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1. 02:13 AM - Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Glen Matejcek)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Kevin Horton)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Glaeser, Dennis A)
4. 07:11 AM - Sun-N-Fun --- 3LF Gas Prices (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun --- Gas Prices (Chopper 1)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Rob Prior (rv7))
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun --- Gas Prices (Greg Young)
8. 08:49 AM - Engine compartment wiring (Ralph E. Capen)
9. 08:59 AM - Gas prices and updating for Sun-N-Fun (Tim Olson)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (bdjones1965)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Bob C.)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (wgill10@comcast.net)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Steve Allison)
14. 10:41 AM - Re: RV-12 question (steveadams)
15. 11:15 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Ralph E. Capen)
16. 11:19 AM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (HCRV6@comcast.net)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Charlie England)
18. 11:35 AM - Crosswind Landings (Robin Marks)
19. 12:50 PM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Kevin Horton)
20. 01:17 PM - Re: Advanced Flight EFIS Price (Sherman Butler)
21. 02:19 PM - Re: Pro-Spin, was Tip Tanks (Bob)
22. 02:19 PM - Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (John Fasching)
23. 02:19 PM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Gerry Filby)
24. 02:29 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Konrad L. Werner)
25. 02:35 PM - Cross wind landings (Steve Struyk)
26. 02:54 PM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (JOHN STARN)
27. 03:03 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Dan Checkoway)
28. 03:58 PM - Fuel Primer with injection system (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 04:08 PM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Ron Lee)
30. 04:20 PM - Re: Crosswind Landings (Mark Grieve)
31. 04:27 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (chaztuna@adelphia.net)
32. 04:32 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (Kevin Horton)
33. 04:33 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Dan Checkoway)
34. 04:36 PM - Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses (Rob Prior (rv7))
35. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (Dan Checkoway)
36. 04:58 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (scott bilinski)
37. 05:45 PM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Bob C.)
38. 05:45 PM - Re: Engine compartment wiring (Bob C.)
39. 06:16 PM - Re: Cross wind landings (Kevin Horton)
40. 06:34 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Charlie Kuss)
41. 06:52 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
42. 06:55 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Dan Checkoway)
43. 07:04 PM - Congratulations to Dan Checkoway (Vinnfizz@aol.com)
44. 07:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (Bob J.)
45. 07:48 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (Dan Checkoway)
46. 08:00 PM - Re: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway (Dan Checkoway)
47. 08:02 PM - Re: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway (Cory Emberson)
48. 08:38 PM - Garmin GPS question (Shirley Harding)
49. 08:42 PM - Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices (William Gill)
50. 09:37 PM - Re: Cross wind landings (Larry Pardue)
51. 10:47 PM - Re: Fuel Primer with injection system (Jeff Point)
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| Subject: | Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Tip tanks and wing root stresses
>.I gotta chime in here. I've flown KC-135s and C-130s, both of which are
>about 130' wide... ...when you're talking a roughly 10' wing with 120
lbs of fuel in each side
>(chock full), I'm thinking that sweating the burn sequence is a waste of
>brain cells...
Let's see, the Boeings I've flown burn the center first, as do the
Airbusses. On the other hand, the 45' Westwind I've flown burns... ah...
the center first. Hmmm. Well, at least the 36' Cessna 310 I've flown
burns the... ah.. inboards first.
>This is all the thought I'll devote to this subject.
How unfortunate.
For those who are interested, consider two chairs, a yardstick, and a roll
of quarters. Place the yardstick across the backs of the chairs. Now
place the roll of quarters on the middle of the yardstick and watch the
yardstick flex and fall between the chairs. Replace the yardstick, unroll
the quarters, and distribute them along the span of the yardstick. Watch
in amazement as the yardstick carries the load.
Now consider that the RV series was not designed with tip tanks.
The size of the aircraft is not relevant. Whatever it's size, it was
designed to do a particular job. Distributing the fuel towards the tips
decreases bending loads on the spar, which has a positive impact on both
the instantaneous load it can carry as well as it's fatigue life.
Operate your aircraft however you see fit, but physics is physics...
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 30 Mar 2006, at 05:05, Glen Matejcek wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
> <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
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> Now consider that the RV series was not designed with tip tanks.
>
> The size of the aircraft is not relevant. Whatever it's size, it was
> designed to do a particular job. Distributing the fuel towards the
> tips
> decreases bending loads on the spar, which has a positive impact on
> both
> the instantaneous load it can carry as well as it's fatigue life.
>
> Operate your aircraft however you see fit, but physics is physics...
I certainly agree that burning the inboard fuel first will reduce
wing bending loads. That could be a significant issue if you wanted
to do aerobatics with fuel in the tip tanks. But everyone seems to
agree that aerobatics should only be done when the tip tanks are empty.
