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1. 12:11 AM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 05:46 AM - South Lakeland Home Owners Fly-in (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin (Folbrecht, Paul)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin (dsvs@comcast.net)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Skylor Piper)
6. 10:25 AM - Re: CYL high temp (Skylor Piper)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: CYL high temp (Kelly McMullen)
8. 12:14 PM - Re: IO390 (Ross S)
9. 12:21 PM - Re: IO390 (BPA)
10. 01:18 PM - Re: IO390 (LessDragProd@aol.com)
11. 01:29 PM - Re: IO390 (BPA)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Dale Ensing)
13. 05:46 PM - DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Jerry Springer)
14. 06:02 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Bruce Gray)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Jerry Springer)
16. 06:49 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (N395V)
17. 06:49 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Patrick Kelley)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (JOHN STARN)
19. 07:02 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Bruce Gray)
20. 07:02 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Fiveonepw@AOL.COM)
21. 07:11 PM - Official RV-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
22. 07:17 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
23. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Jerry Springer)
24. 07:24 PM - For sale: EI Dual Fuel Gauge (Geoff Evans)
25. 08:30 PM - Re: IO390 (LessDragProd@aol.com)
26. 09:42 PM - Build time, include helpers ? (Dan)
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| Subject: | Official RV-List Usage Guidelines |
--> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | South Lakeland Home Owners Fly-in |
--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
X-49 South Lakeland Airport will have its annual Super Bowl Saturday
Home Owners Flyin this Saturday. All are welcome to fly or drive in.
The activity will be centered around the FBO building on the South
end of the airport. B-fast and lunch will be avalible from the local
shriners and all proceeds go to a great cause. Just a good time
seeing old friends and making new ones.....
Runway 14/32 aprox 4000 feet grass. X-49
Sponsored by EAA Chapter 149UL
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
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| Subject: | Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I don't know the thickness, but it's pretty thick, and the manual does
specify countersinking...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonVS
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
You should not be using a counter-sink on the rear spar. These parts
are
thin enough to dimple.
Don
RV7
Wiring Instrument Panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I clecoed on the rear spar of the HS and noticed a bit of gap between
the
skin and the spar, even at the clecos, with clecos in every other hole.
I
figured I had countersunk enough and so took it apart and went a bit
deeper.
(I tested the cage on a peice of scrap again and it seemed very good,
with a
dimple on another scrap peice the same thickness as the skin fitting
nicely.)
Clecod it back together and in most places there is really no gap, but
not
quite everywhere. I was careful to countersink the full depth on each
hole - so that no more metal was coming off. I test drove a couple
rivets
at the places with the gaps and found that it remained. It's enough to
insert a peice of paper about 1/8", but no more.
The thing is, I'm afraid to really go any deeper with the cage because
it
was very near the point where the hole would be enlarged.
I took a look at my QB wings and noticed that the TE skin has no gap -
except near the edges, where I *can* get a piece of paper in there a
bit.
Again, the paper goes in about 1/8" - maybe halfway to where the rivet
is.
I think the irregularities (some areas tigher than others) are due more
to
small variations in alignment than differences in the countersinking.
Is this normal, or Ok? If you've built a HS lately, did you notice
this?
Am I being a bit anal or am I right to wonder about this? Should I risk
countersinking a bit deeper, on the areas with a bit of gap?
Paul
9A QB #1176
P.S. I *did* end up completely drilling out and bending one of those
problem
ribs of earlier in the week. I'm much happier with the
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| Subject: | Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
OK. Sorry about that . On thye 7 the manual says dimple.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> I don't know the thickness, but it's pretty thick, and the manual does
> specify countersinking...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DonVS
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:56 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
>
> You should not be using a counter-sink on the rear spar. These parts
> are
> thin enough to dimple.
>
> Don
> RV7
> Wiring Instrument Panel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:33 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Gaps again - HS rear-spar-to-skin
>
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> I clecoed on the rear spar of the HS and noticed a bit of gap between
> the
> skin and the spar, even at the clecos, with clecos in every other hole.
> I
> figured I had countersunk enough and so took it apart and went a bit
> deeper.
