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1. 12:21 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:03 AM - Wing conduit material (Sherman Butler)
3. 04:24 AM - Re: Wing conduit material (RAS)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Wing conduit material (Dan Checkoway)
5. 06:04 AM - Need owner histories for a Kitplanes article (Ed Wischmeyer)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Heavy Wing (Finn Lassen)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: towing 6a (Jeff Dowling)
8. 07:41 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Darwin N. Barrie)
9. 07:51 AM - Re: RV-6 Chicago area for sale (Jeff Dowling)
10. 07:52 AM - Re: Wing conduit material (Dave Nellis)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: Need owner histories for a Kitplanes article (Evan and Megan Johnson)
12. 08:44 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Chuck)
13. 09:06 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (gert)
14. 09:08 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (gert)
15. 11:32 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (BillDube@killacycle.com)
16. 11:32 AM - West system kit on sale (Sherman Butler)
17. 11:32 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (BillDube@killacycle.com)
18. 11:32 AM - Re: World's best airplane battery (BillDube@killacycle.com)
19. 02:01 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Chris W)
20. 03:46 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (BillDube@killacycle.com)
21. 03:46 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (BillDube@killacycle.com)
22. 04:52 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Sam Buchanan)
23. 05:13 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Chuck)
24. 05:37 PM - Re: West system kit on sale (Dan Checkoway)
25. 05:37 PM - Re: West system kit on sale (Dan Checkoway)
26. 05:38 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Jerry Springer)
27. 06:08 PM - Re: West system kit on sale (Sherman Butler)
28. 06:54 PM - Re: Wing conduit material (Jerry Grimmonpre)
29. 06:56 PM - 6A towbar (Dale Ensing)
30. 07:42 PM - NASM47196 (rivet specs) (Dan Checkoway)
31. 08:21 PM - P-Mags (Karen and Robert Brown)
32. 08:40 PM - Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) (David Fenstermacher)
33. 08:44 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Dave Nellis)
34. 08:49 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Paul Trotter)
35. 08:49 PM - Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) (Dave Fenstermacher)
36. 08:51 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Chopper 2)
37. 09:16 PM - Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) (Paul Trotter)
38. 09:22 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (William Gill)
39. 10:35 PM - Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) (Vanremog@aol.com)
40. 11:21 PM - Re: World's best airplane battery (Chris W)
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> 14 volts
> 480 cranking amps
> 8.8 amp-hours
> 2.7 pounds (Yes, really just 2.7 pounds.)
> 10 year warrantee (prorated)
> Completely sealed battery
> Safer than lead acid or NiCad
> Built-in electronic monitoring system warns of over-voltage,
> under-voltage, over heating, or internal battery fault.
Bill,
You didn't mention size or shape. I'm building an auto
conversion, so for me the main issues are amp-hours,
size, weight, and degradation. Not sure if degradation
is the right term, but what I mean is - will the battery
still have 8.8 amp-hours in 2 years when I need it?
In 7 years?
Also, a way to know exactly how much juice is left in
the battery at any particular moment would be great
for my application. It's as important as a fuel gauge
when the alternator fails.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Wing conduit material |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
I found 3/4 inch 6061-T6 .058 wall tubing for $1.XX at foot. Would this be suitable
for wing conduit material? Would this provide some electrical shielding?
Sherman Butler
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Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Wing conduit material |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
6061 is conductive. If a wire breaks and touches the conduit it will spark.
Try something a little less conductive like PVC, ordinary conduit.
Marcel
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From: "Sherman Butler" <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wing conduit material
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
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> I found 3/4 inch 6061-T6 .058 wall tubing for $1.XX at foot. Would this
> be suitable for wing conduit material? Would this provide some electrical
> shielding?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing conduit material |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Don't know about anybody else, but for conduit, I wouldn't want a material
that conducts or corrodes. I'm personally a fan of plastic or PVC. FWIW, I
used the black conduit that Van's sells. http://tinyurl.com/pubwa It's as
close to "weightless" as conduit gets, and it's less than 30 cents per foot.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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From: "Sherman Butler" <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:53 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wing conduit material
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
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> I found 3/4 inch 6061-T6 .058 wall tubing for $1.XX at foot. Would this
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> shielding?
