---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/25/06: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:28 AM - Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Dana Overall) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Robert E. Lynch) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 4. 07:52 AM - Fuel Tank Bulletin (Edwardoconnor) 5. 08:22 AM - Fuel tank bulletin (Stephen J. Soule) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (N901DT) 7. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Kyle Boatright) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin (JOHN STARN) 9. 08:49 AM - Re: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ (Tim Bryan) 10. 09:44 AM - Re: Memorial plane, Please read (Jeff Dowling) 11. 10:12 AM - Re: Remember Von Alexander? (HCRV6@comcast.net) 12. 10:27 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Mickey Coggins) 13. 10:33 AM - Arlington (HCRV6@comcast.net) 14. 10:38 AM - tank paint protector (Evan and Megan Johnson) 15. 10:50 AM - Re: tank paint protector (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 16. 10:51 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Bulletin (Jeff Dowling) 17. 11:48 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol) 18. 12:29 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Stephen J. Soule) 19. 12:29 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB (Fred Stucklen) 20. 12:29 PM - Re: Vans wingtip nav antenna (Jekyll) 21. 12:30 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ken & Terri Howell) 22. 12:57 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Mickey Coggins) 23. 01:00 PM - Re: tank paint protector (Evan and Megan Johnson) 24. 01:19 PM - Re: tank paint protector (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 25. 01:24 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Paul Trotter) 26. 01:52 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ed Anderson) 27. 02:34 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (DAVID REEL) 28. 02:50 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (RV6 Flyer) 29. 02:52 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Richard Seiders) 30. 02:53 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Kyle Boatright) 31. 02:55 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Darrell Reiley) 32. 03:06 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol) 33. 03:10 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Ed Anderson) 34. 03:17 PM - Fuel Tank "AD" (John Fasching) 35. 03:27 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (D.Bristol) 36. 03:40 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Paul Trotter) 37. 03:58 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (Charlie England) 38. 04:08 PM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Charlie England) 39. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 40. 04:46 PM - Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Bud Newhall) 41. 05:13 PM - Chill on the fuel tank SB (Alex Peterson) 42. 05:22 PM - Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Ralph E. Capen) 43. 05:23 PM - i39 Flyin Report (Dana Overall) 44. 07:09 PM - Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Steve Allison) 45. 07:09 PM - Re: i39 Flyin Report (Dana Overall) 46. 07:28 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 47. 07:51 PM - Re: Air Compressor Repair Help (Brett Morawski) 48. 08:24 PM - Re: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 (Ralph E. Capen) 49. 09:39 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "AD" (Tailgummer@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:02 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental designer, that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube coming off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane is YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then switch to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out to 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land. Cutting it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off the bridge just because they built it:-) Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the flyin........course we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all cost RV'ers:-) Foor goodness sake do not archive Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:09 AM PST US From: "Robert E. Lynch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Compressor Repair Help --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" Ted. Give me a call at 573 893 2291 at around 9am cst. I can help you trouble shoot the compressor. Bob Lynch Jeff City, Mo. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:07 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Dana, I agree! When installing the anti-rotation blocks on my RV6-A I used a liberal amount of Proseal on the fitting.....better than safety wire. That tube isn't coming lose in my RV!! Tom in Ohio (362-CT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:20 AM Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental > designer, > that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube > coming > off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane > is > YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their > butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes > falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then > switch > to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to > be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out > to > 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land. > Cutting > it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off > the > bridge just because they built it:-) > > Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the > flyin........course > we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all > cost RV'ers:-) > > > Foor goodness sake do not archive > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:10 AM PST US From: Edwardoconnor Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun. I like the bore scope idea. I know they make one that could be used considering where I have seen them placed in the human body. It could fit through the tank drain hole and inspect the AN fittings. