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1. 02:56 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) ()
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (LarryRobertHelming)
3. 07:11 AM - Stupid SB (charles heathco)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Steve Glasgow)
5. 08:03 AM - Service variations - Spruce (Nic)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Evan and Megan Johnson)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Stupid SB (Ed Anderson)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Bill VonDane)
9. 08:30 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Steve Glasgow)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Stupid SB (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
11. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Mickey Coggins)
12. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Curt Reimer)
13. 12:26 PM - Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
14. 12:31 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Jeff Dowling)
15. 12:43 PM - Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (LARRY ADAMSON)
16. 12:53 PM - Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (Randy Lervold)
17. 01:49 PM - 1st Flight N716K (Kelly Patterson)
18. 02:21 PM - Floscan and IO/360 (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
19. 03:22 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (Dwight Frye)
20. 03:31 PM - RV-6 slider air leaks (rv6n6r@comcast.net)
21. 03:31 PM - Re: 1st Flight N716K (Darrell Reiley)
22. 05:39 PM - Re: RV-6 slider air leaks (Larygagnon@aol.com)
23. 05:45 PM - I-39 Fly In (Kenneth Ward)
24. 05:51 PM - Fuel cap water protection? (c.ennis)
25. 06:50 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (D.Bristol)
26. 07:19 PM - Super 7 (Dana Overall)
27. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Charlie Kuss)
28. 07:41 PM - Re: Super 7 (Dana Overall)
29. 07:43 PM - Fuel tank bulletin (Don/Marcia Piermattei)
30. 07:53 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (William Gill)
31. 08:11 PM - Re: Super 7 (Chuck)
32. 08:14 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (bdjones1965)
33. 08:19 PM - Re: Super 7 (Dave Nellis)
34. 08:27 PM - Re: Super 7 (Tom Gummo)
35. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (KellyM)
36. 10:55 PM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Dan Checkoway)
37. 10:57 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (G McNutt)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
> I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to
> comply due to insurance issues.
> It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I
> expected.
> Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the
> threads.
> There's plenty of meat there.
Excuse me; but, I'd really like to know how he did it that quickly. Let's
see. One has to gather the stuff to drain the tanks. Drain the tanks. Get
the tools gathered to clean the proseal off the screws, etc. Clean the
proseal off of the screws, etc. to remove the cover plate. Remove the cover
plate. Gather the stuff to fix the problem. Fix the problem. Mix up a
batch of proseal, after cleaning the areas that are to receive the proseal.
Put the plate back on with the proseal. Clean up any messes and put away
the tools. That's if one doesn't have to remove the tanks! Now, tell me
how he did that in 1/2 hour because I see this taking hours to do. I may be
missing something. It's takes me longer than that to clean up and reseal a
leak at the plate, much less removing it and reinstalling it. :-(
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
This a good reason to paint your fuel tanks separately when detached from
the wing. Then mount on the wing after it is painted and use either painted
or unpainted screws.
Indiana Larry, RV7 SunSeeker 90+ hours flying
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Steve,
>
> Just use a razor blade along the edge of the tank. The paint will not
> have run under the edge enough to cause it to stick unless the painter
> REALLY loaded it up with wet paint.
>
> Dave
>
> Stephen J. Soule wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that
>>even
>>when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with
>>paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the
>>tank
>>apart from the wing.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol
>>Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and
>>used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after
>>they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than
>>painted screws, and are much more serviceable.
>>BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with
>>the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB! One,
maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be grounded.
and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came with plenty
of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off?
Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access plate?
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110
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| Subject: | Service variations - Spruce |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Several weeks ago I posted a message concerning the variations in service I
have received whilst building my RV8 and in particular the problems
encountered in ordering a Sigtronics intercom from Aircraft Spruce.
I am pleased to say that soon after my posting the issue was resolved and I
received a personal email message from Jim Irwin (President of Aircraft
Spruce) apologising for the delay.
