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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Is An RV Hard To Fly? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
2. 03:41 AM - FW: RV7 cushion foam (Arnold de Brie)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Is An RV Hard To Fly? (bdjones1965)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Rudder trim (LarryRobertHelming)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: Is An RV Hard To Fly? (Darrell Reiley)
6. 10:52 AM - Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
7. 10:52 AM - First flight (Jeff Orear)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: First flight (Richard Dudley)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: First flight (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
10. 03:26 PM - Re: First flight (Dale Ensing)
11. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? (Konrad L. Werner)
12. 05:45 PM - WTB: Set of good Magneto's (Konrad L. Werner)
13. 05:55 PM - Re: First flight (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
14. 08:30 PM - firewall eyeball pass through hole (sarg314)
15. 09:42 PM - Re: firewall eyeball pass through hole (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Is An RV Hard To Fly? |
--> RV-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol@microsigma.fr>
Mickey,
I second that, furthermore, I personally feel that I should be capable of
flying all sorts of airplanes.
Michle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
Sent: vendredi 14 avril 2006 08:01
Subject: Re: RV-List: Is An RV Hard To Fly?
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I have always been able to get my bi-annual rides in my own RV6A, so
> instead of pushing a clunky 172 around, I was always able to
> "instruct" the instructor in how an airplane should work.
I always try to get my biannual in an airplane I've never
flown. Kills two birds with one stone - I get my biannual,
and I get checked out in a new aircraft.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | FW: RV7 cushion foam |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Arnold de Brie" <Arnold@paperchip.nl>
_____
From: Arnold de Brie [mailto:Arnold@paperchip.nl]
Sent: donderdag 13 april 2006 16:58
Subject: RV7 cushion foam
Hello
I have a set of Van's RV 7 foam for sale.
It is already at Classic Aero Designs
If someone is interested, contact me off-line
Arnold de Brie
arnold@paperchip.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is An RV Hard To Fly? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Interesting response to your RV. In these parts, an RV will always get a second
look and prompt some questions at the airports I visit (in central & south Texas).
I can appreciate the renters. Used to be one myself. Besides, wouldn't
have many "targets" without them!! ;)
Have heard some say they wouldn't fly in a "homemade" plane, but they are obviously
generalizing. But - a man's gotta know his limitations. In years (way)
past, most were scratch built and of lower quality (IMO). Have passed on instructing
in 2 planes, and consider myself a pretty competent homemade plane pilot/instructor.
Reason for keeping a dead-serious wary eye happened at my old home field where
a cfi was giving transition training to a new home built plane owner. Both ended
up dead (IMO) because the plane was underpowered/heavily loaded, runway too
short and the cfi wasn't familiar enough with the plane. I also believe it
may have been an instance where the very strong, large student overpowered a comparably
much smaller cfi.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010601X01049&key=1
I can appreciate someone having and sticking to their limitations.
2 cents
Bryan Jones -8, CFII/MEI
Houston
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28353#28353
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--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I thought I had this problem too at one time. I realigned my landing leg
fairings just a wee bit and the need for the rudder tab went away. I had it
a little out of being exactly correct to start with. Your mileage may vary.
Larry in Indiana, RV7 95 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder trim
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I've had a left yaw in the amount of one ball width but have now corrected
> it. For those of you that might also encounter this problem and want to
> know how much of a trim tab it takes to correct this much yaw, the answer
> is a wedge 12 inches long, 1/4 inch high at the trailing edge, and 1 1/2
> inches to it's 0 height knife edged leading edge. I placed it half way up
> the rudder. For now this has just been duct taped in place.
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is An RV Hard To Fly? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Mickey,
Now that makes perfect sense!! I like the way you think...
Darrell
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Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins
> I have always been able to get my bi-annual rides in my own RV6A, so
> instead of pushing a clunky 172 around, I was always able to
> "instruct" the instructor in how an airplane should work.
I always try to get my biannual in an airplane I've never
flown. Kills two birds with one stone - I get my biannual,
and I get checked out in a new aircraft.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
What a well written and thought out reflection! Therefore... Please do
archive!
Jerry from rainy Oregon...
In a message dated 4/14/2006 12:06:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Time: 02:27:52 PM PST US
From: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Well, just the opposite, I have found.