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> Sherman Butler
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| Subject: | Need owner histories for a Kitplanes article |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch@cableone.net>
Folks -
For an upcoming Kitplanes article, I'm doing a story on RV
maintenance history, things that a second owner might want to be
aware of, etc. Please email me your phone number and I'll give you a
call -- that works lots better than Q&A email.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
RV-4 third owner
RV-10 builder
www.greatusermanuals.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Nope. My RV-3 had about 1.5 degrees washout. Was clearly visible when
sighting diagonally across the wing.
So if it's bad enough you can eyeball it.
Finn
Jerry Springer wrote:
>Charles when you say your friend took a look did he measure it some way
>or an "eyeball" look? I would think that it would
>be pretty hard to see without some precise measuring. Just curious as to
>how he determined a warped wing?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Please send it Dale. I need to come up with something.
Thanks
Jeff
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From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: towing 6a
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
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> Jeff,
> If you have someone who can do some welding for you I'll send you the
> details of one I made for my 6A. Works very well. I tow it with a John
> Deere
> lawn tractor up a grass hill to my hngar. '
> Dale Ensing
> RV-6A N118DE
> Aero Plantation NC
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Hi Bill,
Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it is, I would have extreme concerns
as to what the safety measures would be insure no fire or explosion.
Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered electrics and helicopters, I can
tell you these batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these batteries
when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I charge them in a deal called a "battery
bunker" which is like a small SWAT team containment can in the event of over
heating and/or explosion.
I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to the ground while charging these
batteries. They cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded when only
being charged at .5 its rated amperage. Normal charge is 1:1.
I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough sell. Maybe after you put one
in your plane and fly it a few hundred hours they may gain some acceptance. In
the mean time $475 equates to 7 Odyssey batteries.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
RV-7 N717EE
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6 Chicago area for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
What airport?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Flamini" <flamini2@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-6 Chicago area for sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Flamini" <flamini2@comcast.net>
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> For sale RV-6 tilt-up in Chicago area;
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> Warnake wood prop
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| Subject: | Re: Wing conduit material |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Wires on high vibration machinery are often replaced
due to vibration wear.
Something to consider. When your engine is running,
even though you may think it is running smooth, there
is vibration. The wires inside the metal conduit will
also vibrate and ever so slightly and abrade till they
wear through. This will happen in the air more often
than not. Use PVC conduit or the flexible tubing that
looks like shop vac hose. I would rather replace a
worn conduit than worn and shorted wires. I have been
an electrician for 28 years, so I feel somewhat
qualified to answer your question.
--- Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler
> <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
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> I found 3/4 inch 6061-T6 .058 wall tubing for $1.XX
> at foot. Would this be suitable for wing conduit
> material? Would this provide some electrical
> shielding?
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> Sherman Butler
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> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Empennage
> Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Need owner histories for a Kitplanes article |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I cant stress enough how important it is to get the builder to show you ALL
deviations from the plans. As a second owner it is often very hard to find
them, but the builder knows every detail of the airframe. For example I just
built a set of new fuel tanks for a very nice RV4 that is being rebuilt
after an accident. Problem is the original builder put RV6 tanks on his bird
for extra fuel and the current owner did not know. So the nice shiny new
tanks are about 8" short. This one worked out well as we were lucky enough
to have another builder need the same tanks at the same time so they got
drop shipped to him instead. Now my client will have to wait as I order new
parts and build new tanks....if nothing else this is costing a lot of down
time. On top of all this, these kind of changes are certainly not approved
by Vans. Now I know everybody has their own comfort limits as far as changes
go, but as a second owner you will not be tuned into the airplane anatomy as
the original builder is. You need to know where even the smallest changes
are even to begin to draw your lines. My advice is at the very least, find
somebody who you trust and who has built the same airplane to go with you
for your pre-buy inspection.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Wischmeyer" <edwisch@cableone.net>
<r6-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: RV-List: Need owner histories for a Kitplanes article
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch@cableone.net>
>
> Folks -
>
> For an upcoming Kitplanes article, I'm doing a story on RV
> maintenance history, things that a second owner might want to be
> aware of, etc. Please email me your phone number and I'll give you a
> call -- that works lots better than Q&A email.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Ed Wischmeyer
> RV-4 third owner
> RV-10 builder
> www.greatusermanuals.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Bill, I've got several aircraft that I would put them in " if " they were SAFE
and you could keep the price under $500. I echo others' concern on the technology
being safe.
