Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:25 AM - RV Elevator Counterweight question (David Karlsberg)
2. 01:32 AM - Why tip tanks ? (Trevor Mills)
3. 04:16 AM - Re: Nosewheel bearing question (rv6@grandecom.net)
4. 04:22 AM - Re: ANR's and deafness (N395V)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Rudder Trailing Edge Countersinking (Belue, Kevin)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: Tite Seal (Rick Galati)
7. 06:12 AM - Air Venture Cup Race (John Huft)
8. 06:58 AM - cs prop grease leak (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 08:09 AM - titeseal (Don/Marcia Piermattei)
10. 08:55 AM - CamLoc latch (ron burden)
11. 10:07 AM - Re: titeseal (Ken Howell)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: RV-4 Heat Retrofit (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
13. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: RV-4 Heat Retrofit (Steve Sampson)
14. 01:59 PM - Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question (Chuck)
15. 03:49 PM - Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question (Kevin Horton)
16. 03:55 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (WPAerial@aol.com)
17. 04:50 PM - Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question (Gerry Filby)
18. 05:08 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (D.Bristol)
19. 06:08 PM - Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question (linn Walters)
20. 06:11 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (Ron Lee)
21. 06:51 PM - Tite Seal Update (rveighta)
22. 06:59 PM - Re: titeseal (Vincent Welch)
23. 06:59 PM - Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question (Chuck)
24. 07:40 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (JOHN STARN)
25. 08:04 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (Gerry Filby)
26. 08:39 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (JOHN STARN)
27. 09:14 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (scott bilinski)
28. 09:14 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (Tom Gummo)
29. 10:11 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (Konrad L. Werner)
30. 10:40 PM - Re: Spouse afraid to fly (Jeff Bertsch)
31. 10:42 PM - Re: keep the wieght off Nosewheel (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
So, I am working on the Right elevator. After carefully studying the
pictures I trimmed the counterweight as shown on the plans (E-714 Trim
Detail). The part remaining is 5/8th (like the picture shows). After
reading it again I think I was supposed to do this when balancing it. Is it
okay I did it now? Or will my weight be too light? If so, do I need to buy
a new weight or can I do something to fix this? I don't think I will just
be able to slide a new weight in there cause the skin that goes over it fits
real tight and when it will be dimpled it might be really hard to slide this
one out.
Let me know.
Thanks,
David Karlsberg
RV-7
Beverly hills CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj@ozemail.com.au>
Well for me the answer is simple, I work for large oil company with great staff
discounts. With the Eggenfellener engine on mogas it will make very much worth
my while.
Trevor. 80605
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel bearing question |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6@grandecom.net
Quoting Hopperdhh@aol.com:
This is exactly what we have done on all the RV's we have built and it seems to
work very well.
Ted
> --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> I had this same problem (spacers turning by the torque of the seals) when I
> first flew my -7A. At first I was going to put in roll pins like a Cessna
> 150, but decided on a different solution which has worked very well.
>
> I made a steel sleeve about 3/4 inch OD to put between the bearing spacers
> on the axle bolt inside of the wheel. Once this sleeve was fine tuned to
> the
> correct length, I could tighten the axle bolt to full torque without
> actually
> having the bearings support the bolt tension. To support the sleeve while
> taking the nose wheel on and off, I have a length of 3/8 inch rod that gets
> pushed through when installing the axle bolt. This rod is a little shorter
> than the distance between the forks.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A Flying 148 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANR's and deafness |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
davemader(at)bresnan.net wrote:
> My son, who flies helicopters for the Coast Guard, called me last night and told
me that they "immediately" told
> them they would not be allowed to use ANR headsets. Said that a study has been
done and ANR's have been
> shown to cause irreversible hearing damage.
This is an almost verbatim quote as it appeared on the Cessna Pilot's association
website a year ago??????????????????????????
