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1. 02:28 AM - Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Dana Overall)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Robert E. Lynch)
3. 05:00 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
4. 07:52 AM - Fuel Tank Bulletin (Edwardoconnor)
5. 08:22 AM - Fuel tank bulletin (Stephen J. Soule)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (N901DT)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Kyle Boatright)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin (JOHN STARN)
9. 08:49 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Tim Bryan)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Memorial plane, Please read (Jeff Dowling)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: Remember Von Alexander? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Mickey Coggins)
13. 10:33 AM - Arlington (HCRV6@comcast.net)
14. 10:38 AM - tank paint protector (Evan and Megan Johnson)
15. 10:50 AM - Re: tank paint protector (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
16. 10:51 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin (Jeff Dowling)
17. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol)
18. 12:29 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Stephen J. Soule)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB (Fred Stucklen)
20. 12:29 PM - Re: Vans wingtip nav antenna (Jekyll)
21. 12:30 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ken & Terri Howell)
22. 12:57 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Mickey Coggins)
23. 01:00 PM - Re: tank paint protector (Evan and Megan Johnson)
24. 01:19 PM - Re: tank paint protector (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
25. 01:24 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Paul Trotter)
26. 01:52 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ed Anderson)
27. 02:34 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (DAVID REEL)
28. 02:50 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (RV6 Flyer)
29. 02:52 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Richard Seiders)
30. 02:53 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Kyle Boatright)
31. 02:55 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Darrell Reiley)
32. 03:06 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol)
33. 03:10 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ed Anderson)
34. 03:17 PM - Fuel Tank "AD" (John Fasching)
35. 03:27 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol)
36. 03:40 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Paul Trotter)
37. 03:58 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Charlie England)
38. 04:08 PM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Charlie England)
39. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
40. 04:46 PM - Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Bud Newhall)
41. 05:13 PM - Chill on the fuel tank SB (Alex Peterson)
42. 05:22 PM - Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Ralph E. Capen)
43. 05:23 PM - i39 Flyin Report (Dana Overall)
44. 07:09 PM - Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Steve Allison)
45. 07:09 PM - Re: i39 Flyin Report (Dana Overall)
46. 07:28 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
47. 07:51 PM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Brett Morawski)
48. 08:24 PM - Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Ralph E. Capen)
49. 09:39 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "AD" (Tailgummer@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental designer,
that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube coming
off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane is
YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their
butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes
falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then switch
to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to
be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out to
42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land. Cutting
it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off the
bridge just because they built it:-)
Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the flyin........course
we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all
cost RV'ers:-)
Foor goodness sake do not archive
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor Repair Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
Ted.
Give me a call at 573 893 2291 at around 9am cst. I can help you trouble
shoot the compressor.
Bob Lynch
Jeff City, Mo.
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| Subject: | Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Dana, I agree! When installing the anti-rotation blocks on my RV6-A I used
a liberal amount of Proseal on the fitting.....better than safety wire. That
tube isn't coming lose in my RV!!
Tom in Ohio (362-CT)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental
> designer,
> that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube
> coming
> off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane
> is
> YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their
> butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes
> falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then
> switch
> to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to
> be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out
> to
> 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land.
> Cutting
> it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off
> the
> bridge just because they built it:-)
>
> Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the
> flyin........course
> we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all
> cost RV'ers:-)
>
>
> Foor goodness sake do not archive
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to
cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now
it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I
am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The
idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and
reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and
sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun. I like the bore scope
idea. I know they make one that could be used considering where I have
seen them placed in the human body. It could fit through the tank drain
hole and inspect the AN fittings.
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| Subject: | Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Hello,
This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice
about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see
the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line
between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has
wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the
wing?
I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I
had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I
don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job.
Steve Soule
Highgate, Vermont
N227RV, RV-6A
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Fuel tank bulletin
Hello,
This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice about
how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see the need
to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line between the wing
skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has wicked into and
under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the wing?