The tip tanks will only be filled for cross country flight, when the
load factors are low. In this case, the wing bending stress would
only seem to be a concern if you got into heavy turbulence. If you
get into heavy turbulence with fuel in the tip tanks, you should slow
down, well below Va, to reduce the loads on the tip tank to wing
attachment.
I don't see wing bending loads as a major issue, considering how
people will fly the aircraft when there is fuel in the tip tanks. If
the wing is designed to take 6gs without tip tanks, surely it can
easily handle a typical cruise flight load spectrum with fuel in the
tips. What am I missing?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
You aren't missing a thing (as usual!) The change in root stresses that
tip tanks in an RV would produce (or reduce) are miniscule in the big
picture. I think Konrad was looking for more of a theoretical answer to
enhance his understanding of how wing loading works.
Dennis Glaeser
RV-7A Fuselage
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I don't see wing bending loads as a major issue, considering how people
will fly the aircraft when there is fuel in the tip tanks. If the wing
is designed to take 6gs without tip tanks, surely it can easily handle a
typical cruise flight load spectrum with fuel in the tips.
What am I missing?
Kevin Horton
RV-8 (finishing kit)
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun --- 3LF Gas Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Yesterday we had to increase our fuel costs.
We are now at $3.20 for 100 LL.
We had to take on more fuel and this was because of a cost increase to
us. This price should be good into May.
Phil at Litchfield, IL 3LF
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun --- Gas Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper 1" <mkellems@bellsouth.net>
RV Sun-N-Fun pilots - FYI - Fueled yesterday3/29 @ Courtland,Al for $2.87
per gal. self serve 24hrs.
This is in north Alabama. Lawrence County Airport Manager is Robert McClung
256-637-6000
----- Original Message -----
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
<sisson@consolidated.net>
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> Yesterday we had to increase our fuel costs.
>
> We are now at $3.20 for 100 LL.
> Phil at Litchfield, IL 3LF
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 2:05:17 2006-03-30 "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Now consider that the RV series was not designed with tip tanks.
This is irrelevant. The RV was designed to carry the fuel as (effectively)
a roll of quarters placed at the center of the span, since it was designed
with only inboard tanks.
Adding fuel further out merely decreases the load on the wing during
cruise. Burning the fuel from the wingtip first, you just return to the
stock configuration, which is fuel centered near the fuselage. So at no
point are you worse off than having just fuel in the inboard tanks.
> physics is physics...
Funny, that's what I was thinking... :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun --- Gas Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Any good fuel prices along the Gulf coast route (IH-10)? I'm going Houston to LAL.
Greg
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| Subject: | Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow listers,
I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am concerned
about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping around. I'm thinking
a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress, oiltemp,
fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like it,
how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Gas prices and updating for Sun-N-Fun |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
How about rather than posting all the gas prices individually,
everyone take the time to call 2 or 3 FBO's near their home
base and update the gas prices at Airnav.com
http://www.airnav.com/fuel/
I've found this resource extremely useful and money saving on
all of my long trips, but it relies on you the FBO local
to help keep these good (and bad) deals posted.
If you haven't seen the site before, check it out...it's
been up a few years and is awesome.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Personally, I used Adel clamps for only heavy wire (starter, etc.) and larger bundles
of smaller wiring. Routing a couple of spark plug leads or a couple of
instrument leads, I use the double tie wrap attachment (one around the wires
and anchor point and one between).
Couple of things to consider. Try to keep fuel, oil and instrument leads separated/segregated.
Keep electrical power and fuel separated at all costs. Don't
forget to allow for movement of the engine in its mounts. Be aware of abrasion
at firewall and other penetrations. Don't let the leads rub on anything if
possible, especially something metal or abrasive. The vibration will eventually
wear through the insulation. Keep a little slack for future maintenance
(spark plug leads loose enough to actually remove). Keep them away from heat
as much as possible or use heat shields and/or insulation.
Finally, ask yourself "what if" very often. What if this wire is pulled, kinked,
rubbed, pinched? What if the cowling rubs on it when installed, will this
linkage rub or pinch. You get the picture. Do it right the first time and you'll
have a very reliable, safe machine for a long time.
I learned most of my techniques from an old A&P friend. I'm sure there are other
methods. Sorry, don't have any pics available. I'm sure others can help with
their suggestions.
2 cents
Bryan Jones -8
Houston
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25320#25320
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Ralph,
I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
very informative.
I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
off line.
Good Luck,
Bob C - in SE Iowa
flyboy.bob@gmail.com
On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
> concerned about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
> thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
>
> I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress,
> oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
>
> Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like
> it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: wgill10@comcast.net
Hello Bob,
Please email a copy my way. Thanks.
Bill
Lee's Summit, MO
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. "
>
> Ralph,
>
> I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
> very informative.
>
> I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
> off line.