Must be some brand new safety officer at a new duty station dusting off some old
info
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23376#23376
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| Subject: | Rudder Trailing Edge Countersinking |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@drs-tem.com>
Paul,
I'm building an RV-10 and my spacer TE holes were larger after
countersinking, but I didn't worry about it. The holes have to be larger
because the wedge is thin, causing the countersinks to cut into each other
from each side. The dimples/holes in the skins that go on top of this are
the proper size and will clamp the wedge in place (the proseal helps with
this). If you dimple the skin and countersink the wedge per the plans there
is no way around this, so I didn't see it as a problem :)
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A Flying 700hrs
RV-10 Fuselage/Finish kit
-----Original Message-----
From: Folbrecht, Paul [mailto:PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Trailing Edge Countersinking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Well, what I'm running into, everybody should be running into.
I'd like to hear from other builders who have done the rudder recently
(or just remember it well). Did you notice the TE holes significantly
enlarged by the countersinking?
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7)
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rudder Trailing Edge Countersinking
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 8:55:33 2006-03-21 "Folbrecht, Paul"
<PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
wrote:
> I've only done 3 holes so, even if I've screwed-up this far (and now I
> don't think that I have), it's not likely a loss. I have been told
> enlargement of the holes is indeed inevitable here.
Another option is to flush rivet one side and leave the other side
square-headed. It's less pretty, but it's going to be a lot stronger.
If
you're countersinking both sides of that wedge and finding that the
countersinks are meeting each other, you'll have a knife-edge around the
hole, which isn't condusive to long rivet life.
On the Elevator, at least, you could put the square heads on the
underside.
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
rveighta(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> I just completed the fuel tank SB on my left tank, using a gasket & tite seal.
> That was a day and half ago and the stuff is still wet. I assume it should dry
> before refueling the tank? How long to dry?
>
> Walt Shipley
Walt,
You'll be waiting a long time. The (medium weight) Tite-Seal I applied to the
fuel tanks several years ago is as "sticky" as the day I applied it. You were
good to go a day and a half ago.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 116 hours
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23391#23391
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| Subject: | Air Venture Cup Race |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Here is a communication from Eric Whyte, chairman of the race, through
Bob Axsom. Lets all rack our brains and see if we can help make this
race happen. I would think that lots of our suppliers could benefit from
this kind of exposure!
John Huft
**********************************************************
Copied below is a slightly edited version of the latest information
received direct from Race Director Eric Whyte (the excellent website is
still saying the entry forms will be available before the new year 2006
- http://www.airventurecup.com ).
Bob Axsom
*******************************************************************
Hi Guys,
Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you, I was in the USVI and the
internet connection was really slow so it was kind of a read only
situation for a week. Not a bad place to be stuck on a 6 day layover though!
So here is the deal, we need to find our own sponsors. We need any and
all leads you guys can come up with. The good news is that EAA is giving
us our own separate checking account so all money we raise goes directly
to the race. No ... Tax as in the past. Also if we should raise enough
to have money left over at the end of the year all the better it goes
into the kitty for the 2007 race. So once we raise money for the event
it stays until we use it up or stop having the race.
We are obviously looking for a large sponsor if there is interest but we
are also looking for many small level sponsors. There are very few
companies that are willing to spend $15,000 to sponsor an Air Race but
we are hoping it would be easier to find ten companies that are willing
to donate $1,000 to $5,000.
The other part of the bad news is that EAA is charging us full face
value for the wristbands so that is something we will need to look at. I
dont necessarily agree with but that decision was made above my level
as they say.
The good news is we have one sponsor already on board that has committed
to the lunch and breakfast in Dayton. Yes those are not the most
critical of items we are looking for but they were offered and I am not
going to look a gift horse in the mouth. ( The Sponsor is Commander Aero
the FBO that hosts us) EAA is staying on to provide the insurance
coverage and some publicity. We have control over the website and they
have agreed to run a blurb about the website in Sport Aviation and also
on the e-hotline.
I have been really bogged down with work recently I was on the road 22
of 28 days in February, so I have not been able to get the race staff
together yet. I dont see that changing anytime soon. I just got
summoned for jury duty and crew scheduling blew a gasket and is
frantically trying to get me out of it because apparently they cant
live with out me for two days. It is nice to feel appreciated I think!
In the e-mails you guys sent me several of you mentioned possible leads
for sponsors, I speak for the entire race staff in saying we need all
the help we can get. Since I am on the road nearly continuously at this
point e-mail is the best way to contact me. I will keep you all posted.