> (I tested the cage on a peice of scrap again and it seemed very good,
> with a
> dimple on another scrap peice the same thickness as the skin fitting
> nicely.)
>
> Clecod it back together and in most places there is really no gap, but
> not
> quite everywhere. I was careful to countersink the full depth on each
> hole - so that no more metal was coming off. I test drove a couple
> rivets
> at the places with the gaps and found that it remained. It's enough to
> insert a peice of paper about 1/8", but no more.
>
> The thing is, I'm afraid to really go any deeper with the cage because
> it
> was very near the point where the hole would be enlarged.
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> I took a look at my QB wings and noticed that the TE skin has no gap -
> except near the edges, where I *can* get a piece of paper in there a
> bit.
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> Again, the paper goes in about 1/8" - maybe halfway to where the rivet
> is.
> I think the irregularities (some areas tigher than others) are due more
> to
> small variations in alignment than differences in the countersinking.
>
> Is this normal, or Ok? If you've built a HS lately, did you notice
> this?
> Am I being a bit anal or am I right to wonder about this? Should I risk
> countersinking a bit deeper, on the areas with a bit of gap?
>
> Paul
> 9A QB #1176
>
> P.S. I *did* end up completely drilling out and bending one of those
> problem
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
One suggestion for Monokote:
Top Flight makes clear Monokote that doesn't have any
pigment in the adhesive (at least they did 20 years
ago, when I was really into models). This way, if any
adhesive gets onto the plexi, at least it's clear and
won't be very visible...
I know for a fact that Aerovironment uses Monokote or
similar coverings to cover some of their molds that
they shape from foam, so this concept should work just
fine.
Skylor
RV-8QB
Under Construction
--- Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis
> <truflite@yahoo.com>
>
> Randy,
>
> Monokote is a plastic film used to cover model
> aircraft. It is heatshrinkable and has a heat
> activated adhesive which is also the pigment.
>
> First off, DO NOT adhere Monokote to plexi!!!!! I
> have just started my project and I am not totally
> familiar with the canopy area. After reading the
> posts regarding this, I was thinking that their was
> an
> area on the fuselage at the canopy that was used as
> a
> mold. I would only attach Monokote to bare metal or
> to a surface that is NOT reactive to acetone or dope
> thinner. Do not under any circumstances use acetone
> or dope thinner on plexi.
>
> If Monokote is the way you want to go, consider the
> following. Buy a Monokote iron from a hobby shop,
> about $20. Follow the directions therein. When
> attaching, only seal the edges down. When shrinking
> the rest, do not press down on the iron. Let the
> weight of the iron do the work. Shrink the Monokote
> till all wrinkles are gone. Make your layups with
> suitable mold release products.
>
> Upon removal, you will find some of the Monokote
> will
> have adhered to sealed edge areas and quite possibly
> the center as well. Use acetone or dope thinner in
> a
> clean rag with proper ventilation and safety
> equipment
> to remove the adhered Monokote.
>
> You will find the inside of your lamination to be
> glass smooth which I would lightly sand to break the
> glaze. Use
>
> your favorite adhesive to attach the skirt to
> the canopy.
>
> I have used Monokote to cover model aircraft for 30
> years and for mold making because it makes a smooth
> surface without a great deal of work.
>
> One last thought, if you put Monokote on the plexi,
> only put it on the area that would be under the
> skirt.
> To remove it from the plexi, use a small orbital
> sander with a fine grit paper. I am guessing that
> you
> would need to rough this surface up anyways. I
> re-iterate, do not use solvents on the plexi.
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> > <randy@romeolima.com>
> >
> > Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and
> I
> > have a couple of rolls
> > laying around. What is Monokote actually made of,
> > and is there a chance that
> > epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can
> > you control what/where it
> > adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off,
> the
> > plexi in particular?
> >
> > Anyone have more experience with it?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis
> > <truflite@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Kyle,
> > >
> > > I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts
> to
> > > expand on this.
> > >
> > > Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin
> may
> > > still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release
> wax
> > on
> > > the Monokote followed with PVA mold release.
> > Spray
> > > multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote.
