---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/26/06: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:56 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) () 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (LarryRobertHelming) 3. 07:11 AM - Stupid SB (charles heathco) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Steve Glasgow) 5. 08:03 AM - Service variations - Spruce (Nic) 6. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Evan and Megan Johnson) 7. 08:05 AM - Re: Stupid SB (Ed Anderson) 8. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Bill VonDane) 9. 08:30 AM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Steve Glasgow) 10. 08:36 AM - Re: Stupid SB (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 11. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Mickey Coggins) 12. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Curt Reimer) 13. 12:26 PM - Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 14. 12:31 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Jeff Dowling) 15. 12:43 PM - Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (LARRY ADAMSON) 16. 12:53 PM - Re: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB (Randy Lervold) 17. 01:49 PM - 1st Flight N716K (Kelly Patterson) 18. 02:21 PM - Floscan and IO/360 (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 19. 03:22 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (Dwight Frye) 20. 03:31 PM - RV-6 slider air leaks (rv6n6r@comcast.net) 21. 03:31 PM - Re: 1st Flight N716K (Darrell Reiley) 22. 05:39 PM - Re: RV-6 slider air leaks (Larygagnon@aol.com) 23. 05:45 PM - I-39 Fly In (Kenneth Ward) 24. 05:51 PM - Fuel cap water protection? (c.ennis) 25. 06:50 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (D.Bristol) 26. 07:19 PM - Super 7 (Dana Overall) 27. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Charlie Kuss) 28. 07:41 PM - Re: Super 7 (Dana Overall) 29. 07:43 PM - Fuel tank bulletin (Don/Marcia Piermattei) 30. 07:53 PM - Re: Floscan and IO/360 (William Gill) 31. 08:11 PM - Re: Super 7 (Chuck) 32. 08:14 PM - Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (bdjones1965) 33. 08:19 PM - Re: Super 7 (Dave Nellis) 34. 08:27 PM - Re: Super 7 (Tom Gummo) 35. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (KellyM) 36. 10:55 PM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Dan Checkoway) 37. 10:57 PM - Re: Fuel tank bulletin (G McNutt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: > I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to > comply due to insurance issues. > It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I > expected. > Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the > threads. > There's plenty of meat there. Excuse me; but, I'd really like to know how he did it that quickly. Let's see. One has to gather the stuff to drain the tanks. Drain the tanks. Get the tools gathered to clean the proseal off the screws, etc. Clean the proseal off of the screws, etc. to remove the cover plate. Remove the cover plate. Gather the stuff to fix the problem. Fix the problem. Mix up a batch of proseal, after cleaning the areas that are to receive the proseal. Put the plate back on with the proseal. Clean up any messes and put away the tools. That's if one doesn't have to remove the tanks! Now, tell me how he did that in 1/2 hour because I see this taking hours to do. I may be missing something. It's takes me longer than that to clean up and reseal a leak at the plate, much less removing it and reinstalling it. :-( Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) RV-7A #70317 EAA Tech Counselor do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:05 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" This a good reason to paint your fuel tanks separately when detached from the wing. Then mount on the wing after it is painted and use either painted or unpainted screws. Indiana Larry, RV7 SunSeeker 90+ hours flying "Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and at your own risk." ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.Bristol" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin > --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > > Steve, > > Just use a razor blade along the edge of the tank. The paint will not > have run under the edge enough to cause it to stick unless the painter > REALLY loaded it up with wet paint. > > Dave > > Stephen J. Soule wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" >> >>Dave, >> >>I used unpainted screws, so that's not the problem. I was thinking that >>even >>when the screws are out, the tank will still be stuck to the wing with >>paint. I wondered if anybody had practical advice about how to pry the >>tank >>apart from the wing. >> >>Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol >>Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:44 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" >> >>Good point, but when I built my 6 I painted the tanks separately and >>used stainless screws it install them. Removal is a 1/2 hour job (after >>they're empty). And, in my opinion they look just as good or better than >>painted screws, and are much more serviceable. >>BTW, I'd like to watch someone try to remove the inverted pickup with >>the tanks installed! I think Van's is out to lunch on that one. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:33 AM PST US From: "charles heathco" Subject: RV-List: Stupid SB --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB! One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:06 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) From: "Steve Glasgow" --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off? Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access plate? -------- Steve Glasgow-Cappy Cappy's Toy RV-8 N123SG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:11 AM PST US From: "Nic" Subject: RV-List: Service variations - Spruce --> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" Several weeks ago I posted a message concerning the variations in service I have received whilst building my RV8 and in particular the problems encountered in ordering a Sigtronics intercom from Aircraft Spruce. I am pleased to say that soon after my posting the issue was resolved and I received a personal email message from Jim Irwin (President of Aircraft Spruce) apologising for the delay. The Sigtronics intercom is now installed and working well and I appreciate the help of the list in suggesting alternative suppliers and products as well as the impetus created to resolve the problem. Jim Irwin made it clear in his email that Spruce values the custom of RV builders very highly. Rgds, Nic ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:11 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Nope....no solvent will work after it is cured....use a razor blade. There is supposed to be a gasket between the sender and the access plate...throw it away and proseal the sender on. That crappy gasket is by far the single biggest leaker on these tanks. Also put a small smudge of sealant on the underside of each of the screw heads before you tork them down. It will squidge out and make a perfect little gasket around the screw head. Evan Johnson www.evansaviationproducts.com (530)247-0375 (530)351-1776 cell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glasgow" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > > Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off? > > Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access plate? > > -------- > Steve Glasgow-Cappy > Cappy's Toy > RV-8 N123SG > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:07 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Stupid SB --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Charles, I agree you certainly don't have to comply to fly. However, your insurance company may take a different viewpoint should a mishap befall you related to this SB. In my case, there was absolutely no advanced warning. On one flight I could use down to the last cup of fuel in the tank with the flop tube and the next flight I could not access the last 3.5 gallons. So there was no advanced warning (in my case) before it fell off. However, unless that is your last 3.5 gallons ( not a wise way to fly {:>)), then you could simply switch fuel tanks - which I stupidly did not do because I convinced myself that I had 3.5 gallons remaining (I did) and therefore my problem was a plugged up fuel filter (it was not). In fact, I was convinced (once I found out it was not a plugged filter) that my flop tube had simply hung up on something in the tank. It was not until after several flights where I unsuccessfully attempted to dislodge the "hung up" flop tube (each time the engine would start to sputter when the fuel level in that tank reach approx 3.5 gallons) by vigorously rocking the wings, that I bit the bullet and took off the tank to discover the flop tube was disconnected (after 160 hours of flight). FWIW Ed Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles heathco" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: RV-List: Stupid SB > --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" > > What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an > SB! One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should > be grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of > problem came with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was > disreguarded. Charles Heathco > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:36 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it again... I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps the 90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off and the tube from ever falling off... So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come loose or fall off? http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg -Bill VonDane RV-8A - Colorado www.rv8a.com www.creativair.com www.epanelbuilder.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glasgow" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off? Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access plate? -------- Steve Glasgow-Cappy Cappy's Toy RV-8 N123SG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) From: "Steve Glasgow" --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Thanks Evan. The perfect answer. -------- Steve Glasgow-Cappy Cappy's Toy RV-8 N123SG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15127#15127 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:07 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Stupid SB --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) The warning apparently wasn't disregarded. It was addressed but misdiagnosed and the subsequent inflight engine restart checklist not followed when there was all indications time to dig it out and follow it. Having said that, it boils down to what the insurance company's stand is going to be for most of us, I'm sure... Lucky -------------- Original message -------------- From: "charles heathco" > --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" > > What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB! > One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be > grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came > with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco > > > > > > > > > > > > The warning apparently wasn't disregarded. It was addressed but misdiagnosed and the subsequentinflight engine restart checklist not followed when there was all indications time to dig it out and follow it. Having said that, it boils down to what the insurance company's stand is going to be for most of us, I'm sure... Lucky -------------- Original message -------------- From: "charles heathco" cheathco@junct.com -- RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" What a bunch of crap! I have an experimental. I DONT have to adhere to an SB! One, maybe 2 have come loose?? big deal. I deceide if my plane should be grounded. and I dont think it needs to be. Besides both cases of problem came with plenty of warning, both cases the warning was disreguarded. Charles Heathco oshare, and much much more: ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:03 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come > loose or fall off? > > http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg To me it looks like you're in good shape, Bill. One side question - the "proseal" on my QB tanks is very very tough. The "proseal" I got from Van's is about as strong as RTV. Does anyone know where to get the strong stuff? -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:58 AM PST US From: "Curt Reimer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" I can see why this would be a problem with the flop tube but not with all the other flare nuts - most flare nuts don't have a 1 lb hose flopping around, attached only at one end. If this