8133#8133
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Fly n Low" <flynlow@usaviator.net>
AMEN JIM;
I have been on the list for about a year and have found it to be very time
consuming to gain anything from it. I have ask questions a couple of time
and been ignored. The list does not seem to cater to anyone who is building
a traditional airplane, rather it seem to be for those building high tech
machines. I have found that over the past few months I have not even read
the emails, simply stored them. This one simply caught my eye so I am
responding.
Bud Silvers
RV - 8 finishing in Colorado...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
sears@searnet.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Wiki FAQ
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use
because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a
given subject line. I don't want to spend a lot of time going through a lot
of trash mail just to find out that I didn't get the answer to my question,
anyway. Some think of the RV-list as a chat room that's open for discussion
on anything. If "do not archive" is used, it's not a totally bad thing;
but, many don't use it and fill the archives with garbage mail that keeps
building and building. If Matt had some way to clean out the garbage, that
would be fine; but, he keeps adding more lists, which makes it even more
difficult to manage at the micro level. I know nothing about wikis and
blogs; but, I may have to go back to the wiki and take a second look. It
may be what we more serious listers are looking for. I've been on the
RV-list for about ten years; but, I can change.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
RV-7A #70317 (finishing wings)
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
> My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to
> use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much
> more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher
> won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to
> find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you still must
> read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts
> written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject
> line, etc to get an answer.
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> Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl
> around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how
> useful they can be.
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
What is the benefit for doing this? The big thing is we loose the Yahoo archives.
Creating new lists just creates another list to watch or splits the base
from here. Seems like it would be more valuable to encourage people to join
the Matronics lists if the Yahoo lists are being killed.
My $0.02
Michael Sausen
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV9
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: RV9 <rv9@charter.net>
More than a year ago when Doug Reeves threatened to shut down the Yahoo lists I
initiated four RV related Yahoo lists of my own to take their place if and when
he really shut down the originals. I, like many others, prefer an Email list
that's moderated. The sorry thing is that the archives will die when Doug pulls
the plug. A number of people found these lists on their own and subscribed
but there hasn't been a lot of activity because of the small subscriber base.
If you would like to move over to the new Yahoo lists, here are the Email addresses
to subscribe :
RV-7-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
RV-10-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
RV-9-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
vans-airforce-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
We can also create additional YAHOO groups if desired.
--
Best regards,
Steve Mottin
Granbury, Texas
mailto:rv9@charter.net
P.S. I also subscribe to and like the Matronics lists, but sometimes their unmoderated
nature can lead to some really off-topic posts.
Monday, January 30, 2006, 7:55:00 AM, you wrote:
-->> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
s> Hi Linn,
s> I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct
s> response I get to my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions
as they happen. I don't want to have to go a website to search read for submissions.
The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading
submissions that sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current construction
phase.
s> For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to
s> pull in all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have
given up a long time ago trying to find anything on the forum website for this
reason.
s> I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over
s> 15 responses, as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an
email to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the other builders email
boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.
s> It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed
full of advertisements.
s> Smitty
s> --------
s> Smittys RV-9A
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Oh by the way, you can find a list of all the people who are on a
Yahoogroups list just by clicking "members" on the left side navigation. So
if you wanted to start a group and put the work into it, the data is
available to allow you to do that. But it takes time.
Do not archive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:41 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Anybody can set up a Yahoogroup. Just set one up and then
> post a message in the one that's departing.
>
> Do not archive
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smittysrv
> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:24 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
> >
> > I'm not talking about the Matronics email list. My concern is
> > about the loss of the Yahoo email list and being incouraged
> > to go the Van's Air Force Forum website.
> >
> > Smitty
> >
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> > Smittys RV-9A
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Which begs the question as to why the other lists are needed at all.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I believe he was talking about the owners replacement to the Yahoo email
lists are forums. That's the nice thing about the Matronics lists, they
are in both formats giving people the option of using either and not
missing anything.
Michael
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Losing the archive is no big deal since the Yahoo search engine is so
pathetic. I think Yahoogroups, because of the e-mail fucntion -- is a good
way of getting stuff answered in a hurry, but it's not a good place to
retrieve archived information. For that, Matronics lists are superior and
probably the best format out there.
The Forums are a nice thing for threaded discussion but, because there are
so many, it's a bit more difficlt to get the attention of the eyeballs who
may have the answer you're looking for. The new RSS functions on the VAF
aren't very good and don't come close to the RSS functionality of the
Yahoogroups. There is, of course, no RSS functionality with the Matronics
lists.
Every format has its advantages and disadvantages, which presumably, is why
most people -- well, at leat a lot of peopl e-- have regularly hung out in
all three.
Do not archive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV9
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:23 AM
> To: smittysrv
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: RV9 <rv9@charter.net>
>
>
>
>
> More than a year ago when Doug Reeves threatened to shut down
> the Yahoo lists I initiated four RV related Yahoo lists of my
> own to take their place if and when he really shut down the
> originals. I, like many others, prefer an Email list that's
> moderated. The sorry thing is that the archives will die when
> Doug pulls the plug. A number of people found these lists on
> their own and subscribed but there hasn't been a lot of
> activity because of the small subscriber base. If you would
> like to move over to the new Yahoo lists, here are the Email
> addresses to subscribe :
>
>
> RV-7-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> RV-10-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> RV-9-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> vans-airforce-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> We can also create additional YAHOO groups if desired.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Mottin
> Granbury, Texas
> mailto:rv9@charter.net
>
> P.S. I also subscribe to and like the Matronics lists, but
> sometimes their unmoderated nature can lead to some really
> off-topic posts.
>
>
> Monday, January 30, 2006, 7:55:00 AM, you wrote:
>
> -->> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> s> Hi Linn,
>
> s> I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct
> s> response I get to my office email box. I get to read everybodys
> s> submissions as they happen. I don't want to have to go a
> website to
> s> search read for submissions. The Yahoo email messages
> "come to you".
> s> I have learned a lot from reading submissions that sometimes don't
> s> necessarly apply to me in my current construction phase.