I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I had
mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I don't want
to make a mess of my nice new paint job.
Steve Soule
Highgate, Vermont
N227RV, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" <N901DT@houston.rr.com>
I agree that we can legally fly. My concern is with the insurance company
if the unlikely happens.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental
> designer,
> that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube
> coming
> off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane
> is
> YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their
> butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes
> falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then
> switch
> to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to
> be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out
> to
> 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land.
> Cutting
> it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off
> the
> bridge just because they built it:-)
>
> Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the
> flyin........course
> we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all
> cost RV'ers:-)
>
>
> Foor goodness sake do not archive
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks.
According to the service bulletin, you don't need to remove the tanks. Of
course, trying to remove those screws, etc. in the 3" (?) gap between the
fuselage and wing tanks ain't gonna be fun or easy.
KB
>Does anyone have advice
> about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see
> the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line
> between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint
> has
> wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the
> wing?
>
> I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks.
> I
> had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I
> don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job.
>
> Steve Soule
> Highgate, Vermont
> N227RV, RV-6A
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin |
Cc: "rocket-list" <rocket-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
At last the sound of common sense & reason in a sea of mass hysteria. Now
this is something that can be done for YOUR own protection. We'll do both
BUT a look see via the drain hole will work until we get ALL the stuff on
hand, in the hanger to do the complete job Van has requested. Pro Seal,
gasket material, new screws anyone ??? 8*) KABONG HRII N561FS
''I like the bore scope idea. I know they make one that could be used
considering where I have seen them placed in the human body. It could fit
through the tank drain hole and inspect the AN fittings."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwardoconnor" <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
>
> I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to
> cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now
> it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I
> am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The
> idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and
> reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and
> sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Why couldn't one take other measures? Use a bore scope to inspect, etc. and
log that in the books. As the builder, you should be able to cover it
rather than just ignore it.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
From: N901DT
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ
--> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" <N901DT@houston.rr.com>
I agree that we can legally fly. My concern is with the insurance company
if the unlikely happens.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental
> designer,
> that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube
> coming
> off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane
> is
> YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their
> butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes
> falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then
> switch
> to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to
> be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out
> to
> 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land.
> Cutting
> it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off
> the
> bridge just because they built it:-)
>
> Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the
> flyin........course
> we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all
> cost RV'ers:-)
>
>
> Foor goodness sake do not archive
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial plane, Please read |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
I have plenty of parts to donate.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby alexander" <n41va@blazemail.com>
Cc: <n41va@blazemail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: RV-List: Memorial plane, Please read
> --> RV-List message posted by: kelby alexander <n41va@blazemail.com>
>
>
> Let me clarify my goal and my intentions with this "memorial airplane." I
> had a few VERY good ideas given to me (thanks John Jessen). First off, I
> am going to focus not on the fact that these pilots have passesd away
> doing what they love. But I am going to focus on the love they had for
> flying and especially the love they had for RV's. So here is the plan:
>
>
> 1. The plane will be built entirely on donations, and money raised thru
> various fund raising events.
>
>
> 2. The plane WILL NOT BE MY PERSONAL PLANE and I will not profit from it
> in any way form or shape.
>
>
> 3. Every detail on the plane will be a community effort, paint scheme and
> colors, interior, everything will be ran thru this RV list and those who
> have donated whatever they can, small or large.
>
>
> 4. When it is finished, it will immediatly be donated to the EAA and be
> flown from one chapter to the next. So this would be an EAA plane when it
> is finished.
>
>
> 5. It will be built to give the gift of flight to those who do not of
> access to a plane. (I grew up in the back of an RV and those are my best
> memories).
>
>
> 6. Instead of having the names of the pilots we have lost, the plane will
> travel with a book with every RV-ers flight stories, experiences and
> advice to Young Eagles. And as it travels around it will gain more and
> more experiences and stories.