were a firewall forward hose it would be required to be secured with Adel clamps! >From my perspective, the whole flop tube concept is far more trouble than it's worth for anyone other than die-hard negative-G aerobatic flyers. When I rip into my tank to deal with this, my flop tube is coming off and will be replaced with a solid aluminum pickup tube. The potential for a hung-up tube, this nut loosening issue, and the requirement to replace the flop tube periodically add up to too much maintenance hassle and risk. (There is at least one report in the RVator of an RV-4 with a fuel pickup problem that was attributed to a flop hose that had deteriorated and was leaky as a sieve. That time Van's stopped short of issuing an SB - I wonder what they would do today?) Curt RV-6 C-GACR 375 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > > Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't > totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation > bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just > proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it > again... > > I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps > the > 90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off > and > the tube from ever falling off... > > So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come > loose or fall off? > > http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg > > -Bill VonDane > RV-8A - Colorado > www.rv8a.com > www.creativair.com > www.epanelbuilder.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Glasgow" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM > Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > > Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off? > > Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 > access > plate? > > -------- > Steve Glasgow-Cappy > Cappy's Toy > RV-8 N123SG > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:49 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Listers, What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on? Jerry Cochran Wilsonville, OR ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:15 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Hey Jim, once you do this the first time, Im sure it will get much quicker. Sooooo, how about doing ehhhhh, lets say 3 more rvs :) do not archive shemp ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:46 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) > --> RV-List message posted by: > > >> I was helping a friend annual his RV-7 today and he decided he wanted to >> comply due to insurance issues. >> It took less than 1/2 hour to do the first tank. A lot easier than I >> expected. >> Drilling the nut is no problem if you do it on the end away from the >> threads. >> There's plenty of meat there. > > Excuse me; but, I'd really like to know how he did it that quickly. Let's > see. One has to gather the stuff to drain the tanks. Drain the tanks. > Get > the tools gathered to clean the proseal off the screws, etc. Clean the > proseal off of the screws, etc. to remove the cover plate. Remove the > cover > plate. Gather the stuff to fix the problem. Fix the problem. Mix up a > batch of proseal, after cleaning the areas that are to receive the > proseal. > Put the plate back on with the proseal. Clean up any messes and put away > the tools. That's if one doesn't have to remove the tanks! Now, tell me > how he did that in 1/2 hour because I see this taking hours to do. I may > be > missing something. It's takes me longer than that to clean up and reseal > a > leak at the plate, much less removing it and reinstalling it. :-( > > Jim Sears in KY > RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) > RV-7A #70317 > EAA Tech Counselor > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:44 PM PST US From: "LARRY ADAMSON" Subject: Re: RV-List: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB --> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" I once heard that a plastic butter knife works well. What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:01 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" A sharp putty knife... been there, done that. Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: Removing Proseal/Tank MSB > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > Listers, > > What's the best method of removing tank end plates that are prosealed on? > > Jerry Cochran > Wilsonville, OR > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:51 PM PST US From: "Kelly Patterson" Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight N716K --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson" Hi everyone, Couldn't wait to let the list know that another RV-6A is airborne. Took flight from Chandler, AZ this morning for 45 minutes of orbiting the field. All temps & pressures nominal. No issues to speak of after the flight. Straight & true with maybe a 1/4 bubble off on the rudder. Put the wheels pants on and filled the tanks for the 2nd flight. Not today though - I need a drink! A big THANK YOU to all of you for your knowledge and expertise in helping me complete this task. There are too many to list. Can't wait to burn up 40 hours and venture out to see some new friends. Still grinning. Some specs: kit # 22372, 2.25 years & 1900 hrs building, 1041 Lb. painted & upholstered, O-320 w/ Emag & 9.2:1 pistons, sensenich prop, 296 Garmin & pictorial pilot, VFR night. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:06 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360 --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Hey Folks, Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat, although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome. Jerry Cochran Wilsonville, OR Closer & closer... ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:24 PM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360 --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Jerry, If I remember right (call him to verify) Don at Airflow Performance recommends mounting it near the flow divider. I figure they have been in the biz of making things work in the engine compartment long enough that I'll trust their opinion. Sure saves having to shoe-horn it into the center tunnel. I intend to find out more details next weekend when I go down to take their "Fuel Injection 101" class as I'll have the same issue to deal with eventually. -- Dwight On Sun Feb 26 17:18:55 2006, Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote : >Hey Folks, > >Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for >the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really >good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat, >although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the >divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome. > >Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US From: rv6n6r@comcast.net Subject: RV-List: RV-6 slider air leaks --> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net I have the typical problem of cold air blowing at the back of my neck (and rain coming in) through the gap where the middle canopy track is on my slider (RV-6). Keep thinking I'll fix it somehow but I thought first I'd ask for tricks from the -list. I've seen the one where you put a UHMW block on a string to fill the gap -- how well does that work? Any other tricks people have used? I'm thinking just for the water some kind of diverter inside so at least it doesn't drip down on the stuff in the baggage compartment. Randall Henderson RV-6 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight N716K --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Congratulations Kelly! Way to go... Darrell Kelly Patterson wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson" Hi everyone, Couldn't wait to let the list know that another RV-6A is airborne. Took flight from Chandler, AZ this morning for 45 minutes of orbiting the field. All temps & pressures nominal. No issues to speak of after the flight. Straight & true with maybe a 1/4 bubble off on the rudder. Put the wheels pants on and filled the tanks for the 2nd flight. Not today though - I need a drink! A big THANK YOU to all of you for your knowledge and expertise in helping me complete this task. There are too many to list. Can't wait to burn up 40 hours and venture out to see some new friends. Still grinning. Some specs: kit # 22372, 2.25 years & 1900 hrs building, 1041 Lb. painted & upholstered, O-320 w/ Emag & 9.2:1 pistons, sensenich prop, 296 Garmin & pictorial pilot, VFR night. --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:41 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6 slider air leaks --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com I've found the UHMW block works well on my 6 slider. I noticed a big difference when I had to take it off after I did the Menske tip-up mod, it would slide off the track at the cut-out and bounce around. I have to find a way to keep it on and still allow the block to come off at the cutout to tip-up. Any suggestions from anyone who's got both a sealing block with the tip-up mod? I've had more leaks along the side as it seems to bow out slightly at cruise speeds. I have an L shaped soft seal I will try the next time I fly. Even with stick and pushrod boots I still get air in through the floor, I believe from the wing root area ahead of the spar. Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG slider 100 hours RV6A Finish kit with tip up this time ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:23 PM PST US From: Kenneth Ward Subject: RV-List: I-39 Fly In --> RV-List message posted by: Kenneth Ward Thank you Dana and Elaine Overall for hosting another fantastic fly in again this year. You should be bold and give it a name like "Richmond, the Best Darn Little Fly In-Period." I brought the boy with me this time, he had great time, convinced his sister and grandfather they have to come next year. Team RV and the Buckeye squadron did a great formation display, there was some really rough the air just over the field and they still made it look great. Thanks again to all the nice folks who were there. Ken Ward Do Not Archive PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:09 PM PST US From: "c.ennis" Subject: RV-List: Fuel cap water protection? --> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" My 6A spends an appreciable amount of time outside in the weather. I have some fuel cap covers from Sporty's, but they are not doing the job. Some time back I remember seeing an ad for a cover which I am convinced will do a better job. As I remember it was about 12" in diameter and was constructed of a soft plyable rubber or plastic and had lead shot or some other heavy material blended in with the rubber. It was heavy and soft and when placed over the fuel cap if assumed the shape of the wing surface and effectively sealed out water intrusion into the tank through the cap. Its weight and plyability assured that it was in contact with the wing surface and would not blow off. If anyone could supply the name of the seller of this or a similar item, I would be grateful. Charlie Ennis N60CE 50hrs and counting. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:04 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360 --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Mine is mounted between the fuel servo and the flow divider, per instructions. I didn't see any reason to change to any other location. Dave Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > >Hey Folks, > >Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for >the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really >good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat, >although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the >divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome. > >Jerry Cochran >Wilsonville, OR >Closer & closer... > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:04 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Super 7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out there?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:18 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Bill, Your design reminds me of the phrase "A snowball's chance in hell" :-) Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > >Ok, so when I built my tanks I thought about this and although I didn't >totally proseal the tube and connector, I did build the anti-rotation >bracket a little differently... If I were to do it again I would just >proseal the whole thing as you should never need to do anything with it >again... > >I built and installed my anti-rotation bracket so that it not only keeps the >90 degree fitting from rotating, it also keeps the nut from backing off and >the tube from ever falling off... > >So tell me what you all think... Do any of you think it could ever come >loose or fall off? > >http://www.rv8a.com/tanks/ps4.jpg > >-Bill VonDane >RV-8A - Colorado >www.rv8a.com >www.creativair.com >www.epanelbuilder.