The Sigtronics intercom is now installed and working well and I appreciate
the help of the list in suggesting alternative suppliers and products as
well as the impetus created to resolve the problem. Jim Irwin made it clear
in his email that Spruce values the custom of RV builders very highly.
Rgds, Nic
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Nope....no solvent will work after it is cured....use a razor blade. There
is supposed to be a gasket between the sender and the access plate...throw
it away and proseal the sender on. That crappy gasket is by far the single
biggest leaker on these tanks. Also put a small smudge of sealant on the
underside of each of the screw heads before you tork them down. It will
squidge out and make a perfect little gasket around the screw head.
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off?
>
> Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408
access plate?
>
> --------
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> Cappy's Toy
> RV-8 N123SG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Charles, I agree you certainly don't have to comply to fly. However, your
insurance company may take a different viewpoint should a mishap befall you
related to this SB.
In my case, there was absolutely no advanced warning. On one flight I
could use down to the last cup of fuel in the tank with the flop tube and
the next flight I could not access the last 3.5 gallons. So there was no
advanced warning (in my case) before it fell off.
However, unless that is your last 3.5 gallons ( not a wise way to fly
{:>)), then you could simply switch fuel tanks - which I stupidly did not do
because I convinced myself that I had 3.5 gallons remaining (I did) and
therefore my problem was a plugged up fuel filter (it was not).
In fact, I was convinced (once I found out it was not a plugged filter) that
my flop tube had simply hung up on something in the tank. It was not until
after several flights where I unsuccessfully attempted to dislodge the "hung
up" flop tube (each time the engine would start to sputter when the fuel
level in that tank reach approx 3.5 gallons) by vigorously rocking the
wings, that I bit the bullet and took off the tank to discover the flop tube
was disconnected (after 160 hours of flight).
FWIW
Ed
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Stupid SB
> --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
>
> What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an
> SB! One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should
> be grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of
> problem came with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was
> disreguarded. Charles Heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't
totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation
bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just
proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it
again...
I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps the
90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off and
the tube from ever falling off...
So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come
loose or fall off?
http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.rv8a.com
www.creativair.com
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off?
Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access
plate?
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Evan. The perfect answer.
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15127#15127
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--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
The warning apparently wasn't disregarded. It was addressed but misdiagnosed and
the subsequent inflight engine restart checklist not followed when there was
all indications time to dig it out and follow it.
Having said that, it boils down to what the insurance company's stand is going
to be for most of us, I'm sure...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco"
>
> What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB!
> One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be
> grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came
> with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco
>
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The warning apparently wasn't disregarded. It was addressed but misdiagnosed and
the subsequentinflight engine restart checklist not followed when there was
all indications time to dig it out and follow it.
Having said that, it boils down to what the insurance company's stand is going
to be for most of us, I'm sure...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "charles heathco" cheathco@junct.com
-- RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <CHEATHCO@JUNCT.COM>
What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB!
One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be
grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came
with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco
oshare, and much much more:
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come
> loose or fall off?
>
> http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg
To me it looks like you're in good shape, Bill.
One side question - the "proseal" on my QB tanks is very
very tough. The "proseal" I got from Van's is about as
strong as RTV. Does anyone know where to get the strong
stuff?
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mts.net>
I can see why this would be a problem with the flop tube but not with all
the other flare nuts - most flare nuts don't have a 1 lb hose flopping
around, attached only at one end. If this were a firewall forward hose it
would be required to be secured with Adel clamps!
>From my perspective, the whole flop tube concept is far more trouble than
it's worth for anyone other than die-hard negative-G aerobatic flyers. When
I rip into my tank to deal with this, my flop tube is coming off and will be
replaced with a solid aluminum pickup tube.
The potential for a hung-up tube, this nut loosening issue, and the
requirement to replace the flop tube periodically add up to too much
maintenance hassle and risk. (There is at least one report in the RVator of
an RV-4 with a fuel pickup problem that was attributed to a flop hose that
had deteriorated and was leaky as a sieve. That time Van's stopped short of
issuing an SB - I wonder what they would do today?)