>
>
> I mentioned one way this will be paid for are Custom Flight Suits that my
> family and I are making, I have had good interest in them so far. They
> will have your name embrordered on the left chest, the date of your first
> flight and the model (RV-6-8-9 etc..) on the right hand sideand your tail
> number on the back.We can also put 2 patches from Vans, and if you wish
> aLycoming patch as well.They will be VERY nice and very high quality. they
> can come in Navy Blue, Kahki, Olive Green or Black with any color of
> embrodery. Each one will cost my family and I $90.00 so anything over $90
> will go towards the cost of the plane. Please email me if you would like
> to order one for you or a friend. The $90.00 includes shipping.
>
>
> So I really hope this idea gets a good response. Please let me know what
> you guys think and give me your ideas and feedback. And like I said this
> will be paid for by donations. So email me if you would like to donate
> towards this project, I have a SEPERATE bank account set up and SEPERATE
> pay-pal account set up for this. I will keep you guys up to date on the
> progress, but our first step is a set of tools (That will be donated to
> The Young Eagles as well) I figure between $1,200-$1,500. Then we will
> purchase the tail kit, as soon......So email me if you would like to
> donate, not only money buttools, avionics, radios, a hanger spaceto build
> it in. Even something as small as a little bag of rivets would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Thank you guys very much for your time.
>
>
> Fight the power! BlazeMail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Remember Von Alexander? |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
Thanks Jerry, somehow I had gotten the date for Arlington wrong.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 185 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
> >
> >Kelby, have you considered that July 1st, Saturday, is right in the middle of
> the Arlington fly-in?
> >
> >--
> >Harry Crosby
> >RV-6 N16CX, 183 hours
> >
> >
> >
> Actually it is not, it starts on the 5th.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> According to the service bulletin, you don't need to remove the tanks. Of
> course, trying to remove those screws, etc. in the 3" (?) gap between the
> fuselage and wing tanks ain't gonna be fun or easy.
Do yourself a favor, and get some torx screws from microfasteners.
You only need an inch to get them off. Of course, allen screws
would work just as well. I've got pics here, if you are
interested in what they look like.
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004082222240152
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
Kelby and all, sorry for any confusion I caused on dates for Arlington. I was
wrong, Arlington is July 5th through the 9th according to the website. No conflict
with Kelby's plan for July 1.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 185 hours
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| Subject: | tank paint protector |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I was looking for a way to protect the fuel tanks from gas spill when pumping and
found this in motorcycle world. Looks like a good, cheap and light way to protect
that expensive paint job. Anybody using one of these already? Comments?
Link below:
http://goldwingcustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=3D6&Category_ID=3D25&manufacturer_ID=3D340&product_ID=3D11693
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
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| Subject: | Re: tank paint protector |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Evan, please double check this link.....it does not work for me.
Thanks,
Doug
RV-7 N731RV
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
2 boroscopes
http://da.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwardoconnor" <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
>
> I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to
> cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now
> it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I
> am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The
> idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and
> reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and
> sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun. I like the bore scope
> idea. I know they make one that could be used considering where I have
> seen them placed in the human body. It could fit through the tank drain
> hole and inspect the AN fittings.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and
used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after
they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than
painted screws, and are much more serviceable.
BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with
the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one.
Dave -6 So Cal
Stephen J. Soule wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
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>Hello,
>
>This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice
>about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see
>the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line
>between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has
>wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the
>wing?
>
>I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I
>had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I
>don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job.
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>Steve Soule
>Highgate, Vermont
>N227RV, RV-6A
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>Hello,
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>This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice about
how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see the need
to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line between the
wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has wicked into and
under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the wing?
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>I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I had
mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I don't want
to make a mess of my nice new paint job.
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>Steve Soule
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>Highgate, Vermont
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Dave,
I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that even
when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with
paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the tank
apart from the wing.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and
used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after
they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than
painted screws, and are much more serviceable.
BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with
the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Stucklen" <wstucklen1@cox.net>
I tend to agree with the fact that this service bulletin is a bit harsh.