>
> Good Luck,
> Bob C - in SE Iowa
>
> flyboy.bob@gmail.com
>
>
> On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> >
> > Fellow listers,
> >
> > I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
> > concerned about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
> > thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
> >
> > I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress,
> > oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
> >
> > Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like
> > it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Ralph Capen
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Hello Bob,
Please email a copy my way. Thanks.
Bill
Lee's Summit, MO
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bob C. " flyboy.bob@gmail.com
-- RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <FLYBOY.BOB@GMAIL.COM>
Ralph,
I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
very informative.
I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
off line.
Good Luck,
Bob C - in SE Iowa
flyboy.bob@gmail.com
On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen <RECAPEN@EARTHLINK.NET>wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <RECAPEN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Fellow listers,
I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
concerned about routing the wiri
ng and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress,
oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like
it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph Capen
s page,
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
better yet, download it here:
www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
Bob C. wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
> very informative.
>
> I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
> off line.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-12 question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
mrobert569(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> Through January 2008 there is latitude because we can get it in under the
> "existing aircraft" category. But all these existing aircraft are supposed
> to be certificated prior to January 2008. After that there is a serious
> question. I think there will be some way to handle it but in what form I do
> not know at this time.
>
> Mike Robertson
>
>
Are you saying that after 2008 there will be no E-LSA?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25349#25349
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I downloaded it - thanks
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2006 1:26 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine compartment wiring
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
>
>better yet, download it here:
>
>www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
>
>
>Bob C. wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>>
>> Ralph,
>>
>> I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
>> very informative.
>>
>> I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
>> off line.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
Generally speaking, what I found worked best was two Adel clamps attached to each
other at each attach point. One goes around the nearest engine mount tube
and the other grips the wire(s), tubing or whatever. Worked well for me. In
the few locations that I used nylon wire ties I first slipped a short piece of
split hose over the engine mount tube to prevent abrasion.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 195 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
> concerned about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
> thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
>
> I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress, oiltemp,
> fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
>
> Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like it,
> how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>On 30 Mar 2006, at 05:05, Glen Matejcek wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
>><aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Now consider that the RV series was not designed with tip tanks.
>>
>>The size of the aircraft is not relevant. Whatever it's size, it was
>>designed to do a particular job. Distributing the fuel towards the
>>tips
>>decreases bending loads on the spar, which has a positive impact on
>>both
>>the instantaneous load it can carry as well as it's fatigue life.
>>
>>Operate your aircraft however you see fit, but physics is physics...
>>
>>
>
>I certainly agree that burning the inboard fuel first will reduce
>wing bending loads. That could be a significant issue if you wanted
>to do aerobatics with fuel in the tip tanks. But everyone seems to
>agree that aerobatics should only be done when the tip tanks are empty.
>
>The tip tanks will only be filled for cross country flight, when the
>load factors are low. In this case, the wing bending stress would
>only seem to be a concern if you got into heavy turbulence. If you
>get into heavy turbulence with fuel in the tip tanks, you should slow
>down, well below Va, to reduce the loads on the tip tank to wing
>attachment.
>
>I don't see wing bending loads as a major issue, considering how
>people will fly the aircraft when there is fuel in the tip tanks. If
>the wing is designed to take 6gs without tip tanks, surely it can
>easily handle a typical cruise flight load spectrum with fuel in the
>tips. What am I missing?
>
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
I don't see bending loads as an issue; I see roll & yaw authority when
low & slow in the pattern as the issue. In cruise configuration maybe it
makes sense to reduce control sensitivity a bit, but I want 'normal'
handling in the pattern. My concern is breaking a wing against the
ground after an inadvertent almost developed spin, not overloading it.
Aren't handling issues why most wing mounted aux tank systems say no acro?
I know Kevin knows about this, but for those who want to burn the
inboard tanks 1st, try this. Apply the roll of quarters trick to
control. Spread 'em out, tape them down, twirl the stick around your
body, & stop it as quickly as possible. Then try the same trick with
the whole roll at the outer end.
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| Subject: | Crosswind Landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
A friend emailed me video of Boeing Cross Wind Landing tests performed
in Brazil. It is some amazing footage. I was not able to find it online
so I threw it on one of my servers for any interested party to view.
Enjoy.
http://www.painttheweb.com/crosswind/
Robin Marks
RV-6A
250 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 30 Mar 2006, at 13:26, Steve Allison wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
>
> better yet, download it here:
>
> www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/
> training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
>
That is a very interesting document.
One thing to be careful of, if you find it useful - download it now.
Don't assume that it will always be available at that URL. The FAA
periodically revamps their web site organization, and the URLs get
changed.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Advanced Flight EFIS Price |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Special pricing for a AOA wing kit? My empennagge is nearly competed and I will
be starting on the wing soon.
RobHickman@aol.com wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com
We have our Special Pricing for Sun-n-Fun
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Pro-Spin, was Tip Tanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>
>
>In the military we had BOLDFACE. Procedures which were committed to
>memory. Spin recovery was one of them.
