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1. 12:45 AM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Jeff Point)
2. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! ()
3. 05:08 AM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Bruce Gray)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Ron Lee)
5. 05:43 AM - ADIZ, one more time with feeling (Chuck Jensen)
6. 05:53 AM - Re: IO390 (BPA)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Richard Sipp)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Bob Collins)
9. 07:06 AM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Christopher Stone)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Folbrecht, Paul)
11. 07:09 AM - The various RV sources of information (Bob Collins)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Folbrecht, Paul)
13. 07:23 AM - Trim the post (Kosta Lewis)
14. 07:30 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Dan Beadle)
15. 07:36 AM - Re: Build time-photographic (Jack Blomgren)
16. 07:56 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
17. 08:10 AM - Wings on their way! (smittysrv)
18. 08:11 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Dwight Frye)
19. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (linn Walters)
20. 08:27 AM - Re: The various RV sources of information (Bob Collins)
21. 08:38 AM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Randy Lervold)
22. 08:46 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (JOHN STARN)
23. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Konrad L. Werner)
24. 10:53 AM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (REHughes)
25. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE (Jim Anglin)
26. 12:30 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Chuck Jensen)
27. 03:30 PM - Survival Kit (Paul Besing)
28. 03:30 PM - Carb heat (Bert Murillo)
29. 04:34 PM - Re: Survival Kit (dsvs@comcast.net)
30. 04:55 PM - Re: Carb heat (Jeff Orear)
31. 05:53 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE (N395V)
32. 06:07 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (N395V)
33. 06:21 PM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (N395V)
34. 08:56 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Dave Nellis)
35. 09:12 PM - Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch (Bruce Gray)
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Hey Bruce, have I found a group for you!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV_Killers/
Jeff Point
RV6
Milwaukee
Oh, almost forgot, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>> Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>> Some of them were pretty useless messages.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> And just who defines exactly what a useless message is? [Rolling Eyes]
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> Milt
Milt, I didn't want to chime in and add more useless chatter; but; I can't
help myself. Matt just posted the guidelines to this list's usage. I'm
sure he did it because of the discussion over the last few days. If your
messages don't comply with those guidelines, they're useless messages. I
don't want to seem harsh; but, your message fell into that category. Many
of us who've been on this list for a very long time prefer that this list be
used as a help desk, so to speak. While you guys were wasting the bandwidth
on useless discussions, I've been answering RV-list questions offline so the
requestors wouldn't miss the answers in the clutter. Let's get back to
using this list as a technical help tool, with very little useless chatter,
so that requestors can get help with their projects. There are other lists
you can go to for chatter. Maybe the F1 Rocket guys have one?
Jim Sears in KY (making waves again)
do not archive
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| Subject: | DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Who would want to kill an RV, they're nice airplanes. It's just that some of
their builders on occasion lack tact.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Hey Bruce, have I found a group for you!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV_Killers/
Jeff Point
RV6
Milwaukee
Oh, almost forgot, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
> >>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
> >>pretty useless messages.
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> >And just who defines exactly what a useless message is? [Rolling Eyes]
Actually Jerry a periodic reminder is good. I also try to use the
"Do not archive" note but sometimes forget when making a non-archive worthy
post.
Ron Lee
Do nor archive
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| Subject: | ADIZ, one more time with feeling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
One more time. As tired as we are of the issue, we still need to make
our voice heard. Please consider one final submittal of you warmest
thoughts on the Washington ADIZ, which, after extension of the comment
period, is about to close.
http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/
Politicians respond to only two things; money and voters. Please don't
send them any more money but let them know we vote.
Chuck Jensen
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Yes, the IO-390 is counterweighted. Sorry I missed real question.
Allen
BPE, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LessDragProd@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: IO390
--> RV-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
Asked a different way.
Is the 390 a counterweighted crankshaft engine?
Or, as a non-counterweighted crankshaft engine, are there mid range RPM
restrictions similar to the non-counterweighted crankshaft 360 engine?
Jim
In a message dated 02/02/2006 1:32:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
BPA@bpaengines.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
Limiting RPM restriction is the same at 2700 RPM full throttle. Check
out Marc Cooks AvWeb article he wrote about the engine. Pretty good
reading...