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:20 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Hello, This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the wing? I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job. Steve Soule Highgate, Vermont N227RV, RV-6A Fuel tank bulletin Hello, This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the wing? I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job. Steve Soule Highgate, Vermont N227RV, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:39 AM PST US From: "N901DT" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ --> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" I agree that we can legally fly. My concern is with the insurance company if the unlikely happens. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:20 AM Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental > designer, > that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube > coming > off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane > is > YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their > butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes > falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then > switch > to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to > be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out > to > 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land. > Cutting > it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off > the > bridge just because they built it:-) > > Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the > flyin........course > we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all > cost RV'ers:-) > > > Foor goodness sake do not archive > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:48 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Soule" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > > Hello, > > This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. According to the service bulletin, you don't need to remove the tanks. Of course, trying to remove those screws, etc. in the 3" (?) gap between the fuselage and wing tanks ain't gonna be fun or easy. KB >Does anyone have advice > about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see > the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line > between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint > has > wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the > wing? > > I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. > I > had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I > don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job. > > Steve Soule > Highgate, Vermont > N227RV, RV-6A > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:24 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin Cc: "rocket-list" --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" At last the sound of common sense & reason in a sea of mass hysteria. Now this is something that can be done for YOUR own protection. We'll do both BUT a look see via the drain hole will work until we get ALL the stuff on hand, in the hanger to do the complete job Van has requested. Pro Seal, gasket material, new screws anyone ??? 8*) KABONG HRII N561FS ''I like the bore scope idea. I know they make one that could be used considering where I have seen them placed in the human body. It could fit through the tank drain hole and inspect the AN fittings." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwardoconnor" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor > > I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to > cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now > it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I > am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The > idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and > reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and > sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:04 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Why couldn't one take other measures? Use a bore scope to inspect, etc. and log that in the books. As the builder, you should be able to cover it rather than just ignore it. Tim -------Original Message------- From: N901DT Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ --> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" I agree that we can legally fly. My concern is with the insurance company if the unlikely happens. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:20 AM Subject: RV-List: Van's fuel tank service bulletin-Grounding GEEZ > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Sorry, I've got to chime in here. It is a SB from an experimental > designer, > that is all. There obviously have been a couple instances of a tube > coming > off..........you have another tank. To immediately ground YOUR airplane > is > YOUR decision just as it was Van's decision to issue the SB to cover their > butts. Opinion only, what is the world are the chances of both tubes > falling off on the same flight.........fly off one to within 3.5 then > switch > to the other.....land prior to 3.5......let's see, a total of 7 usable (to > be argued) left on board at 10 (for the sake of arguement) that comes out > to > 42 minutes usable (again arguement) with no reserve when you land. > Cutting > it close.....you decide. For goodness sake, you don't have to jump off > the > bridge just because they built it:-) > > Man, I need a cup of coffee after that rant. Off to the > flyin........course > we may only have 1 modified RV and 75 reckless, hair on fire, fly at all > cost RV'ers:-) > > > Foor goodness sake do not archive > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:52 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Memorial plane, Please read --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I have plenty of parts to donate. