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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Kevin Horton)
3. 04:16 AM - Re: Lycoming wants me to retire my crankshaft (Kevin Horton)
4. 04:27 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB (Kevin Horton)
5. 04:43 AM - Re: 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... (james frierson)
6. 04:54 AM - Re: Lycoming wants me to retire my crankshaft (Ralph E. Capen)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Alex Peterson)
8. 05:52 AM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
9. 05:57 AM - Re: Fuel cap water protection? (and cold temp ops) (Dale Ensing)
10. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Dale Ensing)
11. 06:35 AM - This dang mand SB. (charles heathco)
12. 06:57 AM - Re: 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... (Bob J.)
13. 07:45 AM - Re: 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... (Sherman Butler)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Chuck)
15. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (LarryRobertHelming)
16. 08:09 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB (Tom Gummo)
17. 08:17 AM - AET group buy on RV8/8A engine exhausts (Robert Sultzbach)
18. 08:21 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Jim Anglin)
19. 09:09 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Kevin Horton)
20. 09:45 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Sam Buchanan)
21. 09:45 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (SteinAir, Inc.)
22. 10:16 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Randy Lervold)
23. 11:17 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Pat Hatch)
24. 11:29 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Pat Hatch)
25. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Stephen J. Soule)
26. 11:52 AM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Sam Buchanan)
27. 12:11 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Dan Checkoway)
28. 12:13 PM - GNS-530 vrs MX-20 (Larry E. James)
29. 01:19 PM - Jihostroj Governor Control Arm (Charlie Brame)
30. 01:27 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. (Mickey Coggins)
31. 01:47 PM - Re: Jihostroj Governor Control Arm (Dan Checkoway)
32. 02:28 PM - I have never seeing so many sb (bertrv6@highstream.net)
33. 03:07 PM - Re: I have never seeing so many sb (c.ennis)
34. 03:36 PM - Re: I have never seeing so many sb (Richard McCraw)
35. 03:36 PM - Re: Fuel tank service bulletin (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
36. 03:37 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
37. 05:08 PM - Backup battery - Lightspeed EI (Doug Weiler)
38. 05:20 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (Dana Overall)
39. 05:54 PM - Re: Backup battery - Lightspeed EI (dick martin)
40. 06:26 PM - Re: GNS-530 vrs MX-20 (Robert Cutter)
41. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuel cap water protection? (Curt Reimer)
42. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Paul Besing)
43. 07:48 PM - Re: GNS-530 vrs MX-20 (Stein Bruch)
44. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Sherman Butler)
45. 10:12 PM - Re: Backup battery - Lightspeed EI (Mauri Morin)
46. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) (Mickey Coggins)
47. 11:06 PM - Quick rv7 rudder question (David Karlsberg)
48. 11:52 PM - Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG (G McNutt)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ... I don't have a lot of experience
> yet, as I just this winter(finally) figured out this solution to a plaguing
> problem of cold weather ops with the fuel caps. ...
Another option is to use the "Retrofit lockable fuel caps".
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20040822215643234
I have not subjected them to any harsh winters, but the
design seems to be such that they will open and close
easily under all conditions.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 27 Feb 2006, at 20:23, Alex Peterson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>
>> Clarification please - did the spray white grease have the
>> same effect as the Tri-Flow, or the EZ Turn?
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
> Kevin, I feel they had the same effect. I don't have a lot of
> experience
> yet, as I just this winter(finally) figured out this solution to a
> plaguing
> problem of cold weather ops with the fuel caps. The difference in
> the force
> needed to lock down the cap is perhaps 20% of what it had been, all
> else
> equal, after lubing them. I simply peel out the big o-ring, clean out
> whatever might be in there, and spray a small film of whatever lube in
> there, and replace the o-ring. Each time the cap is actuated when
> wetted
> with fuel, I'm sure some of the lube dissolves, so time will tell how
> frequently to re-apply. I also put some under the clamping
> mechanism and
> around that o-ring also.
>
> There is a fundamental angle of repose problem with the fuel cap
> design. In
> other terms, the angle of the cones is low enough that the large o-
> ring
> refuses to slide radially outward as the two cones are brought
> together,
> unless on puts some sort of lube behind it. There will be a bit of
> lube
> streaking down the top of the wing, as some of the lube will be
> "outside"
> the fuel seal. I found that I needed to tighten the adjusting nut
> after
> using lube.
Are you now using just a spray on lubricant, or are you using EZ Turn
+ a spray on lubricant?
We have some wonderfully clear winter flying days up here, but it can
be very cold.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming wants me to retire my crankshaft |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 27 Feb 2006, at 23:58, David Leonard wrote:
> now, if only I hadn't just landed on a freeway..... :-)
>
> Dave Leonard
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
Landed on a freeway? Wow. Tell us more. What failed, and where
were you when it failed? And tell us all about the landing and the
aftermath. What worked well, and what would you do different next
time? Are you OK? Is the aircraft OK?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sure, Jack, come on up. But I'll still need to do that flight
testing, from the front seat so I can reach the fuel selector just in
case. But I'll supply as much beer as you can drink + a free bedroom
during the time it takes me to fly off that 25 hours. That's all
the beer _you_ can drink. I'm not sure I can afford Tom :)
Kevin
do not archive
On 27 Feb 2006, at 21:57, JOHN STARN wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> Would ya also make this offer to Rocket HRII owners too ? ?