Chuck
"BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com"
I am considering producing state-of-the art, very lightweight, ultra
long life, starting batteries for experimental aircraft. They won't
be cheap to make, however. I'd like to get some feedback as to the
market for these before I put a big effort into this.
Here are the specs:
14 volts
480 cranking amps
8.8 amp-hours
2.7 pounds (Yes, really just 2.7 pounds.)
10 year warrantee (prorated)
Completely sealed battery
Safer than lead acid or NiCad
Built-in electronic monitoring system warns of over-voltage,
under-voltage, over heating, or internal battery fault.
That is all the good news. The downside is that they will cost about
$475. I'm not sure how many folks would want a 10 year battery (at
least) that weighs about 1/3 as much as an "ordinary" battery, but
costs four times as much.
The specs above are real. I have personally tested these batteries
and they do, indeed, perform this well, so that is not an issue. I
know I can make these. I'm going to make one for myself. The question
is, will folks buy them if I more of them?
Let me know if you think you would be interested in such a high-tech
battery at this cost.
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hmm yes, there is a video clip at
http://www.helihobby.com/videos/*LithiumBattery*.*wmv* showing the
effects of an overcharged Lithium Ion battery. Now i believe this
battery was intentionally overcharged, but.... the pyro at the end is
still impressive.
As a forensics person i have seen my share of Li-Ion batteries which
caused fire or harm, plenty recalls for especially aftermarket camera
and cellphone batteries going around.
Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it is, I would have extreme concerns
as to what the safety measures would be insure no fire or explosion.
>
> Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered electrics and helicopters, I can
tell you these batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these batteries
when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I charge them in a deal called a "battery
bunker" which is like a small SWAT team containment can in the event of
over heating and/or explosion.
>
> I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to the ground while charging these
batteries. They cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded when
only being charged at .5 its rated amperage. Normal charge is 1:1.
>
> I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough sell. Maybe after you put one
in your plane and fly it a few hundred hours they may gain some acceptance.
In the mean time $475 equates to 7 Odyssey batteries.
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
> RV-7 N717EE
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hmmm somehow asterixes sneaked in the correct URL is
http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it is, I would have extreme concerns
as to what the safety measures would be insure no fire or explosion.
>
> Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered electrics and helicopters, I can
tell you these batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these batteries
when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I charge them in a deal called a "battery
bunker" which is like a small SWAT team containment can in the event of
over heating and/or explosion.
>
> I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to the ground while charging these
batteries. They cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded when
only being charged at .5 its rated amperage. Normal charge is 1:1.
>
> I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough sell. Maybe after you put one
in your plane and fly it a few hundred hours they may gain some acceptance.
In the mean time $475 equates to 7 Odyssey batteries.
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
> RV-7 N717EE
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
At 08:36 AM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it is, I would have
>extreme concerns as to what the safety measures would be insure no
>fire or explosion.
Safety is not an issue. That is why they are so expensive.
The specs are real. I have personally tested them myself.
Would you pay $475 for such a battery?
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | West system kit on sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
A west system epoxy kit is on sale at www.JamestownDistributors.com.
Fast WSY-105BKITF
Slow WAY-105BKITS 110.59
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Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
At 01:17 AM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> > 14 volts
> > 480 cranking amps
> > 8.8 amp-hours
> > 2.7 pounds (Yes, really just 2.7 pounds.)
> > 10 year warrantee (prorated)
> > Completely sealed battery
> > Safer than lead acid or NiCad
> > Built-in electronic monitoring system warns of over-voltage,
> > under-voltage, over heating, or internal battery fault.
>
>Bill,
>
>You didn't mention size or shape. I'm building an auto
>conversion, so for me the main issues are amp-hours,
>size, weight, and degradation. Not sure if degradation
>is the right term, but what I mean is - will the battery
>still have 8.8 amp-hours in 2 years when I need it?
>In 7 years?
>Also, a way to know exactly how much juice is left in
>the battery at any particular moment would be great
>for my application. It's as important as a fuel gauge
>when the alternator fails.
The internal electronics will tell you when you are near the
end of the capacity. You could test the capacity using that feature
during your annual, for example, to track the battery performance.
If you want a actual battery fuel gauge, it would be extra.
It isn't hard to do, but it requires a lot more electronic hardware.
You can buy one commercially for your present battery if you want to.