> > PVA
> > > has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the
> > wax.
> > > Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading.
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> > When
> > > finished, the the piece will pop off the
> Monokote
> > much
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on
> > Monokote.
> > > Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is
> > reactive
> > > to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe
> the
> > > surface clean. Obviously, use proper
> ventilation
> > and
> > > protective safety gear.
> > >
> > > BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good
> > fiberglass
> > > supplier will stock this item.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> > >> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> > >>
> > >> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between
> the
> > >> canopy and fuselage. My
> > >> cardboard of preference (from making the
> > empennage
> > >> fairing years ago) comes
> > >> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
> > >>
> > >> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing
> > tape,
> > >> and volia, female
> > >> mold...
> > >>
> > >> Alternately, you could get yourself some
> Monokote
> > or
> > >> similar shrink film,
> > >> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the
> plexi
> > >> and fuselage, and shrink
> > >> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even
> > work.
> > >> (Note- put a layer of
> > >> packing tape between the monokote and your
> > canopy,
> > >> or risk color
> > >> transfer)...
> > >>
> > >> KB
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: CYL high temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Kelly,
Actually, John Deakin suggests that 420F should be the
upper limit of CHT's, with the engine monitor alarm
set to 400F. 380F should be the cruise target
maximium.
See the text that I attached below...
Skylor Piper
RV-8QB Under Construction
--- Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen
> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> I'm not sure the basis of your temp recommendations.
> The best
> recommendations I know come from Advanced Pilot
> Seminars, where they
> have more data to back their recommendations than
> anyone. Oil okay.
> CHT, there is no minimum temp for max life, that is
> an OWT.
> Maximum for any flight phase, including climb should
> be 400F.\
> EGT, for normally aspirated, there is no maximum,
> especially none for
> maximum life, but much over 1500 is unlikely.
> Turbos, totally different,
> they do have TIT maximums. What matters is all
> cylinders peaking as
> close to each other, in terms of fuel flow, not
> temp. You are only
> looking for the peak on each cylinder, not an
> absolute temperature.
> You are totally incorrect about why #3 on an O-360
> or IO-360 runs
> hottest. Has very little to do with mixture, and if
> it were leanest, it
> would only be hottest on the rich side of peak,
> where you don't want to
> be anyway. #3 runs hottest because of the way
> Lycoming designed the head
> casting to have NO cooling fins on the back side of
> #3 (and front #2).
> If the baffling is tight against the cylinder head,
> it will run 30-50
> degrees hotter than if you leave a 1/8" to 1/4" gap
> for air to get through.
> KM
> A&P
>
Grads,
Some of you may be getting a little too concerned over
CHT "limits," and while that won't harm your engine,
it may not allow you to get all the power you want.
A very well-informed person wrote recently:
Oversimplified, TCM set a redline around 460 degrees
and knowledgeable folks at Ada Oklahoma, using highly
instrumented engines have determined that 380 is a
safer maximum.
Not quite true. We're running into this a lot, which
means we may have been "too successful."
460F is a common TCM redline for CHT, and 500F is
common for Lycomings. We have LOTS of data that
suggest engines that go to those temperatures for a
very short period of time suffer little or no harm
from that specific event in the short term, IF
PROMPTLY CONTROLLED and brought right back down. We
also have data that suggests that any engine that goes
beyond those CHTs for even a short period of time WILL
suffer damage, often catastrophic damage. George
Braly has put hundreds of hours of detonation on the
test-stand engines without hurting them, some of it
very, very ugly, without damage. The secret to that
is inducing the detonation, recording the data, then
getting OUT of the detonation before the CHTs exceed
the factory limits. Maybe this is what the factories
had in mind??
Engines operated often and/or for long periods just
barely within those factory limits probably suffer
long-term damage that greatly reduces TBO and
reliability. We think those limits are much too high
for those reasons. TCM and Lycoming obviously agree,
for they have verbiage in many of the manuals about
"Maximum recommended CHT," and similar, but the
numbers vary, sometimes even within the same manual!
Where to set "reasonable" limits? Where to run?