Lets see, I put over 2000Hrs on the first RV-6A (and it's been flying
for
another 3.5 Years) and 525 Hrs on this one. Neither has had a pickup
come off ( I must have properly torqued & flared them..)
And if this is indeed an issue with flare nuts, then I must assume
that all others need to be safety wired as well.
Funny, the standard FAA repair manual doesn't suggest this
action.....
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <HYPERLINK
"mailto:lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com"lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
A properly torqued flare nut will not come loose. Lock it down and
be
done. There are some good instructions on this Thread on the
Vansairforce.net for drilling if you wish to punish yourself.
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: Vans wingtip nav antenna |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com wrote:
> It doesn't really matter - orient it whatever way fits best. The
> lateral vs. longitudinal direction can't matter, or else performance
> would depend on the direction you are flying :-) Dennis Glaeser
>
Dennis: Thanks for knocking that dunce cap right down over my ears where it belongs.
My ears have been getting a bit drafty lately.
[Embarassed]
Jekyll
Duh
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14960#14960
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| Subject: | Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken & Terri Howell" <tandk_howell@comcast.net>
I haven't built my tanks yet, so shouldn't have a problem complying with
this SB. But I do have a question. Step 16 of the SB says to check the
AN818-4D vent line coupling for proper torque before reinstalling the T-408
cover plate. That's no guarantee that it's not going to fall off in the
future. I plan on buttering the vent line coupling nut with Proseal after it
has been torqued. The question is, how good would Proseal be for "locking"
the coupling nut, or should some other kind of fuel-resistant Loctite be
used?
Ken Howell
Glenwood Maryland
RV-7 Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ... Step 16 of the SB says to check the
> AN818-4D vent line coupling for proper torque before reinstalling the T-408
> cover plate. That's no guarantee that it's not going to fall off in the
> future. I plan on buttering the vent line coupling nut with Proseal after it
> has been torqued. The question is, how good would Proseal be for "locking"
> the coupling nut, or should some other kind of fuel-resistant Loctite be
> used?
It seems like proseal would keep a nut on, but I'm not sure I
see the need to do this to the fuel tank vent line. In the
very unlikely even that it comes off, it might be annoying,
but it should not ruin your whole day.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: tank paint protector |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
here's another one for the same product.
http://www.thetankbib.com/
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: <DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: tank paint protector
> --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
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> Evan, please double check this link.....it does not work for me.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> RV-7 N731RV
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--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2006 3:01:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
evmeg@snowcrest.net writes:
http://www.thetankbib.com/
That may help. What I have used for the last 40 years is a rubber shower mat
with a hole cut in it. Helps avoid scratches around the filler also. Would
be nice if we could purchase that product materiel and size it for A/C. I might
make a stop at the local Harley shop.
Thanks
Regards,
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I
mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the flop
tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what others
find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet.
Do Not Archive
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and
> used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after
> they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than
> painted screws, and are much more serviceable.
> BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with
> the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one.
>
> Dave -6 So Cal
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Trotter" <ptrotter@acm.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>
> I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I
> mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the
> flop
> tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what
> others
> find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet.
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I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and
unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I
don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess
you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank off
is going to be easier.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this one?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
These are the only fittings that CANNOT be inspected during a normal
condition inspection. There was ONE know ACCIDENT from this connection being
loose.
Van knows more about RV airplanes that I do.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,841 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this
one?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
Probably because it's one we don't have easy access to, or even see when
changing oil etc. I like to put a wrench on the available nuts each time
the cowl, wing root fairings, wheel pants etc are off. Makes me feel better.
Dick RV6A 400hrs
At 05:32 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
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>There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only
>this one?
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>Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the
drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the
access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Trotter" <ptrotter@acm.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>>
>> I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I
>> mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the
>> flop
>> tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what
>> others
>> find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> Paul
>>
> I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and
> unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I
> don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess
> you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank
> off
> is going to be easier.