>
> s> For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to
> s> pull in all of advertisement images on the forum website takes
> s> forever. I have given up a long time ago trying to find
> anything on
> s> the forum website for this reason.
>
> s> I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email
> and got over
> s> 15 responses, as compare the "1" I got from the forum
> website. When I
> s> post an email to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the
> s> other builders email boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.
>
> s> It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum
> website that
> s> is jammed full of advertisements.
>
> s> Smitty
>
> s> --------
> s> Smittys RV-9A
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Good point Michael! I hadn't thought of that. The loss of the Yahoo RV email archives
will indeed be bad. I gone there many times when in dire need of information
about certain building processes. Putting builders in a bind, in the name
of advertising revenues.
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8142#8142
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/06 8:03:14 AM Central Standard Time,
smitty@smittysrv.com writes:
> For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in
> all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever.
>>>>
And a very special thanks to Matt for keeping the Matronics lists text-only
for us who prefer buying airplane gas instead of high speed internet access!
Annual fundraiser HUGELY preferred to mindless ads...........
And again I'll heartily second comments against archive stuffing by sloppy
listers too lazy or thoughtless as to exclude a simple do not archive on
irrelevant stuff.........
Mark
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| Subject: | Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I am close to finishing up my HS and will be doing so this week. I have
got to wondering about whether I should do the tips when it's done or
just wait and do all of them at the end.
I lean towards the latter because I'm afraid of fiberglass, and,
seriously, it seems to make more sense to do it all at once (though I
guess that is going to mean several weeks of hell all at once).
Are there any good reasons I should do the tail tips earlier?
Paul
9A QB #1176
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to make it through moderation
on the Yahoo lists. When the RV-10 builders mutinied and moved from Yahoo
to Matronics, most of the posts letting everyone know where we went were
removed from the archives and then blocked once the owner of the list caught on.
We also were routinely having edited posts without any comment that they were
edited by the moderator. I'm willing to bet he is being even more diligent
if he is shutting down the lists.
Michael Sausen
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Anybody can set up a Yahoogroup. Just set one up and then post a message in the
one that's departing.
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of smittysrv
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:24 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>
> I'm not talking about the Matronics email list. My concern is about
> the loss of the Yahoo email list and being incouraged to go the Van's
> Air Force Forum website.
>
> Smitty
>
> --------
> Smittys RV-9A
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D8116#8116
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/06 9:29:35 AM Central Standard Time,
PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com writes:
> Are there any good reasons I should do the tail tips earlier?
>>>
Hi Paul-
I waited til the end and glad I did. It gave me a lot more time to look at
other planes and decide how I wanted to attach them- actually changed my mind a
couple of times before committing to final arrangement. Doing all at same
time probably will save some time, and your materials/skills will be fresher.
You WILL have to deal with that cowling & the gear legs eventually!
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to
> make it through moderation on the Yahoo lists.
I would. They have in the past and the moderators are good people. I canonly
speak for the 7/7A lists however.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Are there any good reasons I should do the tail tips earlier?
Just to give you a taste of the fun to come. Personally,
I'd wait. You will have more experience later, and they
will turn out better. I tried to get fancy with mine,
and they turned out terrible. If I had waited until I
had the chance to see other people's empennage tips, I
would have just made them very simple. I have a feeling
that I'll be re-doing mine, at least the elevator
tips. Yuck.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
It's really personal choice. No technical or building issues either
way. I got my tail F/G started while waiting for my wings to arrive.
Did the same with the wing tips, waiting for the fuselage. None of it
is done because the new stuff arrived, but at least some of the work is
done.
Dennis Glaeser
7A Fuselage
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com
I am close to finishing up my HS and will be doing so this week. I have
got to wondering about whether I should do the tips when it's done or
just wait and do all of them at the end.
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I agree, the moderators are good people. I'm talking about the owner of the list
and I am speaking from fact on the -10 Yahoo list.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to make it
> through moderation on the Yahoo lists.
I would. They have in the past and the moderators are good people. I canonly speak
for the 7/7A lists however.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Low Time IO-360 A1A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
One of our customers is replacing his low-time (300 hours since new)
IO-360-A1A with one of our IO-390s and asked me to send a message to let
the list know that his engine is for sale. I don't know any other
details about the engine He is located in France. His name is
Christophe Jacquard with Corsair Warbird, Ltd.. He can be reached by
fax at +33 03 80 35 69 19 for additional information if you are
interested.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Our vision for the RV Wiki has always been that it would be complementary to
the RV List and the other email lists and forums. The wiki is more like that
folder full of RV List posts that you keep because they have information you
think is valuable. Only it's everyone's folder of valuable posts all compiled
together, with indexes, cross references, and a search engine.
At the moment, there are only 25 wiki members, most of whom have yet to
contribute more than a few words or a link here and there. So it's like the RV
List in the very early days when it had about 25 members. Each day it grows
and gets a little better, and the potential is unlimited.
Probably the best current example of what the wiki can be is the article Gluing
Your Canopy.
http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Gluing_Your_Canopy
The original article was posted by Rob Prior a week ago last Friday, and was
very good. It has since been revised and added to about twenty times, by
several different people, and is now probably the best single source of
information on canopy gluing anywhere.
Most builders I know feel that their knowledge or opinion is so limited,
compared to The Greats, that they're reluctant to write it down in a public
place like the wiki. But there's really no need to feel shy. One of the best
things you can do on the wiki is start a new subject that you think is
worthwhile, even if your knowledge about it is limited. Others will come along
and add their wisdom or, if necessary, correct your mistakes.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I think you missed the point Larry. He is asking for people to make contributions
to the Wiki pages. I have used them, made contributions, and find them very
helpful. Go to the site and see what is being developed there. When many
people have contributed and this site is a wealth of information the archives
on Matronics sites will have cobwebs from lack of use. As far as I am concerned
the Wiki pages are the new wave of fingertip info. I avoid the list archives
like the plague because it takes forever to browse your way through a hundred
hits to find the right info. That is why there are so many redundant questions
on the list. Don't misunderstand me - the list is a great place (it would
be better without the usenet mentality I see here a lot) and I have been lurking
here since it first started and it has helped me a lot. I just think the
Wiki will be a good source of information without the encumbrances of email
articles that a person has no interest in.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
I think Doug's shown himself to be a good guy too. YMMV.