>
>I would like to see a discussion of pro-spin inputs to get out.
I do spins in my RV6 almost every flight. I have placarded pro-spin
inputs to get out. I read them before every flight. Since each RV is
different I will not reiterate them for the RV6. They should be in your
builders manual. Yes I also have them memorized, but should for some
unexplainable reason I loose my memory during flight then, I can read all
about it.
As for the RV6 the pro-spin inputs in the builders manual work for upright
spins. I have not tried flat or inverted spins, or spins beyond two
revolutions.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I received a "spring flyer" for some of Aircraft Tool Supply's offerings.
One item that caught my eye was Champion Oil Filters...pretty standard units ...
Aircraft Spruce lits them for $16.25 in my 2005 catalog, but ATS is offering
them for the
"Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get all you need
for only $27.46 each.
Wow! what a deal !!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Sweet !! Thx for posting the URL.
g
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>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison <stevea@svpal.org>
>
> better yet, download it here:
>
> www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
>
>
>
> Bob C. wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
> >
> > Ralph,
> >
> > I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
> > very informative.
> >
> > I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
> > off line.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
__g__
==========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
A filter is there to clean, and these clean your pocket !!! Couldn't resist that
one. do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: RV List
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I received a "spring flyer" for some of Aircraft Tool Supply's offerings.
One item that caught my eye was Champion Oil Filters...pretty standard units
... Aircraft Spruce lits them for $16.25 in my 2005 catalog, but ATS is offering
them for the
"Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get all you
need for only $27.46 each.
Wow! what a deal !!
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| Subject: | Cross wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
Amazing video! What surprised me was that the "demonstrated crosswind" was made
with no rudder and aileron inputs. It appears that it demonstrates the maximum
side load capability rather than the cross control effectiveness. For years
I've been under the impression the limit was set by the latter.
Do Not Archive
Steve Struyk
RV-8, St. Charles, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I see your point, not an injenear just an old plumber. AND Kevin knows a
whole more about this stuff than me.
Take a 10' stick of 1/2" PVC (the older the better) and tape the quarters on
the end next to your hand & "snap" the pipe like a whip. It "may" break.
Take hold of the same pipe on the other end, snap it in the same motion.
OH yea, before you snap it the second time, clear the area of people, dogs &
breakable things. Borrow a full face helmet, wear gloves & and a thick
jacket. The second snap will result not on a simple break but PVC shrapnel.
Been there, tried that. Now think of the PVC pipe as a wing. As I said I'm
no injenear but I do live in the real world where stupid tricks have been
done just to see how things work. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip tanks and wing root stresses
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Kevin Horton wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>>On 30 Mar 2006, at 05:05, Glen Matejcek wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
>>><aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>>Now consider that the RV series was not designed with tip tanks.
>>>
>>>The size of the aircraft is not relevant. Whatever it's size, it was
>>>designed to do a particular job. Distributing the fuel towards the
>>>tips
>>>decreases bending loads on the spar, which has a positive impact on
>>>both
>>>the instantaneous load it can carry as well as it's fatigue life.
>>>
>>>Operate your aircraft however you see fit, but physics is physics...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I certainly agree that burning the inboard fuel first will reduce
>>wing bending loads. That could be a significant issue if you wanted
>>to do aerobatics with fuel in the tip tanks. But everyone seems to
>>agree that aerobatics should only be done when the tip tanks are empty.
>>
>>The tip tanks will only be filled for cross country flight, when the
>>load factors are low. In this case, the wing bending stress would
>>only seem to be a concern if you got into heavy turbulence. If you
>>get into heavy turbulence with fuel in the tip tanks, you should slow
>>down, well below Va, to reduce the loads on the tip tank to wing
>>attachment.
>>
>>I don't see wing bending loads as a major issue, considering how
>>people will fly the aircraft when there is fuel in the tip tanks. If
>>the wing is designed to take 6gs without tip tanks, surely it can
>>easily handle a typical cruise flight load spectrum with fuel in the
>>tips. What am I missing?
>>
>>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>
> I don't see bending loads as an issue; I see roll & yaw authority when
> low & slow in the pattern as the issue. In cruise configuration maybe it
> makes sense to reduce control sensitivity a bit, but I want 'normal'
> handling in the pattern. My concern is breaking a wing against the
> ground after an inadvertent almost developed spin, not overloading it.
> Aren't handling issues why most wing mounted aux tank systems say no acro?
>
> I know Kevin knows about this, but for those who want to burn the
> inboard tanks 1st, try this. Apply the roll of quarters trick to
> control. Spread 'em out, tape them down, twirl the stick around your
> body, & stop it as quickly as possible. Then try the same trick with
> the whole roll at the outer end.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get all
> you need for only $27.46 each.
http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got 'em)
FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110 oil
filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours now --
and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few bucks.
I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on the
Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate wherever I
don't feel there is a safety risk.