Curt
RV-6 C-GACR
375 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't
> totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation
> bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just
> proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it
> again...
>
> I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps
> the
> 90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off
> and
> the tube from ever falling off...
>
> So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come
> loose or fall off?
>
> http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A - Colorado
> www.rv8a.com
> www.creativair.com
> www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off?
>
> Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408
> access
> plate?
>
> --------
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> Cappy's Toy
> RV-8 N123SG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Removing Proseal/Tank MSB |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers,
What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on?
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Hey Jim, once you do this the first time, Im sure it will get much quicker.
Sooooo, how about doing ehhhhh, lets say 3 more rvs :)
do not archive
shemp
----- Original Message -----
From: <sears@searnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
> --> RV-List message posted by: <sears@searnet.com>
>
>
>> I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to
>> comply due to insurance issues.
>> It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I
>> expected.
>> Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the
>> threads.
>> There's plenty of meat there.
>
> Excuse me; but, I'd really like to know how he did it that quickly. Let's
> see. One has to gather the stuff to drain the tanks. Drain the tanks.
> Get
> the tools gathered to clean the proseal off the screws, etc. Clean the
> proseal off of the screws, etc. to remove the cover plate. Remove the
> cover
> plate. Gather the stuff to fix the problem. Fix the problem. Mix up a
> batch of proseal, after cleaning the areas that are to receive the
> proseal.
> Put the plate back on with the proseal. Clean up any messes and put away
> the tools. That's if one doesn't have to remove the tanks! Now, tell me
> how he did that in 1/2 hour because I see this taking hours to do. I may
> be
> missing something. It's takes me longer than that to clean up and reseal
> a
> leak at the plate, much less removing it and reinstalling it. :-(
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
> RV-7A #70317
> EAA Tech Counselor
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
I once heard that a plastic butter knife works well.
What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on?
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| Subject: | Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
A sharp putty knife... been there, done that.
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jerry2DT@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: RV-List: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
> Listers,
>
> What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on?
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 1st Flight N716K |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson" <kbob@cox.net>
Hi everyone,
Couldn't wait to let the list know that another RV-6A is airborne. Took
flight from Chandler, AZ this morning for 45 minutes of orbiting the field.
All temps & pressures nominal. No issues to speak of after the flight.
Straight & true with maybe a 1/4 bubble off on the rudder. Put the wheels
pants on and filled the tanks for the 2nd flight. Not today though - I need
a drink!
A big THANK YOU to all of you for your knowledge and expertise in helping me
complete this task. There are too many to list. Can't wait to burn up 40
hours and venture out to see some new friends. Still grinning.
Some specs:
kit # 22372, 2.25 years & 1900 hrs building, 1041 Lb. painted & upholstered,
O-320 w/ Emag & 9.2:1 pistons, sensenich prop, 296 Garmin & pictorial pilot,
VFR night.
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| Subject: | Floscan and IO/360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Hey Folks,
Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for
the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really
good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat,
although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the
divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome.
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Closer & closer...
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| Subject: | Re: Floscan and IO/360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Jerry,
If I remember right (call him to verify) Don at Airflow Performance
recommends mounting it near the flow divider. I figure they have been
in the biz of making things work in the engine compartment long enough
that I'll trust their opinion. Sure saves having to shoe-horn it into
the center tunnel. I intend to find out more details next weekend when
I go down to take their "Fuel Injection 101" class as I'll have the
same issue to deal with eventually.
-- Dwight
On Sun Feb 26 17:18:55 2006, Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote :
>Hey Folks,
>
>Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for
>the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really
>good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat,
>although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the
>divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome.
>
>Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | RV-6 slider air leaks |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net
I have the typical problem of cold air blowing at the back of my neck (and rain
coming in) through the gap where the middle canopy track is on my slider (RV-6).
Keep thinking I'll fix it somehow but I thought first I'd ask for tricks from
the -list.