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| Subject: | Re: Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I don't know of any official requirement to record build time at all. A
"builder's log" is usually used as proof that an individual is the actual
builder and could take just about any form you like. As to recording
assistant time I would think it's your choice.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dan@rdan.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
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> When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
> Do I include their time also in the build time ?
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> Thanks,
> Dan
> -8
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| Subject: | Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I don't believe thee's any requirement anywhere regarding logging build time
so I think it's up to you. Personally, I include build time of any helpers I
have in the total, but that's just me. It was confusing me for awhile when
I'd look at other people's sites where they keep track of build time and at
some point they were a lot fasater than me. Upon review, it became obvious
why (1) they had lots of help whose time wasn't being recorded and (2) I'm
America's slowest homebuilder. (g)
Do Not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
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> When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
> Do I include their time also in the build time ?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
> -8
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Randy...
Monokote and all the other model coverings are polyester film or woven polyester
fiber. Polyester resin will stick to the film but will not bond to it. Definitely
use mold release. There are also clear films available that are used
as commercial masking film. Some of these I believe are Mylar.
Hope this helps...
Chris Stone
Newberg, OR
2x RV8
-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com>
>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 6:37 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and I have a couple of rolls
>laying around. What is Monokote actually made of, and is there a chance that
>epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can you control what/where it
>adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off, the plexi in particular?
>
>Anyone have more experience with it?
>
>Randy
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Kyle,
>>
>> I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts to
>> expand on this.
>>
>> Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin may
>> still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release wax on
>> the Monokote followed with PVA mold release. Spray
>> multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote. PVA
>> has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the wax.
>> Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading. When
>> finished, the the piece will pop off the Monokote much
>> easier.
>>
>> Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on Monokote.
>> Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is reactive
>> to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe the
>> surface clean. Obviously, use proper ventilation and
>> protective safety gear.
>>
>> BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good fiberglass
>> supplier will stock this item.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
>>> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between the
>>> canopy and fuselage. My
>>> cardboard of preference (from making the empennage
>>> fairing years ago) comes
>>> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
>>>
>>> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing tape,
>>> and volia, female
>>> mold...
>>>
>>> Alternately, you could get yourself some Monokote or
>>> similar shrink film,
>>> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the plexi
>>> and fuselage, and shrink
>>> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even work.
>>> (Note- put a layer of
>>> packing tape between the monokote and your canopy,
>>> or risk color
>>> transfer)...
>>>
>>> KB
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
And a public 'thank you' to you, Jim, for the time you took yesterday to
answer my question (offline).
This list is an absolutely wonderful resource, probably especially for
us newer builders, considering the very limited hours of Van's tech
support.
(I ended up with "only" two questions during construction of my entire
9A HS, but I feel much wiser now thanks to what I've learned here. And,
unfortunately, it's very true that it's often simply not possible to
find what you're looking for in the archives, or not in a reasonable
time anyway).
Paul
(sez 'do not archive' at the end and now again here)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sears@searnet.com
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!
Milt, I didn't want to chime in and add more useless chatter; but; I
can't
help myself. Matt just posted the guidelines to this list's usage. I'm
sure he did it because of the discussion over the last few days. If
your
messages don't comply with those guidelines, they're useless messages.
I
don't want to seem harsh; but, your message fell into that category.
Many
of us who've been on this list for a very long time prefer that this
list be
used as a help desk, so to speak. While you guys were wasting the
bandwidth
on useless discussions, I've been answering RV-list questions offline so
the
requestors wouldn't miss the answers in the clutter. Let's get back to
using this list as a technical help tool, with very little useless
chatter,
so that requestors can get help with their projects. There are other
lists
you can go to for chatter. Maybe the F1 Rocket guys have one?
Jim Sears in KY (making waves again)
do not archive
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| Subject: | The various RV sources of information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
We interrupt the DNA discussion for a minor announcement.
I know a lot of folks get their RV fix from several locations, all of them
simply outstanding in their own ways -- Doug's Van's Air Force and this
Matronics list, and the Yahoogroups. As so of you know, Doug has decided to
close up the Yahoogroups lists and incorporate them into the VAF Forums
(which, let me repeat, are outstanding).