Photos toward the bottom of this page:
http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger? I
forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly. I
figured...baby steps.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Is it really necessary?
How have some of you done it?
I'm thinking that there are two major possibilities:
Tee from the fuel selector valve to the boost pump (non pressurized side) to a
Cessna type pump-knob to three of the four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
Solenoid from pressurized side to single line with three outlets for three of the
four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
Pictures, descriptions, parts lists would be appreciated.
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
If having weight at the end of the wing is so great and beneficial then
why didn't Van's design it that way? It seems to me that any benefit
is just unneeded gravy.
The biggie is that it causes no harm.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind Landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Robin,
This video was mailed out through one of the RV lists a couple months
ago and the sender was flamed because of the large attachment. My days
are spent removing big emails from customers' mailboxes so I really
appreciate you providing the link.
Mark
Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
> A friend emailed me video of Boeing Cross Wind Landing tests performed
> in Brazil. It is some amazing footage. I was not able to find it online
> so I threw it on one of my servers for any interested party to view.
> Enjoy.
>
>
>
> http://www.painttheweb.com/crosswind/
>
>
>
> Robin Marks
>
> RV-6A
>
> 250 hours
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
> _
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
Cc: Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net
Dan,
You might want to reconsider that move. In 2004, Aviation Consumer did a comparison
of the Champion and Kelly oil filters (Volume XXXIV Number 9). The Kelly
has 20% less filtering area. Bottom line was they recommend spending the extra
money for the Champion. I can email you a scan of the article if you like.
Charlie Kuss
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get all
> > you need for only $27.46 each.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got 'em)
>
> FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110 oil
> filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours now --
> and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few bucks.
> I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
> element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on the
> Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate wherever I
> don't feel there is a safety risk.
>
> Photos toward the bottom of this page:
> http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
>
> Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger? I
> forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly. I
> figured...baby steps.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 30 Mar 2006, at 18:48, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Is it really necessary?
>
> How have some of you done it?
>
> I'm thinking that there are two major possibilities:
>
> Tee from the fuel selector valve to the boost pump (non pressurized
> side) to a Cessna type pump-knob to three of the four cylinders
> (fourth for MP?).
>
> Solenoid from pressurized side to single line with three outlets
> for three of the four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
>
> Pictures, descriptions, parts lists would be appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
There is no need for a fuel primer if you have fuel injection. The
electric boost pump will pressurize the system. Then you put the
mixture to rich for a short period, which causes fuel to come out of
each injector nozzle, priming the engine. You put the mixture back
to lean when you have primed enough.
Forget about the primer.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Charlie,
That's in line with what I photographed. Less filtering area. I don't
personally think it's all that critical for a plane that is flown regularly,
oil changed every 25 tach, oil+filter changed every 50 tach. I'm not trying
to convince anybody of anything, like to use Kelly over Champion, just
saying that I use Kelly to save a coupla bucks and don't believe I'm taking
a measurable risk.
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Cc: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
> Dan,
> You might want to reconsider that move. In 2004, Aviation Consumer did a
> comparison of the Champion and Kelly oil filters (Volume XXXIV Number 9).
> The Kelly has 20% less filtering area. Bottom line was they recommend
> spending the extra money for the Champion. I can email you a scan of the
> article if you like.
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>> > "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get
>> > all
>> > you need for only $27.46 each.
>>
>> http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got
>> 'em)
>>
>> FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110 oil
>> filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours
>> now --
>> and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few
>> bucks.
>> I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
>> element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on
>> the
>> Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate wherever
>> I
>> don't feel there is a safety risk.
>>
>> Photos toward the bottom of this page:
>> http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
>>
>> Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger? I
>> forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly. I
>> figured...baby steps.
>>
>> )_( Dan
>> RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
>> http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tip tanks and wing root stresses |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 16:06:53 2006-03-30 Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> If having weight at the end of the wing is so great and beneficial
> then why didn't Van's design it that way?
It's only great for a cross-country cruiser. For a light, sporty aircraft
like an RV, the extra weight out there robs you of roll rate and increases
your moment of inertia in spins. It's also more complex to build, and more
plumbing to install. I guess Van wanted to keep it simple.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Imho, primer is a liability on an injected engine, rather than any sort of
benefit. The nice thing about injected engines, at least the Lycomings I'm
familiar with, is that you can prime the engine with the injection system.
You already have a direct means of feeding fuel to the cylinders. There is
no need (imho) for a dedicated priming system on an injected Lycoming. Just
more stuff to buy & more stuff to break.
It never gets old, how quickly my engine (IO-360-A1B6 + Slick IC + Plasma
II) fires up when cold. Cold starting an injected engine, particularly with
electronic ignition, don't blink, you might miss it! ;-)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
<lycomingengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Primer with injection system
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Is it really necessary?
>
> How have some of you done it?
