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1. 03:49 AM - Re: E-mag/P-Mag Please Explain! (auto vs A/C plugs) (Fred Stucklen)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: sorted/searchable parts list for the -7? (Kevin Horton)
3. 04:35 AM - Posible AD for ALL O-360 cranks (charles heathco)
4. 04:47 AM - Re: Prince P-tip prop (Dale Ensing)
5. 04:48 AM - Re: sorted/searchable parts list for the -7? INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 (Bob Collins)
6. 09:50 AM - Re: Prince P-tip prop (Jeff Point)
7. 01:57 PM - Weekly newsletter idea (Bob Collins)
8. 02:34 PM - Re: Weekly newsletter idea (Dan Checkoway)
9. 02:56 PM - Re: Weekly newsletter idea (Bob Collins)
10. 03:05 PM - Sealing tank inspection covers (Richard Dudley)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Kyle Boatright)
12. 05:27 PM - Titeseal was Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Ed Anderson)
13. 05:51 PM - Kx-125 Instulation Manual (Larry Wiley)
14. 05:53 PM - Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Rick Galati)
15. 06:11 PM - Question for Canadians concerning inspections (Carl Kristensen)
16. 06:17 PM - Re: Weekly newsletter idea (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 06:32 PM - Re: Titeseal was Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Richard Dudley)
18. 06:41 PM - Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Vanremog@aol.com)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Titeseal was Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Ed Anderson)
20. 07:08 PM - Re: Titeseal was Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (james frierson)
21. 11:24 PM - Re: Re: Sealing tank inspection covers (Mickey Coggins)
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Cc: <dan@rvproject.com>
| Subject: | Re: E-mag/P-Mag Please Explain! (auto vs A/C plugs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fred Stucklen" <wstucklen1@cox.net>
IMHO, not so much good marketing mumbo jumbo... An engine with an
electronic ignition that
senses only once per revolution can not be hand propped. An engine with
an electronic ignition
that always knows where on a revolution it is at, can be hand
propped....
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Additionally, the Lightspeed system knows where the crank
> is once per revolution. In between that position, it imputes
the
> position of the crank. The P-Mag/E-Mag system knows wher
> the crank is at all times and can be programmed more precisely
> because of this.
That's some good marketing mumbo jumbo. ;-) Sure, I suppose at
IDLE or
extremely slow engine speeds the system would benefit from having
finer
granularity. Lightspeed has two magnets in the flywheel, at least
on the
crank position sensor that uses flywheel magnets. Knowing where
the crank
is twice per revolution, at anything over idle speed, is not
exactly rocket
science. At 2400 RPM, that's 4800 magnet passes per minute or 80
passes per
second. Maybe not the extremely fine granularity that other
sensors would
provide, but is it really necessary, when all you're doing is a
simple
lookup map between engine speed and manifold pressure?
Just playing devil's advocate.
do not archive
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: sorted/searchable parts list for the -7? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 10 Mar 2006, at 22:48, Charlie England wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
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> Hi guys,
>
> I have a vague memory of someone offering a parts list in an orderly
> format (excel?) but all I can find in the archives back through
> 2000 is
> mention of one for an -8.
>
> Has anyone loaded one for the -7 into a searchable/sortable list?
There is a -7A parts spreadsheet in the Downloads section of the VAF
WWW site:
http://www.vansairforce.net/faq.htm
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Posible AD for ALL O-360 cranks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
I read on aityher Av-web, Eaa, or Aopa newsleter yesterday that Faa was considering
extending the Crank AD to ALL these engines and were seeking input. I have
a 320
so didnt think much about it, but seems many of folks are running 360 and some
540's so thought I would give heads up as didnt see any post about it here today.
(Im on the digest only) Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Prince P-tip prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Tom,
A light weight prop on a 6 or 7 will not allow full use of the baggage weight allowance.
Have compared a friend's 7A with a wood prop to my 6A with O-360 and Hartzell C/S.
I can put the full 100 lbs. in the baggage area with no CG problem. He cannot.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | sorted/searchable parts list for the -7? INNOCENT GLOBAL |
0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Bob, I'd like to add it to the files section of the RV Builders Group to go
alongside the 7a spreadsheet. Please send me a copy at
bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net.
