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1. 06:23 AM - Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar (Rhonda Bewley)
2. 06:55 AM - Photos of Tornado Damage in NW AR (Rhonda Bewley)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar (charles heathco)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar (Rhonda Bewley)
5. 08:51 AM - Over-fluting (Folbrecht, Paul)
6. 08:58 AM - help building a -4 (Wilder, Scott (US))
7. 09:14 AM - Re: Over-fluting (Rob Prior (rv7))
8. 09:27 AM - Re: Over-fluting (Dan Beadle)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Over-fluting (Dan Checkoway)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: Over-fluting (Glaeser, Dennis A)
11. 09:54 AM - Help with -6 in Oregon (Tim Bryan)
12. 11:11 AM - Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" (Jim Thorne)
13. 12:35 PM - (no subject) (rv6fly@bresnan.net)
14. 01:56 PM - Wanted RV9A Project (striplic@tetric.com)
15. 02:19 PM - Canopy bonding (Trevor Mills)
16. 02:23 PM - Sun-n-Fun Tool Sale! (Cleaveland Aircraft Tool)
17. 02:31 PM - Re: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] (Cleaveland Aircraft Tool)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" (lance553@comcast.net)
19. 03:07 PM - Re: Canopy bonding (Gerry Filby)
20. 03:37 PM - Re: help building a -4 (Chuck)
21. 04:04 PM - > Re: Over-fluting (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
22. 04:57 PM - Re: Over-fluting (Dave Nellis)
23. 05:39 PM - Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar (Jerry Springer)
24. 06:53 PM - Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" (Bob C.)
25. 08:51 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun Tool Sale! (Tom Barnes)
26. 10:47 PM - Adding Glideslope (Jeff Bertsch)
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Subject: | Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
The Cherokee 6 you saw upside down is Doug Stone's (RV10 builder.) I
talked to Doug yesterday, and he said that the main spar broke, so he
expects the plane to be a complete loss. The NW Arkansas EAA chapter
has photos on their website.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
I was over at Berryville today and heard that BVT had taken a bad jhit
in the Sun night Tornado. I flew over it on way back and saw that FBO
boulding was pretty much gone, and hanger beside it to the north was
destroyed, i saw 2 planes upside down/on end in the FBO and about 6or 7
torn up in and beside the hanger buildings remains. I know there are at
least 2 RV's At BVT, but lost contact, anybody have any knowledge?
Charlie Heathco
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Subject: | Photos of Tornado Damage in NW AR |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Lucky said he couldn't find any photos of the damages in Bentonville.
Here is the URL http://www.eaa732.org <http://www.eaa732.org/> . Go to
the photo gallery and click on Bentonville to see to see photos
Do Not Archive
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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Subject: | Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
As I understand it he only had 50 hrs on his 540? Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
The Cherokee 6 you saw upside down is Doug Stone's (RV10 builder.) I
talked to Doug yesterday, and he said that the main spar broke, so he
expects the plane to be a complete loss. The NW Arkansas EAA chapter
has photos on their website.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
I was over at Berryville today and heard that BVT had taken a bad jhit
in the Sun night Tornado. I flew over it on way back and saw that FBO
boulding was pretty much gone, and hanger beside it to the north was
destroyed, i saw 2 planes upside down/on end in the FBO and about 6or 7
torn up in and beside the hanger buildings remains. I know there are at
least 2 RV's At BVT, but lost contact, anybody have any knowledge?
Charlie Heathco
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Subject: | Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
That's what I was told.
Rhonda
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
As I understand it he only had 50 hrs on his 540? Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
The Cherokee 6 you saw upside down is Doug Stone's (RV10 builder.) I
talked to Doug yesterday, and he said that the main spar broke, so he
expects the plane to be a complete loss. The NW Arkansas EAA chapter
has photos on their website.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles heathco
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
I was over at Berryville today and heard that BVT had taken a bad jhit
in the Sun night Tornado. I flew over it on way back and saw that FBO
boulding was pretty much gone, and hanger beside it to the north was
destroyed, i saw 2 planes upside down/on end in the FBO and about 6or 7
torn up in and beside the hanger buildings remains. I know there are at
least 2 RV's At BVT, but lost contact, anybody have any knowledge?