> Do your rates include warm beers whilst we wait. 8*) (aka JACK)
> KABONG
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB
>
>
>> Bring your plane up here, and I'll do the job for you. I'll need to
>> do 25 or 30 hours of flight testing to be sure the pickups are
>> working right when I'm done, but my rates are pretty low for RV
>> owners :)
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>
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| Subject: | 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I bought a factory refurbished Lincoln SP100T from Indiana Oxygen Co. on
E-Bay for $349.99 a year or so ago. It is 120v and will do gasless or w/gas
and came with the regulator and hose. This thing works great! My cousin is a
muffler man and he used it making me an exhaust system for my 6A and he said
it was as good as he has ever used. BTW the homemade exhaust is working fine
as well.
Scott
N162RV
180hrs
>Can anyone recommend at good 120-volt welder (flux cored arc welding (FCAW)
>- gasless) for a hobbyist or for small projects at the hangar?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming wants me to retire my crankshaft |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I just sent my engine back to British Columbia for remediation of the last SB.
Thanks goodness this SB says that the last one completes the requirements for
this one........
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2006 6:16 PM
>To: SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com, rv-list@matronics.com
>Cc: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>Subject: RV-List: Lycoming wants me to retire my crankshaft
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Lycoming has asked me (and hundreds/thousands of others?) to retire my
>crankshaft at my convenience, or February 21, 2009, whichever comes first.
>
>Check the Mandatory Service Bulletin from Lycoming to see if it applies to
>you, but it looks like just counterweighted 360s and 390s that will be
>affected RV-wise, and maybe a handful of 540s on Rockets and Supers. My
>crankshaft serial # is right there in the list. Here's the SB:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/lh54h
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (828 hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> Are you now using just a spray on lubricant, or are you using
> EZ Turn
> + a spray on lubricant?
>
> We have some wonderfully clear winter flying days up here,
> but it can be very cold.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
Kevin, no EZ Turn. It really, really gets stiff when OAT's get cold. Put
some on something and put it in the freezer.
Mickey, I may consider one of the retrofits at some point, but I'd have to
look at the details of the design to see the sealing mechanism first.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 719 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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Cc: "'alexpeterson@earthlink.net'" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
| Subject: | RE: Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
It seems to me that there is another issue a work here: the elasticity
of the
"O" rings at low temps. I seem to remember listings (that should be in the
archives) that address this problem. If I remember correctly, Van utilizes
"O" rings that are not intended for low temperature operation.
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <
alexpeterson@earthlink.net <mailto:alexpeterson@earthlink.net> >
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton < khorton01@rogers.com
<mailto:khorton01@rogers.com> >
>
> Clarification please - did the spray white grease have the
> same effect as the Tri-Flow, or the EZ Turn?
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 <http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8>
Kevin, I feel they had the same effect. I don't have a lot of
experience
yet, as I just this winter(finally) figured out this solution to a
plaguing
problem of cold weather ops with the fuel caps. The difference in the
force
needed to lock down the cap is perhaps 20% of what it had been, all
else
equal, after lubing them. I simply peel out the big o-ring, clean out
whatever might be in there, and spray a small film of whatever lube in
there, and replace the o-ring. Each time the cap is actuated when
wetted
with fuel, I'm sure some of the lube dissolves, so time will tell how
frequently to re-apply. I also put some under the clamping mechanism
and
around that o-ring also.
There is a fundamental angle of repose problem with the fuel cap
design. In
other terms, the angle of the cones is low enough that the large
o-ring
refuses to slide radially outward as the two cones are brought
together,
unless on puts some sort of lube behind it. There will be a bit of
lube
streaking down the top of the wing, as some of the lube will be
"outside"
the fuel seal. I found that I needed to tighten the adjusting nut
after
using lube.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 719 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel cap water protection? (and cold temp ops) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Alex,
Have you tried a fluorosilicone lube on your fuel caps? It is not washed out by
the solvent action of the avgas and the fluid in the grease has a very flat temperature
viscosity curve -service temp is minus 20F to +450F. I am using Dow
Corning 3452 valve lubricant. Aircraft Spruce pg. 164 in my cat. Not inexpensive
but lubricates the o-ring and the mechanical mechanism and repels the water
very well.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/lubricant.html
This product is also sold thru bearing and transmission supply stores so you may
be able to buy it locally.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
"RTV will literally melt/dissolve/become mushy in fuel."
By RTV I assume you are talking about general purpose room temperature vulcanizing
silicone sealants.
Your statement is not true of fluorosilicone sealants. I have two pieces of aluminum
bonded together with Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant immersed in 100LL in a
glass jar for 6 years and there is no indication of degradation of the sealant.
This is my test piece as I used it to seal wing inspection covers. It will
be much easier to remove for the MSB than the Proseal.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | This dang mand SB. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
Here is the short email I sent to support at vans, why dont more of you send in
your thoughts? Charlie H
Hiya, Cant imagine lyc, or any cert plane builder putting out such a harsh and
unwaranted manditory bulitin, for heavens sake, 2 incidents out of several thousand
flying planes, and they had ample warning of the problem.Think this thing
thru and resind / reissue under conditions warranted by this tiny percentage
problem. Charles Heathco RV6a
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| Subject: | Re: 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
You don't want to do any 4130 welds with a cheap flux core MIG welder. If
you're only going to weld small projects you are better off with a small
oxy/acetylene gas torch such as the Meco Midget. Personally I have a Meco
and a Miller TIG welder. 90% of the time I use the TIG because I flip the
switch, turn on the gas and I'm ready to go. With the TIG welder I also
have a stick electrode holder, and go that route if I need to weld something
dirty or something that isn't easy to maneuver around. If I have to weld a
large area or something vertical I take it over to my buddy's place and use
his Millermatic MIG. If you decide to go MIG then don't go with the flux
wire, use argon/CO2 mix gas, you will be much happier with the quality of
your welds.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 2/27/06, jacklockamy <jacklockamy@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
>
> Can anyone recommend at good 120-volt welder (flux cored arc welding
> (FCAW) - gasless) for a hobbyist or for small projects at the hangar?