Bob
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
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> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:47 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
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> > through moderation on the Yahoo lists.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Our vision for the RV Wiki has always been that it would be complementary to
> the RV List and the other email lists and forums. The wiki is more like that
> folder full of RV List posts that you keep because they have information you
> think is valuable. Only it's everyone's folder of valuable posts all compiled
> together, with indexes, cross references, and a search engine.
I think this is an excellent project, and I applaud your
work to get this going.
One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,
and what are the long term plans for it? You're not
going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and
then you get to make millions on google ads? :-)
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
That settles it. I'll stick with Al & steel for now and do all the
glass work at once.
Thx.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Michael's right about this. Posts were edited so that any
information pointing people to Matronics was excluded,
among other things being edited out.
In the end though, Smitty, what you'll find is that this will
be a good thing. The Matronics List is superior to the Yahoo
lists in many ways, and the archives are more "permanent" and
can give a more complete search response. Also, I think that
unless people want the form based list style, there is a benefit
to keeping a fairly unified group of builders together in a
single spot. If you have questions, it's nice to have the
whole community there to answer. Multiple lists just
fractures the group and people get confused about where
the resources are (think new builders just starting
their kit). Matt has done a bunch of things to improve
the RV-10 list. I'm not sure how much he has on the other
lists, but we can post some limited attachments, we have web
forum style availability, and he shortened our email footer
for us, among other things. If they aren't on this list,
I'd bet they could be with a few requests. Spam here
is low, and ads are almost non-existant. Tons of great
RV stuff delivered direct to your inbox.
Oh, and at donation time each year, you have the opportunity
to get a CD of the entire archive. So, you know the stuff
just isn't going away. Good info long into the future.
Just don't forget the appropriate use of: Do Not Archive,
which in itself is a super feature of this list.
Tim Olson -- RV-10
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
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> I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to make it
> through moderation on the Yahoo lists. When the RV-10 builders
> mutinied and moved from Yahoo to Matronics, most of the posts letting
> everyone know where we went were removed from the archives and then
> blocked once the owner of the list caught on. We also were routinely
> having edited posts without any comment that they were edited by the
> moderator. I'm willing to bet he is being even more diligent if he
> is shutting down the lists.
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> Michael Sausen Do not archive
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> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:41 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
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> Anybody can set up a Yahoogroup. Just set one up and then post a
> message in the one that's departing.
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| Subject: | Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I hate to have to post this.
As the title says, I have a slight gap in two ribs - one on each side.
It is at least wide enough to get a piece of paper under. I have not
yet installed the rear spar so I could drill these out and re-rivet.
Something tells me that I really ought to. Is it something I would need
to worry about? Is it a strength issue?
Paul
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Mon Jan 30 13:18:56 2006, Mickey Coggins wrote :
>One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,
>and what are the long term plans for it? You're not
>going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and
>then you get to make millions on google ads? :-)
This is an excellent question, and as one of the "owners" I'll jump
in and give my answer. At the moment I, technically, "own" the RV
Wiki in as much as I pay for the hosting, have registered the domain
name, and try and keep the technical end of things working. Tedd is,
in my opinion, the other "owner" as he has taken on the awesome task
of being RV-Wiki content shepherd and prime evangelist.
Long term plans (and it is my belief that Tedd and I are completely
in sync on this) are to simply grow it as best we can. No Google ads.
No "premium access" games where you pay a fee for the "good stuff".
No tricks. The intent is to strive to create a value repository of
information ... one complimentary to all the existing forums and
mailing lists. It is *different*, and as such does not replace any
of them, but simply adds new value to the options builders have for
getting needed/useful information.
Because of this we actually have some concern about our ability to
support the site ... and may, eventually, have to solicit for some
donations. We aren't there yet, and hope to not be for some time to
come. Until there is enough value to make it *worth* people donating
then it really isn't an issue. :) Don't get me wrong, there is some
good stuff there already. I'm, personally, very impressed. But it is
clearly in the early stages and has a long way to go. So you may well
see a PayPal link show up on the RV Wiki one day, but it will be an
optional and voluntary donation link, not a sign-up-to-access sort of
link.
Finally, I believe that the REAL answer to your question is that
*every* *single* *contributor* "owns" the RV-Wiki. Yes this is a very
idealistic viewpoint. Yes, it asks that you trust to our good intentions.
I ask that you give us the benefit of the doubt, contribute, and give
us the opportunity to show that your trust is well placed.
-- Dwight
PS: I think I will let this one be archived, as I think the question is
very valid, and the answer important. I could be wrong, of course. :)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,
> and what are the long term plans for it? You're not
> going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and
> then you get to make millions on google ads? :-)
A reasonable question, considering how some things have developed on the web.
No, there are no plans to commercialize the RV Wiki whatsoever, or limit access
in any way. If it expands to the point where storage space and bandwidth
become expensive we'll probably have to embark on some sort of fundraising
drive, as Matt does with the Matronics lists. But that point is well in the
future, if it is ever reached.
Dwight Frye owns the server account on which the wiki is hosted. So in that
sense I guess you could say he "owns" the wiki. But the content of the wiki is
not copyrighted as such. It's freely available on the same basis as any
documentation covered under the GNU Free Documentation License. (Refer to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License.)
By the way, please do not post or upload any copyrighted information to the RV
Wiki without the permission of the copyright holder.
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Hee hee, one of the assumptions of a "Wiki" is that you can
reach a general consensus on a topic, that might prove
difficult :D
Its an admirable effort though - I had a conversation with
another builder on just this topic - sometimes its really hard
to search for answers to your question - what keywords would I
use.
I for one will make an effort to contribute - when I have time
off from my build :)
g
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
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> My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to
> use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much
> more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher
> won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to
> find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you
> still must
> read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts
> written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject
> line, etc to get an answer.
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> Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl
> around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how
> useful they can be.
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> See something that's incorrect? Register, then log in & correct it.