But some still want the Yahoogroups option and in order to give it to them,
and also to prevent the "community" from getting bogged down in the "do it"
vs. "don't do it" (shut 'em down) debate, I set up a replacement Yahoogroup
that folks are free to use or ignore (and, yes, I'm aware that folks have
set up alternative groups from time to time, but the debate of the last few
days around the "community" has made it clear few found 'em or...for that
matter...had a reason to leave the soon-to-depart Yahoogroups and, besides,
nobody has publicized their existence during the last few days.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV7/ (unmoderated)
Repeating: This is not meant to diminish the quality and participation of
any existing list -- and did I mentioin how terrific they all are? -- but
each "format" has its strengths and weaknesses and it appears some folks can
live with the weaknesses of the yahoogroup format because of its perceived
strength. So...there's a choice. And as with any choice, whether you make
it or not is completely up to you, but you should know it exists. Obviously
I'd like to see the prolific question-answerers show up there since they
seem to be available at all of the current choices -- certaily a testament
to their character and willingness to help.
Thanks
Bob Collins
St. Paul
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
FWIW, I haven't been. So far, everything I've had help with I *could*
do myself, though it'd be considerably more ackward in some cases
(bucking the HS middle nose ribs, for example).
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
Do I include their time also in the build time ?
Thanks,
Dan
-8
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" <mikel@dimensional.com>
Along the lines of leaving out "do not archive" is ignoring the PLEASE
TRIM THE POST request. Post after post I am scrolling down acres of
"arrows" to include the original post and ALL the previous answers in
one post, and without a do not archive. If you are interested in a
thread, you know what the previous posts were and leaving the pages of
previous posts attached to your answer just adds junk to the archives.
This subject comes up every three months or so and posters get good at
it again, then fall back into the old or usual habits and don't trim.
So: TRIM YOUR POSTS.
AND do not archive this, even though it is in this post several times.
Michael
Not a member of the List Police, just a concerned citizen
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| Subject: | Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
SO far, I have been able to buck everything myself. There are only a couple
places where I really needed an assistant - the biggest being supporting the
skins during dimpling (and, I know: I could have rearranged my bench to
support them for single person operation).
As for me, when I do have the help of an assistant, I include the time. I
figure we go 50% faster with two people but make 80% fewer mistakes. Bottom
line, I am about done with the empennage at 160 hours (including helpers).
Help accounted for about 30-40 hours of that time.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
FWIW, I haven't been. So far, everything I've had help with I *could*
do myself, though it'd be considerably more ackward in some cases
(bucking the HS middle nose ribs, for example).
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
Do I include their time also in the build time ?
Thanks,
Dan
-8
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| Subject: | Re: Build time-photographic |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
My build history is simply photographic. Many key photos have date attached
via Post-It note or chalk board with build number included. Some may show
myself or rivet-bucking daughter holding or using appropriate tool. All
unique or special features and building solutions are likewise so
documented.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I have gone the other way. I just take a picture once every few weeks if
something neat gets finished and don't even care about hours. It is a
good idea to have you in the picture with the part to prove that you
were there every now and then. Its also fun to look back on years later
and reflect on the fun. I have no idea how many hours it took to finish
the last plane and don't care, and neither does the FAA or the DAR. They
just want to know that you built it and a few pictures, bill of sale for
the kit and some parts receipts is all they care about.
>Do Not archive
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>>
>>When I get assistant, bucking rivets ect, on the plane .
>> Do I include their time also in the build time ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> -8
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| Subject: | Wings on their way! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Boy, am I excited! The wings will shipped the first part of next week. How many
warm bodies do I need to help lug the boxes into the garage (hangar)?
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9361#9361
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| Subject: | Re: Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
No no no ... *I* am America's slowest homebuilder. Really. :)
But for me I decided long ago that I wouldn't/couldn't keep up with 'helper
time' so all I do is log "clock time" for that time spent actually working
on airplane-related-stuff in the shop. I do not log "head scratching" time
unless it is spent in the shop bent over actually looking at and/or fiddling
with parts. I do think this under-states the amount of time I have spent on
the plane, but it works for me and I'm sticking with it.