I have personally seen two engines that will do what
we call a "thermal runaway" when the CHT is
deliberately run up to the high 420s. My old IO-520
was like this, and I demonstrated it many, many times.
Set the power and mixture to run 425F, no problem.
Change the mixture slightly (lean it more if LOP,
enrich it if ROP), and the CHT comes right down. 427,
the same. Just above that, 428, 429, 430 or so, and
the CHT would not stabilize there, it would keep on
ticking up, degree by degree, very slowly increasing
in rate of increase. Tweak the mixture as for the
slightly lower CHTs, and there is no effect, it just
keeps on rising, very slowly at first, then faster.
All the data we have suggests that will continue right
on past the factory redline, and well into the 500+
range, with damage. It takes a LARGE change in
mixture or MP to stop this "runaway."
We think that's from the usual uneven cooling around
the cylinders. The hottest parts of the cylinder
weaken a bit somewhere north of 420F, and it goes very
slightly out of round. The piston remains round, and
that starts a "scuffing" on the narrow part of the
cylinder, increasing the friction, and the heat,
becoming a self-feeding event.
We've not seen that happen when the CHT is controlled
below 420, except when there is a clear cut case of
preignition.
This is the basis of the GAMI/TAT/APS "limit" of 420F
on all these engines. Some may run happily at higher
CHTs, and heck, some engines we don't know about may
not even do the runaway anywhere near 420F! But 420F
makes a pretty decent upper limit, above which we
strongly suggest the pilots DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW TO
GET IT BACK DOWN.
We take that a step further, and say that if you never
want to run above 420F, then it's probably a good idea
to set the engine monitor to alarm at 400F, giving
lots of time to spot it, figure it out, then take
action.
Now, if you try and run 399 or a bit less, you'll have
constant nuisance warnings from the 400F alarm, and
you'll be come so accustomed to it, you'll sooner or
later stop paying attention to it, and you may not
even hear it when it blows for real. So finally, the
crux of the matter, we say that when you're
controlling the mixture for cruise, use 380F as a
TARGET (370 is fine, 399 is fine). It also happens to
be a CHT where we're comfortable with the ICP
(Internal Combustion Pressure) and thetaPP (the angle
at which peak pressure occurs) in most of these
engines. The big TIO-540, and the TSIO engines are on
the hairy edge there, but it's still a decent set of
numbers.
Trouble is, folks take that 380, figure it's "The
Limit," and start adding a buffer to it. Not our
intention, we've ALREADY put the "buffers" in place!
Never allow the CHT to exceed 420F.
Set your monitor to alarm at 400F
Use 380F as a "target" for "Go Fast Mode."
Oh, and while I'm at it, feel comfortable running
1650F on your TIT (if you have a turbo) all day long,
that one is very conservative already!
Best...
John Deakin
Fly-Bye-Knight Press http://www.flybyeknightpress.com
Advanced Pilot Seminars http://www.advancedpilot.com
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| Subject: | Re: CYL high temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
I have no issue with Deakin's recommendation or logic. His collegue at
APS, Walter Atkinson to the best of my recollection has advocated 400.
That may be difficult in some planes. Cooler is better, at least down to
around 225 degrees. I have no difficulty keeping below 400 with my IO360,
operating in Arizona. I would also agree with his alarm recommendation, as
you want to be making a change if the temp climbs above 400. I certainly
wouldn't try to "optimize" at 380 for cruise however. If your plane will
run at 370, or 340, that is fine, leave it alone...it gives you margin for
those extra hot days. Lycomings in particular suffer from high CHT, which
forced them to modify the 270 hp TIO540 used in the Mooney TLS to include
oil cooling of the valve guides, because they were seeing guide/valve
failure in under 300 hours when operated in accordance with factory
recommendations.
Obviously, at some point you have to balance cooling drag with your CHT,
so you want to have your baffles/cowling/plennum designed to have your hot
day CHT near 350-380 in cruise and under 400 in climb, mostly to minimize
drag, not because it would be any worse on engine longevity.
Do Not Archive
Skylor Piper said:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
> Kelly,
>
> Actually, John Deakin suggests that 420F should be the
> upper limit of CHT's, with the engine monitor alarm
> set to 400F. 380F should be the cruise target
> maximium.