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> >There are already lots of opinions and answers for the questions you bring
> >up in your post below. I suggest you check the archives and get the best
> >thought of hundreds who have gone before you. If after doing that you still
> >have questions, I am sure you will get lots of answers if any questions
> >still remain. http://www.matronics.com/search/
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> >Indiana Larry
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> >>There are several blank articles on the RV Wiki frequently-asked-questions
> >>page
> >>that are crying out to have something added. If you have any knowledge or
> >>interest in any of these areas, please feel free to start an article.
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Tel: 415 203 9177
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As sears@searnet.com was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
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> Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use
> because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a
> given subject line.
Jim,
Internet mailing lists are almost invariably a community more than a technical
forum. If you're looking solely for technical information, a wiki is much more
precise. It's not an alternative to an email list, but a supplement.
In this day and age, where most of us have no sense of community in our
daily lives, it becomes even more important to have a sense of knowing
the people you deal with online-- thus do mailing lists and web forums
support one side of the issue, and wikis the other.
Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for
political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;>
do not archive
-Kysh
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| Subject: | O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES@entergy.com>
I have an RV6A with on O320 which I am currently flying. I am rebuilding an O360
which I plan to use in an RV7A that I am building. I have heard that the break-in
for a rebuilt engine is to run it full throttle for several hours initially.
Unfortunately, that is not the way I want to break in my newly built RV7A
on the first few flights.
A friend suggested putting the O360 on my currently flying RV6A to break it in
since it is already flying and I am familiar with it. Seems like a good idea
to me.
My question is:
Can this be done without modifying my existing cowl on the RV6A?
Does anyone out have any experience with changing over from an O320 to and O360?
Jimmy Ayres
RV6A - flying
RV7A - building
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Those of us building airplanes know how much money we can sink into a
'hobby' ...... but then again, the bar seems to be raising all the time.
If I may offer a premature suggestion: When it comes down to the need
for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for
advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time??? Since
the wiki is an open forum (anyone can edit or change any/all info) then
the vendor section can use it to post prices and inventory availability
..... and folks can go 'shopping' in that area just as they would a
store or other online merchandiser. Just a thought!!!
Linn
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Dwight Frye wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
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>On Mon Jan 30 13:18:56 2006, Mickey Coggins wrote :
>
>
>>One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,
>>and what are the long term plans for it? You're not
>>going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and
>>then you get to make millions on google ads? :-)
>>
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>This is an excellent question, and as one of the "owners" I'll jump
>in and give my answer. At the moment I, technically, "own" the RV
>Wiki in as much as I pay for the hosting, have registered the domain
>name, and try and keep the technical end of things working. Tedd is,
>in my opinion, the other "owner" as he has taken on the awesome task
>of being RV-Wiki content shepherd and prime evangelist.
>
>Long term plans (and it is my belief that Tedd and I are completely
>in sync on this) are to simply grow it as best we can. No Google ads.
>No "premium access" games where you pay a fee for the "good stuff".
>No tricks. The intent is to strive to create a value repository of
>information ... one complimentary to all the existing forums and
>mailing lists. It is *different*, and as such does not replace any
>of them, but simply adds new value to the options builders have for
>getting needed/useful information.
>
>Because of this we actually have some concern about our ability to
>support the site ... and may, eventually, have to solicit for some
>donations. We aren't there yet, and hope to not be for some time to
>come. Until there is enough value to make it *worth* people donating
>then it really isn't an issue. :) Don't get me wrong, there is some
>good stuff there already. I'm, personally, very impressed. But it is
>clearly in the early stages and has a long way to go. So you may well
>see a PayPal link show up on the RV Wiki one day, but it will be an
>optional and voluntary donation link, not a sign-up-to-access sort of
>link.
>
>Finally, I believe that the REAL answer to your question is that
>*every* *single* *contributor* "owns" the RV-Wiki. Yes this is a very
>idealistic viewpoint. Yes, it asks that you trust to our good intentions.
>I ask that you give us the benefit of the doubt, contribute, and give
>us the opportunity to show that your trust is well placed.
>
> -- Dwight
>
>PS: I think I will let this one be archived, as I think the question is
>very valid, and the answer important. I could be wrong, of course. :)
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| Subject: | Re: O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Sounds like almost as much hassle as finding a test stand and breaking it in on
the ground. Ever consider this option?
Bryan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8234#8234
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/06 2:07:23 PM Central Standard Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> When it comes down to the need
> for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for
> advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time???
>>>
Great suggestion, Linn- I'll add that a simple link in any article, just
using the product or vendor name that takes you to the Vendor area would be
slick...
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
To clarify, this is the front-flange of the main rib to front-spar joint
on a 9A HS.
________________________________
From: Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint
I hate to have to post this.
As the title says, I have a slight gap in two ribs - one on each side.
It is at least wide enough to get a piece of paper under. I have not
yet installed the rear spar so I could drill these out and re-rivet.
Something tells me that I really ought to. Is it something I would need
to worry about? Is it a strength issue?
Paul
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Kysh wrote....
Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for
political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;>
Kysh,
There is...it's called the ballot box and from the looks of things, we
haven't been exercising it as frequently and in as discerning manner as
we should.
Chuck
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| Subject: | O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Jimmy,
The cowling I wouldn't think would need modification, but the engine
baffling would as the 0-360 is wider than the 0-320.
Engine break-in does not have to be done at full throttle, but rather at
high MP settings. 25-26 square is ideal as long as temps and pressures
are normal. It does require a (few hours) but not several hours at a
time. (unless your lucky)
Hope this helps,
Allen Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AYRES, JIMMY L
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: O320 to O360 conversion
--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES@entergy.com>
I have an RV6A with on O320 which I am currently flying. I am
rebuilding an O360 which I plan to use in an RV7A that I am building. I
have heard that the break-in for a rebuilt engine is to run it full
throttle for several hours initially. Unfortunately, that is not the
way I want to break in my newly built RV7A on the first few flights.
A friend suggested putting the O360 on my currently flying RV6A to break
it in since it is already flying and I am familiar with it. Seems like
a good idea to me.
My question is:
Can this be done without modifying my existing cowl on the RV6A?