I've seen the one where you put a UHMW block on a string to fill the gap -- how
well does that work? Any other tricks people have used? I'm thinking just for
the water some kind of diverter inside so at least it doesn't drip down on the
stuff in the baggage compartment.
Randall Henderson
RV-6
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| Subject: | Re: 1st Flight N716K |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Kelly! Way to go...
Darrell
Kelly Patterson <kbob@cox.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson"
Hi everyone,
Couldn't wait to let the list know that another RV-6A is airborne. Took
flight from Chandler, AZ this morning for 45 minutes of orbiting the field.
All temps & pressures nominal. No issues to speak of after the flight.
Straight & true with maybe a 1/4 bubble off on the rudder. Put the wheels
pants on and filled the tanks for the 2nd flight. Not today though - I need
a drink!
A big THANK YOU to all of you for your knowledge and expertise in helping me
complete this task. There are too many to list. Can't wait to burn up 40
hours and venture out to see some new friends. Still grinning.
Some specs:
kit # 22372, 2.25 years & 1900 hrs building, 1041 Lb. painted & upholstered,
O-320 w/ Emag & 9.2:1 pistons, sensenich prop, 296 Garmin & pictorial pilot,
VFR night.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6 slider air leaks |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
I've found the UHMW block works well on my 6 slider. I noticed a big
difference when I had to take it off after I did the Menske tip-up mod, it would
slide off the track at the cut-out and bounce around. I have to find a way to
keep it on and still allow the block to come off at the cutout to tip-up. Any
suggestions from anyone who's got both a sealing block with the tip-up mod?
I've had more leaks along the side as it seems to bow out slightly at cruise
speeds. I have an L shaped soft seal I will try the next time I fly. Even with
stick and pushrod boots I still get air in through the floor, I believe from
the wing root area ahead of the spar.
Larry Gagnon
RV6 N6LG slider 100 hours
RV6A Finish kit with tip up this time
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kenneth Ward <kennethward@peoplepc.com>
Thank you Dana and Elaine Overall for hosting another fantastic fly in again this
year. You should be bold and give it a name like "Richmond, the Best Darn Little
Fly In-Period."
I brought the boy with me this time, he had great time, convinced his sister and
grandfather they have to come next year.
Team RV and the Buckeye squadron did a great formation display, there was some
really rough the air just over the field and they still made it look great.
Thanks again to all the nice folks who were there.
Ken Ward
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| Subject: | Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
My 6A spends an appreciable amount of time outside in the weather. I have
some fuel cap covers from Sporty's, but they are not doing the job. Some
time back I remember seeing an ad for a cover which I am convinced will do a
better job. As I remember it was about 12" in diameter and was constructed
of a soft plyable rubber or plastic and had lead shot or some other heavy
material blended in with the rubber. It was heavy and soft and when placed
over the fuel cap if assumed the shape of the wing surface and effectively
sealed out water intrusion into the tank through the cap. Its weight and
plyability assured that it was in contact with the wing surface and would
not blow off.
If anyone could supply the name of the seller of this or a similar item, I
would be grateful.
Charlie Ennis
N60CE 50hrs and counting.
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| Subject: | Re: Floscan and IO/360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Mine is mounted between the fuel servo and the flow divider, per
instructions. I didn't see any reason to change to any other location.
Dave
Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>Hey Folks,
>
>Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for
>the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really
>good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat,
>although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the
>divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome.
>
>Jerry Cochran
>Wilsonville, OR
>Closer & closer...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's
Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named
Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out there??
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Bill,
Your design reminds me of the phrase "A snowball's chance in hell" :-)
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
>Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't
>totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation
>bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just
>proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it
>again...
>
>I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps the
>90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off and
>the tube from ever falling off...
>
>So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come
>loose or fall off?
>
>http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg
>
>-Bill VonDane
>RV-8A - Colorado
>www.rv8a.com
>www.creativair.com
>www.epanelbuilder.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off?
>
>Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access
>plate?
>
>--------
>Steve Glasgow-Cappy
>Cappy's Toy
>RV-8 N123SG
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Man that first post had to have the worst spelling out there. "questios" is
now questions, "other's" is now others..........