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 265 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelby alexander" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: RV-List: Memorial plane, Please read > --> RV-List message posted by: kelby alexander > > > Let me clarify my goal and my intentions with this "memorial airplane." I > had a few VERY good ideas given to me (thanks John Jessen). First off, I > am going to focus not on the fact that these pilots have passesd away > doing what they love. But I am going to focus on the love they had for > flying and especially the love they had for RV's. So here is the plan: > > > 1. The plane will be built entirely on donations, and money raised thru > various fund raising events. > > > 2. The plane WILL NOT BE MY PERSONAL PLANE and I will not profit from it > in any way form or shape. > > > 3. Every detail on the plane will be a community effort, paint scheme and > colors, interior, everything will be ran thru this RV list and those who > have donated whatever they can, small or large. > > > 4. When it is finished, it will immediatly be donated to the EAA and be > flown from one chapter to the next. So this would be an EAA plane when it > is finished. > > > 5. It will be built to give the gift of flight to those who do not of > access to a plane. (I grew up in the back of an RV and those are my best > memories). > > > 6. Instead of having the names of the pilots we have lost, the plane will > travel with a book with every RV-ers flight stories, experiences and > advice to Young Eagles. And as it travels around it will gain more and > more experiences and stories. > > > I mentioned one way this will be paid for are Custom Flight Suits that my > family and I are making, I have had good interest in them so far. They > will have your name embrordered on the left chest, the date of your first > flight and the model (RV-6-8-9 etc..) on the right hand sideand your tail > number on the back.We can also put 2 patches from Vans, and if you wish > aLycoming patch as well.They will be VERY nice and very high quality. they > can come in Navy Blue, Kahki, Olive Green or Black with any color of > embrodery. Each one will cost my family and I $90.00 so anything over $90 > will go towards the cost of the plane. Please email me if you would like > to order one for you or a friend. The $90.00 includes shipping. > > > So I really hope this idea gets a good response. Please let me know what > you guys think and give me your ideas and feedback. And like I said this > will be paid for by donations. So email me if you would like to donate > towards this project, I have a SEPERATE bank account set up and SEPERATE > pay-pal account set up for this. I will keep you guys up to date on the > progress, but our first step is a set of tools (That will be donated to > The Young Eagles as well) I figure between $1,200-$1,500. Then we will > purchase the tail kit, as soon......So email me if you would like to > donate, not only money buttools, avionics, radios, a hanger spaceto build > it in. Even something as small as a little bag of rivets would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Thank you guys very much for your time. > > > Fight the power! BlazeMail.com > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:14 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Remember Von Alexander? --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net Thanks Jerry, somehow I had gotten the date for Arlington wrong. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 185 hours -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jerry Springer > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net > > > >Kelby, have you considered that July 1st, Saturday, is right in the middle of > the Arlington fly-in? > > > >-- > >Harry Crosby > >RV-6 N16CX, 183 hours > > > > > > > Actually it is not, it starts on the 5th. > > Jerry > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:34 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > According to the service bulletin, you don't need to remove the tanks. Of > course, trying to remove those screws, etc. in the 3" (?) gap between the > fuselage and wing tanks ain't gonna be fun or easy. Do yourself a favor, and get some torx screws from microfasteners. You only need an inch to get them off. Of course, allen screws would work just as well. I've got pics here, if you are interested in what they look like. http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004082222240152 -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:56 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: RV-List: Arlington --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net Kelby and all, sorry for any confusion I caused on dates for Arlington. I was wrong, Arlington is July 5th through the 9th according to the website. No conflict with Kelby's plan for July 1. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 185 hours ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:07 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: RV-List: tank paint protector --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" I was looking for a way to protect the fuel tanks from gas spill when pumping and found this in motorcycle world. Looks like a good, cheap and light way to protect that expensive paint job. Anybody using one of these already? Comments? Link below: http://goldwingcustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=3D6&Category_ID=3D25&manufacturer_ID=3D340&product_ID=3D11693 Cheers... Evan Johnson www.evansaviationproducts.com (530)247-0375 (530)351-1776 cell ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:42 AM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: tank paint protector --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Evan, please double check this link.....it does not work for me. Thanks, Doug RV-7 N731RV DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:43 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" 2 boroscopes http://da.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 265 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwardoconnor" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank Bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: Edwardoconnor > > I installed Van's Capacitance fuel quanity system and elected not to > cut the access hole in the root ribs since they were not necessary. Now > it looks like I will have to remove the tank to comply with this and I > am just days from first flight. Bummer. May wait a while to comply. The > idea of removing the tanks and cracking that brand new paint job and > reprosealing after all of this and making a tank access plate and > sealing it up just doesn't sound like any fun. I like the bore scope > idea. I know they make one that could be used considering where I have > seen them placed in the human body. It could fit through the tank drain > hole and inspect the AN fittings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:42 AM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than painted screws, and are much more serviceable. BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one. Dave -6 So Cal Stephen J. Soule wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > >Hello, > >This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice >about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see >the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line >between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has >wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the >wing? > >I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I >had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I >don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job. > >Steve Soule >Highgate, Vermont >N227RV, RV-6A > > > > > >Fuel tank bulletin > > >Hello, > > >This bulletin requires removal of the fuel tanks. Does anyone have advice about how to remove wing tanks after the plane has been painted? I can see the need to scribe the skin overlap area to break cleanly the paint line between the wing skin and the tank skin, but can't we expect that paint has wicked into and under the skin, thus effectively gluing the tank to the wing? > > >I would appreciate any advice for those who have removed their fuel tanks. I had mine off before the plane was painted and it wasn't too hard, but I don't want to make a mess of my nice new paint job. > > >Steve Soule > >Highgate, Vermont > >N227RV, RV-6A > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:42 PM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Dave, I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that even when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the tank apart from the wing. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than painted screws, and are much more serviceable. BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:42 PM PST US From: "Fred Stucklen" Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel Tank SB --> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Stucklen" I tend to agree with the fact that this service bulletin is a bit harsh. Lets see, I put over 2000Hrs on the first RV-6A (and it's been flying for another 3.5 Years) and 525 Hrs on this one. Neither has had a pickup come off ( I must have properly torqued & flared them..) And if this is indeed an issue with flare nuts, then I must assume that all others need to be safety wired as well. Funny, the standard FAA repair manual doesn't suggest this action..... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley A properly torqued flare nut will not come loose. Lock it down and be done. There are some good instructions on this Thread on the Vansairforce.net for drilling if you wish to punish yourself. Darrell -- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:42 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Vans wingtip nav antenna From: "Jekyll" --> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com wrote: > It doesn't really matter - orient it whatever way fits best. The > lateral vs. longitudinal direction can't matter, or else performance > would depend on the direction you are flying :-) Dennis Glaeser > Dennis: Thanks for knocking that dunce cap right down over my ears where it belongs. My ears have been getting a bit drafty lately. [Embarassed] Jekyll Duh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14960#14960 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:33 PM PST US From: "Ken & Terri Howell" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Ken & Terri Howell" I haven't built my tanks yet, so shouldn't have a problem complying with this SB. But I do have a question. Step 16 of the SB says to check the AN818-4D vent line coupling for proper torque before reinstalling the T-408 cover plate. That's no guarantee that it's not going to fall off in the future. I plan on buttering the vent line coupling nut with Proseal after it has been torqued. The question is, how good would Proseal be for "locking" the coupling nut, or should some other kind of fuel-resistant Loctite be used? Ken Howell Glenwood Maryland RV-7 Wings ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:43 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > ... Step 16 of the SB says to check the > AN818-4D vent line coupling for proper torque before reinstalling the T-408 > cover plate. That's no guarantee that it's not going to fall off in the > future. I plan on buttering the vent line coupling nut with Proseal after it > has been torqued. The question is, how good would Proseal be for "locking" > the coupling nut, or should some other kind of fuel-resistant Loctite be > used? It seems like proseal would keep a nut on, but I'm not sure I see the need to do this to the fuel tank vent line. In the very unlikely even that it comes off, it might be annoying, but it should not ruin your whole day. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:23 PM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: tank paint protector --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" here's another one for the same product. http://www.thetankbib.com/ Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: tank paint protector > --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com > > Evan, please double check this link.....it does not work for me. > Thanks, > Doug > RV-7 N731RV > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:37 PM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: tank paint protector --> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com In a message dated 2/25/2006 3:01:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, evmeg@snowcrest.net writes: http://www.thetankbib.com/ That may help. What I have used for the last 40 years is a rubber shower mat with a hole cut in it. Helps avoid scratches around the filler also. Would be nice if we could purchase that product materiel and size it for A/C. I might make a stop at the local Harley shop. Thanks Regards, Doug DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:45 PM PST US From: Paul Trotter Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the flop tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what others find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet. Do Not Archive Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.Bristol" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > > Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and > used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after > they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than > painted screws, and are much more serviceable. > BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with > the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one. > > Dave -6 So Cal > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:35 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Trotter" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter > > I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I > mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the > flop > tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what > others > find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet. > > Do Not Archive > > Paul > I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank off is going to be easier. Ed ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:11 PM PST US From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this one? Dave Reel - RV8A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:17 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" These are the only fittings that CANNOT be inspected during a normal condition inspection. There was ONE know ACCIDENT from this connection being loose. Van knows more about RV airplanes that I do. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,841 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this one? Dave Reel - RV8A ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:18 PM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders Probably because it's one we don't have easy access to, or even see when changing oil etc. I like to put a wrench on the available nuts each time the cowl, wing root fairings, wheel pants etc are off. Makes me feel better. Dick RV6A 400hrs At 05:32 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" > >There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only >this one? > >Dave Reel - RV8A > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:11 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Trotter" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter >> >> I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I >> mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the >> flop >> tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what >> others >> find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet. >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> Paul >> > I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and > unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I > don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess > you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank > off > is going to be easier. > > Ed > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley It's the only connection that Van's attorney is concerned with at this time. ;-) Darrell DAVID REEL wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" There are a lot of flared tubing connections on an RV. Why safety only this one? Dave Reel - RV8A --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:38 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Maybe that was on a -7. On my -6 there isn't enough room to get your hand between the wing and fuselage, let alone enough to reach inside the tank to break the proseal loose on the flop tube. Anyway, on my airplane, it's easy to remove the tanks, draining them is the hard part - wait - I could just FLY the fuel out! Dave Paul Trotter wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter > >I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I >mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the flop >tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:45 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the > drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the > access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank. > I think that applies to the normal tank pick-up, but the flop tube is not attached to anything other than its fitting (otherwise, it could not flop). Ed Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:16 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Fuel Tank "AD" --> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" I finally managed to download the service bulletin...can't figure out how you'd drill a hole through the coupling nut, then thread it on tightly without the safety wire getting involved iand jammed up in the threads...what am I missing? ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:44 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Steve, Just use a razor blade along the edge of the tank. The paint will not have run under the edge enough to cause it to stick unless the painter REALLY loaded it up with wet paint. Dave Stephen J. Soule wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > >Dave, > >I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that even >when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with >paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the tank >apart from the wing. > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > >Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and >used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after >they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than >painted screws, and are much more serviceable. >BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with >the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:29 PM PST US From: Paul Trotter Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter You don't take the flare nut off. You remove the entire assembly including the bulkhead fitting by removing the nut on the outside of the tank and breaking the proseal loose. Then you fix the assembly outside the tank and reinstall it with new proseal. The only issue I can see is how hard it is to break lose the proseal since there is limited movement in the bulkhead fitting if you put an anti-rotation bracket in. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Trotter" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter >> >> I was speaking to Scott at Van's yesterday about something else and I >> mentioned the SB. He said he watched one of the guys there remove the >> flop >> tube from a tank on the wing and it wasn't difficult. We'll see what >> others >> find. Fortunately my wings are not installed yet. >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> Paul >> > I can see possibly getting the access plate off and reaching in and > unscrewing the flare nut (not without a lot of contortion though), but I > don't see how it would be possible to safety wire the flare nut - I guess > you could by touch an feel, but in the long run, I think taking the tank > off > is going to be easier. > > Ed > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:47 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Kyle Boatright wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > >It has been a long time since I built my tanks, but my memory (and the >drawing in the Service Bulletin) show the pick-up being attached to the >access plate, so you won't need to safety anything inside the tank. > There may be some confusion about the 'reach' required because of the difference between standard & flop tube pickups. I don't know for sure about the -6, but the -7 has the flop tube installed on a fitting through the leading edge reinforcement angle. That's a pretty long reach & would mean getting your elbow between the fuse & wing, turning into the tank, then turning again toward the leading edge & reaching forward to the leading edge to do your tightening & safety wiring. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:55 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Compressor Repair Help --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Ted Lumpkin wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin > >I purchased a 5hp, 26 gallon air compressor from Harbor Freight. It worked well for a year, but now will barely turnover and will not develop full rpm and, therefore, will not compress air. A friend of mine tells me the compressor is trying to start using "run" current. I've checked the circuit breaker and the centrifugal clutch switch that triggers the start vs. run circuit. They both check out fine. The oil level is correct and the compressor cylinder appears fine. I have removed the start capacitor, but haven't had any luck finding a replacement. > > Three questions: > > Has anyone else solved a similar problem and, if so, how? > > Does anyone know where I can get an air compressor start capacitor? > > If I have to change the entire motor, is there a cheap (cheaper than buying another compressor) place to buy one? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ted > Most electronic supply houses & just about any heating & air conditioning supply house should have a replacement that will work. Take the old one with you & find one with equal or higher voltage rating & uFD rating that's somewhere close to the value on your old one. If you go to an electronics house, be sure they understand that it's for AC operation, not DC. I think that HF sells motors, too. Charlie ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:34 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB CC: cliffgerber@comcast.net, GStorey826@aol.com, Sherry@bobsherryhaan.com, lakauf@comcast.net --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com _http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-2-23.pdf_ (http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-2-23.pdf) This takes the cake! Out of 4500+ RV flying, ONE guy has a loosened bulkhead nut that was more than likely caused by improper installation, so now we all get to rip into our tanks... If there is more to this story, Van's should tell us, but to ground the whole fleet on this one instance, involving thousands of man hours of labor is simply preposterous, if not downright stupid. Even the FAA wouldn't be this dumb. Someone at Van's has overeacted to the extreme, probably due to a hyperactive lawyer... I wonder if certified aircraft must have safetied fuel bulkhead nuts? If this is so, then I guess we better remove all our fuel lines and safety them also. How about in the engine compartment where it would cause a fire, rather than this one which *only* turns you into a glider with a chance to switch tanks? Any A&P's on this board know the answer if certified ships have this mod in their tanks? I agree with the guy who says ring Van's phones off the hooks Monday starting around 7a.m.... Not to mention a couple thou emails... They need to know what you think... My .05 as per usual... Jerry Cochran Wilsonville, OR From: "james frierson" Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" Vans has just issued a service bulletin to be compled with BEFORE next flight on all RVs. Go to there web site and check it out... Scott ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:11 PM PST US From: Bud Newhall Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: Bud Newhall I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to comply due to insurance issues. It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I expected. Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the threads. There's plenty of meat there. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:31 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RV-List: Chill on the fuel tank SB --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > This takes the cake! Out of 4500+ RV flying, ONE guy has a > loosened bulkhead nut that was more than likely caused by > improper installation, so now we all get to rip into our > tanks... If there is more to this story, Van's should tell > us, but to ground the whole fleet on this one instance, > involving thousands of man hours of labor is simply > preposterous, if not downright stupid. > Even the FAA wouldn't be this dumb. Someone at Van's has > overeacted to the extreme, probably due to a hyperactive lawyer... I would suggest we all take a chill on this. No one HAS to do anything, these are experimental aircraft. Talk to the manufacturer of your airplane (look in the mirror for most of us), and decide what action you should take. If you don't like the bulletin from Van's, write the bulletin that you would have liked to see from Van's, print it out, and then decide what to do. Make some sort of entry into your logbook if you like. I happened to use proseal all over the fittings in question, so I will take no further action. If I had a quick build, I probably would have a look, since I wouldn't know diddly about what is inside. Van's Aircraft is far and away the leader in this industry, and anyone who has flown one of their designs knows that these airplanes are really, really hard to beat from many angles. The very fact that Van and his company have been successful means that they need to be very careful to protect that valuable asset. It only takes one greedy surviving spouse teamed up with a lawyer to clean it out. Facts don't necessarily come into play in these situations, only CYA activities and jurors who don't know which end of an airplane makes the noise. Here's how it goes: plane crashes due to fuel starvation, lawyer trolls the web, finds a bulletin stating "Van's recommends that sometime in the next 2 years you might want to have a look at this fuel line thing", and boom, done, no more Van's. Come on, this is a no brainer that Van's would put it the way they did, I'd do the exact same thing. My own selfish reason that I want Van's to continue to succeed so that I'll have a another project for retirement. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 719 hours Maple Grove, MN do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:20 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" OK - I almost give up...... I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around I am getting referred to a page that they didn't include.... I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the lower foreward outboard corners....from what I can see on the other drawings it appears to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage sides and about an inch back from the firewall. Can someone look at their drawing 28 and tell me what the distances are relative to what - please! I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides to the fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough to not worry about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the fuel tank to the side of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings were different - but I don't recall how. Thanks loads, Ralph Capen RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go..... ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:07 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: i39 Flyin Report --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Man, there were sure a lot of people who stayed up late last night and did the voluntary (I refuse to use mandatory) safety wire thing. At first I was wondering if that was in fact the case. I woke up at 5:00AM to get the truck packed and in order to get to the airport. When I walked outside the wind gust and light, very light, rain surprised me. So be it, the flyin was on nothing I could do about the weather. Off I go the airport. Elaine got there about the same time as I and fired up the coffee (man, was it ever coffee:-). At about 10AM, when the ramp is usually almost full, we only had about 12 SB compliant (or maybe reckless.....oh, my) RV'ers after 4-5 had already come and gone. At about this time Rat Flight of 10 (Ohio Valley & TeamRV) with two who got in early arrived and performed three very nice formation flybys. At about this time we had more arrivals than departure. The weather south and north east of us had people coming and going on a regular basis. In addition the winds were pretty much cross wind at 12-19 gusting to 23knts. With that said we had 52 arrivals prior to the door prizes with two arrivals post door prizes. The past two years we have pushed 100 RVs so the turnout was definitely off, but expected. We still put a lot of RV's in one place at one time. It was great to see everyone again and look forward to our no frills, free coffee, free donuts, free pop, free water, free Hooter's wings................Kickoff Flyin. As a side note, the first person here today DROVE from St. Louis just to see RV's. That shows the passion!! Man, I am still amazed as just how many people stayed up all night and fixed sonething on there airplanes. The thought of the day, over 4000 RVs flying multiplied by the number of flight hours X the number of flight hours flown post 3.5 gallons remaining X Common Sense.................. Anyway, we had another great time, hope all who attended did also. Same time next year.........the last Saturday of February. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:40 PM PST US From: Steve Allison Subject: Re: RV-List: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison Ralph, I share your frustration, since I am a 6A builder and looking at 7A firewall forward prints. But , if I compare my original fuel line, brake line, vent line plans to the ones from the 7A, I feel a lot better. The 7A drawings actually show things in detail with isometric views. Wow, so thats how you route and mount all that plumbing! Don't give up! It is only a vent line fitting hole! :-) From the 7 preview plans: Sheet 28 only points to a pre-punched rivet hole in the floor pan (third in from the outside edge) with a note to enlarge it to 7/16" for a vent line fitting. What is missing.......the location of the pre-punched hole of course. Same story for the side fuselage vent line location. (FYI, the location of the vent line exit from the tank is different between the 6 and 7 drawings, so the fuselage side penetration is probably different too.) Here is where I put my vent lines. Floor pan: almost exactly where you guessed. Approx. 3..5 inches in from the side skin, and 1 inch aft of the firewall rivet line. Side skin: forward of the tank to fuselage attach bracket. Let me know if you need a better explanation. I can send you some photos. Steve RV-6A, with a few 7 parts attached Ralph E. Capen wrote: > OK - I almost give up...... > > I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around I am getting referred to a page that they didn't include.... > > I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the lower foreward outboard corners....from what I can see on the other drawings it appears to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage sides and about an inch back from the firewall. Can someone look at their drawing 28 and tell me what the distances are relative to what - please! > > I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides to the fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough to not worry about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the fuel tank to the side of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings were different - but I don't recall how. > > Thanks loads, > Ralph Capen > RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go..... > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:40 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: i39 Flyin Report --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Real quick, missed out mentioning our door prized sponsors: AnyWhere Map Cleveland Tool Van's Aircraft Kitlog Pro Flightline Interior ????Carbon fiber 8 access door....really cool Last but not least, went for a ride (got to do clear air turbulance) in Mike Stewart's Super 8........GEEZ I need a Super 7!!!!