Charlie Heathco
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a rib?
My fluting was going well until I got to R-903 - long, skinny rudder
rib. I over-did it and it's now bowed the other way. Drat. I figure
anything that could be done now would probably result in fatigued metal
anyway.
Paul
9A QB 1176
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Subject: | help building a -4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott (US)" <Scott.Wilder@am.jll.com>
It has come the time in my project for a little extra motivation for I
fear I may never finish. I am building a -4, wings and feathers
complete, fuse bulkheads are jigged but no drilling yet, I have heard of
some traveling helpers that work for so much an hour, I just want enough
help to get the thing out of the jig then I think I could continue solo.
Can anybody help here? I am in SF bay area, CA, any of you who used
these guys care to comment? Feel free to contact me off list, thanks,
scott.wilder@am.jll.com
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Subject: | Re: Over-fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 8:45:53 2006-03-15 "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
wrote:
> Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a rib?
>
> My fluting was going well until I got to R-903 - long, skinny rudder
> rib. I over-did it and it's now bowed the other way. Drat. I figure
> anything that could be done now would probably result in fatigued
> metal anyway.
Fear not! You can gently squeeze some of the flutes with a pair of seaming
pliers (two flat plates welded to a pair of vise-grip jaws) or something
similar. Heck, even putting the rib on edge on your wooden shop table, and
hitting the flute gently with your dead-blow hammer would probably flatten
them out adequately.
The fluting process doesn't stress the material so much that a little
"unbending" will hurt it. Be gentle, and spread the unbending out over the
entire rib, and the part will be just fine.
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
I use a hand seamer - pliers with a 3" wide jaw - to take out some of the
over fluting. Seems to work fine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Over-fluting
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a rib?
My fluting was going well until I got to R-903 - long, skinny rudder
rib. I over-did it and it's now bowed the other way. Drat. I figure
anything that could be done now would probably result in fatigued metal
anyway.
Paul
9A QB 1176
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Subject: | Re: Over-fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Hand seamer, squeeze the flutes out a bit. It happens.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: RV-List: Over-fluting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a rib?
>
>
> My fluting was going well until I got to R-903 - long, skinny rudder
> rib. I over-did it and it's now bowed the other way. Drat. I figure
> anything that could be done now would probably result in fatigued metal
> anyway.
>
>
> Paul
>
> 9A QB 1176
>
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Subject: | Re: Over-fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
I've done that, and to un-do it I just turned my fluting pliers at as
close to 90 degrees as I could get and squeezed a bit to flatten the
flute a bit. Or sandwich the flute between a couple of scraps of metal
and squeeze it with pliers (or whatever). It doesn't take much. You'd
have to flute and (totally) flatten the same spot more than a couple of
times before you have to worry about fatiguing the metal.
Dennis Glaeser
7A Fuselage
-------------------------------------
Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a rib? My fluting was
going well until I got to R-903 - long, skinny rudder rib. I over-did it
and it's now bowed the other way. Drat. I figure anything that could be
done now would probably result in fatigued metal anyway.
Paul 9A QB 1176
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Subject: | Help with -6 in Oregon |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Scott, you read my mind. I was going to post a similar question today.
I am building and near completion on a -6. The fuse is at the airport, but
the wings need a few things. I am 15 years into this project, and need to
finish. I have had some medical issues, and been really busy with work. I
would love to find someone who could finish up my wing issues in my shop in
central oregon. Nice big shop with heat, lights, music, etc. I suspect
there is not much more than a week to wrap up my needs.
off list replys great. flyrv6@bryantechnology.com
Tim
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: Wilder, Scott (US)
Subject: RV-List: help building a -4
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wilder, Scott (US)" <Scott.Wilder@am.jll
com>
It has come the time in my project for a little extra motivation for I
fear I may never finish. I am building a -4, wings and feathers
complete, fuse bulkheads are jigged but no drilling yet, I have heard of
some traveling helpers that work for so much an hour, I just want enough
help to get the thing out of the jig then I think I could continue solo.