Thanks
Bob
St. Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:30 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: sorted/searchable parts list for the
> -7? INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
>
> Charlie,
> I just bit the bullet and Hand entered the -9 Fuselage parts
> list in an Excell spread sheet. If you were building a -9 I
> would send you what I have.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
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> Hi guys,
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> I have a vague memory of someone offering a parts list in an
> orderly format (excel?) but all I can find in the archives
> back through 2000 is mention of one for an -8.
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> Has anyone loaded one for the -7 into a searchable/sortable list?
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> Thanks,
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> Charlie
> (fuselage inventory commencing)
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| Subject: | Re: Prince P-tip prop |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
This is true, however you can help the situation with a Landoll balancer
ring. This is a heavy steel ring which bolts to the flywheel. It moves
the CG forward, and adds inertia to the light prop as well. Weight is
about 12 lbs and cost was around $100, IIRC.
MARK LANDOLL 405-392-3847 STARTERS, MASS/DAMPING RINGS, ALTERNATORS
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee
>A light weight prop on a 6 or 7 will not allow full use of the baggage weight
allowance.
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| Subject: | Weekly newsletter idea |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
So there I was sitting at the quarterly meeting of the Minnesota Wing of
Van's Air Force this morning listening to Dick Martin talk and thinking,
"man, this is good, lots of folks should hear about this." And then there
was talk of the service bulletin, and some other folks had good information.
And this morning I browsed a bunch of Web sites from Matronics to VAF to
Yahoo to EAA to builder sites -- just like everyone else does -- and thought
"it would be nice to have a quick summary that highlights the stuff that's
going on in the RV world....referring people to the proper forums, podcasts,
message boards, mailing lists and Web sites from whence they came.
So now there is? RV Builder's Hotline. Delivered every Saturday morning to
your inbox. No charge. No advertising. No privacy violations.
Just because.
Here's the Web site sample. But it will only be available by e-mail in HTML
or PDF format (please stipulate).
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/rvbuildernewsletter.htm
And if you have something you'd like to highlight (especially if it's
published elsewhere and you just need folks to find it, send it along)
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: Weekly newsletter idea |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Isn't this exactly along the lines of what Doug does on
www.vansairforce.net? Anything "newsworthy" in the RV scene usually appears
there... A little collaboration on your part might save a lot of people
having to look in multiple places.
And if you recorded the talks, like the one Dick Martin did, you could stick
'em up on Doug's site under "RV Talk" for the world to hear...
http://www.vansairforce.net/rvtalk.htm
Just my 2 cents. I have too many "things" to follow as it is.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> So there I was sitting at the quarterly meeting of the Minnesota Wing of
> Van's Air Force this morning listening to Dick Martin talk and thinking,
> "man, this is good, lots of folks should hear about this." And then there
> was talk of the service bulletin, and some other folks had good
> information.
> And this morning I browsed a bunch of Web sites from Matronics to VAF to
> Yahoo to EAA to builder sites -- just like everyone else does -- and
> thought
> "it would be nice to have a quick summary that highlights the stuff that's
> going on in the RV world....referring people to the proper forums,
> podcasts,
> message boards, mailing lists and Web sites from whence they came.
>
> So now there is? RV Builder's Hotline. Delivered every Saturday morning to
> your inbox. No charge. No advertising. No privacy violations.
>
> Just because.
>
> Here's the Web site sample. But it will only be available by e-mail in
> HTML
> or PDF format (please stipulate).
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/rvbuildernewsletter.htm
>
> And if you have something you'd like to highlight (especially if it's
> published elsewhere and you just need folks to find it, send it along)
>
>
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
>
>
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| Subject: | Weekly newsletter idea |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Nobody's forcing anybody to do anything, Dan. And it's not meant to detract
from anyone's site and as good as VAF is, not everything is there,
especially with folks trying all sorts of new things and technologies.
It's meant to be what it says it is...a QUICK read of highlights. Hopefully
it'll be clean and efficient, help everyone find even more information on
ALL of the various places it may exist.
If folks don't find it useful, no harm no foul. They'll never see it nor be
bothered by it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:33 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
>
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Isn't this exactly along the lines of what Doug does on
> www.vansairforce.net? Anything "newsworthy" in the RV scene
> usually appears
> there... A little collaboration on your part might save a
> lot of people
> having to look in multiple places.