When I was abuilding my RV, I used to sponge up any magazine stories and
pictures
about RVs ever since RV6
Ol' Blue came on line. Even pilot reports in ( egad ) ! English mags.
After only a half hour checkout, I was getting along just fine with
my RV albeit with a couple of less than text book landings.
The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and this really
underlined
what a sweet bird the RV really is.
I had never before, ever, been on final with only 300 feet altitude left
and holding 2200 rpm in a STRONG wind to get down.
See, the instructor wanted those big barn door flaps hanging out full
travel each and every time we went around so it felt like somebody had thrown
the anchor out and we were two miles out with little ground speed and with me
not wanting to sink below the 65 mph he liked to see on final, it was a lot
of work, going round and round, smokin' ( for a 172 ) downwind, crabbing on
base,
and in low gear on final, wings going this way and that, and naturally, if
the attitude was not just so, UP we would float and plop now and then as only
about two landings were greasers without any noises......to go around again,
she wanted to run for the right edge of the runway and lift off was good in
that
wind, although we did get some good closeup looks at cars and drivers on the
way.
Old habits die hard and climbing at 100 which is good for an RV only
gets me a couple of hundred of climb in the 172 until instructor fellow
suggests
pulling nose higher.
I did lots of things wrong....turning too soon , bank too much, fly over
houses, try to slow down too soon, damn flaps...
An Rv does all the good things you expect it to do WHEN you want to do
them.....adjusting to a 172 on a very turbulent day was not a good start.
I don't think I was a good ambassador for grey haired guys. He did not think
today was a good day for me to do a few solo circuits.....maybe next time..
Funny thing I notice about the rental guys is that they don't ask anything
about RVs. Don't even walk over on the ramp to gee whiz when an RV is
parked....I
think the office types warn them off us free spirit homebuilt people...no
use in hanging with the wrong crowd....
Nowadays the rental outfits check you out very thoroughly...licence,
medical, currency
slip, RADIO LICENCE, can you believe it ?...photocopy of logbook, drivers
licence, passport, certificate of circumcision...on and on...questions about
what types you have flown..when...but when RV comes up, it is almost like it
doesn't count...ain't professional i guess.
Not one has ever asked about the speeds, landings, crosswind behaviour,
climbout......FUN
FACTOR .....or asked to sit in one.....
If I was in my twenties and hanging around the ramp when something different
came in, I would be there like a shot, but then by this time, I was probably
affected by all those times I purposely stood in the slipstream of all those
radial engines when they burped to life and cleared their throats of oil
smoke and gas and a bit of ramp dust.
Mind you, I do like a 172 or almost anything that flies and won't scare you
( like a Seawind ), or that old Pietenpol that used to be here locally, the
one with grass up to her legs, and the big honkin Kinner that looked like she
would like to play lawn dart. That one I would never even want to sit in
especially
when the pal I knew told me he only flies " the old whore " once in a
while for the owner who had very little liking to do so himself.
I ain't real picky..flyin' is flyin' and if it takes longer to get there,
then
I can most likely take time to map read since I never did have a wing leveler
in the RV, and map reading had to be done quickly...ain't it all a hoot
?.....sure
beats bingo !
Old Grey,
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Fellow Rver's
Very pleased to report the first flight of RV6A serial number 25171 on Wednesday,
April 12, 2006. Don Stewart was at the controls. Recent flights show 173mph
true airspeed with an O320-E2D, Catto three blade, and no gear or wheel fairings.
Empty weight came in at 1016lbs with no paint or interior.
Panel includes Dynon EFIS, RMI engine monitor, Lowrance Airmap 1000 panel mounted,
Icom A200 com, Narco AT150 transponder, PMA4000 audio panel, Navaid wingleveler,
LRI. Night VFR.
This has been a very pleasurable journey over 8.5 years of building. Special thanks
go to Don Stewart, Everett Anderson, Garry Anderson, Ron Busch and all the
other airport rats in Menominee Michigan. Also big thanks to my wife for understanding
that this has been a long time dream of mine.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P
Flying!
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations, Jeff on your first flight!!!!!!
Richard Dudley
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Jeff Orear wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
>Fellow Rver's
>
>Very pleased to report the first flight of RV6A serial number 25171 on Wednesday,
April 12, 2006. Don Stewart was at the controls. Recent flights show 173mph
true airspeed with an O320-E2D, Catto three blade, and no gear or wheel fairings.