They are called a Link-10. Boats, RVs (the other kind), fork lifts,
and electric cars use them.
http://www.energyoutfitters.com/default.htm?http://www.energyoutfitters.com/products/p_m_electronics/xantrex_link10.shtm
They are pricey, but work very well. They are very
lightweight. I plan to install one in my RV (since I have an
electronic ignition and EFI.)
Bill Dube'
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
At 11:26 PM 4/8/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
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>I find your claims a bit hard to believe.
Here's what I do for my other hobby:
http://www.killacycle.com
These batteries are the latest and best available. I have
been working directly with the manufacturer.
Forget everything you know about batteries. For the moment,
consider these are made of "Krell metal". :-)
<http://www.umich.edu/~umfandsf/film/promise/forbidden-krell-tech.html>
The specs are a fact. I'm just interested in whether folks
would be willing to pay $475 for such a battery.
Bill Dube'
> The only battery chemistry, I
>know of, that can put that many watt hours in that light of a package
>are lithium polymer. The price sounds about right for a lithium polymer
>battery that size too. I don't know for sure if you can pull that many
>amps from a lithium polymer battery, but I do know they are no where
>near as safe as SLA or NiCads.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>>
>>I find your claims a bit hard to believe.
>>
>>
>
>Here's what I do for my other hobby:
>
>http://www.killacycle.com
>
> These batteries are the latest and best available. I have
>been working directly with the manufacturer.
>
> Forget everything you know about batteries. For the moment,
>consider these are made of "Krell metal". :-)
>
><http://www.umich.edu/~umfandsf/film/promise/forbidden-krell-tech.html>
>
> The specs are a fact. I'm just interested in whether folks
>would be willing to pay $475 for such a battery.
>
>
If such a battery does really exist I am sure people would pay for it.
Especially those in the electric RC plane hobby. However you have not
yet convinced me that a battery that meets all the criteria in your OP
exists. The links above mention nothing about such a battery, at least
if they don't I can't find it. I don't mean any disrespect, but I am
not going to take the word of someone on a message board about something
with out any evidence to back it up. I also don't think you will get a
lot of response to your query until proof that such a battery does exist
and can do what you say.
do not archive
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KE5GIX
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
So, I guess you won't be my first customer. :-)
I have quite a few of these earmarked for my electric drag bike.
http://www.KillaCycle.com
If all goes well, they will be in the bike and we'll be at
Route 66 drag strip in Joliet on May 13th. I'll keep the list posted
on this. You will know the brand when the bike appears at the track. :-)
Ultra-high-power state-of-the-art batteries is what electric
drag racing is all about. I have my finger on the pulse of battery
technology, naturally. I test a lot of batteries to see if they
really meet the manufacturer's specifications and put out the power
that I need to race the bike. I torture them on the bench to see just
how far I can push them on the track.
In addition to being ideal for my drag bike, these
particular batteries are also very well suited for aircraft. This is
because they are as safe, or safer, than lead-acid batteries. They
cost a fortune, however. Cost is not an issue for setting world
records, but matters to some folks that are building airplanes. It
matters not to other folks building airplanes. No doubt, you will see
these exact batteries in military aircraft in the next year or so.
Commercial aircraft will have them a few years later.
I'm not trying to sell these to you now, so there is no need
to prove that they meet specs now. I'm just trying to find out how
many folks will pay $475 for a very high-performance, safe,
lightweight battery for their homebuilt airplane.
If it does everything I say it does, would you pay $475 for
one? Yes or no? I'm not requesting a commitment or any money. Just
tell me if you would honestly consider buying one if I prove they
really are as good as I say they are.
Bill Dube'
At 02:56 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>
>BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
> >>
> >>I find your claims a bit hard to believe.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Here's what I do for my other hobby:
> >
> >http://www.killacycle.com
> >
> > These batteries are the latest and best available. I have
> >been working directly with the manufacturer.
> >
> > Forget everything you know about batteries. For the moment,
> >consider these are made of "Krell metal". :-)
> >
> ><http://www.umich.edu/~umfandsf/film/promise/forbidden-krell-tech.html>
> >
> > The specs are a fact. I'm just interested in whether folks
> >would be willing to pay $475 for such a battery.
> >
> >
>
>If such a battery does really exist I am sure people would pay for it.