>
> See the text that I attached below...
>
> Skylor Piper
> RV-8QB Under Construction
>
> Never allow the CHT to exceed 420F.
>
> Set your monitor to alarm at 400F
>
> Use 380F as a "target" for "Go Fast Mode."
> Best...
> John Deakin
> Fly-Bye-Knight Press http://www.flybyeknightpress.com
> Advanced Pilot Seminars http://www.advancedpilot.com
> Index to all columns:
> http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182146-1.html
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross S" <rv7maker@hotmail.com>
Dan,
I put one in a 7 and I used the vans 200 HP Angle valve firewall forward
kit. The exhause fit great. As far as climb goes, I had mine to 22,000
feet and it was still going strong.
-Ross
>From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>To: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>, <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: IO390
>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:29:51 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
><Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>
>I am thinking about the IO390 for my RV8.
>
>
>Did you have any trouble adapting the IO390 to the RV8. Did the cowling
>fit as-is? What did you do for exhaust? What about ignition? I am
>thinking FADEC would be cool, but don't know the issues here. What
>real performance do you see in cruise with the ACI prop? (and
>conditions)
>
>
>Finally, what about insurance? Technically, the 390 is more HP than
>Vans recommends. Did your insurance carrier care? I live in Sierra
>Nevadas - so climb is always welcome. (We expect to have portable O2 in
>the plane most of the time).
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Dan Beadle
>
>
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tell him where you got the engine Ross :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ross S
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IO390
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ross S" <rv7maker@hotmail.com>
Dan,
I put one in a 7 and I used the vans 200 HP Angle valve firewall forward
kit. The exhause fit great. As far as climb goes, I had mine to
22,000
feet and it was still going strong.
-Ross
>From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>To: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>, <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: IO390
>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:29:51 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
><Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>
>I am thinking about the IO390 for my RV8.
>
>
>Did you have any trouble adapting the IO390 to the RV8. Did the
cowling
>fit as-is? What did you do for exhaust? What about ignition? I am
>thinking FADEC would be cool, but don't know the issues here. What
>real performance do you see in cruise with the ACI prop? (and
>conditions)
>
>
>Finally, what about insurance? Technically, the 390 is more HP than
>Vans recommends. Did your insurance carrier care? I live in Sierra
>Nevadas - so climb is always welcome. (We expect to have portable O2
in
>the plane most of the time).
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Dan Beadle
>
>
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how
to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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--> RV-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
How does the 390 compare to the 360 regarding RPM restrictions?
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 02/02/2006 12:22:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
BPA@bpaengines.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tell him where you got the engine Ross :)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Limiting RPM restriction is the same at 2700 RPM full throttle. Check
out Marc Cooks AvWeb article he wrote about the engine. Pretty good
reading...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LessDragProd@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: IO390
--> RV-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
How does the 390 compare to the 360 regarding RPM restrictions?
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 02/02/2006 12:22:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
BPA@bpaengines.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Tell him where you got the engine Ross :)
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Randy,
My memory from RC days tells me that Monokote is made from Mylar.
Another thing.........As you probably know, when you shrink it the profile will
be that of a straight lines between two points. In other words, unless all points
on the perimeter of the Monokote are in the same flat plane the surface will
be a compound curve. The canopy skirts on an RV-3 do not appear to be a flat.
Think of what Monokote looks like on an unsheeted RC wing with the recessed
areas between the ribs.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
pretty useless messages.
Jerry
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| Subject: | DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Yours should have!
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
pretty useless messages.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Actually Bruce mine dose have, read the message again :-)
do not archive
Jerry
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Yours should have!
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>Do not archive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:41 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
>pretty useless messages.
>
>Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
jsflyrv wrote:
> Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
> pretty useless messages.
>
> Jerry
And just who defines exactly what a useless message is? [Rolling Eyes]
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9181#9181
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| Subject: | DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
It did. ;) However, my two copper fuse jumpers worth, I am not a fan of the
overuse of this list feature. Sure, in this instance and the quoted
messages, it is entirely appropriate. But too often useful stuff gets
wiped. When is an archive not an archive? When it is incomplete. Believe
you me, I don't browse the archive, I search it. And I am capable of
searching it and weeding out the noise efficiently enough to keep it useful.
