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1. 04:25 AM - Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Dale Ensing)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: aircraft registration timing (LarryRobertHelming)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Bob Collins)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Folbrecht, Paul)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Bob Collins)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Jamie Painter)
7. 10:07 AM - Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Matt Dralle)
8. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Ron Lee)
9. 01:08 PM - Throttle, Prop, and Mixture cable slack (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 02:34 PM - Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday (Darrell Reiley)
11. 04:24 PM - Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday (D.Bristol)
12. 05:10 PM - Dakotas (Jimmy Hill)
13. 05:54 PM - Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday (Darrell Reiley)
14. 06:14 PM - Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls (Emrath)
15. 06:57 PM - Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Paul Besing)
16. 07:12 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Alex Peterson)
17. 07:17 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Dan Checkoway)
18. 08:05 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (DonVS)
19. 08:16 PM - Re: Dakotas (Jerry Calvert)
20. 08:34 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Dwight Frye)
21. 09:14 PM - Helmet & Headset ponderings (Mark E Navratil)
22. 09:25 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Paul Besing)
23. 10:04 PM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (Paul Besing)
24. 10:05 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Kelly McMullen)
25. 10:22 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Stein Bruch)
26. 10:23 PM - Re: Dakotas (Stein Bruch)
27. 10:37 PM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (Vanremog@aol.com)
28. 10:39 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Bruce Gray)
29. 11:56 PM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Have been a member of AOPA for 20 years and do not remember ever getting a
phone solicitation from them. Is this a scam?
Dale Ensing
do not achieve
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| Subject: | Re: aircraft registration timing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft registration timing
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> I'm not familiar with Kalifornyah aircraft tax laws, but in 'Bama
> putting off aircraft registration will just increase the interest and
> penalties for not making timely sales and use tax payments.
>
> It's much better to pay taxes as the project is purchased in order to
> avoid the tax, interest, and penalties just as you are finishing up the
> project.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
I agree with Sam's advice and I live in Indiana. If I were doing it again,
I would pay the sales/use tax as the sub-kits and avionics are purchased.
Just keep good records with invoices and receipts so you can prove your case
when it is time to register.
Larry in Indiana
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I usually don't take calls for donations but I make it clear in my house that the
exeption is the Air Safety Foundation. What they provide us -- free -- is massively
helpful, all designed to keep us from killing ourselves.
If you still don't want to be insulted by someone trying to keep you from dying,
then all you have to do is tell them to add your phone number to their Do Not
Call List. And they will do so, courteously and efficiently, the same way they
deliver their great service to us.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29100#29100
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Bob,
Understand your sentiments. I thought about this too - certainly, we're
all getting something from this.
I will tell you that it was the caller's PERSISTENCE that got to me.
Continuing a sales pitch after THREE declines is unprofessional and
simply uncalled-for in any situation.
Upon further thought, I suspect that AOPA, like any other company,
simply hires some outfit to make these calls, and those folks are
probably conditioned to be as unrelenting as possible. Perhaps making
them aware of the tactics being used would result in some change. That
is additional motivation for me to write.
On the whole, I admire the AOPA and recognize what it does for me; I've
never considered letting my membership expire.
Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I usually don't take calls for donations but I make it clear in my house
that the exeption is the Air Safety Foundation. What they provide us --
free -- is massively helpful, all designed to keep us from killing
ourselves.
If you still don't want to be insulted by someone trying to keep you
from dying, then all you have to do is tell them to add your phone
number to their Do Not Call List. And they will do so, courteously and
efficiently, the same way they deliver their great service to us.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29100#29100
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Agreed.
Minnesota adopted a do-not-call orginance a few years ago so the ASF calls automatically
stopped. Instead they send a letter and a free calendar and some mailing
labels. So I send 'em a check. No calls or pushing telemarketers (and, yeah,
they probably have decided to outsource their telemarketing, which saves
them money, no doubt, but I think increases the complaints).
anyway, I try to send them money and gently remind them not to waste it on calendars
and mailing labels. (g)
B
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
Folbrecht, Paul wrote:
>I will tell you that it was the caller's PERSISTENCE that got to me.
>Continuing a sales pitch after THREE declines is unprofessional and
>simply uncalled-for in any situation.
>rchive
>
>
Agreed. I got a call from them asking for ASF donations. I listened to
what the lady had to say and then she solicited a $50 donation. I told
her no. She said, "How about 30 dollars? Don't you think what we do is
worth 30 dollars?". I said...no. "Ok, how about 20 dollars?" I kindly
said, "No, I'm not interested. I don't respond to solicitations over
the phone."