Nah, I'm not jumping off the bridge just yet. Still looking to buy a low
time <400 TT O-360 or build my own ECI from Attaway. Anybody know of anyone
with such an animal..........got a wad of money burning a whole in my
pocket.
I did a search for "Boyd" here but didn't really get any questions answered,
only saw his posts.
Thanks
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
do not archive
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Super 7
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:17:01 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
>OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's
>Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named
>Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out
>there??
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY i39
>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>Finish kit
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei" <dlpier@lamar.colostate.edu>
There have been at least 2 accidents due to the loose flare nut fitting. I
totaled my RV-6 31/2 years ago due to this problem. There was 6.5 gallons
left in the tank, not 3.5. I informed Vans about it and never received a
reply. There was a short note in the RVator 2-3 years ago addressing this
problem. It was done by a contributor, not Van's staff. I prosealed the nuts
on my current RV-9.
Don Piermattei
RV-9 90411
Donald L. Piermattei DVM, PhD
5000 E County Rd 92
Carr, CO 80612
970/568-9047
Fax 970/568-7279
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| Subject: | Floscan and IO/360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Hello Dwight,
Please post information on the list regarding the Floscan location after
your class.
Best regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Jerry,
If I remember right (call him to verify) Don at Airflow Performance
recommends mounting it near the flow divider. I figure they have been
in the biz of making things work in the engine compartment long enough
that I'll trust their opinion. Sure saves having to shoe-horn it into
the center tunnel. I intend to find out more details next weekend when
I go down to take their "Fuel Injection 101" class as I'll have the
same issue to deal with eventually.
-- Dwight
On Sun Feb 26 17:18:55 2006, Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote :
>Hey Folks,
>
>Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is
for
>the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any
really
>good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to
engine heat,
>although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the
>divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome.
>
>Jerry Cochran
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Dana,
Check out
http://www.brutalpower.net/
Chuck
Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's
Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named
Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out there??
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Not sure about everyone else out there, but I kind of doubt my flop tube is "flopping"
around very much at all. It may shift around side to side a little and
maybe once every year or two I'll really botch something and get negative.
Other than that, I'd be more worried about the weight wearing a hole in the bottom
of the tank where it's sitting in 99+% of the time.
I find two things really curious. One is why Van has apparently crossed into the
grayness of liability and appears to have assumed some partial role as manufacturer
by sending out these Service Bulletins. This "SB" looks and smells just
like one you might get from a *manufacturer*. And his wording was just too
much like that of a manufacturer as well.
Second, speaking of risk, I have several other hose fittings in my plane that *will*
cause engine stoppage - maybe I need to safety those as well. A flop tube
connection failure *may* cause stoppage, and should be recoverable by switching
tanks.
This flop-tube item is pretty far down on the priority list for me. Not to mention
that I specifically remember tightening that nut very well.
But now Van's has me concerned about the applicability of my insurance if I don't
comply with this overreactive "SB", while not being worried about the airworthiness
of my plane. Gee, I would expect this kind of treatment from Cessna,
Piper or Lycoming.
Bryan RV-8
Houston, Texas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15240#15240
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Okay, I plead ignorance here. When I see the words
"kit engine", I think a kit of parts and I build my
own engine. Is this correct? Or is a kit engine an
engine built by pros to my specs?
Dave
--- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
> <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Man that first post had to have the worst spelling
> out there. "questios" is
> now questions, "other's" is now others..........
>
> Nah, I'm not jumping off the bridge just yet. Still
> looking to buy a low
> time <400 TT O-360 or build my own ECI from Attaway.
> Anybody know of anyone
> with such an animal..........got a wad of money
> burning a whole in my
> pocket.
>
> I did a search for "Boyd" here but didn't really get
> any questions answered,
> only saw his posts.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: Super 7
> >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:17:01 -0500
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
> <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the
> wheel of Mike Stewart's
> >Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered.