>Especially those in the electric RC plane hobby. However you have not
>yet convinced me that a battery that meets all the criteria in your OP
>exists. The links above mention nothing about such a battery, at least
>if they don't I can't find it. I don't mean any disrespect, but I am
>not going to take the word of someone on a message board about something
>with out any evidence to back it up. I also don't think you will get a
>lot of response to your query until proof that such a battery does exist
>and can do what you say.
>
>do not archive
>
>--
>Chris W
>KE5GIX
>
>Gift Giving Made Easy
>Get the gifts you want &
>give the gifts they want
>One stop wish list for any gift,
>from anywhere, for any occasion!
>http://thewishzone.com
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
Forget all you knew about batteries. These are not what you are familiar with.
They meet the specs and are safe.
Would you pay $475 for such a battery?
Bill Dube'
At 10:07 AM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hmmm somehow asterixes sneaked in the correct URL is
>http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
>
>Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it is, I would have
> extreme concerns as to what the safety measures would be insure no
> fire or explosion.
> >
> > Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered electrics and
> helicopters, I can tell you these batteries are nowhere near safe.
> I only charge these batteries when I'm monitoring them.
> Additionally, I charge them in a deal called a "battery bunker"
> which is like a small SWAT team containment can in the event of
> over heating and/or explosion.
> >
> > I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to the ground
> while charging these batteries. They cannot handle ANY over
> charging at all. One exploded when only being charged at .5 its
> rated amperage. Normal charge is 1:1.
> >
> > I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough sell. Maybe
> after you put one in your plane and fly it a few hundred hours they
> may gain some acceptance. In the mean time $475 equates to 7 Odyssey batteries.
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> > RV-7 N717EE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>
>
>is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
> If it does everything I say it does, would you pay $475 for
> one? Yes or no? I'm not requesting a commitment or any money. Just
> tell me if you would honestly consider buying one if I prove they
> really are as good as I say they are.
No.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Bill, I might not be your first customer; but if the specs you list are accurate
and she is safe... "Yes" I will buy one. Heck if I like that one, I'll
buy more. Anytime I can shed some pounds in one of my aircraft and keep the
same performance (or better as you state), then I will cough-up the extra $ to
dump the lbs.
Chuck
"BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com"
So, I guess you won't be my first customer. :-)
I have quite a few of these earmarked for my electric drag bike.
http://www.KillaCycle.com
If all goes well, they will be in the bike and we'll be at
Route 66 drag strip in Joliet on May 13th. I'll keep the list posted
on this. You will know the brand when the bike appears at the track. :-)
Ultra-high-power state-of-the-art batteries is what electric
drag racing is all about. I have my finger on the pulse of battery
technology, naturally. I test a lot of batteries to see if they
really meet the manufacturer's specifications and put out the power
that I need to race the bike. I torture them on the bench to see just
how far I can push them on the track.
In addition to being ideal for my drag bike, these
particular batteries are also very well suited for aircraft. This is
because they are as safe, or safer, than lead-acid batteries. They
cost a fortune, however. Cost is not an issue for setting world
records, but matters to some folks that are building airplanes. It
matters not to other folks building airplanes. No doubt, you will see
these exact batteries in military aircraft in the next year or so.
Commercial aircraft will have them a few years later.
I'm not trying to sell these to you now, so there is no need
to prove that they meet specs now. I'm just trying to find out how
many folks will pay $475 for a very high-performance, safe,
lightweight battery for their homebuilt airplane.
If it does everything I say it does, would you pay $475 for
one? Yes or no? I'm not requesting a commitment or any money. Just
tell me if you would honestly consider buying one if I prove they
really are as good as I say they are.
Bill Dube'
At 02:56 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>
>BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
>
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
> >>
> >>I find your claims a bit hard to believe.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Here's what I do for my other hobby:
> >
> >http://www.killacycle.com
> >
> > These batteries are the latest and best available. I have
> >been working directly with the manufacturer.
> >
> > Forget everything you know about batteries. For the moment,
> >consider these are made of "Krell metal". :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > The specs are a fact. I'm just interested in whether folks
> >would be willing to pay $475 for such a battery.
> >
> >
>
>If such a battery does really exist I am sure people would pay for it.
>Especially those in the electric RC plane hobby. However you have not
>yet convinced me that a battery that meets all the criteria in your OP
>exists. The links above mention nothing about such a battery, at least
>if they don't I can't find it. I don't mean any disrespect, but I am
>not going to take the word of someone on a message board about something
>with out any evidence to back it up. I also don't think you will get a
>lot of response to your query until proof that such a battery does exist
>and can do what you say.