Does anyone out have any experience with changing over from an O320 to
and O360?
Jimmy Ayres
RV6A - flying
RV7A - building
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| Subject: | Re: O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Longer cowl and mount on the 320 on the RV7 and I believe that's the case on the
RV6 too. I would test stand break in before fighting the transfer.
Darrell
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"AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES@entergy.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L"
I have an RV6A with on O320 which I am currently flying. I am rebuilding an O360
which I plan to use in an RV7A that I am building. I have heard that the break-in
for a rebuilt engine is to run it full throttle for several hours initially.
Unfortunately, that is not the way I want to break in my newly built RV7A
on the first few flights.
A friend suggested putting the O360 on my currently flying RV6A to break it in
since it is already flying and I am familiar with it. Seems like a good idea to
me.
My question is:
Can this be done without modifying my existing cowl on the RV6A?
Does anyone out have any experience with changing over from an O320 to and O360?
Jimmy Ayres
RV6A - flying
RV7A - building
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Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
This is a good suggestion .. and might well be the lesser of all the
various evils. It is (maybe) a little premature, but there is certainly
even an argument to be made that sharing vendor information is just
another part of sharing "community knowledge". This is one that Tedd
and I will have to discuss and consider.
It really does seem to walk the fine line between having in-your-face
ads (which we do NOT intend to have) and having an all-donation sort
of funding approach (which can be .. *ahem* .. challenging). In fact,
I have just created a "Funding" page where we can share thoughts on
the issue. Go to :
http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:RVWiki_Funding
Since it is I who is paying out of pocket, I thought it might as well
be me that created the page. :) Again, thanks for the suggestion!
-- Dwight
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On Mon Jan 30 18:03:32 2006, linn Walters wrote :
>Those of us building airplanes know how much money we can sink into a
>'hobby' ...... but then again, the bar seems to be raising all the time.
> If I may offer a premature suggestion: When it comes down to the need
>for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for
>advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time??? Since
>the wiki is an open forum (anyone can edit or change any/all info) then
>the vendor section can use it to post prices and inventory availability
>..... and folks can go 'shopping' in that area just as they would a
>store or other online merchandiser. Just a thought!!!
>Linn
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| Subject: | Re: O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
I have never read that the eng should be run wide open to break in. However
they do want you to run at high power settings for the first few hours.
Ollie
----- Original Message -----
From: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: O320 to O360 conversion
> --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Sounds like almost as much hassle as finding a test stand and breaking it
> in on the ground. Ever consider this option?
>
> Bryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8234#8234
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 30 Jan 2006, at 10:13, Folbrecht, Paul wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Which begs the question as to why the other lists are needed at all.
>
The Yahoo groups have one big advantage over the RV-Lists -
moderation. The moderation keeps things on-topic (no long threads
about the demise of another list, for example), and stops the
occasional bouts of flaming that have driven many good, yet thin-
skinned, people from some of the Matronics lists.
I'll be the first to admit that the Yahoo groups aren't perfect, and
that the Matronics lists have many advantages too.
The Yahoo system won't disappear. Either Doug will agree to pass the
keys to his groups on to someone else, or someone else will start a
new set of groups. Don't worry.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | RV Wiki FAQ Do not archive |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Since
>the wiki is an open forum (anyone can edit or change any/all info) then
>the vendor section can use it to post prices and inventory availability
>..... and folks can go 'shopping' in that area just as they would a
>store or other online merchandiser. Just a thought!!!
>Linn
This is a good idea and sure beats another "forum" where you spend
much of the time on the site waiting for stinkin ads to load.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Paul,
Only a sheet of paper? On my 8a HS and VS, the rib lengths were off so
badly, that I couldn't maintain edge distance on the front spar flanges.
(My kit was not matched hole remember) I had to cut the front flanges off
the affected ribs and make "scab" flanges to get everything to line up
correctly. It wasn't the only place this was necessary on my kit. It sounds
like your mis-alignment is slight however. If interested, I can email you
photos of how to modify a rib using the scab flange method.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
><PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
>I hate to have to post this.
>
>
>As the title says, I have a slight gap in two ribs - one on each side.
>It is at least wide enough to get a piece of paper under. I have not
>yet installed the rear spar so I could drill these out and re-rivet.
>Something tells me that I really ought to. Is it something I would need
>to worry about? Is it a strength issue?
>
>
>Paul
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
Jim,
I agree and I couldn't have said it better.
Flying an RV-6A in Kentucky
Charlie Ennis
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| Subject: | Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Fiberglass gurus,
After trying to get the metal skirt to fit on my RV-3 I'm giving up -- I'm
convinced God just didn't intend aluminum to be used for compound curves,
fiberglass on the other hand is perfectly suited for that. No worries with
laying it up and such (West Systems and 9 oz crowfoot e-glass), but what I'd
appreciate some ideas on are how to craft a molding surface. I will pop
rivet my tipover plexi bubble to the frame in every other hole, which I will
later drill out, so there won't need to be an clecos and thus I can layup
onto the plexi. But what do I use to create a form from the plexi down to
the fuselage, or to bridge the gap along the sides? This is way too much
area for the traditional modeling clay we use for intersection fairings.
If I use any sort of tape it will create an uneven layup and require lots of
sanding and filling, something I'd rather avoid. I was thinking of using
expandable foam around the front and rear sections (won't work on the sides)
and then sculpting it. Seems like I heard that the cans of foam you can buy
at Home Depot aren't good because they contain formaldehyde, not sure why
that's bad though.
Spruce has Poly-Cell 100 Polyurethane Foam
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polycel.php
and Liquid "X30" Foam
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/x30foam.php
Anyone had an experience with either of these? When using foam, do you lay
up directly on it, or coat it with something first?
And lastly, what would be a good way to create a surface on the sides?
Here's a pic of what I'm dealing with...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Gallery/DSC_0899.jpg
Thanks!
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: PC Simulators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" <diff@foothill.net>
I'm looking to purchase a flight simulator program for my PC to refresh my
skills before spending big bucks on actual training. I have seen some
information on MSFS 2004, Flight Factory RV-7/7A, X-Plane, & Elite. Any
feedback on software and the best stick, throttle/prop/mixture, rudder
controls would be appreciated.