>
> And if you recorded the talks, like the one Dick Martin did,
> you could stick
> 'em up on Doug's site under "RV Talk" for the world to hear...
> http://www.vansairforce.net/rvtalk.htm
>
> Just my 2 cents. I have too many "things" to follow as it is.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:51 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
>
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> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
> > --> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> >
> > So there I was sitting at the quarterly meeting of the
> Minnesota Wing
> > of Van's Air Force this morning listening to Dick Martin talk and
> > thinking, "man, this is good, lots of folks should hear
> about this."
> > And then there was talk of the service bulletin, and some
> other folks
> > had good information. And this morning I browsed a bunch of
> Web sites
> > from Matronics to VAF to Yahoo to EAA to builder sites -- just like
> > everyone else does -- and thought
> > "it would be nice to have a quick summary that highlights
> the stuff that's
> > going on in the RV world....referring people to the proper forums,
> > podcasts,
> > message boards, mailing lists and Web sites from whence they came.
> >
> > So now there is? RV Builder's Hotline. Delivered every Saturday
> > morning to your inbox. No charge. No advertising. No privacy
> > violations.
> >
> > Just because.
> >
> > Here's the Web site sample. But it will only be available
> by e-mail in
> > HTML
> > or PDF format (please stipulate).
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/rvbuildernewsletter.htm
> >
> > And if you have something you'd like to highlight
> (especially if it's
> > published elsewhere and you just need folks to find it,
> send it along)
> >
> >
> > Bob Collins
> > St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
FWIW
If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
be of interest to you.
I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
On a related subject, I had a very bad time today with the button head hex
screws I planned to use to replace the Phillips head screws originally used
on the access covers. After stripping 3 of 'em (not fun extracting them
from inside the wing root), I switched back to the tried and true Phillips
head units and had no further problems.
Hopefully, others have a better experience with the button head hex screws
than I did.
Oh, yeah... If you thought proseal was a mess when you built your tank, it
is even more fun when you work with it in the wing root.
Finally, I *had* properly tightened and prosealed my fuel pick-ups when I
built the tanks 8 or so years ago. There is no way they would have ever
come loose. What this means is that in the last week, I have spent about
$100 bucks (new pick-ups, screws, proseal) and 8+ hours fixing a problem
that didn't exist on my airplane. My peace of mind is worth it, but if I'd
made the *right* construcion photo(s) or documented what I did in writing
(as opposed to fuzzy memories), I could have avoided the issue entirely.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sealing tank inspection covers
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> FWIW
>
> If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
> don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
> be of interest to you.
>
> I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
> a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
> I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
> assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
> Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
> coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
> plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
> screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
> compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
> and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
> leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
> filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
>
> During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
> Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
> lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
> both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
> for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
> assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Richard, did you use the light or medium weight titeseal compound?
Thanks
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sealing tank inspection covers
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> FWIW
>
> If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
> don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
> be of interest to you.
>
> I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
> a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
> I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
> assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
> Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
> coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
> plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
> screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
> compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
> and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
> leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
> filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
>
> During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
> Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
> lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
> both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
> for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
> assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
>
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| Subject: | Kx-125 Instulation Manual |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Wiley" <wiley@citynet.net>
Fellow RVers, I bought a used KX-125 nav -com for my new RV-7A but I have no
instillation manual for it. If anyone has one, please E-mail me at wiley@citynet.net.
Thanks, Larry Wiley
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Richard,
Your original trouble-free installation of the access covers with cork gaskets
using Titeseal and subsequent flying hours since is remarkably similiar in time
frame to my experience though my flying hours come in slightly higher at 113TT
since June 2005. I will comply with the SB shortly having just received fresh
cork gaskets from Van's. Its nice to know the old Titeseal cleans up readily
with acetone and I certainly plan to reinstall those access covers with Titeseal
again. Four years ago, I simply followed a suggestion offered in an Orndorff
construction video by using Titeseal as an alternative to proseal. After
reading so many (often colorful) posts of builders who used proseal, for a
while there I thought I was the only builder (besides George O.) who successfully
used Titeseal to attach those access covers. I'm happy to hear you too have
met with leak proof success on the fuel tanks using the same stuff.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
rhdudley(at)att.net wrote:
> FWIW
>
> If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
> don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
> be of interest to you.