>
> I'm thinking that there are two major possibilities:
>
> Tee from the fuel selector valve to the boost pump (non pressurized side)
> to a Cessna type pump-knob to three of the four cylinders (fourth for
> MP?).
>
> Solenoid from pressurized side to single line with three outlets for three
> of the four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
>
> Pictures, descriptions, parts lists would be appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
Turn the boost pump on.....There is your prime.
"Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by:
"Ralph E. Capen"
Is it really necessary?
How have some of you done it?
I'm thinking that there are two major possibilities:
Tee from the fuel selector valve to the boost pump (non pressurized side) to a
Cessna type pump-knob to three of the four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
Solenoid from pressurized side to single line with three outlets for three of the
four cylinders (fourth for MP?).
Pictures, descriptions, parts lists would be appreciated.
Ralph Capen
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
You may have seen this, but you can downloand a pdf of it off the web . . .
probably easier to deal with.
www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
Good Luck,
Bob
On 3/30/06, wgill10@comcast.net <wgill10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: wgill10@comcast.net
>
> Hello Bob,
>
> Please email a copy my way. Thanks.
>
> Bill
> Lee's Summit, MO
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. "
> >
> > Ralph,
> >
> > I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
> > very informative.
> >
> > I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an
> email
> > off line.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Bob C - in SE Iowa
> >
> > flyboy.bob@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> > >
> > > Fellow listers,
> > >
> > > I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I
> am
> > > concerned about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping
> around. I'm
> > > thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
> > >
> > > I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs,
> oilpress,
> > > oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
> > >
> > > Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you
> like
> > > it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Ralph Capen
> > >
> > >
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> Hello Bob,
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> Please email a copy my way. Thanks.
>
> Bill
> Lee's Summit, MO
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bob C. " flyboy.bob@gmail.com
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <FLYBOY.BOB@GMAIL.COM>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I have a power-point that I down loaded from the FAA? It's overkill but
> very informative.
>
> I send you a copy . . . If anyone else would like a copy send me an email
> off line.
>
> Good Luck,
> Bob C - in SE Iowa
>
> flyboy.bob@gmail.com
>
>
> On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen <RECAPEN@EARTHLINK.NET>wrote:
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <RECAPEN@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
> concerned about routing the wiri
> ng and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
> thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
>
> I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress,
> oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
>
> Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like
> it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
>
> s page,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine compartment wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
You may have seen this, but you can downloand a pdf of it off the web . . .
probably easier to deal with.
www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/training/der_present/la_may/media/Electrical%20Wiring.pdf
Good Luck,
Bob
On 3/30/06, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I need to steal some more ideas for wiring in and around the engine. I am
> concerned about routing the wiring and keeping it from flopping around. I'm
> thinking a bunch of Adel clamps - but where/how attached/etc,
>
> I have starter, alternators (both field and bus), CHTs, EGTs, oilpress,
> oiltemp, fuelpress, sparkplugs, and more....
>
> Pointers to web sites or pictures (off-list) of what you did, how you like
> it, how well it works for maintenance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 30 Mar 2006, at 17:34, Steve Struyk wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
>
> Amazing video! What surprised me was that the "demonstrated
> crosswind" was made with no rudder and aileron inputs. It appears
> that it demonstrates the maximum side load capability rather than
> the cross control effectiveness. For years I've been under the
> impression the limit was set by the latter.
>
> Do Not Archive
It all depends on the airplane. The big jets cannot touch down with
very much bank angle, or you risk touching an engine to the runway.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Dan
It's your engine and airplane. I could understand saving on the
Kelly filter, if you were changing the oil and filter every 25 hours.
Changing the filter that often, I doubt that a 20% reduction in
filter area would make any difference. The problem with clogging a
filter, is that the bypass valve in the filter then opens. Once that
happens, the filter is effectively gone. The oil moves through the
system unfiltered.
I see the same thing with auto manufacturers who specify full
synthetic motor oil and 10,000 mile oil changes. The oil can go that
distance. Often, however, the filter will clog much sooner. The
benefit of using a superior oil is lost, if it's not being filtered
the last 3-5 thousand miles of each oil change interval. I recommend
that folks who use synthetic oil/long drain periods, change out the
oil filter mid way through the extended drain period.
50 hours means 50 X 160 mph = 8000 miles. That's a long way to go
without changing the oil filter.
Charlie
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Charlie,
>
>That's in line with what I photographed. Less filtering area. I don't
>personally think it's all that critical for a plane that is flown regularly,
>oil changed every 25 tach, oil+filter changed every 50 tach. I'm not trying
>to convince anybody of anything, like to use Kelly over Champion, just
>saying that I use Kelly to save a coupla bucks and don't believe I'm taking
>a measurable risk.
>
>do not archive
>)_( Dan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Cc: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:26 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
>
>
> > Dan,
> > You might want to reconsider that move. In 2004, Aviation Consumer did a
> > comparison of the Champion and Kelly oil filters (Volume XXXIV Number 9).
