---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/13/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] (Mickey Coggins) 2. 07:30 AM - Torrance Noise abatement? (John DeCuir) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: Torrance Noise abatement? (Ron Lee) 4. 08:12 AM - Re: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] (Jim Anglin) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] (John Jessen) 6. 08:48 AM - FAB Dimensions (Matthew Brandes) 7. 09:14 AM - Re: FAB Dimensions (Ralph E. Capen) 8. 09:19 AM - Engine change (charles heathco) 9. 09:41 AM - capacitance probes and Dynon (joelrhaynes@aol.com) 10. 09:46 AM - Re: Engine change (Ron Lee) 11. 10:00 AM - Re: Engine change (Rhonda Bewley) 12. 10:20 AM - CP-214 Pneumatic Squeezer for sale (windsaloft@rmisp.com) 13. 12:41 PM - Re: FAB Dimensions (Matthew Brandes) 14. 01:09 PM - Re: CP-214 Pneumatic Squeezer for sale (Charlie England) 15. 01:29 PM - Squeezer sold... (windsaloft@rmisp.com) 16. 02:01 PM - Re: Torrance Noise abatement? (D.Bristol) 17. 06:55 PM - Aileron bearing (james frierson) 18. 07:25 PM - Building an engine to put in my 6a (charles heathco) 19. 08:30 PM - rv6a electric aileron trim wiring? (Jim Jewell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:53 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023&q=airbus > Very impressive. That video helps you understand why the a380 costs almost 300 million dollars. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:31 AM PST US From: John DeCuir Subject: RV-List: Torrance Noise abatement? --> RV-List message posted by: John DeCuir I need some advice from other un-muffled RV owners who fly in and out of TOA. I'm heading south for the Halibut Derby, and would like to park at TOA for a couple of nights while fishing. I heard that you can get fined for exceeding noise limits, but I was unable to find out how much it might cost if caught. I'm sure it's more than I want to pay. Anyway, My RV-4 has an O-320 with Vetterman's crossover system, and it's very loud. How do I get out of TOA without getting cited? Should I full power climb over the airport as steeply as possible, then pull it back by the boundary? Where are the sensors? John DeCuir RV-4, N204CP SNS, CA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:41 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Torrance Noise abatement? --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >I need some advice from other un-muffled RV owners who fly in and out >of TOA. Check here if no one knows: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTOA NOISE SENSITIVE AREA ALL QUADS. FOR NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES INFO CTC ARPT NOISE ABATEMENT (310) 784-7950 OR FREQ 122.9. CERTAIN TURBO JET ACFT PERMLY EXCLUDED. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:41 AM PST US From: "Jim Anglin" Subject: Re: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" Thanks for sharing that with us. I think that's one of the coolest videos I have ever seen. Jim Anglin HR II N144HR DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:35 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Apparently this is a shortened version of a longer video aired on TV? Does someone know how to access the longer version, if available? do not archive John Jessen RV-10 Emp -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Anglin Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" Thanks for sharing that with us. I think that's one of the coolest videos I have ever seen. Jim Anglin HR II N144HR DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:19 AM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: FAB Dimensions --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Listers... Does anyone have the Van's filtered airbox laying around that they could measure? I would like to know the length/width/height of the box and the general diameter of the box as well. I am trying to determine if it will fit within the scoop area of my SJ Cowl. I 'd like the dimensions for an O-320 Carb version and for the O-360 Carb version. Matthew Brandes, RV-9A - N523RV #90569 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:17 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: FAB Dimensions --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Check with the James folks - I think they have their own FAB unit for their cowl - cuz it's a bit tighter IIRC -----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Brandes >Sent: Mar 13, 2006 11:43 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: FAB Dimensions > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" > >Listers... > >Does anyone have the Van's filtered airbox laying around that they could measure? I would like to know the length/width/height of the box and the general diameter of the box as well. I am trying to determine if it will fit within the scoop area of my SJ Cowl. > >I 'd like the dimensions for an O-320 Carb version and for the O-360 Carb version. > >Matthew Brandes, >RV-9A - N523RV >#90569 >www.n523rv.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:35 AM PST US From: "charles heathco" Subject: RV-List: Engine change --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" I am thinking about engine change. Mine has "official" 2200hrs due to logs being reconstructed many years ago and I think thats unrealistly high. Jugs have about 800 truly loged. engine has absoluly no oil leaks, uses about 1 qt in 10/12 hrs, nothing sig in oil filt at my 25 hr changes,and runs like a top. good comp last Jul at cond insp by A&P. This A&P is also IA and RV-4 man. He thought I should OH or change out engine since its over TBO. I know of engines running far beyond TBO, and also take particular note about all the 0-360s crank AD, many Im sure with relativly low time.