>
> Ed
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
It's the only connection that Van's attorney is concerned with at this time. ;-)
Darrell
DAVID REEL <dreel@cox.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL"
There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this one?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Maybe that was on a -7. On my -6 there isn't enough room to get your
hand between the wing and fuselage, let alone enough to reach inside the
tank to break the proseal loose on the flop tube. Anyway, on my
airplane, it's easy to remove the tanks, draining them is the hard part
- wait - I could just FLY the fuel out!
Dave
Paul Trotter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>
>I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I
>mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the flop
>tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
> It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the
> drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the
> access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank.
>
I think that applies to the normal tank pick-up, but the flop tube is not
attached to anything other than its fitting (otherwise, it could not flop).
Ed
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I finally managed to download the service bulletin...can't figure out how you'd
drill a hole through the coupling nut, then thread it on tightly without the
safety wire getting involved iand jammed up in the threads...what am I missing?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Steve,
Just use a razor blade along the edge of the tank. The paint will not
have run under the edge enough to cause it to stick unless the painter
REALLY loaded it up with wet paint.
Dave
Stephen J. Soule wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
>
>Dave,
>
>I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that even
>when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with
>paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the tank
>apart from the wing.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol
>Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and
>used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after
>they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than
>painted screws, and are much more serviceable.
>BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with
>the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
You don't take the flare nut off. You remove the entire assembly including
the bulkhead fitting by removing the nut on the outside of the tank and
breaking the proseal loose. Then you fix the assembly outside the tank and
reinstall it with new proseal. The only issue I can see is how hard it is
to break lose the proseal since there is limited movement in the bulkhead
fitting if you put an anti-rotation bracket in.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Trotter" <ptrotter@acm.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
>>
>> I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I
>> mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the
>> flop
>> tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what
>> others
>> find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> Paul
>>
> I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and
> unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I
> don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess
> you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank
> off
> is going to be easier.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
>It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the
>drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the
>access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank.
>
There may be some confusion about the 'reach' required because of the
difference between standard & flop tube pickups.
I don't know for sure about the -6, but the -7 has the flop tube
installed on a fitting through the leading edge reinforcement angle.
That's a pretty long reach & would mean getting your elbow between the
fuse & wing, turning into the tank, then turning again toward the
leading edge & reaching forward to the leading edge to do your
tightening & safety wiring.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Compressor Repair Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Ted Lumpkin wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I purchased a 5hp, 26 gallon air compressor from Harbor Freight. It worked well
for a year, but now will barely turnover and will not develop full rpm and,
therefore, will not compress air. A friend of mine tells me the compressor
is trying to start using "run" current. I've checked the circuit breaker
and the centrifugal clutch switch that triggers the start vs. run circuit. They
both check out fine. The oil level is correct and the compressor cylinder
appears fine. I have removed the start capacitor, but haven't had any luck
finding a replacement.
>
> Three questions:
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> Has anyone else solved a similar problem and, if so, how?
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> Does anyone know where I can get an air compressor start capacitor?
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> If I have to change the entire motor, is there a cheap (cheaper than buying
another compressor) place to buy one?
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> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Ted
>
Most electronic supply houses & just about any heating & air
conditioning supply house should have a replacement that will work. Take
the old one with you & find one with equal or higher voltage rating &
uFD rating that's somewhere close to the value on your old one. If you
go to an electronics house, be sure they understand that it's for AC
operation, not DC.
I think that HF sells motors, too.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB |
CC: cliffgerber@comcast.net, GStorey826@aol.com, Sherry@bobsherryhaan.com,
lakauf@comcast.net
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
_http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-2-23.pdf_
(http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-2-23.pdf)
This takes the cake! Out of 4500+ RV flying, ONE guy has a loosened
bulkhead nut that was more than likely caused by improper installation, so now
we
all get to rip into our tanks... If there is more to this story, Van's should
tell us, but to ground the whole fleet on this one instance, involving
thousands of man hours of labor is simply preposterous, if not downright stupid.