> Wasn't there a guy named
> >Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone
> know of other's out
> >there??
> >
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >Richmond, KY i39
> >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> >Finish kit
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Boyd Braem
bcbraem@comcast.net
It is several years old so I don't know if it is still good.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II (Super 4)
Once you go super you will never go back. :-)
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Super 7
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's
> Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named
> Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out
> there??
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: KellyM <kellym@aviating.com>
I guess you haven't looked at the number of mandatory service bulletins
Lycoming, Piper and Cessna have issued over the years. And Part 91
pilots mostly ignore them until and if they become ADs. Right up there
with the dozen mandatory service bulletins Parker Hannifan has issued on
Airborne vacuum pumps, that all went in the round file.
Do not Archive
bdjones1965 wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Not sure about everyone else out there, but I kind of doubt my flop tube is "flopping"
around very much at all. It may shift around side to side a little
and maybe once every year or two I'll really botch something and get negative.
Other than that, I'd be more worried about the weight wearing a hole in the
bottom of the tank where it's sitting in 99+% of the time.
>
> I find two things really curious. One is why Van has apparently crossed into
the grayness of liability and appears to have assumed some partial role as manufacturer
by sending out these Service Bulletins. This "SB" looks and smells
just like one you might get from a *manufacturer*. And his wording was just
too much like that of a manufacturer as well.
>
> Second, speaking of risk, I have several other hose fittings in my plane that
*will* cause engine stoppage - maybe I need to safety those as well. A flop
tube connection failure *may* cause stoppage, and should be recoverable by switching
tanks.
>
> This flop-tube item is pretty far down on the priority list for me. Not to mention
that I specifically remember tightening that nut very well.
>
> But now Van's has me concerned about the applicability of my insurance if I don't
comply with this overreactive "SB", while not being worried about the airworthiness
of my plane. Gee, I would expect this kind of treatment from Cessna,
Piper or Lycoming.
>
> Bryan RV-8
> Houston, Texas
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15240#15240
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Can't speak for anybody else, but I use a fair amount of fuelube (EZ-turn)
on my fuel caps. My plane has sat out in the rain for extended periods
while travelling (5 days in a row of T-storms) and I haven't seen any water
in the tanks. I think fuelube on the shaft and O rings does a decent job
sealing out the water. Just my personal opinion/experience.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (827 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel cap water protection?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
>
> My 6A spends an appreciable amount of time outside in the weather. I have
> some fuel cap covers from Sporty's, but they are not doing the job. Some
> time back I remember seeing an ad for a cover which I am convinced will do
> a
> better job. As I remember it was about 12" in diameter and was constructed
> of a soft plyable rubber or plastic and had lead shot or some other heavy
> material blended in with the rubber. It was heavy and soft and when placed
> over the fuel cap if assumed the shape of the wing surface and effectively
> sealed out water intrusion into the tank through the cap. Its weight and
> plyability assured that it was in contact with the wing surface and would
> not blow off.
> If anyone could supply the name of the seller of this or a similar item, I
> would be grateful.
> Charlie Ennis
> N60CE 50hrs and counting.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Donald
Thanks for sharing that information.
Reading about pipe flares today and found that over tightening can cause
damage to the tube possibly causing failure, also cracks and deformities
in a flare are not acceptable.
Two questions for you - did the investigation find that the AN 818 nut
came completely off the bulkhead fitting allowing the pickup tube to
drop off, or had the nut just loosened allowing the fuel pump to suck air?
Was there any previous symptom of a fuel flow problem?
Thanks,
George in Langley BC
>
>There have been at least 2 accidents due to the loose flare nut fitting. I
>totaled my RV-6 31/2 years ago due to this problem. There was 6.5 gallons
>left in the tank, not 3.5. I informed Vans about it and never received a
>reply. There was a short note in the RVator 2-3 years ago addressing this
>problem. It was done by a contributor, not Van's staff. I prosealed the nuts
>on my current RV-9.
>Don Piermattei
>RV-9 90411
>
>
>
>
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