So yeah...she was pretty persistant and annoying with me, but I havn't
gotten any calls since.
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 04:18 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>
>Have been a member of AOPA for 20 years and do not remember ever getting a
>phone solicitation from them. Is this a scam?
>Dale Ensing
>do not achieve
No, I don't think it is. I got a "reminder call" last year too and it was legit.
They are pretty persistent, that's for sure. Its a good cause, though, if
you value your right to fly in the US.
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Some of these calling companies get a grossly high percentage of
what they collect. If you want to contribute do it directly.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Throttle, Prop, and Mixture cable slack |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow listers,
I'm working on my firewall foreward and since I had already made some decisions
before the firewall foreward kit was available, I can't use the stock locations
for my throttle and mixture cables. The prop cable went in to the stock location
nicely with the one hole eyeball fitting.
There seems to be just a little slack in that cable - just enough to allow flexibility
to keep it out of the way.
How much should I have? Upon measuring the cables that I got for the throttle
and mixture after putting them in where I could, I have 6" too much throttle cable
and 7" too much mixture cable. These are straight shot from the panel/console
to the eyeball passthrough the firewall. on the firewall side, I have sufficient
'Lycoming wet dog shake room'. I'm thinking on the aft side of the
firewall, I don't need much wiggle room other than to avoid stuff that could get
in the way and wear the cable.
Your thoughts please,
Ralph
RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 - fun firewall foreward!
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Try this...
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/14360560.htm
Darrell
lucky <luckymacy@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
If you read the article, the paper says:
" Reports indicated that the landing gear clipped a railroad track,
causing the plane to go down,"
You've really got to watch out for those 1500' high railroad tracks!
do not archive
Dave B
Darrell Reiley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
>Try this...
>
> http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/14360560.htm
>
> Darrell
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>lucky <luckymacy@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
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>Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
>
>
>Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy@jhill.biz>
Fellow RV'ers:
My son and I plan a flight in our 8A this weekend from Okla. up to the Dakotas,
and surrounding areas.
Would appreciate knowing of any RV friendly locations--good sightseeing, possibly
airport camping spots, etc.
Thanks.
Jimmy
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| Subject: | Re: RV7 accident at Hicks Airport yesterday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I read that too, must have been some sort of an elevated track or maybe they meant
power lines...?
Darrell
"D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol"
If you read the article, the paper says:
" Reports indicated that the landing gear clipped a railroad track,
causing the plane to go down,"
You've really got to watch out for those 1500' high railroad tracks!
do not archive
Dave B
Darrell Reiley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
>
>Try this...
>
> http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/14360560.htm
>
> Darrell
>
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>lucky wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>
>Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
>
>
>Yesterday at Hicks Airport, Ft. Worth, I see that PARKS, THOMAS W JR crashed on
takeoff. Substantial damage to the plane but none to him. The latter being great
news. What the heck happened?
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| Subject: | Re: OT - AOPA donation-solicitation phone calls |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
I received a call awhile back, not the "urgent" or insistent type you
mentioned. The caller was an off duty NY policyman. We did have a nice chat
and you can guess the rest. This was not a high pressure type call IMHO.
Do not archive
Marty
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
First question, where's a good place to put this in
the stream of fuel? I'm not too savvy on injected
engines.
While talking with Electronics International today, I
was told that since there is a return of unused fuel,
I'll need TWO transducers and a little box that
computes the unused fuel. This adds about $300 to the
price of my fuel flow, and am wondering if it's worth
it now. Thoughts?
Paul Besing
RV-4
N73DD
Arizona (For Now)
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> First question, where's a good place to put this in the
> stream of fuel? I'm not too savvy on injected engines.
>
> While talking with Electronics International today, I was
> told that since there is a return of unused fuel, I'll need
> TWO transducers and a little box that computes the unused
> fuel. This adds about $300 to the price of my fuel flow, and
> am wondering if it's worth it now. Thoughts?
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-4
> N73DD
> Arizona (For Now)
Paul, put it in the line between the servo and flow divider. You'll have to
add a hose, and you may need to bring those lines back to the firewall.
For others paying attention, not all fuel injection systems have this return
line (Airflow Performance, for one), making the installation as simple as a
carb with respect to fuel lines.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 751 hours, ripping out the Lasar system this weekend.