>
>do not archive
>
>--
>Chris W
>KE5GIX
>
>Gift Giving Made Easy
>Get the gifts you want &
>give the gifts they want
>One stop wish list for any gift,
>from anywhere, for any occasion!
>http://thewishzone.com
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: West system kit on sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Just FYI, Aircraft Spruce charges $101.10 for the same thing, p/n 01-08300
for fast, 01-08400 for slow.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherman Butler" <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: West system kit on sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>
> A west system epoxy kit is on sale at www.JamestownDistributors.com.
> Fast WSY-105BKITF
> Slow WAY-105BKITS 110.59
>
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Empennage
> Idaho Falls
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West system kit on sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I apologize...the Spruce kits don't come with the pumps, and the Jamestown
ones do!
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: West system kit on sale
> Just FYI, Aircraft Spruce charges $101.10 for the same thing, p/n 01-08300
> for fast, 01-08400 for slow.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherman Butler" <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:21 AM
> Subject: RV-List: West system kit on sale
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>>
>> A west system epoxy kit is on sale at www.JamestownDistributors.com.
>> Fast WSY-105BKITF
>> Slow WAY-105BKITS 110.59
>>
>> Do not Archive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sherman Butler
>> RV-7a Empennage
>> Idaho Falls
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
>
>Forget all you knew about batteries. These are not what you are familiar with.
>
>They meet the specs and are safe.
>
>Would you pay $475 for such a battery?
>
>Bill Dube'
>
>
>
>
No I already have a safe reliable battery it is called a Odyessy 680.
Let see I am going on three years now with my
680 and it cranks as well as the day I put it in. I paid $70.00 for it
so how many can I buy in 10 years and still have money in my pocket?
Yes it weighs a few lbs. more but so wha,t don't eat such a big
breakfast. :-)
I hope it works out for you Bill as new ideas are always a good thing.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: West system kit on sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Thanks for checking, just to keep us on our toes!!
Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan
Checkoway"
I apologize...the Spruce kits don't come with the pumps, and the Jamestown
ones do!
)_( Dan
>>
>> Do not Archive.
>>
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Empennage
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Wing conduit material |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sherman ...
Yesterday I picked up 3 lengths of fluorescent light protective
polycarbonate tubes, 8' long, 1 1/4" OD at Menard's. $3.29 each I'm
placing two of these under the floor of an 8A to carry cable and wires.
They are clear plastic, very thin wall. Not installed yet, but I think they
can be slit, length wise, then squeezed together so as to fit through 3/4"
snap bushings. By simply overlapping the slit edges, then gluing the
overlap, the tube will have a stiff back to it, at the top to the tube.
Wires can exit the tube at any point through drilled holes with rubber
grommets. Of course drill before pulling wires. Glue the tube to the snap
bushings. 8' will get you from the wing spar center section to past the
rear baggage on the 8A. These may work in the wing, as well, by using a
telescope overlap to reach the wing tip. Spot with glue to firm up the
overlap.
My 2 cents ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>
> I found 3/4 inch 6061-T6 .058 wall tubing for $1.XX at foot. Would this
> be suitable for wing conduit material? Would this provide some electrical
> shielding?
>
> Sherman Butler
>
>
> .
>
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Empennage
> Idaho Falls
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sorry to all those who asked for info on my towbar. Have not forgotten you.
Ran out of time before departing for SNF and have just returned. Will work
on getting some pictures out this week.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | NASM47196 (rivet specs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Apparently MIL-R-47196A (mil spec on rivet shop heads, etc.) has been
canceled and superseded by NASM47196. I have a copy of MIL-R-47196A that I
stole from Gil Alexander (http://www.rvproject.com/MIL-R-47196A_MI.pdf) but
I'm in search of a copy of NASM47196.
If anybody has a copy of NASM47196 that you are willing to share, can you
email it to me? (dan rvproject com)
Thanks,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
Great and not so great...