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Glasgow" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM >Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" > >Is there a solvent that will clean the pro seal off? > >Is there a gasket between the fuel sender access plate and the T-408 access >plate? > >-------- >Steve Glasgow-Cappy >Cappy's Toy >RV-8 N123SG > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15110#15110 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:55 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Super 7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Man that first post had to have the worst spelling out there. "questios" is now questions, "other's" is now others.......... Nah, I'm not jumping off the bridge just yet. Still looking to buy a low time <400 TT O-360 or build my own ECI from Attaway. Anybody know of anyone with such an animal..........got a wad of money burning a whole in my pocket. I did a search for "Boyd" here but didn't really get any questions answered, only saw his posts. Thanks Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit do not archive >From: "Dana Overall" >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Super 7 >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:17:01 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > >OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's >Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named >Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out >there?? > > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY i39 >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >Finish kit >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:20 PM PST US From: "Don/Marcia Piermattei" Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei" There have been at least 2 accidents due to the loose flare nut fitting. I totaled my RV-6 31/2 years ago due to this problem. There was 6.5 gallons left in the tank, not 3.5. I informed Vans about it and never received a reply. There was a short note in the RVator 2-3 years ago addressing this problem. It was done by a contributor, not Van's staff. I prosealed the nuts on my current RV-9. Don Piermattei RV-9 90411 Donald L. Piermattei DVM, PhD 5000 E County Rd 92 Carr, CO 80612 970/568-9047 Fax 970/568-7279 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:17 PM PST US From: "William Gill" Subject: RE: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360 --> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" Hello Dwight, Please post information on the list regarding the Floscan location after your class. Best regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Floscan and IO/360 --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Jerry, If I remember right (call him to verify) Don at Airflow Performance recommends mounting it near the flow divider. I figure they have been in the biz of making things work in the engine compartment long enough that I'll trust their opinion. Sure saves having to shoe-horn it into the center tunnel. I intend to find out more details next weekend when I go down to take their "Fuel Injection 101" class as I'll have the same issue to deal with eventually. -- Dwight On Sun Feb 26 17:18:55 2006, Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote : >Hey Folks, > >Anyone with an injected engine have pix of their Floscan setup? This is for >the center tunnel ala RV7-7a with center boost pump. I don't see any really >good spots inside the firewall and would rather not subject it to engine heat, >although one guy in the archives mounted it just upstream from the >divider...Any and all advice, pix more than welcome. > >Jerry Cochran ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:06 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: Super 7 --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Dana, Check out http://www.brutalpower.net/ Chuck Dana Overall wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out there?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit do not archive --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:21 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) From: "bdjones1965" --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" Not sure about everyone else out there, but I kind of doubt my flop tube is "flopping" around very much at all. It may shift around side to side a little and maybe once every year or two I'll really botch something and get negative. Other than that, I'd be more worried about the weight wearing a hole in the bottom of the tank where it's sitting in 99+% of the time. I find two things really curious. One is why Van has apparently crossed into the grayness of liability and appears to have assumed some partial role as manufacturer by sending out these Service Bulletins. This "SB" looks and smells just like one you might get from a *manufacturer*. And his wording was just too much like that of a manufacturer as well. Second, speaking of risk, I have several other hose fittings in my plane that *will* cause engine stoppage - maybe I need to safety those as well. A flop tube connection failure *may* cause stoppage, and should be recoverable by switching tanks. This flop-tube item is pretty far down on the priority list for me. Not to mention that I specifically remember tightening that nut very well. But now Van's has me concerned about the applicability of my insurance if I don't comply with this overreactive "SB", while not being worried about the airworthiness of my plane. Gee, I would expect this kind of treatment from Cessna, Piper or Lycoming. Bryan RV-8 Houston, Texas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15240#15240 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:29 PM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: RE: RV-List: Super 7 --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis Okay, I plead ignorance here. When I see the words "kit engine", I think a kit of parts and I build my own engine. Is this correct? Or is a kit engine an engine built by pros to my specs? Dave --- Dana Overall wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > Man that first post had to have the worst spelling > out there. "questios" is > now questions, "other's" is now others.......... > > Nah, I'm not jumping off the bridge just yet. Still > looking to buy a low > time <400 TT O-360 or build my own ECI from