>
> I took a college course in welding years ago and tried to make "puddles"
> with a stick welder and needless to say... it was a challenge. I would like
> to buy a small welder for the hangar to weld 1/8" steel tube or
> chromoly(sp?) easily should I choose start another project (tube/fabric) in
> the future. I've been told welding with 'wire feed' is much easier than
> stick.
>
> Any recommendations for a good, reasonably priced 120-volt welder would be
> most appreciated?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack Lockamy
> Camarillo, CA
> RV-7A 150 hrs
> www.jacklockamy.com
> jacklockamy@verizon.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 120-volt welder for home/hangar use... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
When I worked as a weldor I used Lincoln and Miller welding machines. I usually
had more Millers than Lincolns, but both brands are good machines.
The Miller 120 V MIG welder is a Millermatic 135.
Lincoln has a SP-135T and a SP-135 Plus.
I continue to buy my welding supplies from Munn Supply (580) 234-4120 Enid, OK,
as he is a long time friend, completive with internet sites and is experienced
in supplying and supporting out of state weldors. I am sure there are dealers
in your area that can also take care of your needs.
Lincoln had a booth at the Reno Air Races with a sample of their machines, and
factory representatives were there to demonstrate their equipment. You may
want an excuse to go to air event, and want to support those who support aviation.
Although MIG welding requires less weldor technique as the Shielding gas rate,
Voltage and Amperage (wire speed) are set with a dial, bad welds can be produced
using any welding method.
Sherman Butler
Idaho Falls, ID
RV 7a Empennage
jacklockamy <jacklockamy@verizon.net> wrote:
Can anyone recommend at good 120-volt welder (flux cored arc welding (FCAW) - gasless)
for a hobbyist or for small projects at the hangar?
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Dale,
Where do ya' order the Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant ? I bent my tank inspection
plates tryin' to take 'em off after 3 years of being "Pro-sealed".
Chuck
Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
"RTV will literally melt/dissolve/become mushy in fuel."
By RTV I assume you are talking about general purpose room temperature vulcanizing
silicone sealants.
Your statement is not true of fluorosilicone sealants. I have two pieces of aluminum
bonded together with Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant immersed in 100LL in a
glass jar for 6 years and there is no indication of degradation of the sealant.
This is my test piece as I used it to seal wing inspection covers. It will be
much easier to remove for the MSB than the Proseal.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
You are correct, I was referring to room temp. vulcanizing. Which specific
fluorosilicone sealant are you referring to from the list?
http://www.nusil.com/Engineering-Silicones/Aircraft/AircraftProducts.aspx?SCID=12
Thanks.
Indiana Larry, RV7 "SunSeeker" 90+ hours flying
"Please use the information and opinions I express with responsibility, and
at your own risk."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> "RTV will literally melt/dissolve/become mushy in fuel."
>
> By RTV I assume you are talking about general purpose room temperature
> vulcanizing silicone sealants.
> Your statement is not true of fluorosilicone sealants. I have two pieces
> of aluminum bonded together with Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant immersed in
> 100LL in a glass jar for 6 years and there is no indication of degradation
> of the sealant. This is my test piece as I used it to seal wing inspection
> covers. It will be much easier to remove for the MSB than the Proseal.
> Dale Ensing
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Sorry but I can't allow Jack to take the Rocket up to your neck of the
woods. I would not want to be responsible in your deciding to change your
RV-8 to a Super 8. It would slow down your building process.
Lucky for you but neither Jack or I drink beer. So we would be cheap
guests. (I do require a separate bed. There are just somethings I don't
share with Jack). :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> Sure, Jack, come on up. But I'll still need to do that flight
> testing, from the front seat so I can reach the fuel selector just in
> case. But I'll supply as much beer as you can drink + a free bedroom
> during the time it takes me to fly off that 25 hours. That's all
> the beer _you_ can drink. I'm not sure I can afford Tom :)
>
> Kevin
>
> do not archive
>
> On 27 Feb 2006, at 21:57, JOHN STARN wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>>
>> Would ya also make this offer to Rocket HRII owners too ? ?
>> Do your rates include warm beers whilst we wait. 8*) (aka JACK)
>> KABONG
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB
>>
>>
>>> Bring your plane up here, and I'll do the job for you. I'll need to
>>> do 25 or 30 hours of flight testing to be sure the pickups are
>>> working right when I'm done, but my rates are pretty low for RV
>>> owners :)
>>>
>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>> Ottawa, Canada
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | AET group buy on RV8/8A engine exhausts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Robert Sultzbach <endspeed@yahoo.com>
Hi guys,
I am currently in the process of putting together a
group buy for engine exhausts from AET. The buy at
this time is limited to the RV8/8A community. There
will be a good savings if we get enough people to join
the group buy but nothing is in concrete yet so I am
hesitant to post any numbers. If you are interested
please email me at endspeed at yahoo.com. I will
need your engine type/manufacturer/cowl and type of
exhaust you are interested in. For 8A folks, AET will
have a 4 into 1 exhaust within the next few months.
Thanks.
Bob Sultzbach
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I don't understand what you are saying re liability. VAC didn't build the airplane
so how can they be liable for someone who forgets to tighten a flare nut?