Scott Diffenbaugh
diff@foothill.net
RV-7A about ready to fly
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
I agree that Doug is a good guy and I like his site quite a bit, having
contributed both information and money to it, but I am disappointed in his
decision to unilaterally shut down the Yahoo Groups (in favor of his for
profit site) even though several people, including myself, have offered to
take over ownership. I think the RV community should decide which sites
survive through usage, not the whim of a single individual. I believe these
Yahoo Groups have grown too large to continue with the concept of a single
owner, and if an owner no longer wants to be involved, he should turn it
over to someone else. This is very easy to do, and Yahoo even allows
multiple group owners. I realize that a new group can be created very
quickly, but we will lose the archives, and I think it is just silly to
have to do this.
It has always been my concern that any site that is owned, or hosted, by an
individual is subject to their whim, regardless of their good intentions and
I felt that Yahoo, with all its limitations, was a good solution as it does
not have to be in the control of a single person. I guess I should have
been concerned there too.
I still hope Doug changes his mind, and my offer to "own" the RV-8 group
still holds, as I feel that there is room for multiple information sources
that meet various builder's needs.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>
> I think Doug's shown himself to be a good guy too. YMMV.
>
> Bob
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Randy,
Check this out... www.rvpilot.com/RV9ACanopy/CanopyIndexPart2.htm
Darrell
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Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
Fiberglass gurus,
After trying to get the metal skirt to fit on my RV-3 I'm giving up -- I'm
convinced God just didn't intend aluminum to be used for compound curves,
fiberglass on the other hand is perfectly suited for that. No worries with
laying it up and such (West Systems and 9 oz crowfoot e-glass), but what I'd
appreciate some ideas on are how to craft a molding surface. I will pop
rivet my tipover plexi bubble to the frame in every other hole, which I will
later drill out, so there won't need to be an clecos and thus I can layup
onto the plexi. But what do I use to create a form from the plexi down to
the fuselage, or to bridge the gap along the sides? This is way too much
area for the traditional modeling clay we use for intersection fairings.
If I use any sort of tape it will create an uneven layup and require lots of
sanding and filling, something I'd rather avoid. I was thinking of using
expandable foam around the front and rear sections (won't work on the sides)
and then sculpting it. Seems like I heard that the cans of foam you can buy
at Home Depot aren't good because they contain formaldehyde, not sure why
that's bad though.
Spruce has Poly-Cell 100 Polyurethane Foam
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polycel.php
and Liquid "X30" Foam
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/x30foam.php
Anyone had an experience with either of these? When using foam, do you lay
up directly on it, or coat it with something first?
And lastly, what would be a good way to create a surface on the sides?
Here's a pic of what I'm dealing with...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Gallery/DSC_0899.jpg
Thanks!
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
www.rv-8.com
"Do Not Archive"
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
You could try tapeing thin cardboard between the canopy and fuselage. My
cardboard of preference (from making the empennage fairing years ago) comes
from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing tape, and volia, female
mold...
Alternately, you could get yourself some Monokote or similar shrink film,
cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the plexi and fuselage, and shrink
the stuff into the shape you want. Might even work. (Note- put a layer of
packing tape between the monokote and your canopy, or risk color
transfer)...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:21 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Fiberglass gurus,
>
> After trying to get the metal skirt to fit on my RV-3 I'm giving up -- I'm
> convinced God just didn't intend aluminum to be used for compound curves,
> fiberglass on the other hand is perfectly suited for that. No worries with
> laying it up and such (West Systems and 9 oz crowfoot e-glass), but what
> I'd
> appreciate some ideas on are how to craft a molding surface. I will pop
> rivet my tipover plexi bubble to the frame in every other hole, which I
> will
> later drill out, so there won't need to be an clecos and thus I can layup
> onto the plexi. But what do I use to create a form from the plexi down to
> the fuselage, or to bridge the gap along the sides? This is way too much
> area for the traditional modeling clay we use for intersection fairings.
>
> If I use any sort of tape it will create an uneven layup and require lots
> of
> sanding and filling, something I'd rather avoid. I was thinking of using
> expandable foam around the front and rear sections (won't work on the
> sides)
> and then sculpting it. Seems like I heard that the cans of foam you can
> buy
> at Home Depot aren't good because they contain formaldehyde, not sure why
> that's bad though.
> Spruce has Poly-Cell 100 Polyurethane Foam
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polycel.php
> and Liquid "X30" Foam
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/x30foam.php
>
> Anyone had an experience with either of these? When using foam, do you lay
> up directly on it, or coat it with something first?
>
> And lastly, what would be a good way to create a surface on the sides?
> Here's a pic of what I'm dealing with...
> http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Gallery/DSC_0899.jpg
>
> Thanks!
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
> www.rv-8.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Glass as it comes or all at once at the end? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Burns" <burnsm@cox.net>
Paul,
I did my "tail tips" while I was waiting on the wing kit.
I'm glad I did. It's a bunch of work already done.
The "doing it all at once" idea sounds logical but I don't think it has any
real merit. It doesn't really take that long to get set up, and I didn't
think it was all that messy either. Jump in!
If you have more of the kit there to work on it really won't make any
difference. It's all got to get done.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: RV-List: Glass as it comes or all at once at the end?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I am close to finishing up my HS and will be doing so this week. I have
got to wondering about whether I should do the tips when it's done or
just wait and do all of them at the end.
I lean towards the latter because I'm afraid of fiberglass, and,
seriously, it seems to make more sense to do it all at once (though I
guess that is going to mean several weeks of hell all at once).
Are there any good reasons I should do the tail tips earlier?
Paul
9A QB #1176
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jan 30, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Randy Lervold wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Fiberglass gurus,
>
> (snip)
Umm not really a fiberglass guru, but I think I can help here.
> Spruce has Poly-Cell 100 Polyurethane Foam
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polycel.php
> and Liquid "X30" Foam
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/x30foam.php
>
> Anyone had an experience with either of these? When using foam, do
> you lay
> up directly on it, or coat it with something first?