> > The Kelly has 20% less filtering area. Bottom line was they recommend
> > spending the extra money for the Champion. I can email you a scan of the
> > article if you like.
> > Charlie Kuss
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> >>
> >> > "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get
> >> > all
> >> > you need for only $27.46 each.
> >>
> >> http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got
> >> 'em)
> >>
> >> FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110 oil
> >> filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours
> >> now --
> >> and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few
> >> bucks.
> >> I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
> >> element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on
> >> the
> >> Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate wherever
> >> I
> >> don't feel there is a safety risk.
> >>
> >> Photos toward the bottom of this page:
> >> http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
> >>
> >> Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger? I
> >> forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly. I
> >> figured...baby steps.
> >>
> >> )_( Dan
> >> RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
> >> http://www.rvproject.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 03/30/2006 6:38:04 PM Central Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
It never gets old, how quickly my engine (IO-360-A1B6 + Slick IC + Plasma
II) fires up when cold.
>>
Oh yeah- right! "Cold" in your case being what? 8-)
(sometimes I just can't help it.....)
Mark - not so "cold" here in TN either and do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I don't necessarily disagree with you. But lemme put it this way -- if it
gets so bad that the filter bypass is in use, 20% more filter area ain't
gonna do diddly...I would have MUCH BIGGER problems than just that!
I appreciate your concern, though.
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Dan
> It's your engine and airplane. I could understand saving on the
> Kelly filter, if you were changing the oil and filter every 25 hours.
> Changing the filter that often, I doubt that a 20% reduction in
> filter area would make any difference. The problem with clogging a
> filter, is that the bypass valve in the filter then opens. Once that
> happens, the filter is effectively gone. The oil moves through the
> system unfiltered.
> I see the same thing with auto manufacturers who specify full
> synthetic motor oil and 10,000 mile oil changes. The oil can go that
> distance. Often, however, the filter will clog much sooner. The
> benefit of using a superior oil is lost, if it's not being filtered
> the last 3-5 thousand miles of each oil change interval. I recommend
> that folks who use synthetic oil/long drain periods, change out the
> oil filter mid way through the extended drain period.
> 50 hours means 50 X 160 mph = 8000 miles. That's a long way to go
> without changing the oil filter.
> Charlie
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>Charlie,
>>
>>That's in line with what I photographed. Less filtering area. I don't
>>personally think it's all that critical for a plane that is flown
>>regularly,
>>oil changed every 25 tach, oil+filter changed every 50 tach. I'm not
>>trying
>>to convince anybody of anything, like to use Kelly over Champion, just
>>saying that I use Kelly to save a coupla bucks and don't believe I'm
>>taking
>>a measurable risk.
>>
>>do not archive
>>)_( Dan
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Cc: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
>>
>>
>> > Dan,
>> > You might want to reconsider that move. In 2004, Aviation Consumer did
>> > a
>> > comparison of the Champion and Kelly oil filters (Volume XXXIV Number
>> > 9).
>> > The Kelly has 20% less filtering area. Bottom line was they recommend
>> > spending the extra money for the Champion. I can email you a scan of
>> > the
>> > article if you like.
>> > Charlie Kuss
>> >
>> >
>> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>> >>
>> >> > "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get
>> >> > all
>> >> > you need for only $27.46 each.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got
>> >> 'em)
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110
>> >> oil
>> >> filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours
>> >> now --
>> >> and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few
>> >> bucks.
>> >> I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
>> >> element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on
>> >> the
>> >> Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate
>> >> wherever
>> >> I
>> >> don't feel there is a safety risk.
>> >>
>> >> Photos toward the bottom of this page:
>> >> http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
>> >>
>> >> Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger?
>> >> I
>> >> forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly.
>> >> I
>> >> figured...baby steps.
>> >>
>> >> )_( Dan
>> >> RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
>> >> http://www.rvproject.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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| Subject: | Congratulations to Dan Checkoway |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vinnfizz@aol.com
I would like to congratulate Dan on becoming an Instructor for SportAir
Workshops in Corona, California (see link below). Having had the honor to be
invited for a flight with him in his RV-7 back in December, I can't begin to say
what an enjoyable experience it was to finally meet this guy in person after I
read along on his progress in building his RV-7 all documented in his
RVproject.com site for the last few years.
_http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html_
(http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html)
Ed Flow
RV-8 Emp
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
Guys,
I use Napa Gold 1068 filters, or Wix 51068. $5.96 at the local Napa. No
safety nut but who cares, if you torque it down it isn't going to come off
in flight. A few RV's in my area fly with these filters with no problems.