This whole thing is moronic. Every time something comes loose and some idiot
crashes are we going to have to go through this process? As for locking device:
that would be a flare nut wrench, the same type used on the rest of the fuel
system...........duh!
Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> I don't understand what you are saying re liability. VAC didn't
> build the airplane so how can they be liable for someone who
> forgets to tighten a flare nut? This whole thing is moronic.
> Every time something comes loose and some idiot crashes are we
> going to have to go through this process? As for locking device:
> that would be a flare nut wrench, the same type used on the rest of
> the fuel system...........duh!
I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
were tight too.
In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>> I don't understand what you are saying re liability. VAC didn't
>> build the airplane so how can they be liable for someone who
>> forgets to tighten a flare nut? This whole thing is moronic.
>> Every time something comes loose and some idiot crashes are we
>> going to have to go through this process? As for locking device:
>> that would be a flare nut wrench, the same type used on the rest of
>> the fuel system...........duh!
>
> I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
> has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
> that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
> perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
> there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
> they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
> loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
> were tight too.
>
> In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
> long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
> our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
> better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
> setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
Kevin raises some excellent and valid points (as usual).
As part of the hysteria this SB has generated, some statements have been
made about the ominous ramifications of this SB on potential insurance
claims. However, these statements seem to be made by individuals who
THINK there will be insurance problems if the SB isn't complied with. In
spite of calls from some listers for input from the insurance industry,
there is an interesting amount of silence from the carriers concerning
this matter. And I suspect this silence will continue since enforcing
experimental SB's opens an almost unfathomable can of worms.
The fuel pickup SB is not the first service bulletin to be issued by
Vans. Matter of fact, this is the sixteenth SB to be issued on RV's! I
don't recall hearing the wailing and gnashing of teeth about insurance
problems when the other SB's were issued, and I haven't heard anything
about insurance payout difficulties concerning previous SB's.
Maybe it would be good to take a deep breath, allow the blood pressure
to descend, and hold off on the dubious statements about the veracity of
Mr. Van and his service bulletin. I suspect there is sufficient
ambiguity in the FAA's interpretation of SB applicability to
experimental aircraft to make it very, very difficult for insurance
carriers to link claim payments to SB's. As has been pointed out
previously, but somewhat drowned out in the noise, is the non-binding
nature of experimental (or certificated) service bulletins.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
I don't remember who or when this issue came up before, but it has. Way
back when I was building my -6, there was some discussion about this issue
somewhere, I just don't remember when. I do however remember it, because it
caused me to use a bit of proseal on my flare nuts when installing
them....and Lord knows with my laziness I wouln't have volutarily done any
extra work if there wasn't a reason for it...either someone suggested it
online, or told me about it - either way there was a reason I did that.
Cheers,
Stein.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG
>
>I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
>has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
>that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
>perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
>there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
>they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
>loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
>were tight too.
>
>In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
>long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
>our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
>better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
>setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
>
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>> I don't understand what you are saying re liability. VAC didn't
>> build the airplane so how can they be liable for someone who
>> forgets to tighten a flare nut? This whole thing is moronic.
>> Every time something comes loose and some idiot crashes are we
>> going to have to go through this process? As for locking device:
>> that would be a flare nut wrench, the same type used on the rest of
>> the fuel system...........duh!
>
> I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
> has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
> that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
> perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
> there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
> they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
> loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
> were tight too.
>
> In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
> long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
> our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
> better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
> setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
I agree with Kevin's point of view completely, I've had a hard time figuring
out what all the backlash is about too. A couple of further thoughts... as
the manufacturer of the aircraft you don't have to ground your bird
instantly, just put it on your list to get to at some reasonable point in
the future, perhaps when you take it out of service for some other
maintenance. In the mean time be aware of the potential problem and look for
any signs of it.
There are two legal reasons why you want to comply at some point...
insurance and sale of the aircraft. If you file an insurance claim for an
accident that was clearly due to some other factor I'm sure the insurance
company will pay. Of course if it's a fuel exhaustion accident of any kind
they would fight it. Secondly, if you ever sell your plane any new owner
will naturally want any/all SBs complied with.
Lastly, for the newer RV-7/8/9 style wings, you might consider taking the
wings off to give yourself easy access. Although it might seem like a lot of
work it really doesn't take that long, at least on an -8 -- been there, done
that.
FWIW,
Randy Lervold
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Just another point of reference on this issue: There are minority of folks
out there who did not go the Van's route on this. Personally, I didn't like
the idea of the pick-up tubes...so I riveted a 1/4" thick piece of aluminum
as a doubler on to the inboard fuel tank rib, in the rear near the tank
drain and located inside the tank. Again, this doubler was riveted to the
lower inboard corner of the fuel tank and was maybe 2" X 3" X 1/4", just
enough to enable drilling a hole and tapping for the fitting that contains
the finger screen pick-up (Aircraft Spruce sells it). I consider this to be
the lowest point in the tank and the finger screen extends just over the
tank drain. From this fitting, I ran my fuel line through the fuse directly
to the fuel selector valve. I added rubber grommets at the fuse, and some
minor bends in the line for bending moments. None of this is rocket science
and for the life of me I can't figure out why Vans went with the tubes. I
think there was actually an article in the RVator about doing it this way,
not sure though. Another advantage is that at condition-inspection time, you
can simply pull the finger screens and take a look, but I have never found
anything yet.
It has worked for me so I thought I would pass it on for those who haven't
gotten that far yet.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7
=====================================================================
I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
were tight too.