Even the FAA wouldn't be this dumb. Someone at Van's has overeacted to the
extreme, probably due to a hyperactive lawyer...
I wonder if certified aircraft must have safetied fuel bulkhead nuts? If
this is so, then I guess we better remove all our fuel lines and safety them
also. How about in the engine compartment where it would cause a fire, rather
than this one which *only* turns you into a glider with a chance to switch
tanks?
Any A&P's on this board know the answer if certified ships have this mod in
their tanks?
I agree with the guy who says ring Van's phones off the hooks Monday
starting around 7a.m.... Not to mention a couple thou emails... They need to know
what you think...
My .05 as per usual...
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
From: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Vans has just issued a service bulletin to be compled with BEFORE next
flight on all RVs. Go to there web site and check it out...
Scott
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| Subject: | Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bud Newhall <RV-6@comcast.net>
I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to
comply due to insurance issues.
It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I
expected.
Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the
threads.
There's plenty of meat there.
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| Subject: | Chill on the fuel tank SB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> This takes the cake! Out of 4500+ RV flying, ONE guy has a
> loosened bulkhead nut that was more than likely caused by
> improper installation, so now we all get to rip into our
> tanks... If there is more to this story, Van's should tell
> us, but to ground the whole fleet on this one instance,
> involving thousands of man hours of labor is simply
> preposterous, if not downright stupid.
> Even the FAA wouldn't be this dumb. Someone at Van's has
> overeacted to the extreme, probably due to a hyperactive lawyer...
I would suggest we all take a chill on this. No one HAS to do anything,
these are experimental aircraft. Talk to the manufacturer of your airplane
(look in the mirror for most of us), and decide what action you should take.
If you don't like the bulletin from Van's, write the bulletin that you would
have liked to see from Van's, print it out, and then decide what to do.
Make some sort of entry into your logbook if you like. I happened to use
proseal all over the fittings in question, so I will take no further action.
If I had a quick build, I probably would have a look, since I wouldn't know
diddly about what is inside.
Van's Aircraft is far and away the leader in this industry, and anyone who
has flown one of their designs knows that these airplanes are really, really
hard to beat from many angles. The very fact that Van and his company have
been successful means that they need to be very careful to protect that
valuable asset. It only takes one greedy surviving spouse teamed up with a
lawyer to clean it out. Facts don't necessarily come into play in these
situations, only CYA activities and jurors who don't know which end of an
airplane makes the noise. Here's how it goes: plane crashes due to fuel
starvation, lawyer trolls the web, finds a bulletin stating "Van's
recommends that sometime in the next 2 years you might want to have a look
at this fuel line thing", and boom, done, no more Van's. Come on, this is a
no brainer that Van's would put it the way they did, I'd do the exact same
thing.
My own selfish reason that I want Van's to continue to succeed so that I'll
have a another project for retirement.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 719 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
OK - I almost give up......
I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around I am getting
referred to a page that they didn't include....
I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the lower foreward
outboard corners....from what I can see on the other drawings it appears
to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage sides and about an inch
back from the firewall. Can someone look at their drawing 28 and tell me what
the distances are relative to what - please!
I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides to the
fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough to not worry
about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the fuel tank to the side
of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings were different - but I
don't recall how.
Thanks loads,
Ralph Capen
RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go.....
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| Subject: | i39 Flyin Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Man, there were sure a lot of people who stayed up late last night and did
the voluntary (I refuse to use mandatory) safety wire thing. At first I was
wondering if that was in fact the case.