Attaway. > Anybody know of anyone > with such an animal..........got a wad of money > burning a whole in my > pocket. > > I did a search for "Boyd" here but didn't really get > any questions answered, > only saw his posts. > > Thanks > > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > do not archive > > > > > > >From: "Dana Overall" > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: Super 7 > >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:17:01 -0500 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > > > > >OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the > wheel of Mike Stewart's > >Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. > Wasn't there a guy named > >Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone > know of other's out > >there?? > > > > > >Dana Overall > >Richmond, KY i39 > >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > >Finish kit > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:24 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Super 7 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Boyd Braem bcbraem@comcast.net It is several years old so I don't know if it is still good. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II (Super 4) Once you go super you will never go back. :-) do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: RV-List: Super 7 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > OK gang, after riding and getting a turn at the wheel of Mike Stewart's > Super 8, I've got to get some questios answered. Wasn't there a guy named > Boyd here on the net that had a Super 6? Anyone know of other's out > there?? > > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:20 PM PST US From: KellyM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) --> RV-List message posted by: KellyM I guess you haven't looked at the number of mandatory service bulletins Lycoming, Piper and Cessna have issued over the years. And Part 91 pilots mostly ignore them until and if they become ADs. Right up there with the dozen mandatory service bulletins Parker Hannifan has issued on Airborne vacuum pumps, that all went in the round file. Do not Archive bdjones1965 wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" > > Not sure about everyone else out there, but I kind of doubt my flop tube is "flopping" around very much at all. It may shift around side to side a little and maybe once every year or two I'll really botch something and get negative. Other than that, I'd be more worried about the weight wearing a hole in the bottom of the tank where it's sitting in 99+% of the time. > > I find two things really curious. One is why Van has apparently crossed into the grayness of liability and appears to have assumed some partial role as manufacturer by sending out these Service Bulletins. This "SB" looks and smells just like one you might get from a *manufacturer*. And his wording was just too much like that of a manufacturer as well. > > Second, speaking of risk, I have several other hose fittings in my plane that *will* cause engine stoppage - maybe I need to safety those as well. A flop tube connection failure *may* cause stoppage, and should be recoverable by switching tanks. > > This flop-tube item is pretty far down on the priority list for me. Not to mention that I specifically remember tightening that nut very well. > > But now Van's has me concerned about the applicability of my insurance if I don't comply with this overreactive "SB", while not being worried about the airworthiness of my plane. Gee, I would expect this kind of treatment from Cessna, Piper or Lycoming. > > Bryan RV-8 > Houston, Texas > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15240#15240 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:18 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel cap water protection? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Can't speak for anybody else, but I use a fair amount of fuelube (EZ-turn) on my fuel caps. My plane has sat out in the rain for extended periods while travelling (5 days in a row of T-storms) and I haven't seen any water in the tanks. I think fuelube on the shaft and O rings does a decent job sealing out the water. Just my personal opinion/experience. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (827 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "c.ennis" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: RV-List: Fuel cap water protection? > --> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" > > My 6A spends an appreciable amount of time outside in the weather. I have > some fuel cap covers from Sporty's, but they are not doing the job. Some > time back I remember seeing an ad for a cover which I am convinced will do > a > better job. As I remember it was about 12" in diameter and was constructed > of a soft plyable rubber or plastic and had lead shot or some other heavy > material blended in with the rubber. It was heavy and soft and when placed > over the fuel cap if assumed the shape of the wing surface and effectively > sealed out water intrusion into the tank through the cap. Its weight and > plyability assured that it was in contact with the wing surface and would > not blow off. > If anyone could supply the name of the seller of this or a similar item, I > would be grateful. > Charlie Ennis > N60CE 50hrs and counting. > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:19 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel tank bulletin --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt Hi Donald Thanks for sharing that information. Reading about pipe flares today and found that over tightening can cause damage to the tube possibly causing failure, also cracks and deformities in a flare are not acceptable. Two questions for you - did the investigation find that the AN 818 nut came completely off the bulkhead fitting allowing the pickup tube to drop off, or had the nut just loosened allowing the fuel pump to suck air? Was there any previous symptom of a fuel flow problem? Thanks, George in Langley BC > >There have been at least 2 accidents due to the loose flare nut fitting. I >totaled my RV-6 31/2 years ago due to this problem. There was 6.5 gallons >left in the tank, not 3.5. I informed Vans about it and never received a >reply. There was a short note in the RVator 2-3 years ago addressing this >problem. It was done by a contributor, not Van's staff. I prosealed the nuts >on my current RV-9. >Don Piermattei >RV-9 90411 > > > >