In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Reference my previous post on fuel pick-up finger screens, I found the
article in the RVator (10/93) also it is in "18 Years of the RV-ator," page
57. First published in the Pugent Sound RVator, Vans reprinted it for "your
consideration." Having done it both ways, I like this system better, but
your mileage may vary.
Pat Hatch
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Could you post or locate a sketch? For my next RV ...
Steve Soule
Vermont N227RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Just another point of reference on this issue: There are minority of folks
out there who did not go the Van's route on this. Personally, I didn't like
the idea of the pick-up tubes...so I riveted a 1/4" thick piece of aluminum
as a doubler on to the inboard fuel tank rib, in the rear near the tank
drain and located inside the tank. Again, this doubler was riveted to the
lower inboard corner of the fuel tank and was maybe 2" X 3" X 1/4", just
enough to enable drilling a hole and tapping for the fitting that contains
the finger screen pick-up (Aircraft Spruce sells it). I consider this to be
the lowest point in the tank and the finger screen extends just over the
tank drain. From this fitting, I ran my fuel line through the fuse directly
to the fuel selector valve. I added rubber grommets at the fuse, and some
minor bends in the line for bending moments. None of this is rocket science
and for the life of me I can't figure out why Vans went with the tubes. I
think there was actually an article in the RVator about doing it this way,
not sure though. Another advantage is that at condition-inspection time, you
can simply pull the finger screens and take a look, but I have never found
anything yet.
It has worked for me so I thought I would pass it on for those who haven't
gotten that far yet.
Pat Hatch
RV-4
RV-6
RV-7
=====================================================================
I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
were tight too.
In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Pat Hatch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
> Just another point of reference on this issue: There are minority of folks
> out there who did not go the Van's route on this. Personally, I didn't like
> the idea of the pick-up tubes...so I riveted a 1/4" thick piece of aluminum
> as a doubler on to the inboard fuel tank rib, in the rear near the tank
> drain and located inside the tank. Again, this doubler was riveted to the
> lower inboard corner of the fuel tank and was maybe 2" X 3" X 1/4", just
> enough to enable drilling a hole and tapping for the fitting that contains
> the finger screen pick-up (Aircraft Spruce sells it).
<snip>
And this is precisely why the insurance companies can't penalize
"non-compliers" of a service bulletin! We are dealing with experimental
aircraft, built by individuals in thousands of diverse shops, not on a
manufacturer's assembly line.
If somebody wants to take the position than an insurance company won't
pay a claim on an accident involving a fuel pickup that doesn't comply
with a service bulletin, then our friend Pat is in big trouble since he
isn't even using the Vans pickup! And not only Pat, but anyone else who
has rudder pedals that don't comply with Vans SB, or a flap motor that
wasn't returned to the factory per the SB, or an RV-4 that doesn't have
a reinforced seat per the SB.
So what defines a "complying RV"? There is no such thing since every RV
is a unique aircraft constructed by a unique manufacturer, otherwise
known affectionately as an "experimental aircraft". :-)
If a builder/owner wishes to comply with Vans's various SB's, fine. But
the condemnation a perfectly good aircraft to insurance purgatory
because of failure to comply to a SB is a move that is yet to be
demonstrated in actual practice by the insurance industry.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> and for the life of me I can't figure out why Vans went with the tubes. I
Probably because if there's a leak, it won't leak ALL of your fuel!
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | GNS-530 vrs MX-20 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
Hello All,
I posted this to the Avionics-List and thought this
group might be a good help. I have been planning on
installing a Garmin GNS-530 for quite some time, and
before I make the final commitment I want to address one
final option; installing instead an MX-20 with all the
appropriate additions to render the same functions as
the 530. To make this an apples-to-apples (sort of)
comparison, I am making the assumption that I would
install a nav/com and GPS with the MX-20.
I am building a tandem 2-place (Harmon Rocket) with the
primary mission statement of fun cross-country work. I
want to minimize pilot workload and maximize safety and
fun. I desire to have weather and may install traffic
at a later time. Given the limited panel space of the
Rocket; I only want one "screen"; either the 530 or
MX-20. I am also partial to round gages and am not
interested in large displays for everything (I know this
is a debatable subject and this is my preference).
The reason for this query is that I have heard the 530
has barely enough computing power to handle weather and
that the MX-20 does this much better and with a better
display. The MX-20 is also a better platform to make
changes to later on.
So my questions are:
1) any suggestions on the best equipment to integrate
with the MX-20 to allow its function to match that of
the 530 ??
2) any input on which of these options offers the best
performance ??
3) any input on which of these options offers the most
flexibility ??
4) any input on which of these options offers the
easiest use ??
Thanks a ton in advance !!!!
--
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA Harmon Rocket II
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| Subject: | Jihostroj Governor Control Arm |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
I have a Whirlwind prop and a Jihostroj Governor on my RV-6A. The prop
control cable came from Van's and provides a one and three quarter inch
movement from full fine to full increase. However, the cable will only
move the governor control arm through about 2/3s of its arc. There is
only one hole on the control arm to attach the cable, so no adjustment
is available. Whirlwind didn't seem to know of any problems.
Do any of you RVers with a Whirlwind prop and a Jihostroj governor have
a similar problem? It has been suggested that a full increase prop is
never used, so there is no prolem. Any comments or fix suggestions?
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ... for the life of me I can't figure out why Vans went with the tubes. ...
