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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Wings on their way! (Bob Perkinson)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE ()
3. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE (Kevin Horton)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Build time, include helpers ? (Dale Ensing)
5. 06:28 AM - Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Tim Olson)
6. 06:28 AM - Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! (Rick Galati)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Richard E. Tasker)
8. 12:49 PM - Re. AK 450 Remote Battery (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
9. 02:19 PM - firesleeved hoses and chafing (sarg314)
10. 03:30 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (sheldon barrett)
11. 05:15 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Chris & Kellie Hand)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: firesleeved hoses and chafing (linn Walters)
13. 06:01 PM - Sherwin williams GBP-988 question. (David Karlsberg)
14. 07:33 PM - Seat heaters (Tony Mikus)
15. 08:19 PM - Re: Re. AK 450 Remote Battery (Tim Olson)
16. 08:31 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (D.Bristol)
17. 08:36 PM - Re: Sherwin williams GBP-988 question. (LarryRobertHelming)
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| Subject: | Wings on their way! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
It only took one warm body to unload and get mine into the garage. No big
deal, just don't drop it.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of smittysrv
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wings on their way!
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Boy, am I excited! The wings will shipped the first part of next week. How
many warm bodies do I need to help lug the boxes into the garage (hangar)?
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Smittys RV-9A
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
I hope Milt feels better for venting his anger. Unfortunately, he's added
more "useless" chatter to the list, in the process. Those, like Milt, who
believe it's OK to post trivia, jokes, etc., on the list on a regular basis,
instead of chatting offline, will continue to do so. If challenged, they'll
find a way to justify it. There will always be folks like Jerry and myself
who still consider the RV-list a support forum, with small bits of humor,
etc., thrown in, and will want to keep it that way. We'll continue trying
to keep our clutter to a minimum, and try to convince others to do the same,
because we've tried using the archives and couldn't find the information we
needed due to the clutter involved.
Those who contribute tidbits that aren't support information will continue
to not use "do not archive" and add to the problem. It's just too easy to
forget to add that little phrase. That's the real problem. Some worry that
using the "do not archive" phrase too much could lead to not having good
information archived. Most of the info we see has already been archived, at
some point. If one feels that the info is important enough to archive, one
can archive it for the contributor, as has been done before.
As for hitting the delete key, unfortunately, it's become the norm, instead
of the exception, for many of us. There seems to be more chatter than
actual support generation, these days. Oftentimes, a question is asked and
never gets answered because the responses have nothing to do with the
question. When that happens, I try to answer the question offline and start
hitting the delete key.
Anyway, maybe it's time to end this thread and get back to building RVs.
Enough has been said on the subject. We'll agree to disagree on this list's
usage forever and not get anything done. I'm headed for the shop where I
can take my frustration out on some rivets. :-)
Jim in KY
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 4 Feb 2006, at 06:01, <sears@searnet.com> <sears@searnet.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
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> As for hitting the delete key, unfortunately, it's become the norm,
> instead
> of the exception, for many of us. There seems to be more chatter than
> actual support generation, these days. Oftentimes, a question is
> asked and
> never gets answered because the responses have nothing to do with the
> question. When that happens, I try to answer the question offline
> and start
> hitting the delete key.
I agree that the signal to noise ratio on this list has declined, and
that is unfortunate. But I believe that sending replies directly to
the person who asked the question only contributes to the problem.
It reduces the amount of "signal" on the list, and makes the list
look like it is only a place for chatter.
Quite often I have learned a lot from answers to questions I didn't
ask. I believe we should always post answers to the list.
Just my opinion.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Build time, include helpers ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
When a kit airplane is reviewed by the FAA for compliance to the 51 percent rule,
it is not building time that qualifies it. It is the task to complete the airplane.
That is why credit is given for building the ribs (for example) when
only one rib is fabricated by the "builder" of the airplane.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
N118DE
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
To the last, ALL you guys seem quite willing to express personal opinion relative
to the debate de jour....DO NOT ARCHIVE. However, nowhere in all these articulate
posts do I witness a single photograph of ANY sender. Come one fellas!
Welcome to the visual age. Lets put some real faces to these names and those
personas who choose the path of conveniently cryptic "N" number anonymity.
Matt went to considerable trouble to make this capability possible. Show him
and your rapt audience an uncommon appreciation by including your personal avatar
tagged to a freely offered post.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
It is included, but must be changed periodically (I believe mine says
every five years). If you have it in an inaccessible or hard to reach
place you might want to rethink the location.
Dick Tasker
Tim Olson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
>remote on the AK-450 ELT?
>
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| Subject: | Re. AK 450 Remote Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Tim:
I didn't have to get a battery for the remote with my AK-450. Just the D
cells.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | firesleeved hoses and chafing |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I am making oil and fuel hoses for my RV-6A using steel braided teflon
hose. Is it OK for a firesleeved hose to touch another firesleeved
hose? How about a firesleeved hose touching the engine mount or the
firewall?
In other words is the firesleeve by itself good enough chafing
protection or should I anchor clamp the hoses down in such a way that
they can' touch anything?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sheldon barrett" <sheldonb@frontiernet.net>
Tim,
Yes, it's already installed... and has to be re-newed every year...(per
instructions)... need to make it easy to get too...
Sheldon Barrett...RV6A 400 hours...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:40 AM
Subject: RV-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
> remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
> to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
> not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
> D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
> is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery |
Included?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
I installed mine last weekend and it came with both the D-cell batteries and
remote panel battery already installed.