I can't remember exactly what the burst pressure on these filters is but its
somewhere in the 400 psi neighborhood. My oil analyses have come back good
with less than average metal content for an O-360. A big advantage of this
filter is that it has an anti-drainback valve, which keeps oil in the filter
when the engine is shut down so that the top end quickly gets oil during
start-up. When I cut these filters for inspection, I have measured 1/2 qt.
of oil out of them even after standing it up on its end. Why pay $18 for a
filter design that is 40 years old.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Oh yeah- right! "Cold" in your case being what? 8-)
> (sometimes I just can't help it.....)
Good point. Well, one time up at Truckee (Tahoe) I started my RV-7 when it
was 35F outsize. Does that qualify me for the Cold Club? ;-)
No worries, I learned to fly in Boston where I literally kept a pushbroom in
my trunk to clear snow off the wings...just one big reason I now live out
here!
do not archive
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Thanks! All my victims, er, students have Gary Sobek (RV-6, DAR, TC,
formation instructor, mentor) to blame. He made me do it... ;-)
The best part of these workshops is the moment when you see the light go on
for each student..."Wow, I really CAN do this!" Almost as fun as giving
first RV rides.
Ed, iirc you had a 140 restoration going...sounds like the -8 emp has taken
its place! Hope all is well with you.
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vinnfizz@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: RV-List: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vinnfizz@aol.com
>
> I would like to congratulate Dan on becoming an Instructor for SportAir
> Workshops in Corona, California (see link below). Having had the honor to
> be
> invited for a flight with him in his RV-7 back in December, I can't begin
> to say
> what an enjoyable experience it was to finally meet this guy in person
> after I
> read along on his progress in building his RV-7 all documented in his
> RVproject.com site for the last few years.
>
>
> _http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html_
> (http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html)
>
>
> Ed Flow
> RV-8 Emp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway |
--> RV-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Congratulations, Dan! Well done!
best, Cory
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Vinnfizz@aol.com
>Sent: Mar 30, 2006 7:02 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Congratulations to Dan Checkoway
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Vinnfizz@aol.com
>
>I would like to congratulate Dan on becoming an Instructor for SportAir
>Workshops in Corona, California (see link below). Having had the honor to be
>invited for a flight with him in his RV-7 back in December, I can't begin to say
>what an enjoyable experience it was to finally meet this guy in person after I
> read along on his progress in building his RV-7 all documented in his
>RVproject.com site for the last few years.
>
>
>
>_http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html_
>(http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/060330_sportair.html)
>
>
>Ed Flow
>RV-8 Emp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin GPS question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shirley Harding" <shirleyh@oceanbroadband.net>
Has any one used the new Garmin iQue 3600A? Looks like a great product - I'd be
interested to hear from any one who's using it. Also, can any one tell me how
it differs from the GPS MAP 296 model? The iQue appears to be the better unit,
yet here in Oz it's being sold at a cheaper price than the 296.
Shirley Harding
Perth, Western Australia
RV6 VH ASF - watching the cyclone and hoping for good wx for first flight this
weekend!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Skygeek price:
<http://www.skygeek.com/ch48110-1.html> ChampionR CH48110-1 Oil Filter
<http://www.skygeek.com/ch48110-1.html> ChampionR CH48110-1 Oil Filter
$17.10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aircraft Tool Supply Oil Filter Prices
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> "Retail Price" of $33.90, but offering 20% reduction, so you can get
all
> you need for only $27.46 each.
http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html (send me updates if you got
'em)
FWIW, I switched from Champion CH48110-1 to Kelly Aerospace ES48110 oil
filters and have been using them exclusively for a few hundred hours now
--
and I plan to keep using them. $12.65/ea from Spruce. Saving a few
bucks.
I did a photographic comparison of the Champion vs. Kelly oil filter
element. There are physical differences, particularly fewer pleats on
the
Kelly. But nothing (imho) that's significant. I'm a cheapskate
wherever I
don't feel there is a safety risk.
Photos toward the bottom of this page:
http://www.rvproject.com/20050613.html
Spruce used to sell another even cheaper oil filter, maybe Challenger?
I
forget the name. It was like another 2 bucks cheaper than the Kelly. I
figured...baby steps.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (843 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cross wind landings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 30 Mar 2006, at 17:34, Steve Struyk wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Amazing video! What surprised me was that the "demonstrated
>> crosswind" was made with no rudder and aileron inputs. It appears
>> that it demonstrates the maximum side load capability rather than
>> the cross control effectiveness. For years I've been under the
>> impression the limit was set by the latter.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>
> It all depends on the airplane. The big jets cannot touch down with
> very much bank angle, or you risk touching an engine to the runway.
>
Same problem an open class sailplane has. No reason they couldn't kick the
crab out though, or at least part of it. It is hard for me to watch just
landing in the full crab.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Primer with injection system |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Good point. Well, one time up at Truckee (Tahoe) I started my RV-7 when
it was 35F outsize. Does that qualify me for the Cold Club? ;-)
Not even close. The snow brush story might get you a junior membership
though. ;)
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee
do not archive
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