It seems he did use this method on the RV-10.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jihostroj Governor Control Arm |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Same deal on my setup. Been flying like that for about 830 hours. I've had
no trouble running at any desired RPM in flight.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Brame" <chasb@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RV-List: Jihostroj Governor Control Arm
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
>
> I have a Whirlwind prop and a Jihostroj Governor on my RV-6A. The prop
> control cable came from Van's and provides a one and three quarter inch
> movement from full fine to full increase. However, the cable will only
> move the governor control arm through about 2/3s of its arc. There is
> only one hole on the control arm to attach the cable, so no adjustment
> is available. Whirlwind didn't seem to know of any problems.
>
> Do any of you RVers with a Whirlwind prop and a Jihostroj governor have
> a similar problem? It has been suggested that a full increase prop is
> never used, so there is no prolem. Any comments or fix suggestions?
>
> Charlie Brame
> RV-6A N11CB
> San Antonio
>
>
>
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| Subject: | I have never seeing so many sb |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEING SO MANY POSTINGS AS THE ONE
FOR THE S.B. TANKS..
WHO CARES... ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING , AND HOWLING .. DON'T DO IT.
NO ONE IS FORCING ANY ONE TO DO IT..
I DID MINE, THIS PAST WEEK END. I HAVE HAD TO REMOVE ONE TANK BEFORE
DUE TO A FUEL LEAK... NO BIG DEAL..
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NEW EXCITING THINGS, OF FLYING OUR RV'S..
WHAT IS THE NEW GADGET/
BERT
RV6a
definitely do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I have never seeing so many sb |
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
I'm with Bert....anyone else
Charlie Ennis
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| Subject: | I have never seeing so many sb |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" <rmccraw@s4t.net>
Let's not take a vote. Let's just move on.
Rick
RV-7
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of c.ennis
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: I have never seeing so many sb
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
I'm with Bert....anyone else
Charlie Ennis
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank service bulletin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Peter,
Kudos! Best and most thoughtful response yet.
Jerry Cochran
From: "Peter Blake" <pblake@epix.net>
Subject: RV-List: Fuel tank service bulletin
--> RV-List message posted by: "Peter Blake" <pblake@epix.net>
Here's the letter and e-mail I sent to Van.
February 27, 2006
Dear Van,
I was very surprised and disappointed on seeing your Mandatory Service
Bulletin requiring fuel tank changes. In my case, I have capacitive probes
for fuel quantity measurement, and no inspection plate to remove. Even if I
did have plates, theres less than a 2 gap between the wing skins and
fuselage of my RV6. I wont whine about tearing up very expensive paint, or
removing the wings to get at the tank, or even that this may cause an
insurance problem if I fail to do it. Instead, I question your logic and
your process of issuing this bulletin.
<SNIP>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Well said Sam. Vans doesn't recommend a few engine combinations we use
either BUT you are the manufacture. Some builders use different wing tips,
fuel delivery systems.....filters vs. gas collators is another example.
The insurance companies acknowledge the risk of no two experimental
aircraft being exactly alike and their premiums already reflect this. If
Vans didn't build Quick Builds I doubt you would have seen any "CYA
Recommendations" from them as "They" built those tanks.
Tom in Ohio RV6-A (362CT)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Kevin Horton wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>>> I don't understand what you are saying re liability. VAC didn't
>>> build the airplane so how can they be liable for someone who
>>> forgets to tighten a flare nut? This whole thing is moronic.
>>> Every time something comes loose and some idiot crashes are we
>>> going to have to go through this process? As for locking device:
>>> that would be a flare nut wrench, the same type used on the rest of
>>> the fuel system...........duh!
>>
>> I have a hard time figuring out what ever one is whining about. Van
>> has an obligation to inform of us potential problems. He has done
>> that. Now itt is up to each owner to decide whether he wants to
>> perform the SB, or not. There have been at least three events, so
>> there will likely be more. Some guys don't want to do the SB because
>> they are sure their flare nuts are tight, and they will never come
>> loose. The guys who had the three events thought their flare nuts
>> were tight too.
>>
>> In aviation we need to learn from others' mistakes. We won't live
>> long if we have to make all the mistakes ourselves. If we just put
>> our head in the sand and say "It can't happen to me, because I'm a
>> better builder (or a better pilot) than that idiot.", then we are
>> setting ourselves up to have the same problem.
>
>
> Kevin raises some excellent and valid points (as usual).
>
> As part of the hysteria this SB has generated, some statements have been
> made about the ominous ramifications of this SB on potential insurance
> claims. However, these statements seem to be made by individuals who
> THINK there will be insurance problems if the SB isn't complied with. In
> spite of calls from some listers for input from the insurance industry,
> there is an interesting amount of silence from the carriers concerning
> this matter. And I suspect this silence will continue since enforcing
> experimental SB's opens an almost unfathomable can of worms.
>
> The fuel pickup SB is not the first service bulletin to be issued by
> Vans. Matter of fact, this is the sixteenth SB to be issued on RV's! I
> don't recall hearing the wailing and gnashing of teeth about insurance
> problems when the other SB's were issued, and I haven't heard anything
> about insurance payout difficulties concerning previous SB's.
>
> Maybe it would be good to take a deep breath, allow the blood pressure
> to descend, and hold off on the dubious statements about the veracity of
> Mr. Van and his service bulletin. I suspect there is sufficient
> ambiguity in the FAA's interpretation of SB applicability to
> experimental aircraft to make it very, very difficult for insurance
> carriers to link claim payments to SB's. As has been pointed out
> previously, but somewhat drowned out in the noise, is the non-binding
> nature of experimental (or certificated) service bulletins.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Backup battery - Lightspeed EI |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
Fellow Listers:
I am contemplating converting my mag driven 0-360 to Lightspeed electronic
ignition. I may consider the dual Lightspeed installation. Lightspeed
calls for a 4.5 amp/hr backup battery (if I so choose). I need something
small and light to squeeze this installation in to my RV-4. For those that
have done this, what backup battery did you use?