>
> I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
> a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
> I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
> assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
> Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
> coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
> plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
> screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
> compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
> and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
> leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
> filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
>
> During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
> Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
> lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
> both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
> for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
> assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21114#21114
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| Subject: | Question for Canadians concerning inspections |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Carl Kristensen" <carlkristensen@rogers.com>
First off, I have been building a RV8 empennage and have been lurking on
this list for 6 months or so, and I have found it to be most helpful.
My question is for anyone who may have experience with the Canadian MD-RA
inspection system. I am told that I must leave components open for
inspection but no one is able to tell me exactly what that means. Does it
mean leaving a corner open with a few rivets out, or the entire side off?
The person manning MD-RA office is unable to answer this, and the inspector
in my area refuses to speak to builders.
Thanks for your help.
Carl
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| Subject: | Weekly newsletter idea |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Bob,
It's perfect. I for one like the simple format without being bombarded with
advertising that's found on that other site.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Nobody's forcing anybody to do anything, Dan. And it's not meant to detract from
anyone's site and as good as VAF is, not everything is there, especially with
folks trying all sorts of new things and technologies.
It's meant to be what it says it is...a QUICK read of highlights. Hopefully it'll
be clean and efficient, help everyone find even more information on ALL of
the various places it may exist.
If folks don't find it useful, no harm no foul. They'll never see it nor be bothered
by it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:33 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Isn't this exactly along the lines of what Doug does on
> www.vansairforce.net? Anything "newsworthy" in the RV scene usually
> appears there... A little collaboration on your part might save a lot
> of people having to look in multiple places.
>
> And if you recorded the talks, like the one Dick Martin did, you could
> stick 'em up on Doug's site under "RV Talk" for the world to hear...
> http://www.vansairforce.net/rvtalk.htm
>
> Just my 2 cents. I have too many "things" to follow as it is.
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:51 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Weekly newsletter idea
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
> > --> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> >
> > So there I was sitting at the quarterly meeting of the
> Minnesota Wing
> > of Van's Air Force this morning listening to Dick Martin talk and
> > thinking, "man, this is good, lots of folks should hear
> about this."
> > And then there was talk of the service bulletin, and some
> other folks
> > had good information. And this morning I browsed a bunch of
> Web sites
> > from Matronics to VAF to Yahoo to EAA to builder sites -- just like
> > everyone else does -- and thought "it would be nice to have a quick
> > summary that highlights
> the stuff that's
> > going on in the RV world....referring people to the proper forums,
> > podcasts, message boards, mailing lists and Web sites from whence
> > they came.
> >
> > So now there is? RV Builder's Hotline. Delivered every Saturday
> > morning to your inbox. No charge. No advertising. No privacy
> > violations.
> >
> > Just because.
> >
> > Here's the Web site sample. But it will only be available
> by e-mail in
> > HTML
> > or PDF format (please stipulate).
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/rvbuildernewsletter.htm
> >
> > And if you have something you'd like to highlight
> (especially if it's
> > published elsewhere and you just need folks to find it,
> send it along)
> >
> >
> > Bob Collins
> > St. Paul, Minn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Ed,
When I looked back at the ACS catalog, I saw the two consistencies of
Titeseal and realized that I couldn't remember which I used. My can of
Titeseal is at the hangar. If I can make it tomorrow, I will check it
and send an e-mail with that information. If I don't make it tomorrow,
I'll surely get there Monday. Sorry that I don't know off hand which and
hesitate to guess. Rick Galati responded with a comment that he also
used Titeseal successfully. Possibly he knows which version he used.
I'll get back to you with the info.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Ed Anderson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Richard, did you use the light or medium weight titeseal compound?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ed
>
>Ed Anderson
>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>Matthews, NC
>eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley@att.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:04 PM
>Subject: RV-List: Sealing tank inspection covers
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>>
>>FWIW
>>
>>If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
>>don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
>>be of interest to you.
>>
>>I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
>>a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
>>I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
>>assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
>>Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
>>coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
>>plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
>>screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
>>compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
>>and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
>>leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
>>filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
>>
>>During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
>>Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
>>lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
>>both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
>>for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
>>assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Richard Dudley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:44:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
kboatright1@comcast.net writes:
On a related subject, I had a very bad time today with the button head hex
screws I planned to use to replace the Phillips head screws originally used
on the access covers. After stripping 3 of 'em (not fun extracting them
from inside the wing root), I switched back to the tried and true Phillips
head units and had no further problems.