Empty weight came in at 1016lbs with no paint or interior.
>
>Panel includes Dynon EFIS, RMI engine monitor, Lowrance Airmap 1000 panel mounted,
Icom A200 com, Narco AT150 transponder, PMA4000 audio panel, Navaid wingleveler,
LRI. Night VFR.
>
>This has been a very pleasurable journey over 8.5 years of building. Special
thanks go to Don Stewart, Everett Anderson, Garry Anderson, Ron Busch and all
the other airport rats in Menominee Michigan. Also big thanks to my wife for
understanding that this has been a long time dream of mine.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeff Orear
>RV6A N782P
>Flying!
>Peshtigo, WI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Excellent! Maybe I'll see you around MI someday. My wife's from around there.
Fly a safe Phase 1.
Lucky
N188R
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
>
> Fellow Rver's
>
> Very pleased to report the first flight of RV6A serial number 25171 on
> Wednesday, April 12, 2006. Don Stewart was at the controls. Recent flights
> show 173mph true airspeed with an O320-E2D, Catto three blade, and no gear or
> wheel fairings. Empty weight came in at 1016lbs with no paint or interior.
>
> Panel includes Dynon EFIS, RMI engine monitor, Lowrance Airmap 1000 panel
> mounted, Icom A200 com, Narco AT150 transponder, PMA4000 audio panel, Navaid
> wingleveler, LRI. Night VFR.
>
> This has been a very pleasurable journey over 8.5 years of building. Special
> thanks go to Don Stewart, Everett Anderson, Garry Anderson, Ron Busch and all
> the other airport rats in Menominee Michigan. Also big thanks to my wife for
> understanding that this has been a long time dream of mine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A N782P
> Flying!
> Peshtigo, WI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Excellent! Maybe I'll see you around MI someday. My wife's from around there.
Fly a safe Phase 1.
Lucky
N188R
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Orear" jorear@new.rr.com
-- RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <JOREAR@NEW.RR.COM>
Fellow Rver's
Very pleased to report the first flight of RV6A serial number 25171 on
Wednesday, April 12, 2006. Don Stewart was at the controls. Recent flights
show 173mph true airspeed with an O320-E2D, Catto three blade, and no gear or
wheel fairings. Empty weight came in at 1016lbs with no paint or interior.
Panel includes Dynon EFIS, RMI engine monitor, Lowrance Airmap 1000 panel
mounted, Icom A200 com, Narco AT150 transponder, PMA4000 audio panel, Navaid
wingleveler, LRI. Night VFR.
This has been a very pleasurable journey over 8.5 years of building. Special
thanks go to Don Stewart, Evere
tt And
erson, Garry Anderson, Ron Busch and all
the other airport rats in Menominee Michigan. Also big thanks to my wife for
understanding that this has been a long time dream of mine.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P
Flying!
Peshtigo, WI
wiki.m
atronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Jeff,
Congrats and well done on the 6A. Good to hear of a 6/6A completion once and
a while. Your perseverance is commendable.
Dale Ensing
another 8 year builder
6A N118DE
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| Subject: | Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Jerry2Dt from rainy Oregon...
To archive this you would actually have to also remove the D.N.A.-Line at the bottom
of the original post!
Subject: RV-List: Re: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
What a well written and thought out reflection! Therefore... Please do archive!
Jerry from rainy Oregon...
From: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Subject: RV-List: Is an RV Hard To Fly ?
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Well, just the opposite, I have found.
When I was abuilding my RV, I used to sponge up any magazine stories and
pictures
about RVs ever since RV6
Ol' Blue came on line. Even pilot reports in ( egad ) ! English mags.
After only a half hour checkout, I was getting along just fine with
my RV albeit with a couple of less than text book landings.
The other day though, I had to get checked out in a 172 and this really
underlined
what a sweet bird the RV really is.
I had never before, ever, been on final with only 300 feet altitude left
and holding 2200 rpm in a STRONG wind to get down.