Thanks
Doug Weiler
N722DW, 275 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Has anyone even considered the following: Van's sees a potential problem
that could affect the lives of pilots flying kit planes purchased from them.
So........they say, "Hum, yes there are several such fittings in an RV but
these in particular are probably never checked yearly as they can't be seen.
Hum, maybe we should "advise" the people out there to check these at their
next FAA required inspection. Joe chimes in "Hum, what if that Doe fellow
bores a hole in the ground when the nut he thought was tight 5 years ago
come loose and his lonely wife has a friend of a friend who know this guy
who heard of a lawyer that is really good at what he does, never mind what
we think of him or whether we would invite him to a cookout?? Lonely wife
finds said "good" lawyer and good lawyer says, "heck yes, I'll take it and
you don't owe me a thing, I am doing this to protect the world from this guy
named Van, Vans, Vangruadorf...........however he spells his name" Hums,
says Van's.....we better say "Required", no better yet "Mandatory". You
know, we didn't like the way the 7 recovered from spins in the acro class so
we, being the nice people we are sent out rudders free of charge. See we
like to take care of our customers, so in light of our caring for our
customers we shall say "mandatory" because me's thinks people don't check
this nut and we have learned not to like said "good" lawyer!!
Long story short, just maybe, just maybe Van's Aircraft is actually looking
after us and covering their A$$ at the same time. I'm obviously not flying
but truly if I was, I'd get to it when I got too it, I'd just run of few
"tests" now and then and adjust my cross country flying accordingly.
I've got some things I need to prime and it's been awhile since I did any
priming.........rattle can is JUST as good as any double throw me down
Sherwin Williams out there!!!!!;-)
I think I'll do someone's taxes and see if I can make them pay........
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Backup battery - Lightspeed EI |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Doug,
I have the dual lightspeed set up with two batteries from B&C electronics.
It works good. However, I believe that Bill Bainbridge of B&C now has a set
up for one battery with a neat miniature standby alternator to fit on the
vacuum drive. He also has a wiring diagram to facilitate this set up.
This allows a weight savings and also eliminates periodic battery
replacement.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weiler" <dcw@mnwing.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: Backup battery - Lightspeed EI
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> I am contemplating converting my mag driven 0-360 to Lightspeed electronic
> ignition. I may consider the dual Lightspeed installation. Lightspeed
> calls for a 4.5 amp/hr backup battery (if I so choose). I need something
> small and light to squeeze this installation in to my RV-4. For those
> that
> have done this, what backup battery did you use?
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug Weiler
> N722DW, 275 hrs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GNS-530 vrs MX-20 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
Larry,
I fly a 530/430 combo daily in a C425 and love it. We have TAWS TCAS and WX
Weather included and it never lets me down. I have never used the MX, but
can certainly speak very highly about the Garmins. Going into high traffic
areas and changes to routing in the norm and the 530 makes it all very easy.
Robert
RVRC
RV4 upside down canoe
N516RC reserved
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
<rocket-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: GNS-530 vrs MX-20
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
>
> Hello All,
> I posted this to the Avionics-List and thought this
> group might be a good help. I have been planning on
> installing a Garmin GNS-530 for quite some time, and
> before I make the final commitment I want to address one
> final option; installing instead an MX-20 with all the
> appropriate additions to render the same functions as
> the 530. To make this an apples-to-apples (sort of)
> comparison, I am making the assumption that I would
> install a nav/com and GPS with the MX-20.
>
> I am building a tandem 2-place (Harmon Rocket) with the
> primary mission statement of fun cross-country work. I
> want to minimize pilot workload and maximize safety and
> fun. I desire to have weather and may install traffic
> at a later time. Given the limited panel space of the
> Rocket; I only want one "screen"; either the 530 or
> MX-20. I am also partial to round gages and am not
> interested in large displays for everything (I know this
> is a debatable subject and this is my preference).
>
> The reason for this query is that I have heard the 530
> has barely enough computing power to handle weather and
> that the MX-20 does this much better and with a better
> display. The MX-20 is also a better platform to make
> changes to later on.
> So my questions are:
> 1) any suggestions on the best equipment to integrate
> with the MX-20 to allow its function to match that of
> the 530 ??
> 2) any input on which of these options offers the best
> performance ??
> 3) any input on which of these options offers the most
> flexibility ??
> 4) any input on which of these options offers the
> easiest use ??
>
> Thanks a ton in advance !!!!
> --
> Larry E. James
> Bellevue, WA Harmon Rocket II
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel cap water protection? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mts.net>
> It seems to me that there is another issue a work here: the elasticity
> of the
> "O" rings at low temps. I seem to remember listings (that should be in the
> archives) that address this problem. If I remember correctly, Van
> utilizes
> "O" rings that are not intended for low temperature operation.
In cold weather I find it really helps to let the o-rings sit for a minute
or two after loosening before you try to remove the the caps. Flip the tabs
up, push down on the mechanism until you feed the bottom cone pop loose, and
then just let them sit so the o-ring can gradually relax.
I completely trashed one of my original caps trying impatiently to get it
off at a -22C fuel stop in Fargo, ND. Both caps were both well gummed up
with Fuel Lube, and that certainly is NOT the way to go for cold weather. I
installed my replacement caps from Van's as they came out of the box with no
additional lube, and they've been working pretty well but they still take a
little prying to get them out below -15C or so.