Chris Hand
RV-6A, finishing kit stages
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:40 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
> remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
> to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
> not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
> D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
> is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firesleeved hoses and chafing |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Just as a matter of course, I'd use the 'double Adel clamp' method to
anchor them down. Chafing, over time, will wear. The only unknown is
how fast it'll wear.
Linn
do not archive (opinion)
sarg314 wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
>I am making oil and fuel hoses for my RV-6A using steel braided teflon
>hose. Is it OK for a firesleeved hose to touch another firesleeved
>hose? How about a firesleeved hose touching the engine mount or the
>firewall?
>
>In other words is the firesleeve by itself good enough chafing
>protection or should I anchor clamp the hoses down in such a way that
>they can' touch anything?
>--
>Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Sherwin williams GBP-988 question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
Okay so I have decided to prime the inside of my plane with GBP-988. I
started priming the inner parts of the HS and I noticed that sometimes the
GBP-988 goes on really smooth and on other surfaces goes on real rough and
comes out feeling like sand paper. I am using the aerosol cans, if that
matters. I am also cleaning every part with MEK but not scouring the parts
with a scotch bright pad. I figure it is best to keep the alcad.
1. Does it matter that some faces of the part is smooth and some is rough?
2. How much of this stuff do I use? I usually have to spray every part
twice to get all the pieces covered. I have already gone through a can just
on the HS.
3. Sometimes the the primer goes on lighter grey and sometimes it goes on
darker. What's up with that?
4. Am I supposed to shake the can before I spray?
Thanks,
David
PS. I know some of you guys are sensitive about priming questions. I
checked the archives couldn't find anything. Here is my white flag. No
war!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Mikus" <cflyer@sopris.net>
I just recently got some seat heating elements for my RV8 and thought others may be interested in this info. These are called Step warmfloor and are a self regulating plastic element that run on 12 volts. They make many different elements. The ones i got are 3" wide and draw 12 watts per foot. I plan to put them under a thin layer of foam at the top of my cushions. Their website is www.warmfloor.com. No fine wires to break or short out and no failure modes that i know of. I used this material to heat an entire house a few years ago and these people are great to deal with. Have not installed this in seats yet, but do not anticipate any problems. Tony
RV8qb Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Re. AK 450 Remote Battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks to all who replied. Yes, mine came with a battery
in the remote I found so it's all installed and
ready for a crash. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Final Assembly
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> Tim:
> I didn't have to get a battery for the remote with my AK-450. Just the D
> cells.
>
> Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
> A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> Charleston,Arkansas
> Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Sheldon,
According to my manual, if the remote battery is lithium, it's only
necessary to replace it every 8 years and if it's alkaline, every 4
years. The main batteries must be date coded by the manufacturer and
replaced by the date on the batteries. They recommend replacing the "D"
cell main batteries every year but it's only mandatory by the date on
the batteries.
Dave, RV6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
sheldon barrett wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "sheldon barrett" <sheldonb@frontiernet.net>
>
>Tim,
>Yes, it's already installed... and has to be re-newed every year...(per
>instructions)... need to make it easy to get too...
>Sheldon Barrett...RV6A 400 hours...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: "RV10" <RV10-list@matronics.com>; <rv-list@matronics.com>;
><aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:40 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included?
>
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>>Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
>>remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
>>to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
>>not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
>>D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
>>is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
>>
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>>--
>>Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sherwin williams GBP-988 question. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: RV-List: Sherwin williams GBP-988 question.
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
>
> Okay so I have decided to prime the inside of my plane with GBP-988. I
> started priming the inner parts of the HS and I noticed that sometimes the
> GBP-988 goes on really smooth and on other surfaces goes on real rough and
> comes out feeling like sand paper. I am using the aerosol cans, if that
> matters. I am also cleaning every part with MEK but not scouring the
> parts
> with a scotch bright pad. I figure it is best to keep the alcad.
>
> 1. Does it matter that some faces of the part is smooth and some is
> rough?
You should apply and get a uniform smooth surface. Maybe you need practice.
Do not apply heavy coats. Several light coats would be better than a heavy
one.
>
> 2. How much of this stuff do I use? I usually have to spray every part
> twice to get all the pieces covered. I have already gone through a can
> just
> on the HS.
With proper preparation, clean by using soap and water with a scotch brite
pad will not remove the alclad although it will look to be scuffed up. This
primer is self etching so scotch briting is not really needed but it will
not harm the alclad if you do not over scrub. Rinse and allow to dry
completely. Follow with a solvent like MEK or lacquer thinner applied with
clean rag and wear gloves to keep your skin oils off the metal and allow it
to dry completely. PLEASE be aware that this primer requires a top coat of
something to give corrosion protection. Using only the primer without a top
coat is not preventing corrosion. Please see the directions on the can. If
you prime your whole plane with this product, you will go through several 12
can cases. This stuff is easy to work with and can be safely used to
temporarily protect parts that you remove the alclad from due to grinding or
dent removal. Such a surface would normally be on the exterior and be
refinished by priming and final painting at completion of the plane or
assembled part.
>
> 3. Sometimes the the primer goes on lighter grey and sometimes it goes on
> darker. What's up with that?
>
Be sure to see next question and answer.
> 4. Am I supposed to shake the can before I spray?
>
You got to be kidding right? Yes, shake it. Respect recommended
temperatures. I think you are pulling a fast one with this question but I
answered it just in case...
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
Indiana Larry,
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
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