Eric
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| Subject: | cs prop grease leak |
Cc: <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Mark,
Mine slung grease for a few hours then stopped. Then it started back up
again at 20 hours. I called Hartzell and they were awesome to work
with. I flew to Piqua, OH had the prop fixed and also dynamically
balanced on the plane. They fixed it all PDQ while I was using their
courtesy car to tour the USAF museum in Dayton. They also gave me a
tour of their factory.
Overall, it was more like a mini vacation than a trip to a repair shop.
I highly recommend them.
BTW, their prices were VERY reasonable.... the repair was covered under
warranty and the balancing, which made a VERY noticable difference, was
something like $150 or so. Very cheap in my book. And all the work was
done by THE experts.
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://vincesrocket.com/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei" <dlpier@lamar.colostate.edu>
Can anyone provide a source for titeseal? I can't find it at ACS, Wicks, or
Chief. They have EZ turn and call it a substitute for titeseal.
Don Piermattei
RV-9A N192DP
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--> RV-List message posted by: "ron burden" <crb@commspeed.net>
Hi Listers,
I am trying to locate a source for the Camloc KM680-64 latch. This is the
same as the KM610-64 latch discussed previously on this forum except it is
made of stainless. Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Ron
crb@commspeed.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
Don,
Here's a link that will get you some titeseal.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/titeseal.php
Ken Howell
Glenwood MD
RV-7 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don/Marcia
Piermattei
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: titeseal
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei"
<dlpier@lamar.colostate.edu>
Can anyone provide a source for titeseal? I can't find it at ACS, Wicks, or
Chief. They have EZ turn and call it a substitute for titeseal.
Don Piermattei
RV-9A N192DP
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Heat Retrofit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Paul,
I had difficulty adapting Van's heat muff to mine because the inlet/outlets
were clocked wrong. This company makes muffs any configuration/dimension you
want, and nice quality work, good prices. _http://aircraftexhaust.net/_
(http://aircraftexhaust.net/)
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Heat Retrofit
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
My RV-4 doesn't have heat. I'd like to add heat to
it, and was wondering which selector box from Van's
works the best on a -4 for fitting, placement, etc.
I'd also entertain putting a duct to the back seat,
but understand it might be difficult on a completed
airplane.
Thanks in advance.
Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Heat Retrofit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <ssamps@gmail.com>
You mght want to look at http://robbinswings.com/ also. Steve ##4478
On 22/03/06, Jerry2DT@aol.com <Jerry2DT@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I had difficulty adapting Van's heat muff to mine because the
> inlet/outlets
> were clocked wrong. This company makes muffs any configuration/dimension
> you
> want, and nice quality work, good prices. _http://aircraftexhaust.net/_
> (http://aircraftexhaust.net/)
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
>
> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Heat Retrofit
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> My RV-4 doesn't have heat. I'd like to add heat to
> it, and was wondering which selector box from Van's
> works the best on a -4 for fitting, placement, etc.
>
> I'd also entertain putting a duct to the back seat,
> but understand it might be difficult on a completed
> airplane.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul Besing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
This brings up a recent conversation on the requirement of even putting on Counterweights
for the elevators.
Any comments on the purpose(s), usefulness, or results of not utilizing counterweights
? Inquiring minds want to know.
Do Not Archive
David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg
So, I am working on the Right elevator. After carefully studying the
pictures I trimmed the counterweight as shown on the plans (E-714 Trim
Detail). The part remaining is 5/8th (like the picture shows). After
reading it again I think I was supposed to do this when balancing it. Is it
okay I did it now? Or will my weight be too light? If so, do I need to buy
a new weight or can I do something to fix this? I don't think I will just
be able to slide a new weight in there cause the skin that goes over it fits
real tight and when it will be dimpled it might be really hard to slide this
one out.
Let me know.
Thanks,
David Karlsberg
RV-7
Beverly hills CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 22 Mar 2006, at 16:51, Chuck wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
>
> This brings up a recent conversation on the requirement of even
> putting on Counterweights for the elevators.