But all the searching in the world can't find useful information that was
omitted due to DNA. While it is polite to keep off-topic stuff out of the
archive, please try to leave potentially relevant material in. This
includes 'dumb' questions; some of them turn out to be not so dumb after all
- they may be important even.
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Passenger seat back in fabrication
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Yours should have!
Bruce
www.glasair.org
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
pretty useless messages.
Jerry
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
His did....D.N.A. in ANY part of the post, present & past that exist within
the recent post is still in effect. This one now has a total of four of
them. 8*) KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Yours should have!
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
OK, sorry for my snip.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Actually Bruce mine dose have, read the message again :-)
do not archive
Jerry
Bruce Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>Yours should have!
>
>Bruce
>www.glasair.org
>
>Do not archive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:41 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
>pretty useless messages.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Hey Bruce- it DID!
Mark and a big old do not archive just in case! 8-)
THANKS JERRY! Good to know I'm not the only one this bugs the hell out of...
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/2006 8:52:36 PM Central Standard Time,
webmaster@flion.com writes:
But too often useful stuff gets
wiped. When is an archive not an archive? When it is incomplete. Believe
you me, I don't browse the archive, I search it.
>>>
Most respectfully, Pat, but as Ruth Harrison, the reference librarian on
Prarie Home Companion recently opined regarding the Mother-Of-All-Search-Engines-
Google: "Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" and the same
applies to any searchable database, Matts archives not excepted. As a long-time
lister who has spent an oppresive amount of time hunting for those great and
useful RV gems of wisdom, I have often leaned toward postal behavior whilst
playing list archeologist...
(sigh)
Mark Phillips AND A GREAT BIG 'OL DEW KNOT ARKYVE, Y'all
(it's in the title, dontchaknow.......)
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
N395V wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
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>jsflyrv wrote:
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>>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
>>pretty useless messages.
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>>Jerry
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>And just who defines exactly what a useless message is? [Rolling Eyes]
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>Milt
>N395V
>F1 Rocket
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>
Ok you win Milt must be the "rolling eyes" that did it. :-) Fine if you
guys don't care about the archives I guess then
I don't either. If you can't tell which messages are useful and which
ones are not then I certainly will not try to
nudge people to use the do not archive feature in the future, carry on.
Just for the record here is an example of a useless
message IMO. That was the complete message in reply to another post. I
am not picking "BPA engines" I just think
that sometimes people forget to use it, I know I have in the past.
"Tell him where you got the engine Ross"
I will end it here so as not to continue to add to the useless posts
which apparently from the response I am getting it was. :-(
Jerry
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| Subject: | For sale: EI Dual Fuel Gauge |
--> RV-List message posted by: Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage@yahoo.com>
I bought a Electronics Int'l dual fuel level instrument (FL-2RA-12) from Vans
about 1.5 years ago. I subsequently bought an engine monitor that has fuel
gauges built in, so I no longer need a stand-alone fuel gauge.
It's never been installed or used. It comes with a 1-year warranty that,
according to the manufacturer, will be activated from the date of
installation for kit plane builders. This instrument works with
resistive-type fuel senders.
Page 27 of the Vans catalog lists this item for $345. I'll obviously sell it
for less than that to anyone who's interested. I'm thinking something around
$275-300, but that's negotiable.
Please contact off list if interested.
Thanks!
-Geoff
RV-8
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
Asked a different way.
Is the 390 a counterweighted crankshaft engine?
Or, as a non-counterweighted crankshaft engine, are there mid range RPM
restrictions similar to the non-counterweighted crankshaft 360 engine?
Jim
In a message dated 02/02/2006 1:32:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
BPA@bpaengines.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Limiting RPM restriction is the same at 2700 RPM full throttle. Check
out Marc Cooks AvWeb article he wrote about the engine. Pretty good
reading...
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| Subject: | Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
Do I include their time also in the build time ?
Thanks,
Dan
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