Hopefully, others have a better experience with the button head hex screws
than I did.
=================================================
Early in my career I learned that button head stainless steel screws of any
size are bad for use in a prevailing torque (locking) thread form, especially
that used in all-metal nutplates and Kaynars. Never mind the fact that
these threads are often over-crimped to produce an excessive locking torque in
their virgin condition, for which I always recommend Never-Seez (sp),
Molybdenum disulfide assembly lube or a similar anti-galling lubricant (Boelube,
Beeswax, etc.).
Because of the low profile head shape, the hex driving recesses in the ANSI
button head series fasteners are one increment smaller and shallower when
compared with the hex driving recesses used in the equivalent sized cap head
screw. This, combined with the soft 300 series stainless, allows their driving
recesses to "cam out" at a much lower torque. I would encourage builders to
stay with cap heads, pan or truss heads and use sealing head screws for the
access plates.
Having said all that, the button heads do look cool for mounting instruments
in your panel and the grass hopper nuts will receive them fine.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 777hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Ok, thanks Richard. No hurry Monday will be fine. I suspect it may be the
light but it would be nice to know for certain.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Titeseal was Re: RV-List: Sealing tank inspection covers
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> Ed,
> When I looked back at the ACS catalog, I saw the two consistencies of
> Titeseal and realized that I couldn't remember which I used. My can of
> Titeseal is at the hangar. If I can make it tomorrow, I will check it
> and send an e-mail with that information. If I don't make it tomorrow,
> I'll surely get there Monday. Sorry that I don't know off hand which and
> hesitate to guess. Rick Galati responded with a comment that he also
> used Titeseal successfully. Possibly he knows which version he used.
>
> I'll get back to you with the info.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>Richard, did you use the light or medium weight titeseal compound?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>Ed Anderson
>>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>>Matthews, NC
>>eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley@att.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:04 PM
>>Subject: RV-List: Sealing tank inspection covers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>>>
>>>FWIW
>>>
>>>If you haven't yet sealed your inspection plates onto your tanks or
>>>don't like using Pro Seal on your inspection plates, the following may
>>>be of interest to you.
>>>
>>>I originally sealed my tanks about four years ago. I've been flying for
>>>a year with about 75 hours on my RV-6A.
>>>I used the cork gaskets that were supplied with the wing kit. In the
>>>assembly process, I coated the seal area of inboard rib surface with
>>>Titeseal (that I purchased from ACS) and placed the cork gasket on the
>>>coated surface. I then coated inside mating surface of the inspection
>>>plate with the Titeseal and placed it on the gasket. I then inserted the
>>>screws and torqued them a moderate amount that resulted in a small
>>>compression of the gasket and extrusion of the Titeseal from the edges
>>>and around the screws. The original pressure test of the tanks showed no
>>>leaks around the inspection plate. After assembling the plane and
>>>filling the tanks, there were no fuel leaks around the plates.
>>>
>>>During the last few days, I removed the tanks to do the recent Service
>>>Bulletin. After removing the screws from the inspection plates, they
>>>lifted off without any effort. I then cleaned the old Tite-Seal from
>>>both the plate and the inboard rib with acetone. After doing the work
>>>for the SB, I then repeated the above procedures of Titeseal coating and
>>>assembly. The tanks are re-installed and filled with fuel with no leaks.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Richard Dudley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I recently remove the covers from my tanks and they came off easily. I had
forgotten that I had put NO sealer on the gaskets, only on the heads of the
screws. I then remembered this technique was suggested by my A&P friend who
works on helicopters for Chevron for a living. He said if I do it right I
would not need the sealant and it would come off easier if they had to be
removed. Turns out he was right as they had been on for about six years and
flying for two years leak free.
Scott
N162RV
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing tank inspection covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Your original trouble-free installation of the access covers with
> cork gaskets using Titeseal and subsequent flying hours since is
> remarkably similiar in time frame to my experience though my flying
> hours come in slightly higher at 113TT since June 2005.
What did you guys use to seal the screw heads?
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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