>
> Any comments on the purpose(s), usefulness, or results of not
> utilizing counterweights ? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
The counterweights are there to increase the minimum airspeed to get
elevator flutter. If you don't put in the counterweights, or if the
elevator is not balanced as per Van's instructions, it is quite
possible that there will be destructive elevator/HS flutter at a
speed lower than the recommended VNE. Flutter, if it occurs, could
cause the HS and elevator to fail very quickly, causing a fatal
accident.
Put the counterweights in as per Van's design. This is not an area
to experiment.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
Keep the weight off the nose wheel as much as possible it's not made to take
it. Saw a 6A with chevy v6 fold nose gear over last week end.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Also leave them too heavy until you do the final trim prior to
first flight - you will be adding extra weight to the elevator
when you install the trim hardware, fiberglass tips and even
paint.
g
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 16:51, Chuck wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
> >
> > This brings up a recent conversation on the requirement of even
> > putting on Counterweights for the elevators.
> >
> > Any comments on the purpose(s), usefulness, or results of not
> > utilizing counterweights ? Inquiring minds want to know.
> >
>
> The counterweights are there to increase the minimum airspeed to get
> elevator flutter. If you don't put in the counterweights, or if the
> elevator is not balanced as per Van's instructions, it is quite
> possible that there will be destructive elevator/HS flutter at a
> speed lower than the recommended VNE. Flutter, if it occurs, could
> cause the HS and elevator to fail very quickly, causing a fatal
> accident.
>
> Put the counterweights in as per Van's design. This is not an area
> to experiment.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
Dave B -6 So Cal
Can't trust those nosewheels!
WPAerial@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com
>
>Keep the weight off the nose wheel as much as possible it's not made to take
>it. Saw a 6A with chevy v6 fold nose gear over last week end.
>
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Chuck wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
>
>This brings up a recent conversation on the requirement of even putting on Counterweights
for the elevators.
>
> Any comments on the purpose(s), usefulness, or results of not utilizing counterweights
? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
Well Chuck, lemme try to answer, in order:
Purpose: A balanced control surface is less prone to flutter at a given
airspeed.
Usefulness: I'd say high. You don't want to deal with flutter, or it's
aftermath. A very good video of a stealth fighter experiencing flaperon
flutter is out there somewhere on the web. Watch it.
Results of not using counterweights: If there is a camera pointing your
way at that particular moment, you'll have documentation just like the
Stealth fighter mentioned above. You, however, do not have an ejection
seat!
Linn
>
>David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg
>
>So, I am working on the Right elevator. After carefully studying the
>pictures I trimmed the counterweight as shown on the plans (E-714 Trim
>Detail). The part remaining is 5/8th (like the picture shows). After
>reading it again I think I was supposed to do this when balancing it. Is it
>okay I did it now? Or will my weight be too light? If so, do I need to buy
>a new weight or can I do something to fix this? I don't think I will just
>be able to slide a new weight in there cause the skin that goes over it fits
>real tight and when it will be dimpled it might be really hard to slide this
>one out.
>
>Let me know.
>
>Thanks,
>David Karlsberg
>RV-7
>Beverly hills CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 06:06 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
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>Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
>one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
>should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
>the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
>
>Dave B -6 So Cal
>Can't trust those nosewheels!
That probably explains why all commercial airliners and military
aircraft are taildraggers.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Tite Seal Update |
--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Guys, I accidentally found out something interesting about Tite Seal. As I
indicated in my previous post, I used it a few days ago on my left tank.
Today I gassed up the left tank and checked my fuel gauge and the @#$%
&*'d
thing wasn't working. Checked the wiring, didn't find a problem, then drained
the tank to remove the float/sender. To my surprise, after the last drop of gas
had drained, Tite Seal began oozing out of the drain opening! So, I then removed
the cover plate and using a mirror, saw there was an accumulation of tite seal
in the bottom of the tank.
Naturally, this has me concerned about the merits of tite seal versus proseal.
Sure,
Proseal makes it hard to get the cover off, but if you apply too much tite seal
as I
obviously did, it's a tad unsettling, since the stuff can run down the inside of
the tank
and possibly even get into the fuel line. I think I'm gonna clean this goo out
of the
tank as best I can then use proseal and pray for no more SB's.