I think there might be a temperature below which they just aren't coming out
at all, lube or no lube. I'd be concerned about stopping for fuel where
it's -25C or colder. Not that I fly much in those temps, but it's not
unusual for these parts.
Curt
RV-6 375 hrs
Winnipeg
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Great test, Dale...I look forward to your continued
findings...but, if it were me, I'd bet you won't find
anyting different in another 6 years. Proseal??
Paul Besing
--- Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> "RTV will literally melt/dissolve/become mushy in
> fuel."
>
> By RTV I assume you are talking about general
> purpose room temperature vulcanizing silicone
> sealants.
> Your statement is not true of fluorosilicone
> sealants. I have two pieces of aluminum bonded
> together with Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant immersed
> in 100LL in a glass jar for 6 years and there is no
> indication of degradation of the sealant. This is my
> test piece as I used it to seal wing inspection
> covers. It will be much easier to remove for the MSB
> than the Proseal.
> Dale Ensing
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GNS-530 vrs MX-20 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
My 2 cents...a GNS480 and MX20 are a super pair..otherwise a GNS-430 is ok,
but the 480 has a lot more "schtuff" in it than the 430 (like being WAAS).
I can attest, the traffic is really nice to have in busy airspaces!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Cutter
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GNS-530 vrs MX-20
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert Cutter" <rcutter@cupower.com>
Larry,
I fly a 530/430 combo daily in a C425 and love it. We have TAWS TCAS and WX
Weather included and it never lets me down. I have never used the MX, but
can certainly speak very highly about the Garmins. Going into high traffic
areas and changes to routing in the norm and the 530 makes it all very easy.
Robert
RVRC
RV4 upside down canoe
N516RC reserved
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
<rocket-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: GNS-530 vrs MX-20
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry E. James" <larry@ncproto.com>
>
> Hello All,
> I posted this to the Avionics-List and thought this
> group might be a good help. I have been planning on
> installing a Garmin GNS-530 for quite some time, and
> before I make the final commitment I want to address one
> final option; installing instead an MX-20 with all the
> appropriate additions to render the same functions as
> the 530. To make this an apples-to-apples (sort of)
> comparison, I am making the assumption that I would
> install a nav/com and GPS with the MX-20.
>
> I am building a tandem 2-place (Harmon Rocket) with the
> primary mission statement of fun cross-country work. I
> want to minimize pilot workload and maximize safety and
> fun. I desire to have weather and may install traffic
> at a later time. Given the limited panel space of the
> Rocket; I only want one "screen"; either the 530 or
> MX-20. I am also partial to round gages and am not
> interested in large displays for everything (I know this
> is a debatable subject and this is my preference).
>
> The reason for this query is that I have heard the 530
> has barely enough computing power to handle weather and
> that the MX-20 does this much better and with a better
> display. The MX-20 is also a better platform to make
> changes to later on.
> So my questions are:
> 1) any suggestions on the best equipment to integrate
> with the MX-20 to allow its function to match that of
> the 530 ??
> 2) any input on which of these options offers the best
> performance ??
> 3) any input on which of these options offers the most
> flexibility ??
> 4) any input on which of these options offers the
> easiest use ??
>
> Thanks a ton in advance !!!!
> --
> Larry E. James
> Bellevue, WA Harmon Rocket II
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Dale, Do you mean the tank inspection covers?
Sherman Butler
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Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
"RTV will literally melt/dissolve/become mushy in fuel."
By RTV I assume you are talking about general purpose room temperature vulcanizing
silicone sealants.
Your statement is not true of fluorosilicone sealants. I have two pieces of aluminum
bonded together with Dow Corning 730 RTV sealant immersed in 100LL in a
glass jar for 6 years and there is no indication of degradation of the sealant.
This is my test piece as I used it to seal wing inspection covers. It will be
much easier to remove for the MSB than the Proseal.
Dale Ensing
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Backup battery - Lightspeed EI |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bresnan.net>
Doug
This is the one I'll be using:
http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonicdetail.cfm?Model=3DPS-1252&tbl=3DPowerSonicSLA12v
Mauri Morin
Polson, MT
RV-8 N808M (reserved)
C180 N2125Z Flying
SEMPER FI
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank SB (it's easy) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I bought mine from Vans. When mixed properly, and shown respect for its age
> and the temperature environment it was stored in I had excellent results.
Hi Larry,
Was your "proseal" in the caulk tube or in the can?
Mine was in the tube. I've got a picture of the label
here:
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20040726220023545
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Quick rv7 rudder question |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
So I looked for what seemed to be like forever and cannot figure out what
type of rivet is used to connect R-912 (the counter balance rib) to R-902
(spar) anybody have the drawings handy?
Thanks,
David Karlsberg
Rudder -7
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank SB. Someone please talk to Richard VG |
--> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Dana
Dana Overall wrote:
>snip -- Van's sees a potential problem that could affect the lives of pilots
flying kit planes purchased from them. ------------- what if that fellow bores
a hole in the ground when the nut he thought was tight 5 years ago
>come loose --------------------
>
>
>
Van's tech support people have been telling people that Van's "has
assumed owners are checking these fittings at every annual". If that was
the case why would they not give some consideration in the bulletin for
someone who had just done his annual.
I don't mind Van's covering their a--, but it should be done with some
consideration and forethought for their customers.
Instead of the "before further flight", wouldn't a SB (1) requiring a
placard (change tanks in event of power loss dummy) and /or (2) minimum
fuel 1/2 tank until inspection completed have been better.
So lets hope Van hires a new SB writer, maybe someone from Lycoming who
will not use the "allegedly" word.
George in Langley BC
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