I tell friends/family that the only tine you should REALLY log is that time
spent physically *bending* *over*. If your back doesn't hurt, then you are
not actually *doing* anything. (A joke, of course, but ..... )
-- Dwight (do not archive)
On Fri Feb 3 09:58:26 2006, Bob Collins wrote :
>I don't believe thee's any requirement anywhere regarding logging build time
>so I think it's up to you. Personally, I include build time of any helpers I
>have in the total, but that's just me. It was confusing me for awhile when
>I'd look at other people's sites where they keep track of build time and at
>some point they were a lot fasater than me. Upon review, it became obvious
>why (1) they had lots of help whose time wasn't being recorded and (2) I'm
>America's slowest homebuilder. (g)
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
OK, I confess. I use "do not archive" a lot. I use a few simple rules
for myself:
1. Is it specifically relevant to the list? Doesn't matter which list.
If not, DNA.
2. Is it from my own experience? It could be an isolated incident. If
yes, DNA
3. Is it my opinion? I have been known to be wrong. I hate to to
spread false info. That could be dangerous. If yes, DNA.
I kinda enjoy the "dna" food fight, though.
Linn
Ron Lee wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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>>>>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were
>>>>pretty useless messages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>And just who defines exactly what a useless message is? [Rolling Eyes]
>>>
>>>
>
>Actually Jerry a periodic reminder is good. I also try to use the
>"Do not archive" note but sometimes forget when making a non-archive worthy
>post.
>
>Ron Lee
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>Do nor archive
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| Subject: | The various RV sources of information |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sorry, correct address should be:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV7A/
Sorry.
Do not archive
>
> We interrupt the DNA discussion for a minor announcement.
>
> I know a lot of folks get their RV fix from several
> locations, all of them simply outstanding in their own ways
> -- Doug's Van's Air Force and this Matronics list, and the
> Yahoogroups. As so of you know, Doug has decided to close up
> the Yahoogroups lists and incorporate them into the VAF
> Forums (which, let me repeat, are outstanding).
>
> But some still want the Yahoogroups option and in order to
> give it to them, and also to prevent the "community" from
> getting bogged down in the "do it" vs. "don't do it" (shut
> 'em down) debate, I set up a replacement Yahoogroup that
> folks are free to use or ignore (and, yes, I'm aware that
> folks have set up alternative groups from time to time, but
> the debate of the last few days around the "community" has
> made it clear few found 'em or...for that matter...had a
> reason to leave the soon-to-depart Yahoogroups and, besides,
> nobody has publicized their existence during the last few days.)
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV7/ (unmoderated)
>
> Repeating: This is not meant to diminish the quality and
> participation of any existing list -- and did I mentioin how
> terrific they all are? -- but each "format" has its strengths
> and weaknesses and it appears some folks can live with the
> weaknesses of the yahoogroup format because of its perceived
> strength. So...there's a choice. And as with any choice,
> whether you make it or not is completely up to you, but you
> should know it exists. Obviously I'd like to see the prolific
> question-answerers show up there since they seem to be
> available at all of the current choices -- certaily a
> testament to their character and willingness to help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> Monokote and all the other model coverings are polyester film or woven
> polyester fiber. Polyester resin will stick to the film but will not bond
> to it. Definitely use mold release. There are also clear films available
> that are used as commercial masking film. Some of these I believe are
> Mylar.
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Chris Stone
> Newberg, OR
> 2x RV8
Chris (or anyone), will epoxy stick to it? I'll be laying up with West
Systems.
Thanks,
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Build time, include helpers ? |
Cc: "rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>, "rv10-list" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I know of one -6A that was "built" by the "owner" is just over 24 man hours
IF you only count HIS time spent working on the plane. He did supply the
money (kit, parts & payroll), hanger space & some of the tools. He was with
the award winning airplane at OSH to collect HIS trophy. Flown there & back
by someone else too.
We didn't keep track of building time with a stopwatch, a coupla (four or
five) calendars was close enough. KABONG 8*) Do Not Archive HRII N561FS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Build time, include helpers ?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> I don't believe thee's any requirement anywhere regarding logging build
> time
> so I think it's up to you. Personally, I include build time of any helpers
> I
> have in the total, but that's just me. It was confusing me for awhile when
> I'd look at other people's sites where they keep track of build time and
> at
> some point they were a lot fasater than me. Upon review, it became obvious
> why (1) they had lots of help whose time wasn't being recorded and (2) I'm
> America's slowest homebuilder. (g)
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
If the author thinks it's necessary to put a "do not archive" in his message,
then it is because he want's to do so for his writings !!!