I recently helped someone do a _lot_ of fiberglass work on an RV-8,
and the X30 foam completely rocks. We mixed it in small cups ( like
you would have next to a drinking fountain) by filling each cup about
40%, and pouring back and forth until the foam started to kick off,
then pouring it onto the work surface. In 10 minutes it's ready to
file or sand, or even add more foam. It's not possible to make a
mistake you can't fix in 15 minutes. The foam is kind of porous, so
we covered it with strips of carefully laid duct tape as a release
after getting the surface we wanted.
This is the method I'm planning to use to redo my tail fairing, which
has "bumps" between the fasteners.
The local EZ guys seemed to approve of our method, although they did
seem somewhat amused by our slow pace...
James Freeman
>
> And lastly, what would be a good way to create a surface on the sides?
> Here's a pic of what I'm dealing with...
> http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Gallery/DSC_0899.jpg
>
> Thanks!
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
> www.rv-8.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Fiberglass gurus,
Well, that I'm not. Is it possible to simply drape a single, lightweight
strip across the gap? Let it cure and then build on that? One might have
to go along every so often and give it a nip or tuck as it cures, but it
might work. Pay attention to the bias of the weave, I'm not sure what would
be best in this case.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 712 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I'll keep my opinion on the ownership of the groups to myself, but one
thing I have to comment on is the fact that people keep mentioning the
archives. Have you ever used the archives on the Yahoo groups? The
interface is absolutely worthless, and searching is next to impossible
unless you have a lot of time to waste. At least on Doug's site and
here on Matronics you actually get usable, searchable archives. I used
the Yahoo RV-10 group when I started my RV-10 because that's where the
discussions were. Now that they've moved here, I find that I don't miss
the Yahoo group at all.
PJ
RV-10 #40032
Do not archive
Paul Trotter wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>
> I agree that Doug is a good guy and I like his site quite a bit, having
> contributed both information and money to it, but I am disappointed in his
> decision to unilaterally shut down the Yahoo Groups (in favor of his for
> profit site) even though several people, including myself, have offered to
> take over ownership. I think the RV community should decide which sites
> survive through usage, not the whim of a single individual. I believe these
> Yahoo Groups have grown too large to continue with the concept of a single
> owner, and if an owner no longer wants to be involved, he should turn it
> over to someone else. This is very easy to do, and Yahoo even allows
> multiple group owners. I realize that a new group can be created very
> quickly, but we will lose the archives, and I think it is just silly to
> have to do this.
>
> It has always been my concern that any site that is owned, or hosted, by an
> individual is subject to their whim, regardless of their good intentions and
> I felt that Yahoo, with all its limitations, was a good solution as it does
> not have to be in the control of a single person. I guess I should have
> been concerned there too.
>
> I still hope Doug changes his mind, and my offer to "own" the RV-8 group
> still holds, as I feel that there is room for multiple information sources
> that meet various builder's needs.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:47 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
>
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>>
>> I think Doug's shown himself to be a good guy too. YMMV.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
If memory serves me the 2 inboard ribs are canted to the outside and require
the fabrication of .040 shims (HS-909) to fill the gap
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
To clarify, this is the front-flange of the main rib to front-spar joint
on a 9A HS.
________________________________
From: Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint
I hate to have to post this.
As the title says, I have a slight gap in two ribs - one on each side.
It is at least wide enough to get a piece of paper under. I have not
yet installed the rear spar so I could drill these out and re-rivet.
Something tells me that I really ought to. Is it something I would need
to worry about? Is it a strength issue?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Some builder made a form out of his wife's panty hose and stretched the
material over the gear leg to create fairings. A release agent would have
to be used where you don't want the stuff to grab.
My 1 cent worth ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
Is it possible to simply drape a single, lightweight
> strip across the gap? Let it cure and then build on that? One might have
> to go along every so often and give it a nip or tuck as it cures, but it
> might work. Pay attention to the bias of the weave, I'm not sure what
> would
> be best in this case.
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
I agree that the Yahoo search function is poor, but there are times when I
have gone back and looked for something I knew I had read before.
I'm not knocking either Doug's site or Matronics, I actually use both of
those more than I use the Yahoo groups. I just think that there are enough
people who, for whatever reason, prefer the Yahoo groups and people should
be able to choose whatever method they like best. In the long run the
community will select its choice as people migrate to where the best
information is. I just want to see it happen naturally, rather than forced.
These groups have helped me enough that I am willing to put in some time
helping run a group as a way of returning the help I have received. It just
doesn't make sense to start a new group when it only takes a minute to
change ownership of the existing group where all the members are already
registered. Regardless of what happens, I will continue to support both
Doug's site and the Matronics site.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "PJ Seipel" <seipel@seznam.cz>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
> --> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
>
> I'll keep my opinion on the ownership of the groups to myself, but one
> thing I have to comment on is the fact that people keep mentioning the
> archives. Have you ever used the archives on the Yahoo groups? The
> interface is absolutely worthless, and searching is next to impossible
> unless you have a lot of time to waste. At least on Doug's site and
> here on Matronics you actually get usable, searchable archives. I used
> the Yahoo RV-10 group when I started my RV-10 because that's where the
> discussions were. Now that they've moved here, I find that I don't miss
> the Yahoo group at all.
>
> PJ
> RV-10 #40032
> Do not archive
>
>
> Paul Trotter wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>>
>> I agree that Doug is a good guy and I like his site quite a bit, having
>> contributed both information and money to it, but I am disappointed in
>> his
>> decision to unilaterally shut down the Yahoo Groups (in favor of his for
>> profit site) even though several people, including myself, have offered
>> to
>> take over ownership. I think the RV community should decide which sites
>> survive through usage, not the whim of a single individual. I believe
>> these
>> Yahoo Groups have grown too large to continue with the concept of a
>> single
>> owner, and if an owner no longer wants to be involved, he should turn it
>> over to someone else. This is very easy to do, and Yahoo even allows
>> multiple group owners. I realize that a new group can be created very
>> quickly, but we will lose the archives, and I think it is just silly to
>> have to do this.