Some food for thought for those using tite seal.........
Walt Shipley RV-8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Are Titeseal and EZ Turn interchangeble? I already have a can of EZ Turn.
Vince
>From: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: titeseal
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:04:19 -0500
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
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>Don,
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>Here's a link that will get you some titeseal.
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/titeseal.php
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>Ken Howell
>Glenwood MD
>RV-7 Wings
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don/Marcia
>Piermattei
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:06 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: titeseal
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei"
><dlpier@lamar.colostate.edu>
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>Can anyone provide a source for titeseal? I can't find it at ACS, Wicks,
>or
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>Chief. They have EZ turn and call it a substitute for titeseal.
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>Don Piermattei
>RV-9A N192DP
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| Subject: | Re: RV Elevator Counterweight question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Linn,
I've seen the video, it's humorous unless of course you were in the pilot's seat.
Thanks for the analogy.
Chuck
linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters
Chuck wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck
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>This brings up a recent conversation on the requirement of even putting on Counterweights
for the elevators.
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> Any comments on the purpose(s), usefulness, or results of not utilizing counterweights
? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Well Chuck, lemme try to answer, in order:
Purpose: A balanced control surface is less prone to flutter at a given
airspeed.
Usefulness: I'd say high. You don't want to deal with flutter, or it's
aftermath. A very good video of a stealth fighter experiencing flaperon
flutter is out there somewhere on the web. Watch it.
Results of not using counterweights: If there is a camera pointing your
way at that particular moment, you'll have documentation just like the
Stealth fighter mentioned above. You, however, do not have an ejection
seat!
Linn
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>David Karlsberg wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg
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>So, I am working on the Right elevator. After carefully studying the
>pictures I trimmed the counterweight as shown on the plans (E-714 Trim
>Detail). The part remaining is 5/8th (like the picture shows). After
>reading it again I think I was supposed to do this when balancing it. Is it
>okay I did it now? Or will my weight be too light? If so, do I need to buy
>a new weight or can I do something to fix this? I don't think I will just
>be able to slide a new weight in there cause the skin that goes over it fits
>real tight and when it will be dimpled it might be really hard to slide this
>one out.
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>Let me know.
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>Thanks,
>David Karlsberg
>RV-7
>Beverly hills CA
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Funny. Mine said that the nose gear was NOT part of the Landing Gear. It was
designed to steer with and/or keep the tail high enough so that one could
see where one going & go where one was looking. Taildraggers go left, look
right then go right & look left and hopefully see some of what's directly in
front of them. 8*) HRII N561FS.. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
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> Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
> one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
> should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
> the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
>
> Dave B -6 So Cal
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Upfront I admit that know NOTHING about military aircraft ...
But ...
I've watched military jets landing and takeoff and it seems
like they raise the nose so high on takeoff and flare so high on
landing that there's just no way they COULD be taildraggers -
the tailwheel would impact the runway long before the mains did
.. so ... not sure about your reasoning there.
g
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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> At 06:06 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
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> >Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
> >one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
> >should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
> >the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
> >
> >Dave B -6 So Cal
> >Can't trust those nosewheels!
>
> That probably explains why all commercial airliners and military
> aircraft are taildraggers.
>
> Ron Lee
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Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Lets see..... the Jet Blue's nose gear was locked 90 degrees sideways. Skid
& gouge marks were right down the center line. Turn a tail wheel 90 degrees
and lock it in place. AHHHH.... BUT 90 digress would better than say...45
degrees. 8*) Kabong HRII N561FS Do Not Archive...All in good fun
guys...guys...ah come on guys....
> Upfront I admit that know NOTHING about military aircraft ...
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> But ...
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> I've watched military jets landing and takeoff and it seems
> like they raise the nose so high on takeoff and flare so high on
> landing that there's just no way they COULD be taildraggers -
> the tailwheel would impact the runway long before the mains did
> .. so ... not sure about your reasoning there.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
Where do training wheels go??? Thats right, in the back!
JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
Lets see..... the Jet Blue's nose gear was locked 90 degrees sideways. Skid
& gouge marks were right down the center line. Turn a tail wheel 90 degrees
and lock it in place. AHHHH.... BUT 90 digress would better than say...45
degrees. 8*) Kabong HRII N561FS Do Not Archive...All in good fun
guys...guys...ah come on guys....
> Upfront I admit that know NOTHING about military aircraft ...
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> But ...
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> I've watched military jets landing and takeoff and it seems
> like they raise the nose so high on takeoff and flare so high on
> landing that there's just no way they COULD be taildraggers -
> the tailwheel would impact the runway long before the mains did
> .. so ... not sure about your reasoning there.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Tailwheel went away with introduction of jet engines and afterburners.
The F-4 had its engines 2 degrees down in the rear.
Any extended engine runs or afterburner use on the ground melted any asphalt
and was very hard on concrete behind the aircraft. A tailwheel jet will be
very hard on any surface.
There was no need for prop clearance either.
I am sure there are "real" reasons but I don't know them. :-)
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
USAF, Major Retired
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
N561FS - 270 hours - Still big smile
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> At 06:06 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
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>>Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
>>one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
>>should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
>>the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
>>
>>Dave B -6 So Cal
>>Can't trust those nosewheels!
>
> That probably explains why all commercial airliners and military
> aircraft are taildraggers.
>
> Ron Lee
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear Gerry,
I think Dave was diagnosed with the "I missed the landing gear progress" syndrome
that no one who is dragging its tail wants to admit! But I do admit, the TD's
sure look cute on the ground though!
Flame Suit is on, ...I am good to go for the firework (...and for a lil'xcytmnt?)
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry Filby
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Upfront I admit that know NOTHING about military aircraft ...
But ...
I've watched military jets landing and takeoff and it seems
like they raise the nose so high on takeoff and flare so high on
landing that there's just no way they COULD be taildraggers -
the tailwheel would impact the runway long before the mains did
.. so ... not sure about your reasoning there.
g
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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> At 06:06 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >Long ago, my instructor explained that the nosewheel was there for only
> >one purpose - to hold the nose up when the airplane was parked, and it
> >should be landed accordingly. That's probably what caused me to spend
> >the rest of my flying life in taildraggers!
> >
> >Dave B -6 So Cal
> >Can't trust those nosewheels!
>
> That probably explains why all commercial airliners and military
> aircraft are taildraggers.
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> Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Spouse afraid to fly |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
My wife doesn't like to fly either. I had a C-172 for about 6 years and she never
saw it - 'cept in pictures.
There is one feature that an airplane must have before she'll fly in it. Can
you guess what it is? Two engines? A parachute?
Nope. A restroom.
Jeff Bertsch
Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott
I was showing a newbie my project when he mentioned that his wife didn't
like to fly, didn't want him flying and was totally against him building a
plane, but he was going to do it anyway.
There used to be an RV around the area named "Divorce One" and I see a
"Divorce Two" in the cards if he can't get his wife to change her views.
Some of you guys must have had this problem--how did you deal with it?
Did you get her to accept your flying & still have peace in the family? If
so, how did you do it?
Richard Scott
RV-9A
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Ya'll mean like the Me-262 that was first built as a taildragger but was
changed in production models because the downward jet blast ruined the
concrete & asphalt surface quicker than it could be repaired. They needed
something other than an airplane that melted & torn up taxi & runways. With
the 8th airforce and the early 262's destroying runways, they picked the
tail up & were able to off the ground to go after the B-17's and maybe have
a place to land an hour later. I watch "Wings" on TV. KABONG Do Not
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List:keep the wieght off Nosewheel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Tailwheel went away with introduction of jet engines and afterburners.
> The F-4 had its engines 2 degrees down in the rear.
> Any extended engine runs or afterburner use on the ground melted any
> asphalt
> and was very hard on concrete behind the aircraft. A tailwheel jet will
> be
> very hard on any surface.
> There was no need for prop clearance either.
> I am sure there are "real" reasons but I don't know them. :-)
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Wild Weasel #1573
> USAF, Major Retired
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
> N561FS - 270 hours - Still big smile
> do not archive
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