But that does not prevent any reader from removing the "do not archive" as well
as re-posting the message and therefore have it in the archives forever, regardless
of- /or sidestepping of the wishes of the writer!
DO NOT ARCHIVE this thought of mine, as I certainly do no wish to have this note
stored forever.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
Chris,
Just a note for people who might be contemplating using polyester resin for
their windshield and canopy fairings... there are many entries in the
archives warning of damage to the canopy plastic when in contact with even
tiny amounts of the polyester resin components, or even the fumes. It would
seem to be much safer to use epoxy based systems in these areas.
Hawkeye Hughes
Polson MT Skyote, RV-3
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
> --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> Randy...
>
> Monokote and all the other model coverings are polyester film or woven
> polyester fiber. Polyester resin will stick to the film but will not bond
> to it. Definitely use mold release. There are also clear films available
> that are used as commercial masking film. Some of these I believe are
> Mylar.
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Chris Stone
> Newberg, OR
> 2x RV8
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com>
>>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 6:37 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>>
>>Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and I have a couple of rolls
>>laying around. What is Monokote actually made of, and is there a chance
>>that
>>epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can you control what/where
>>it
>>adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off, the plexi in particular?
>>
>>Anyone have more experience with it?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Kyle,
>>>
>>> I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts to
>>> expand on this.
>>>
>>> Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin may
>>> still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release wax on
>>> the Monokote followed with PVA mold release. Spray
>>> multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote. PVA
>>> has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the wax.
>>> Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading. When
>>> finished, the the piece will pop off the Monokote much
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on Monokote.
>>> Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is reactive
>>> to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe the
>>> surface clean. Obviously, use proper ventilation and
>>> protective safety gear.
>>>
>>> BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good fiberglass
>>> supplier will stock this item.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
>>>> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between the
>>>> canopy and fuselage. My
>>>> cardboard of preference (from making the empennage
>>>> fairing years ago) comes
>>>> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
>>>>
>>>> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing tape,
>>>> and volia, female
>>>> mold...
>>>>
>>>> Alternately, you could get yourself some Monokote or
>>>> similar shrink film,
>>>> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the plexi
>>>> and fuselage, and shrink
>>>> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even work.
>>>> (Note- put a layer of
>>>> packing tape between the monokote and your canopy,
>>>> or risk color
>>>> transfer)...
>>>>
>>>> KB
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
SNIP
> Ok you win Milt must be the "rolling eyes" that did it. :-) Fine if you
> guys don't care about the archives I guess then
> I don't either. If you can't tell which messages are useful and which
> ones are not then I certainly will not try to
> nudge people to use the do not archive feature in the future, carry on.
> Just for the record here is an example of a useless
> message IMO. That was the complete message in reply to another post. I
> am not picking "BPA engines" I just think
> that sometimes people forget to use it, I know I have in the past.
>
> "Tell him where you got the engine Ross"
>
> I will end it here so as not to continue to add to the useless posts
> which apparently from the response I am getting it was. :-(
>
> Jerry
>
WTG Jerry - I'm with you........and if you ever have to search the archives
you'll see why.
Jim
HR II N144HR
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| Subject: | Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Polyester resins typical have styrene as a solvent carrier. Styrene
will melt plexiglass. Epoxies do not have styrene content.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of REHughes
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
Chris,
Just a note for people who might be contemplating using polyester resin
for
their windshield and canopy fairings... there are many entries in the
archives warning of damage to the canopy plastic when in contact with
even
tiny amounts of the polyester resin components, or even the fumes. It
would
seem to be much safer to use epoxy based systems in these areas.
Hawkeye Hughes
Polson MT Skyote, RV-3
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
> --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone
<rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> Randy...
>
> Monokote and all the other model coverings are polyester film or woven
> polyester fiber. Polyester resin will stick to the film but will not
bond
> to it. Definitely use mold release. There are also clear films
available
> that are used as commercial masking film. Some of these I believe are
> Mylar.
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> Chris Stone
> Newberg, OR
> 2x RV8
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com>
>>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 6:37 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>>
>>Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and I have a couple of
rolls
>>laying around. What is Monokote actually made of, and is there a
chance
>>that
>>epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can you control
what/where
>>it
>>adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off, the plexi in
particular?