After much trying I fired up the engine for the first time today. After purging
all the lines, I attempted a start. It took many tries to get the engine fired
up, but it finally ran. Once it ran, it ran great...until I tried to test
the P-Mags by individually cycling their breakers. The engine stumbled hard
when I switched the right breaker to the off position, but recovered when I switched
it back on. I THINK this indicates that it was not generating it's own
power. When I switched off the left P-Mag, the engine monitor showed an 800
RPM increase, but that was bogus because you could not hear any change at all
in the engine. As called out in the manual, only one ignition is wired to the
ACS2000. All temps were even on CHT/EGT. While the engine was running, I tested
both radios, as the engine monitor showed 13.7V. After I shut down, both
ICOM A-200's went blank. All other avionics and electronics work fine. No fuses
popped, no burned wires.
I guess it's back to the drawing board and YES, I'm more than a little depressed
about it. I'll call the Emagair boys this week to see what ideas they have.
The P-Mags were installed by the engine builder, and I have not addressed the
issue of their timing...but it is disheartening to see that they are apparently
not making their own power.
I'll keep the group informed as I stumble through this...
Bob Brown
RV-7A
Wingtips and wing root fairings
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| Subject: | Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
You know anything about this?
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Apparently MIL-R-47196A (mil spec on rivet shop heads, etc.) has been
> canceled and superseded by NASM47196. I have a copy of MIL-R-47196A that I
> stole from Gil Alexander (http://www.rvproject.com/MIL-R-47196A_MI.pdf) but
> I'm in search of a copy of NASM47196.
>
> If anybody has a copy of NASM47196 that you are willing to share, can you
> email it to me? (dan rvproject com)
>
> Thanks,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
When I open this link, I get a text file and my puter
locks up. Anybody else have this problem?
Dave
--- gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: gert
> <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hmmm somehow asterixes sneaked in the correct URL is
>
> http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
>
> Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie"
> <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it
> is, I would have extreme concerns as to what the
> safety measures would be insure no fire or
> explosion.
> >
> > Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered
> electrics and helicopters, I can tell you these
> batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these
> batteries when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I
> charge them in a deal called a "battery bunker"
> which is like a small SWAT team containment can in
> the event of over heating and/or explosion.
> >
> > I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to
> the ground while charging these batteries. They
> cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded
> when only being charged at .5 its rated amperage.
> Normal charge is 1:1.
> >
> > I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough
> sell. Maybe after you put one in your plane and fly
> it a few hundred hours they may gain some
> acceptance. In the mean time $475 equates to 7
> Odyssey batteries.
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> > RV-7 N717EE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the
> amount of $500
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Work for me.
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Nellis" <truflite@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: World's best airplane battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
>
> When I open this link, I get a text file and my puter
> locks up. Anybody else have this problem?
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: gert
>> <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
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>> Hmmm somehow asterixes sneaked in the correct URL is
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>> http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
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>> Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie"
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>> > Hi Bill,
>> >
>> > Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it
>> is, I would have extreme concerns as to what the
>> safety measures would be insure no fire or
>> explosion.
>> >
>> > Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered
>> electrics and helicopters, I can tell you these
>> batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these
>> batteries when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I
>> charge them in a deal called a "battery bunker"
>> which is like a small SWAT team containment can in
>> the event of over heating and/or explosion.
>> >
>> > I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to
>> the ground while charging these batteries. They
>> cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded
>> when only being charged at .5 its rated amperage.
>> Normal charge is 1:1.
>> >
>> > I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough
>> sell. Maybe after you put one in your plane and fly
>> it a few hundred hours they may gain some
>> acceptance. In the mean time $475 equates to 7
>> Odyssey batteries.
>> >
>> > Darwin N. Barrie
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| Subject: | Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Fenstermacher <DavidFenster@comcast.net>
Sorry folks, meant to forward to a friend who works as a test flight
engineer for the Navy.
do not archive
David Fenstermacher wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
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> You know anything about this?
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> Dan Checkoway wrote:
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>> Apparently MIL-R-47196A (mil spec on rivet shop heads, etc.) has been
>> canceled and superseded by NASM47196. I have a copy of MIL-R-47196A that I
>> stole from Gil Alexander (http://www.rvproject.com/MIL-R-47196A_MI.pdf) but
>> I'm in search of a copy of NASM47196.
>>
>> If anybody has a copy of NASM47196 that you are willing to share, can you
>> email it to me? (dan rvproject com)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> )_( Dan
>> RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
>> http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper 2" <mkellems@bellsouth.net>
Sounds like a great experimental aircraft battery option - At 3 lbs, I'll be
your first customer. Or, At least put me on the list.