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit do not archive ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:00 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 02/25/2006 4:35:38 PM Central Standard Time, dreel@cox.net writes: Why safety only this one? >>> My thoughts exactly. Gee- ain't the fuel lines FWF the same thing? Losing a tank pickup absolutely SHOULD be a non-event, unless undiestains are considered. You lose a fitting at the carb, fuel pump, fuel pressure line or bulkhead fitting and................ (Uh oh- will have to check Van's website tomorrow to see if there are some more MSBs posted) I know a couple of good, decent lawyers, but also a $hitload of 'em that would sell their grandmothers for a buck (or several million, if at all possible)- what a sorry comment on our society that Vans had to resort to this pitiful action. We haven't heard from the insurance folks yet- J.T. are you listening? Sure would appreciate your take on this (at your leisure and after you get out of conference with the attorneys!) Do not archive - Mark Phillips ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:38 PM PST US From: "Brett Morawski" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Compressor Repair Help --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" Every HF electric tool I've ever bought has come with spare brushes. No other tool company I've ever bought from has needed to include extra brushes, so I've always assumed HF motors are junk. I don't know jack about electric motors or capacitors, but if its from HF I'd check those brushes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Lumpkin Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: RV-List: Air Compressor Repair Help --> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin I purchased a 5hp, 26 gallon air compressor from Harbor Freight. It worked well for a year, but now will barely turnover and will not develop full rpm and, therefore, will not compress air. A friend of mine tells me the compressor is trying to start using "run" current. I've checked the circuit breaker and the centrifugal clutch switch that triggers the start vs. run circuit. They both check out fine. The oil level is correct and the compressor cylinder appears fine. I have removed the start capacitor, but haven't had any luck finding a replacement. Three questions: Has anyone else solved a similar problem and, if so, how? Does anyone know where I can get an air compressor start capacitor? If I have to change the entire motor, is there a cheap (cheaper than buying another compressor) place to buy one? Thanks in advance for your help. Ted Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 2:32:50 AM ET - 2/25/2006 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:42 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Cc: Subject: Re: RV-List: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Steve, I'll take the photos - please. Also, what is the distance from the main spar to the tank/fuse attach bracket? I haven't put my wings on yet - I'll probably have to wait till then to do the side vent holes.....I would like to put it forward so I won't have to go around the vertical support inside.... Thanks, Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Allison" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 > --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison > > Ralph, > > I share your frustration, since I am a 6A builder and looking at 7A > firewall forward prints. But , if I compare my original fuel line, > brake line, vent line plans to the ones from the 7A, I feel a lot > better. The 7A drawings actually show things in detail with isometric > views. Wow, so thats how you route and mount all that plumbing! > Don't give up! It is only a vent line fitting hole! :-) > > From the 7 preview plans: Sheet 28 only points to a pre-punched rivet > hole in the floor pan (third in from the outside edge) with a note to > enlarge it to 7/16" for a vent line fitting. What is missing.......the > location of the pre-punched hole of course. Same story for the side > fuselage vent line location. (FYI, the location of the vent line exit > from the tank is different between the 6 and 7 drawings, so the fuselage > side penetration is probably different too.) > > Here is where I put my vent lines. > Floor pan: almost exactly where you guessed. Approx. 3..5 inches in > from the side skin, and 1 inch aft of the firewall rivet line. > Side skin: forward of the tank to fuselage attach bracket. > > Let me know if you need a better explanation. I can send you some photos. > > Steve > RV-6A, with a few 7 parts attached > > > Ralph E. Capen wrote: >> OK - I almost give up...... >> >> I got Vans Firewall foreward documentation......every time I turn around >> I am getting referred to a page that they didn't include.... >> >> I have been referred to RV7 plans dwg 28 for the vent line holes in the >> lower foreward outboard corners....from what I can see on the other >> drawings it appears to be about three inches inboard from the fuselage >> sides and about an inch back from the firewall. Can someone look at >> their drawing 28 and tell me what the distances are relative to what - >> please! >> >> I'm looking for the same info for where the vent lines go out the sides >> to the fuel tank - But I am not sure that the 7 and 6 are similar enough >> to not worry about the bracket that attaches the foreward edge of the >> fuel tank to the side of the fuselage...I remember reading that the wings >> were different - but I don't recall how. >> >> Thanks loads, >> Ralph Capen >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 90% done 90% to go..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:14 PM PST US From: Tailgummer@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank "AD" --> RV-List message posted by: Tailgummer@aol.com In a message dated 2/25/2006 3:18:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, n1cxo320@salidaco.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" I finally managed to download the service bulletin...can't figure out how you'd drill a hole through the coupling nut, then thread it on tightly without the safety wire getting involved iand jammed up in the threads...what am I missing? You might consider a drill jig like this: _https://www.averytools.com/cart/pc-490-28-style-2-safety-wire-drill-jigs.aspx_ (https://www.averytools.com/cart/pc-490-28-style-2-safety-wire-drill-jigs.aspx) . Use a drill press, lots of lube (Boelube) "peck" a little at a time and it works wonderfully. This avoids the threads and does the job. I'd practice on a "throw-away" piece first to get the hang of it. Just finished complying with the SB and this worked quite well. _Tailgummer@aol.com_ (mailto:Tailgummer@aol.com)