See, the instructor wanted those big barn door flaps hanging out full
travel each and every time we went around so it felt like somebody had thrown
the anchor out and we were two miles out with little ground speed and with me
not wanting to sink below the 65 mph he liked to see on final, it was a lot
of work, going round and round, smokin' ( for a 172 ) downwind, crabbing on
base,
and in low gear on final, wings going this way and that, and naturally, if
the attitude was not just so, UP we would float and plop now and then as only
about two landings were greasers without any noises......to go around again,
she wanted to run for the right edge of the runway and lift off was good in
that
wind, although we did get some good closeup looks at cars and drivers on the
way.
Old habits die hard and climbing at 100 which is good for an RV only
gets me a couple of hundred of climb in the 172 until instructor fellow
suggests
pulling nose higher.
I did lots of things wrong....turning too soon , bank too much, fly over
houses, try to slow down too soon, damn flaps...
An Rv does all the good things you expect it to do WHEN you want to do
them.....adjusting to a 172 on a very turbulent day was not a good start.
I don't think I was a good ambassador for grey haired guys. He did not think
today was a good day for me to do a few solo circuits.....maybe next time..
Funny thing I notice about the rental guys is that they don't ask anything
about RVs. Don't even walk over on the ramp to gee whiz when an RV is
parked....I
think the office types warn them off us free spirit homebuilt people...no
use in hanging with the wrong crowd....
Nowadays the rental outfits check you out very thoroughly...licence,
medical, currency
slip, RADIO LICENCE, can you believe it ?...photocopy of logbook, drivers
licence, passport, certificate of circumcision...on and on...questions about
what types you have flown..when...but when RV comes up, it is almost like it
doesn't count...ain't professional i guess.
Not one has ever asked about the speeds, landings, crosswind behaviour,
climbout......FUN
FACTOR .....or asked to sit in one.....
If I was in my twenties and hanging around the ramp when something different
came in, I would be there like a shot, but then by this time, I was probably
affected by all those times I purposely stood in the slipstream of all those
radial engines when they burped to life and cleared their throats of oil
smoke and gas and a bit of ramp dust.
Mind you, I do like a 172 or almost anything that flies and won't scare you
( like a Seawind ), or that old Pietenpol that used to be here locally, the
one with grass up to her legs, and the big honkin Kinner that looked like she
would like to play lawn dart. That one I would never even want to sit in
especially
when the pal I knew told me he only flies " the old whore " once in a
while for the owner who had very little liking to do so himself.
I ain't real picky..flyin' is flyin' and if it takes longer to get there,
then
I can most likely take time to map read since I never did have a wing leveler
in the RV, and map reading had to be done quickly...ain't it all a hoot
?.....sure
beats bingo !
Old Grey,
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| Subject: | WTB: Set of good Magneto's |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear valued Listers,
(specifically the one's that converted to dual Electronic Ignition's),
I am looking for a set of either brand new-, or low time mags for sale (Slick or
Bendix)?
So, if anyone has a set at a reasonable price, then please let me know, preferably
offline.
Thanks, Konrad
klwerner@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
YEE-FREAKIN'-HAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'Bout dang time- yoo be careful wid that new mo-sheene and git 'er over the
pond to OSH this summer!
Sincerest Congrats, dude!
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | firewall eyeball pass through hole |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
There are 2 types of firewall eyeball pass thru for control cables. One
mounts with 6 small screws, the other uses just the single large hole.
Can some one tell me what size hole the latter type requires? Van's web
page says 1.115", but that's such an odd size I suspect it's a misprint.
If not, what did you use the make the hole? How much over size can the
hole be and still be usable?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, engine
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| Subject: | Re: firewall eyeball pass through hole |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> There are 2 types of firewall eyeball pass thru for control cables. One
> mounts with 6 small screws, the other uses just the single large hole.
> Can some one tell me what size hole the latter type requires? Van's web
> page says 1.115", but that's such an odd size I suspect it's a misprint.
> If not, what did you use the make the hole? How much over size can the
> hole be and still be usable?
Tom,
It is an odd size, but it matches up with a standard electrician's
conduit punch. I've included some of the sizes I could easily
find.
* 3/4" Conduit Punch, Hole Size: 1.115"
* 1" Conduit Punch, Hole Size: 1.362"
* 1-1/4" Conduit Die: Hole Size: 1.701"
* 1-1/2" Conduit Die:, Hole Size: 1.951"
* 2" Conduit Punch: Size: 2-3/8 2.416"
You can find these on eBay, or try to borrow one. They are
kind of expensive.
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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