>>
>>Anyone have more experience with it?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Kyle,
>>>
>>> I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts to
>>> expand on this.
>>>
>>> Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin may
>>> still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release wax on
>>> the Monokote followed with PVA mold release. Spray
>>> multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote. PVA
>>> has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the wax.
>>> Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading. When
>>> finished, the the piece will pop off the Monokote much
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on Monokote.
>>> Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is reactive
>>> to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe the
>>> surface clean. Obviously, use proper ventilation and
>>> protective safety gear.
>>>
>>> BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good fiberglass
>>> supplier will stock this item.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
>>>> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between the
>>>> canopy and fuselage. My
>>>> cardboard of preference (from making the empennage
>>>> fairing years ago) comes
>>>> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
>>>>
>>>> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing tape,
>>>> and volia, female
>>>> mold...
>>>>
>>>> Alternately, you could get yourself some Monokote or
>>>> similar shrink film,
>>>> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the plexi
>>>> and fuselage, and shrink
>>>> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even work.
>>>> (Note- put a layer of
>>>> packing tape between the monokote and your canopy,
>>>> or risk color
>>>> transfer)...
>>>>
>>>> KB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Can anyone refer me to the guys who make the aviation
friendly survival kits I've seen at Oshkosh? I seem
to remember a great website that has many light weight
options.
Thanks.
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bert Murillo <bertrv6@gmail.com>
Hello:
Would like to know, how to improve or what is necessary to do, so that
the Carb Heat in my rv6a, will work?
It does not show any drop on RPM, nor even after flying for 30 minutes...
I know when landing, is very hot inside.
I have not cover the gaps, that exist, on each side of the Hose tube's
base,
that is the small, square base, that one rivet to the top of the Air box..
this small
base is not sealed all around. Is hard to explain, but is the unit that
comes from
Van's.
I want to see at least 30 rpms drop... when applied heat.... Same as in my
old
Cherokee 140, same engine I have now 0320 150HP
Thanks,
Bert
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Survival Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
www.aeromedix.com has some nice survival kits. I'm not sure that these are the kits you have seem at OSH, but they are intended for use in AC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Hi Bert:
Try installing a new carbheat muff. I have one that I got from Wicks, part
number EC100-020, installed on my 6A. I am close to my first test flights,
but those who have installed this muff report improved carbheat perfomance.
It is very easy to install. Fits very well on the forward crossover pipe.
Hope this helps
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Getting very close
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: RV-List: Carb heat
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bert Murillo <bertrv6@gmail.com>
>
> Hello:
>
> Would like to know, how to improve or what is necessary to do, so that
> the Carb Heat in my rv6a, will work?
>
> It does not show any drop on RPM, nor even after flying for 30 minutes...
> I know when landing, is very hot inside.
>
> I have not cover the gaps, that exist, on each side of the Hose tube's
> base,
> that is the small, square base, that one rivet to the top of the Air
> box..
> this small
> base is not sealed all around. Is hard to explain, but is the unit that
> comes from
> Van's.
>
> I want to see at least 30 rpms drop... when applied heat.... Same as in
> my
> old
> Cherokee 140, same engine I have now 0320 150HP
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
> must be the "rolling eyes" that did it.
Jim,
It is impossible to be unhappy with a guy who has a sense of humor and valid point
of view especially if he drives a rocket. [Wink]
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
Jim,
I am at a loss as to where to start [Shocked]
> I don't want to seem harsh; but, your message fell into that category.
Please do not worry I do not live in fear of you being harsh nor does thought cause
me to lose sleep.
> Matt just posted the guidelines to this list's usage. I'm
> sure he did it because of the discussion over the last few days. If your
> messages don't comply with those guidelines, they're useless messages.
>
Did Matt tell you this? Seems he ,on a routine basis re posts the guidelines and
FAQs. I suspect it is your opinion that this is his reason for posting them
now.
I have reviewed the guidelines and FAQs in detail and nowhere does it define "useless
posts". Once again you seem to be asserting an opinion.
In fact the guidelines state the following....
> to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
> among its members;
>
This suggests that content other than purely technical jargon is not only acceptable
but encouraged.