I woke up at 5:00AM to get the truck packed and in order to get to the
airport. When I walked outside the wind gust and light, very light, rain
surprised me. So be it, the flyin was on nothing I could do about the
weather. Off I go the airport. Elaine got there about the same time as I
and fired up the coffee (man, was it ever coffee:-). At about 10AM, when
the ramp is usually almost full, we only had about 12 SB compliant (or maybe
reckless.....oh, my) RV'ers after 4-5 had already come and gone. At about
this time Rat Flight of 10 (Ohio Valley & TeamRV) with two who got in early
arrived and performed three very nice formation flybys. At about this time
we had more arrivals than departure. The weather south and north east of us
had people coming and going on a regular basis. In addition the winds were
pretty much cross wind at 12-19 gusting to 23knts. With that said we had 52
arrivals prior to the door prizes with two arrivals post door prizes. The
past two years we have pushed 100 RVs so the turnout was definitely off, but
expected. We still put a lot of RV's in one place at one time. It was
great to see everyone again and look forward to our no frills, free coffee,
free donuts, free pop, free water, free Hooter's
wings................Kickoff Flyin. As a side note, the first person here
today DROVE from St. Louis just to see RV's. That shows the passion!!
Man, I am still amazed as just how many people stayed up all night and fixed
sonething on there airplanes. The thought of the day, over 4000 RVs flying
multiplied by the number of flight hours X the number of flight hours flown
post 3.5 gallons remaining X Common Sense..................
Anyway, we had another great time, hope all who attended did also.
Same time next year.........the last Saturday of February.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
Ralph,
I share your frustration, since I am a 6A builder and looking at 7A
firewall forward prints. But , if I compare my original fuel line,
brake line, vent line plans to the ones from the 7A, I feel a lot
better. The 7A drawings actually show things in detail with isometric
views. Wow, so thats how you route and mount all that plumbing!
Don't give up! It is only a vent line fitting hole! :-)
From the 7 preview plans: Sheet 28 only points to a pre-punched rivet
hole in the floor pan (third in from the outside edge) with a note to
enlarge it to 7/16" for a vent line fitting. What is missing.......the
location of the pre-punched hole of course. Same story for the side
fuselage vent line location. (FYI, the location of the vent line exit
from the tank is different between the 6 and 7 drawings, so the fuselage
side penetration is probably different too.)
Here is where I put my vent lines.
Floor pan: almost exactly where you guessed. Approx. 3..5 inches in
from the side skin, and 1 inch aft of the firewall rivet line.
Side skin: forward of the tank to fuselage attach bracket.
Let me know if you need a better explanation. I can send you some photos.
Steve
RV-6A, with a few 7 parts attached
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> OK - I almost give up......
>
> I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around I am
getting referred to a page that they didn't include....
>
> I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the lower
foreward outboard corners....from what I can see on the other drawings it appears
to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage sides and about an inch
back from the firewall. Can someone look at their drawing 28 and tell me what
the distances are relative to what - please!
>
> I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides to the
fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough to not worry
about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the fuel tank to the
side of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings were different - but
I don't recall how.
>
> Thanks loads,
> Ralph Capen
> RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | i39 Flyin Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Real quick, missed out mentioning our door prized sponsors:
AnyWhere Map
Cleveland Tool
Van's Aircraft
Kitlog Pro
Flightline Interior
????Carbon fiber 8 access door....really cool
Last but not least, went for a ride (got to do clear air turbulance) in Mike
Stewart's Super 8........GEEZ I need a Super 7!!!!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 02/25/2006 4:35:38 PM Central Standard Time, dreel@cox.net
writes:
Why safety only this one?
>>>
My thoughts exactly. Gee- ain't the fuel lines FWF the same thing? Losing a
tank pickup absolutely SHOULD be a non-event, unless undiestains are
considered. You lose a fitting at the carb, fuel pump, fuel pressure line or bulkhead
fitting and................
(Uh oh- will have to check Van's website tomorrow to see if there are some
more MSBs posted)
I know a couple of good, decent lawyers, but also a $hitload of 'em that
would sell their grandmothers for a buck (or several million, if at all possible)-
what a sorry comment on our society that Vans had to resort to this pitiful
action. We haven't heard from the insurance folks yet- J.T. are you
listening? Sure would appreciate your take on this (at your leisure and after
you get
out of conference with the attorneys!)