( My engine is 0-320E2A.) As I recall, orig builder that I bought it from, let the engine sit coupls years without running, and knew the history. Anyone have experience with this quandry? Im pretty much a "if it works dont fix it" kind of guy, but dont want to end up a statistic with the report reading, Ran the engine beyond TBO. 2nd part- If you opted to change, would you condider one of the salvage engines from huricane damage plane with good logs? Oh this engine? buy Rebuilt? Spend the $20k on the new Exp engine? Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:05 AM PST US From: joelrhaynes@aol.com Subject: RV-List: capacitance probes and Dynon --> RV-List message posted by: joelrhaynes@aol.com Listers, Has anyone connected their Van's capacitance probes to the Dynon EIS via the capacitance converters from Blue Mountain? I'm looking for capacitance to voltage converters that output 0-5 vDC and I'm wondering if the BMA units will work. Joel Haynes Bozeman, MT 7A Finishing for Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:24 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine change --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >2nd part- If you opted to change, would you condider one of the salvage >engines from huricane damage plane with good logs? Hmmm, possible flooding with salt water. Good logs or no I would not. Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine change From: "Rhonda Bewley" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" Charlie: Sounds like you have a bang up engine. The only real problem we see with running the engine past TBO is that the longer you run it the more wear occurs on critical components and the more your overhaul might cost. I wouldn't buy a core with an unknown history for o'h or exchange. The core you have sounds like an excellent candidate for overhaul, and that would be our recommendation. You won't really know what the condition of the internal components are until the engine is in teardown, but if your cases, crank and cam are repairable, you are making a good investment in going with a quality overhaul shop. Make sure that the engine will be built to Factory New Limits and that all SBs and ADs are in compliance. Good luck! Rhonda Barrett-Bewley Barrett Precision Engines, Inc. 2870-B N. Sheridan Rd. Tulsa, OK 74115 (918) 835-1089 phone (918) 835-1754 fax www.barrettprecisionengines.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RV-List: Engine change --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" I am thinking about engine change. Mine has "official" 2200hrs due to logs being reconstructed many years ago and I think thats unrealistly high. Jugs have about 800 truly loged. engine has absoluly no oil leaks, uses about 1 qt in 10/12 hrs, nothing sig in oil filt at my 25 hr changes,and runs like a top. good comp last Jul at cond insp by A&P. This A&P is also IA and RV-4 man. He thought I should OH or change out engine since its over TBO. I know of engines running far beyond TBO, and also take particular note about all the 0-360s crank AD, many Im sure with relativly low time.( My engine is 0-320E2A.) As I recall, orig builder that I bought it from, let the engine sit coupls years without running, and knew the history. Anyone have experience with this quandry? Im pretty much a "if it works dont fix it" kind of guy, but dont want to end up a statistic with the report reading, Ran the engine beyond TBO. 2nd part- If you opted to change, would you condider one of the sal! vage engines from huricane damage plane with good logs? Oh this engine? buy Rebuilt? Spend the $20k on the new Exp engine? Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:28 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: CP-214 Pneumatic Squeezer for sale From: windsaloft@rmisp.com --> RV-List message posted by: windsaloft@rmisp.com We've been flying the RV for a few years now, and today in the hangar I stumbled upon...........the ol' squeezer! I had no idea I still had this. CP-214 Original Chicago Tools Squeezer. It has the quick change pins and a C-Yoke with a 1.25" opening 1.5" deep and accepts 3/16" shaft dia rivet sets (none included). THe head was ground down to 3/8" thick to help us get all the tight rivets on the RV-7 wings. It built one RV-6A in Casper, WY (that is who I bought it from) and then built a set of -7 wings. It has been sitting in the WYoming hangar now for two years. It worked flawlessly for me on the wings, and I oiled it and squeezed it at the hangar today and still works as well as always. I'll guarantee that it works when it arrives your location or I'll refund your $$. $225 plus shipping via UPS ground, insured from Zip 82520. Email with questions. I wanted to put it in this community first before going the ebay route. Terri Watson flying RV-6A N1977D (a friend's project that I bought) helping with an RV-7A fantasizing about that -10 one day...... Lander, WY ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:04 PM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: Re: FAB Dimensions --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" Actually I am looking to replace the SJ version of the airbox for some testing purposes. I currently have the SJ system installed. I have dimensions for the O-360 thanks to Konrad... Matthew --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Check with the James folks - I think they have their own FAB unit for their cowl - cuz it's a bit tighter IIRC -----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Brandes >Sent: Mar 13, 2006 11:43 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: FAB Dimensions > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" > >Listers... > >Does anyone have the Van's filtered airbox laying around that they could measure? I would like to know the length/width/height of the box and the general diameter of the box as well. I am trying to determine if it will fit within the scoop area of my SJ Cowl. > >I 'd like the dimensions for an O-320 Carb version and for the O-360 Carb version. > >Matthew Brandes, >RV-9A - N523RV >#90569 >www.n523rv.com Matthew Brandes, RV-9A - N523RV #90569 www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:19 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: CP-214 Pneumatic Squeezer for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England windsaloft@rmisp.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: windsaloft@rmisp.com > >We've been flying the RV for a few years now, and today in the hangar I >stumbled upon...........the ol' squeezer! I had no idea I still had this. > >CP-214 Original Chicago Tools Squeezer. It has the quick change pins and >a C-Yoke with a 1.25" opening 1.5" deep and accepts 3/16" shaft dia rivet >sets (none included). THe head was ground down to 3/8" thick to help us >get all the tight rivets on the RV-7 wings. It built one RV-6A in Casper, >WY (that is who I bought it from) and then built a set of -7 wings. It >has been sitting in the WYoming hangar now for two years. > >It worked flawlessly for me on the wings, and I oiled it and squeezed it >at the hangar today and still works as well as always. I'll guarantee >that it works when it arrives your location or I'll refund your $$. > >$225 plus shipping via UPS ground, insured from Zip 82520. Email with >questions. I wanted to put it in this community first before going the >ebay route. > >Terri Watson >flying RV-6A N1977D (a friend's project that I bought) >helping with an RV-7A >fantasizing about that -10 one day...... >Lander, WY > sold! Just tell me where to send the money & what kind of payment is acceptable. Charlie Jackson MS ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:47 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Squeezer sold... From: windsaloft@rmisp.com --> RV-List message posted by: windsaloft@rmisp.com If I could figure out how to append it to regular ad, I would --- CP-14 squeezer is sold, glad to keep it in the community vs the ebay void. Terri ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:49 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Torrance Noise abatement? --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" John, I've never had a noise problem at Torrance. Just climb as steeply as practical and reduce power as soon as it's safe. The aircraft that have problems are the Bonanza's and C-210's and even they can be operated quietly enough to not ring the bell. There used to be a map in the terminal building that showed where the monitors were, don't know if it's still there but if it is, take a look at it - it can help to avoid the noise monitors Dave -6 do not archive John DeCuir wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: John DeCuir > >I need some advice from other un-muffled RV owners who fly in and out >of TOA. I'm heading south for the Halibut Derby, and would like to park >at TOA for a couple of nights while fishing. I heard that you can get >fined for exceeding noise limits, but I was unable to find out how much >it might cost if caught. I'm sure it's more than I want to pay. Anyway, >My RV-4 has an O-320 with Vetterman's crossover system, and it's very >loud. How do I get out of TOA without getting cited? Should I full >power climb over the airport as steeply as possible, then pull it back >by the boundary? Where are the sensors? > >John DeCuir >RV-4, N204CP >SNS, CA > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:03 PM PST US From: "james frierson" Subject: RV-List: Aileron bearing --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" I just talked to Ken at Van's about these bearings. I was under the impression that they were pressed in and it would not be a problem to change. Well I was informed otherwise. i was told that these are "Captured" bearings meaning they are between the plates of the hinge brackets and that I would have to drill out the rivets and disasemble the hinges in order to change the bearings. How big a deal is this? Looks like the flap and the wing tip will need to be removed at the least... Looking for input from those who have done this. __________________ Scott Frierson N162RV RV6A 160HP ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:41 PM PST US From: "charles heathco" Subject: RV-List: Building an engine to put in my 6a --> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" Im not the builder for Tweetybird, but I do all the work on her. I am not sure if I can assemble a kit engine myself and install it without a sign off, anybody know for sure? Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:42 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: rv6a electric aileron trim wiring? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" Hello, I am looking for suggestions and possibly pictures of how others have arranged the wire run out of the aileron and through, or around? the rear spar. The trim tab on my 6a is at the out board end of the aileron. My concern is the same as one query I read in the archives; How to avoid or at least minimize undue bending and chafing of the wire during in flight operation? Jim in Kelowna