Now I also note two contradictory items.....
> Ask yourself if your post will be
> relevant to everyone
>
and
> that is relevant and has a broad appeal
Now perhaps the contradictory nature of these statements is why they are called
GUIDELINES and not RULES AND REGULATIONS.
Another item in the guidelines that hardly fits the "relevent to everyone " guideline
is... continued in post below............................
Do not archive
>
>
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
Continued from my post to Jim above
> Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
> subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
> List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
> should be of a friendly, informal nature,
Now as to your time honored comments of all forum police.................
> Many of us who've been on this list for a very long time prefer that this list
be
> There are other lists you can go to for chatter. Maybe the F1 Rocket guys have
one?
>
There are always those who think "I was here before you so you are less than me.
That just aint so.
And of course the invitation to go elsewhere. Well I ain't goin. This forum forum
provides a wealth of info relevant to my derivative of an RV and I shall for
my benefitcontinue to peruse it, and contribute where I think I have the ability.
As I do in the Rocket forum.
I will leave you with one of the guidelines yo originally referred me to.
> At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
> small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
> it.
This to me invites posts that you as an individual consider useless but others
would consider "fostering felowship and camaderie"
If you do not like what is posted you have the option of scrolling past or deleting
our posts, or complain to Matt and if he feels the spirit or letter of the
guidlines are being violated he can ban me or anyone from the lists. Or you
can e mail me directly if you wish to be "harsh", I have a thick skin. Come on
up to the Rocket list, you may find something useful. [Evil or Very Mad]
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Here is something else. Polyester hardens and appears
to cure, but it never fully cures. It is always
chemically active. With age, polyester will change
shape as it cures. Heat will accelerate this curing
and shape changing. I have used polyester in model
aircraft cowls and have noticed flared edges and once
flat surfaces are now wavy. I now only use epoxy for
any layup.
Dave Nellis
--- REHughes <hawk@digisys.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes"
> <hawk@digisys.net>
>
> Chris,
> Just a note for people who might be contemplating
> using polyester resin for
> their windshield and canopy fairings... there are
> many entries in the
> archives warning of damage to the canopy plastic
> when in contact with even
> tiny amounts of the polyester resin components, or
> even the fumes. It would
> seem to be much safer to use epoxy based systems in
> these areas.
>
> Hawkeye Hughes
> Polson MT Skyote, RV-3
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from
> scratch
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone
> <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Randy...
> >
> > Monokote and all the other model coverings are
> polyester film or woven
> > polyester fiber. Polyester resin will stick to
> the film but will not bond
> > to it. Definitely use mold release. There are
> also clear films available
> > that are used as commercial masking film. Some of
> these I believe are
> > Mylar.
> >
> > Hope this helps...
> >
> > Chris Stone
> > Newberg, OR
> > 2x RV8
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com>
> >>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 6:37 AM
> >>To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from
> scratch
> >>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> <randy@romeolima.com>
> >>
> >>Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and
> I have a couple of rolls
> >>laying around. What is Monokote actually made of,
> and is there a chance
> >>that
> >>epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can
> you control what/where
> >>it
> >>adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off,
> the plexi in particular?
> >>
> >>Anyone have more experience with it?
> >>
> >>Randy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis
> <truflite@yahoo.com>
> >>>
> >>> Kyle,
> >>>
> >>> I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts
> to
> >>> expand on this.
> >>>
> >>> Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin
> may
> >>> still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release
> wax on
> >>> the Monokote followed with PVA mold release.
> Spray
> >>> multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote.
> PVA
> >>> has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the
> wax.
> >>> Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading.
> When
> >>> finished, the the piece will pop off the
> Monokote much
> >>> easier.
> >>>
> >>> Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on
> Monokote.
> >>> Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is
> reactive
> >>> to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe
> the
> >>> surface clean. Obviously, use proper
> ventilation and
> >>> protective safety gear.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good
> fiberglass
> >>> supplier will stock this item.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> >>>> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between
> the
> >>>> canopy and fuselage. My
> >>>> cardboard of preference (from making the
> empennage
> >>>> fairing years ago) comes
> >>>> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
> >>>>
> >>>> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing
> tape,
> >>>> and volia, female
> >>>> mold...