Mike Kellems RV3 29AT
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----- Original Message -----
From: "BillDube@killacycle.com" <billdube@killacycle.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: World's best airplane battery
> --> RV-List message posted by: "BillDube@killacycle.com"
> <billdube@killacycle.com>
>
> So, I guess you won't be my first customer. :-)
>
> I have quite a few of these earmarked for my electric drag bike.
>
> http://www.KillaCycle.com
>
>> particular batteries are also very well suited for aircraft. This is
> because they are as safe, or safer, than lead-acid batteries. They
> cost a fortune, however. Cost is not an issue for setting world
> records, but matters to some folks that are building airplanes. It
> matters not to other folks building airplanes. No doubt, you will see
> these exact batteries in military aircraft in the next year or so.
> Commercial aircraft will have them a few years later.
>
> I'm not trying to sell these to you now, so there is no need
> to prove that they meet specs now. I'm just trying to find out how
> many folks will pay $475 for a very high-performance, safe,
> lightweight battery for their homebuilt airplane.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
> At 02:56 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>>
>>BillDube@killacycle.com wrote:
>>
>> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>> >>
>> >>I find your claims a bit hard to believe.
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| Subject: | Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Dan,
I doubt that the document contents have changed. I think that they just
changed the name of the standards organization.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: NASM47196 (rivet specs)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Apparently MIL-R-47196A (mil spec on rivet shop heads, etc.) has been
> canceled and superseded by NASM47196. I have a copy of MIL-R-47196A that
> I
> stole from Gil Alexander (http://www.rvproject.com/MIL-R-47196A_MI.pdf)
> but
> I'm in search of a copy of NASM47196.
>
> If anybody has a copy of NASM47196 that you are willing to share, can you
> email it to me? (dan rvproject com)
>
> Thanks,
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (858 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Same thing here. I had to pull the plug!
Bill
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nellis
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: World's best airplane battery
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
When I open this link, I get a text file and my puter
locks up. Anybody else have this problem?
Dave
--- gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: gert
> <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hmmm somehow asterixes sneaked in the correct URL is
>
> http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
>
> Darwin N. Barrie wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie"
> <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Sounds like Lithium Ion or Polymer to me. If it
> is, I would have extreme concerns as to what the
> safety measures would be insure no fire or
> explosion.
> >
> > Being heavy into RC with several LiPo powered
> electrics and helicopters, I can tell you these
> batteries are nowhere near safe. I only charge these
> batteries when I'm monitoring them. Additionally, I
> charge them in a deal called a "battery bunker"
> which is like a small SWAT team containment can in
> the event of over heating and/or explosion.
> >
> > I have had 2 friends have their vechicles burn to
> the ground while charging these batteries. They
> cannot handle ANY over charging at all. One exploded
> when only being charged at .5 its rated amperage.
> Normal charge is 1:1.
> >
> > I commend your ingenuity but this may be a tough
> sell. Maybe after you put one in your plane and fly
> it a few hundred hours they may gain some
> acceptance. In the mean time $475 equates to 7
> Odyssey batteries.
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> > RV-7 N717EE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the
> amount of $500
>
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> FAQ,
>
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> Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: NASM47196 (rivet specs) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/9/2006 7:45:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
Apparently MIL-R-47196A (mil spec on rivet shop heads, etc.) has been
canceled and superseded by NASM47196. I have a copy of MIL-R-47196A that I
stole from Gil Alexander (http://www.rvproject.com/MIL-R-47196A_MI.pdf) but
I'm in search of a copy of NASM47196.
If anybody has a copy of NASM47196 that you are willing to share, can you
email it to me?
===========================================
I deal with this stuff everyday and I don't like it
Sadly, when the military transitioned many of these specifications to the
private sector, they allowed the new custodian (NASM) to charge for electronic
or hard copies of them. I don't know if NASM can claim copyright
infringement if these get scanned and posted to a free website, but If anyone
knows the
story of why this was done in this day and age I would very much like to
know. These specs were developed with taxpayer dollars and I very much resent
their availability being restricted in this way.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: World's best airplane battery |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Seems like the server or browser isn't dealing with the file type
right. The easy fix is to right click on the file and pick the "Save
Link Target As" option... although it may be worded differently on your
email program
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Dave Nellis wrote:
>When I open this link, I get a text file and my puter
>locks up. Anybody else have this problem?
>
>--- gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>http://www.helihobby.com/videos/LithiumBattery.wmv
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