>>
>> It has always been my concern that any site that is owned, or hosted, by
>> an
>> individual is subject to their whim, regardless of their good intentions
>> and
>> I felt that Yahoo, with all its limitations, was a good solution as it
>> does
>> not have to be in the control of a single person. I guess I should have
>> been concerned there too.
>>
>> I still hope Doug changes his mind, and my offer to "own" the RV-8 group
>> still holds, as I feel that there is room for multiple information
>> sources
>> that meet various builder's needs.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:47 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net (Bob Collins)
>>>
>>> I think Doug's shown himself to be a good guy too. YMMV.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Kysh wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
>As sears@searnet.com was saying:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>>
>>Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use
>>because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a
>>given subject line.
>>
>>
>
>Jim,
>
>Internet mailing lists are almost invariably a community more than a technical
>forum. If you're looking solely for technical information, a wiki is much more
>precise. It's not an alternative to an email list, but a supplement.
>In this day and age, where most of us have no sense of community in our
>daily lives, it becomes even more important to have a sense of knowing
>the people you deal with online-- thus do mailing lists and web forums
>support one side of the issue, and wikis the other.
>
>Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for
>political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;>
>
>do not archive
>-Kysh
>
>
I only wish that Matt would moderate this topic. Talk about something
useless going on and on and on.
I guess that is one of the great things about this RV-List there is no
moderation OR advertising and people
can use it to promote their own RV web sites.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: O320 to O360 conversion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Usually a prolonged full power run is the last gasp before pulling the jugs
on an engine that consumes to much oil after overhaul.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Washburn
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: O320 to O360 conversion
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
I have never read that the eng should be run wide open to break in. However
they do want you to run at high power settings for the first few hours.
Ollie
----- Original Message -----
From: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: O320 to O360 conversion
> --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Sounds like almost as much hassle as finding a test stand and breaking it
> in on the ground. Ever consider this option?
>
> Bryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8234#8234
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
1. I saw a very well done RV 7 this weekend with a trim wedge mounted on the
side of the rudder. Has anyone used an adjustable trim tab? It would be easy
to slip in while building the rudder.
2. Has anyone had experience with 3M polyurethane adhesive? I am thinking about
using it on the trailing edged assembly.
Sherman Butler
RV 7a Empennage
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
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| Subject: | nut plate revets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Is mounting nut plates with NAS-1097 rivets (oops) and acceptable practice?
It seems as if it would be easier in some locations, such as the trim plate.
Sherman Butler
RV 7a Empennage
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
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| Subject: | Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
Some of the other replies reference a fit problem but I read it that the
parts fit and that you had a small gap after riveting. If that's the case,
yes, you should drill them out and rivet again. Squeezing is the best
method there; I found that driven rivets tended to gap where the parts were
fairly flexible, unless I clamped near the hole, which made driving rivets
more difficult. Where those rib flanges are, there aren't enough clecos or
other structure to keep things from flexing and separating while you rivet.
This will be true on all remaining structure - wing ribs and fuselage
bulkheads.
The preceding refers to a gap at the rivet. It the gap is between rivets,
there is some fitment issue in the structure. I'd have a tech counselor
look at it and advise you.
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Cabin floors in, working on passenger seat.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
To clarify, this is the front-flange of the main rib to front-spar joint
on a 9A HS.
________________________________
From: Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Gaps in HS rib-to-front-spar joint
I hate to have to post this.
As the title says, I have a slight gap in two ribs - one on each side.
It is at least wide enough to get a piece of paper under. I have not
yet installed the rear spar so I could drill these out and re-rivet.
Something tells me that I really ought to. Is it something I would need
to worry about? Is it a strength issue?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: nut plate revets |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Sherman,
The main purpose of a nutplate rivet is to hold the nut(plate) so you
can get a screw in it . . . the rivet is not usually structural. So I
would use what ever works in a given situation unless you perceive
that the rivet is doing something more than just holding the nutplate.
I generally try to use the rivet that is called out . . . but I would
rather have a good "blind rivet" than a bad driven one!
You talk about Oops rivets . . . which is just another form of driven
rivet in my shop and are used mainly when you have missdrilled
something and ended up to a over sized hole?
Good Luck,
Bob in SE Iowa
On 1/30/06, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Is mounting nut plates with NAS-1097 rivets (oops) and acceptable practice?
It seems as if it would be easier in some locations, such as the trim plate.
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV 7a Empennage
>
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Empennage
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Request for Kitplanes Magazine: Avionics Shops for Hazard Avoidance |
Installation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello all,
I'm working on an article for Kitplanes Magazine about the various products
for hazard avoidance (traffic, terrain and weather), and would like to hear
from anyone who's had this installed in their RV (or other homebuilt, if you
have more than an RV). In particular, I'd like to hear your experiences in
what you learned in the process, what you wish you had known at the outset,
how your experiences with the gear has been and whether it's met your
expectations. I would like to focus on the products that are not dug-in
certified gear, but rather designed and engineered for experimental
aircraft.
In addition, I would like to talk to a few avionics shops who have some
solid experience in these installations in experiementals, so if you have a
shop that you felt did a good job, that would be great.
For the sake of the list traffic, I may be contacted off-list at (de-spammed
email to follow):
Coryemberson (at) earthlink (dot) net
Also, congratulations to Dan Checkoway, chosen by SportAir workshops to
teach RV Assembly classes on the west coast. Attaboy, Dan! Your "Build Your
Skills: Metal" series in Kitplanes has been excellent! (And yes, I lifted
this from the latest issue's "Around the Patch"!)
Thanks very much!
Best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
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| Subject: | Re: nut plate revets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 1/30/2006 7:32:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lsbrv7a@yahoo.com writes:
Is mounting nut plates with NAS-1097 rivets (oops) and acceptable practice?
It seems as if it would be easier in some locations, such as the trim plate.
==========================================
Absolutely. These rivets were almost made for this application.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 771hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: nut plate revets |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Yes, 1097 rivets are acceptable and IMHO invaluable for installing
nutplates. The rivets only hold the nutplate in place, thetorque of the
screw in the nutplate provides the structural stuff. You could hold the
nutplate in place with dried bubblegum if you wanted to.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee
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