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternately, you could get yourself some
> Monokote or
> >>>> similar shrink film,
> >>>> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the
> plexi
> >>>> and fuselage, and shrink
> >>>> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even
> work.
> >>>> (Note- put a layer of
> >>>> packing tape between the monokote and your
> canopy,
> >>>> or risk color
> >>>> transfer)...
> >>>>
> >>>> KB
> >>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Phoey!!! Polyester will continue to shrink, vynalester will not, epoxy fumes
can kill you.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nellis
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from scratch
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Here is something else. Polyester hardens and appears
to cure, but it never fully cures. It is always
chemically active. With age, polyester will change
shape as it cures. Heat will accelerate this curing
and shape changing. I have used polyester in model
aircraft cowls and have noticed flared edges and once
flat surfaces are now wavy. I now only use epoxy for
any layup.
Dave Nellis
--- REHughes <hawk@digisys.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes"
> <hawk@digisys.net>
>
> Chris,
> Just a note for people who might be contemplating
> using polyester resin for
> their windshield and canopy fairings... there are
> many entries in the
> archives warning of damage to the canopy plastic
> when in contact with even
> tiny amounts of the polyester resin components, or
> even the fumes. It would
> seem to be much safer to use epoxy based systems in
> these areas.
>
> Hawkeye Hughes
> Polson MT Skyote, RV-3
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from
> scratch
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone
> <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Randy...
> >
> > Monokote and all the other model coverings are
> polyester film or woven
> > polyester fiber. Polyester resin will stick to
> the film but will not bond
> > to it. Definitely use mold release. There are
> also clear films available
> > that are used as commercial masking film. Some of
> these I believe are
> > Mylar.
> >
> > Hope this helps...
> >
> > Chris Stone
> > Newberg, OR
> > 2x RV8
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com>
> >>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 6:37 AM
> >>To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass canopy skirt from
> scratch
> >>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> <randy@romeolima.com>
> >>
> >>Guys, the Monokote idea might just work well, and
> I have a couple of rolls
> >>laying around. What is Monokote actually made of,
> and is there a chance
> >>that
> >>epoxy resin won't stick to it? Also, how well can
> you control what/where
> >>it
> >>adheres? And lastly, how tough is it to get off,
> the plexi in particular?
> >>
> >>Anyone have more experience with it?
> >>
> >>Randy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis
> <truflite@yahoo.com>
> >>>
> >>> Kyle,
> >>>
> >>> I like the monokote idea. A couple of thoughts
> to
> >>> expand on this.
> >>>
> >>> Monokote has a very glossy finish. The resin
> may
> >>> still stick to the Monokote. Use mold release
> wax on
> >>> the Monokote followed with PVA mold release.
> Spray
> >>> multiple LIGHT coats of PVA onto the Monokote.
> PVA
> >>> has a tendency to bead up when sprayed over the
> wax.
> >>> Multiple light coats help eliminate the beading.
> When
> >>> finished, the the piece will pop off the
> Monokote much
> >>> easier.
> >>>
> >>> Acetone removes the pigment/adhesive used on
> Monokote.
> >>> Unless the surface beneath the Monokote is
> reactive
> >>> to acetone, put some acetone on a rag and wipe
> the
> >>> surface clean. Obviously, use proper
> ventilation and
> >>> protective safety gear.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, PVA is PolyVinyl Alcohol. Any good
> fiberglass
> >>> supplier will stock this item.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> >>>> <kboatright1@comcast.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> You could try tapeing thin cardboard between
> the
> >>>> canopy and fuselage. My
> >>>> cardboard of preference (from making the
> empennage
> >>>> fairing years ago) comes
> >>>> from Diet Coke 12-pack cartons...
> >>>>
> >>>> Several pieces of cardboard, a little packing
> tape,
> >>>> and volia, female
> >>>> mold...
> >>>>
> >>>> Alternately, you could get yourself some
> Monokote or
> >>>> similar shrink film,
> >>>> cut it to rough shape, tape the ends to the
> plexi
> >>>> and fuselage, and shrink
> >>>> the stuff into the shape you want. Might even
> work.
> >>>> (Note- put a layer of
> >>>> packing tape between the monokote and your
> canopy,
> >>>> or risk color
> >>>> transfer)...
> >>>>
> >>>> KB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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