Can anybody help here? I am in SF bay area, CA, any of you who used
these guys care to comment? Feel free to contact me off list, thanks,
scott.wilder@am.jll.com
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Subject: | Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
Does anyone have any information on pros and cons on choosing a 72" vs. 74" Hartzell
blended airfoil prop? Have searched archives and was unable to find any
specific information relative to propeller diameter.
Jim Thorne
7A-QB CHD
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--> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly@bresnan.net
"unsubscribe"
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Subject: | Wanted RV9A Project |
--> RV-List message posted by: striplic@tetric.com
Refer to the RV9 list for details. Cliff Stripling striplic@tetric.com (830)693-2386
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http://www.opensubscriber.com/messages/rv-list@matronics.com/topic.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj@ozemail.com.au>
A question for the guys who have bonded the canopy's on, How have you attached
the side skirts (RV8) Bonding or rivets ?
Trevor Mills 80605
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Subject: | Sun-n-Fun Tool Sale! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" <mail@cleavelandtool.com>
Sun-n-Fun Season Sale
No Florida Sales Tax - No Heavy Sacks to Carry
Due to Sun-n-Fun's display rate increase Cleaveland Aircraft Tool will not be attending
this year.
We regret not seeing everyone there and will truly miss attending.
Instead we have decided to offer special pricing from now through April 7th 2006.
There is something for everyone.
For New Builders:
When ordering our "Complete Airframe Tool Kit" you will get $50 off,
Plus a $50 gift certificate to use on future orders,
Plus you will be entered in a drawing to win our new "Ultimate Drill Upgrade",
an upgrade to the Sioux drill in the complete kit.
For Current Builders:
When ordering $200 or more you will receive 10% off the order total,
Plus you will be entered in a drawing to win one $100 gift certificate that will
be given each week through the end of the sale.
( your name will remain in the drawing until the end of the sale so order early
)
For Completed Builders:
When ordering Canopy Covers, and Sunshades (which can be delivered in time for
your SNF trip) you will receive 20% off,
Plus a Cleaveland Tool T-Shirt.
Place your order on the web at: www.cleavelandtool.com or by phone, discounts and drawings will be applied when order is shipped.
Thank you,
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
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Subject: | Re: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF TOPIC] |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" <mail@cleavelandtool.com>
I have seen the show, I recognize the clips. It would have been on recently
on Discovery or National Geographic Channel, perhaps a Monster Machines?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF
TOPIC]
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Apparently this is a shortened version of a longer video aired on TV?
> Does
> someone know how to access the longer version, if available?
>
> do not archive
>
> John Jessen
> RV-10 Emp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Anglin
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:12 AM
> To: RV List
> Subject: Re: RV-List: You think YOU'RE building an airplane .... [TAD OFF
> TOPIC]
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks for sharing that with us. I think that's one of the coolest videos
> I
> have ever seen.
>
>
> Jim Anglin
> HR II N144HR
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" |
--> RV-List message posted by: lance553@comcast.net
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone have any information on pros and cons on choosing a 72" vs. 74"
> Hartzell blended airfoil prop? Have searched archives and was unable to find
> any specific information relative to propeller diameter.
>
> Jim Thorne
> 7A-QB CHD
>
> I asked this of one of Van's engineers and he advised me to go with the 74 for
more thrust. I have 127 hours now on my Aerosport 0-360/74" combo. The airplane
jumps off the ground and moves out smartly.