Do not archive - Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Air Compressor Repair Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" <brett.morawski@buckeye-express.com>
Every HF electric tool I've ever bought has come with spare brushes. No
other tool company I've ever bought from has needed to include extra
brushes, so I've always assumed HF motors are junk. I don't know jack about
electric motors or capacitors, but if its from HF I'd check those brushes.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:24 AM
Subject: RV-List: Air Compressor Repair Help
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
I purchased a 5hp, 26 gallon air compressor from Harbor Freight. It worked
well for a year, but now will barely turnover and will not develop full rpm
and, therefore, will not compress air. A friend of mine tells me the
compressor is trying to start using "run" current. I've checked the
circuit breaker and the centrifugal clutch switch that triggers the start
vs. run circuit. They both check out fine. The oil level is correct and
the compressor cylinder appears fine. I have removed the start capacitor,
but haven't had any luck finding a replacement.
Three questions:
Has anyone else solved a similar problem and, if so, how?
Does anyone know where I can get an air compressor start capacitor?
If I have to change the entire motor, is there a cheap (cheaper than
buying another compressor) place to buy one?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ted
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Cc: <stevea@svpal.org>
| Subject: | Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Steve,
I'll take the photos - please.
Also, what is the distance from the main spar to the tank/fuse attach
bracket? I haven't put my wings on yet - I'll probably have to wait till
then to do the side vent holes.....I would like to put it forward so I won't
have to go around the vertical support inside....
Thanks,
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Allison" <stevea@svpal.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I share your frustration, since I am a 6A builder and looking at 7A
> firewall forward prints. But , if I compare my original fuel line,
> brake line, vent line plans to the ones from the 7A, I feel a lot
> better. The 7A drawings actually show things in detail with isometric
> views. Wow, so thats how you route and mount all that plumbing!
> Don't give up! It is only a vent line fitting hole! :-)
>
> From the 7 preview plans: Sheet 28 only points to a pre-punched rivet
> hole in the floor pan (third in from the outside edge) with a note to
> enlarge it to 7/16" for a vent line fitting. What is missing.......the
> location of the pre-punched hole of course. Same story for the side
> fuselage vent line location. (FYI, the location of the vent line exit
> from the tank is different between the 6 and 7 drawings, so the fuselage
> side penetration is probably different too.)
>
> Here is where I put my vent lines.
> Floor pan: almost exactly where you guessed. Approx. 3..5 inches in
> from the side skin, and 1 inch aft of the firewall rivet line.
> Side skin: forward of the tank to fuselage attach bracket.
>
> Let me know if you need a better explanation. I can send you some photos.
>
> Steve
> RV-6A, with a few 7 parts attached
>
>
> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>> OK - I almost give up......
>>
>> I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around
>> I am getting referred to a page that they didn't include....
>>
>> I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the
>> lower foreward outboard corners....from what I can see on the other
>> drawings it appears to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage
>> sides and about an inch back from the firewall. Can someone look at
>> their drawing 28 and tell me what the distances are relative to what -
>> please!
>>
>> I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides
>> to the fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough
>> to not worry about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the
>> fuel tank to the side of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings
>> were different - but I don't recall how.
>>
>> Thanks loads,
>> Ralph Capen
>> RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "AD" |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tailgummer@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2006 3:18:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
n1cxo320@salidaco.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I finally managed to download the service bulletin...can't figure out how
you'd drill a hole through the coupling nut, then thread it on tightly without
the safety wire getting involved iand jammed up in the threads...what am I
missing?
You might consider a drill jig like this:
_https://www.averytools.com/cart/pc-490-28-style-2-safety-wire-drill-jigs.aspx_
(https://www.averytools.com/cart/pc-490-28-style-2-safety-wire-drill-jigs.aspx) . Use a drill press, lots
of lube (Boelube) "peck" a little at a time and it works wonderfully. This
avoids the threads and does the job. I'd practice on a "throw-away" piece
first to get the hang of it.
Just finished complying with the SB and this worked quite well.
_Tailgummer@aol.com_
(mailto:Tailgummer@aol.com)
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