Lance Johnson
RV-8A
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Subject: | Re: Canopy bonding |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
I haven't completed mine yet, but I will be riveting the skirts
to the frame and putting a bead of Sikaflex between the inner
skirt and outskirt thus sandwiching the plexy at that location
- I will NOT be drilling through the plexy.
g
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj@ozemail.com.au>
>
> A question for the guys who have bonded the canopy's on, How
> have you attached the side skirts (RV8) Bonding or rivets ?
>
> Trevor Mills 80605
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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Subject: | Re: help building a -4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Okay... Scott V. are you out there? You're much closer than me. You're 4's
been flyin' for quite awhile. If you're out there, answer up and see if you
can arrange some of your time. It's for a good cause. Remember when we were
at that scary fuse stage??? It was kinda' intimidating huh.
"Wilder, Scott (US)" <Scott.Wilder@am.jll.com> wrote: --> RV-List message posted
by: "Wilder, Scott (US)"
It has come the time in my project for a little extra motivation for I
fear I may never finish. I am building a -4, wings and feathers
complete, fuse bulkheads are jigged but no drilling yet, I have heard of
some traveling helpers that work for so much an hour, I just want enough
help to get the thing out of the jig then I think I could continue solo.
Can anybody help here? I am in SF bay area, CA, any of you who used
these guys care to comment? Feel free to contact me off list, thanks,
scott.wilder@am.jll.com
---------------------------------
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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Subject: | Re: > Re: Over-fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I have completely reversed flutes a couple of times : before I painted the
BACK side of my fluting pliers RED !!!
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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Subject: | Re: Over-fluting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Turn the fluting pliers over putting the center node
exactly on the center of the flute it created. Gently
squeeze till the reverse bend is gone.
Dave
--- "Folbrecht, Paul"
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
> <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
>
> Is there really any way to undo over-fluting of a
> rib?
>
>
>
> My fluting was going well until I got to R-903 -
> long, skinny rudder
> rib. I over-did it and it's now bowed the other
> way. Drat. I figure
> anything that could be done now would probably
> result in fatigued metal
> anyway.
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> Paul
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> 9A QB 1176
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Subject: | Re: Tornado dmage in Bentonville Ar |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Rhonda Bewley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
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>The Cherokee 6 you saw upside down is Doug Stone's (RV10 builder.) I
>talked to Doug yesterday, and he said that the main spar broke, so he
>expects the plane to be a complete loss. The NW Arkansas EAA chapter
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That is not a pretty sight seeing all of those damaged airplanes:( but
maybe there is a RV-10 engine there somewhere.:)
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
I also asked Van's the same question re: my RV-8 with O-360 clone . . . the
person I talked to recommended the 72" version . . . I really don't think
there is a world of difference?!
Bob in SE-Iowa
RV-8 - Finishing Slowly!!
On 3/15/06, Jim Thorne <rv7a@cox.net> wrote:
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> Does anyone have any information on pros and cons on choosing a 72" vs.
> 74" Hartzell blended airfoil prop? Have searched archives and was unable to
> find any specific information relative to propeller diameter.
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> Jim Thorne
> 7A-QB CHD
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Cc: <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
Subject: | Re: Sun-n-Fun Tool Sale! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net>
Builders,
I take this opportunity to give an ATA-BOY to Cleveland. One of our
(Chicago) local builders became ill and died of cancer shortly after he had
purchased Cleveland's complete RV-4 tool package. The tools were vertually
unused but over a year old. Cleveland refunded dollar-for-dollar.
The old story about not going wrong by dealing with the "A,B,C's" is
true again.
Please archive!
Tom Barnes, Buffalo Grove, IL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" <mail@cleavelandtool.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sun-n-Fun Tool Sale!
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> Mike Lauritsen
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> Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
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> 2225 First St.
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> Boone, Iowa 50036
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> 515-432-6794
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Subject: | Adding Glideslope |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
I am adding a KN-73 to provide glideslope info to my KX-125 and Century HSI (NSD
1000). Has anyone done this before? Do you have install manuals/pinouts for
these avionics?
Thanks!
Jeff Bertsch
RV-4
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