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
In the metered fuel line between the servo and flow divider is about as
ideal a spot as any imho.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <pbesing@yahoo.com>
<rv-list@matronics.com.1.12.SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID.Subject.contains.a.unique.ID>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> First question, where's a good place to put this in
> the stream of fuel? I'm not too savvy on injected
> engines.
>
> While talking with Electronics International today, I
> was told that since there is a return of unused fuel,
> I'll need TWO transducers and a little box that
> computes the unused fuel. This adds about $300 to the
> price of my fuel flow, and am wondering if it's worth
> it now. Thoughts?
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-4
> N73DD
> Arizona (For Now)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
Paul,
The AFP has no return. The purge valve is not used during noemal operations
and this is the only source of returned fuel. Between the servo and the
flow divider is the best spot and I like Alex's idea of bringing thewe lines
to the firewall. Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:53 PM
To:
rv-list@matronics.com.1.12.SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID.Subject.contains.a.unique.ID
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
First question, where's a good place to put this in
the stream of fuel? I'm not too savvy on injected
engines.
While talking with Electronics International today, I
was told that since there is a return of unused fuel,
I'll need TWO transducers and a little box that
computes the unused fuel. This adds about $300 to the
price of my fuel flow, and am wondering if it's worth
it now. Thoughts?
Paul Besing
RV-4
N73DD
Arizona (For Now)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
My wife and I are planning a trip to South Dakota in July. Will be staying
over at Custer County Airport http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCUT which is
southwest of Rapid City.
Plenty of places to stay, state parks with wild life, Mount Rushmore nearby,
Black hills country, should be places to camp. Rental cars are available.
Jerry Calvert
RV 6 N296JC
Edmond Ok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy@jhill.biz>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dakotas
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy@jhill.biz>
>
> Fellow RV'ers:
>
> My son and I plan a flight in our 8A this weekend from Okla. up to the
Dakotas, and surrounding areas.
> Would appreciate knowing of any RV friendly locations--good sightseeing,
possibly airport camping spots, etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Jimmy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Tue Apr 18 22:10:46 2006, Alex Peterson wrote :
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>> First question, where's a good place to put this in the
>> stream of fuel? I'm not too savvy on injected engines.
>>
>> While talking with Electronics International today, I was
>> told that since there is a return of unused fuel, I'll need
>> TWO transducers and a little box that computes the unused
>> fuel. This adds about $300 to the price of my fuel flow, and
>> am wondering if it's worth it now. Thoughts?
>>
>> Paul Besing
>> RV-4
>> N73DD
>> Arizona (For Now)
>
>Paul, put it in the line between the servo and flow divider. You'll have to
>add a hose, and you may need to bring those lines back to the firewall.
>
>For others paying attention, not all fuel injection systems have this return
>line (Airflow Performance, for one), making the installation as simple as a
>carb with respect to fuel lines.
According to the folks at Airflow Performance, Alex is right on the
money regarding where to install the transducer. I don't know what FI
system you are using, but with the API system there is no return line
for _normal_ operation. There is a return line for the purge valve
but that is only used pre-start to purge vapor from the lines, and
at shutdown to _positively_ terminate fuel flow to the flow divider
(and thus insure a clean shutdown of the engine).
The API opinion on the amount of fuel returned is that it is so little
(startup and shutdown) that putting a Flowscan on the return line would
be of little benefit.
I learned all these little tidbits at the FI-101 class I took at the
API facility. If you really want to know about fuel injection basics
and are within striking distance of Spartanburg, SC ... I'd recommend
it highly. I'm not affiliated, but am a satisfied customer. :)
Hope this helps.
-- Dwight
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| Subject: | Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil <czechsix@juno.com>
Guys,
I've been enjoying my trusty helmet but as the wx turns warmer I'm
thinking I'll probably break down and get a good ANR headset. The head
bucket is just too hot to wear when it gets into the upper 80's and
beyond. The other thing I've noticed is that the Oregon Aero earseals in
my helmet get extremely soft with higher temps and don't seem to seal as
well as they do in wintertime....they're very comfortable (as advertised)
but the ANR has a hard time keeping up with the noise level and I find it
bothersome after several hours in the air. FWIW I have the Headsets Inc
ANR in my helmet earcups and I imagine there are better systems available
from the likes of Bose and Lightspeed.
So...I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if I'm gonna spend some
dough, might as well get a good one and only cry once. I'm sure Bose is
the best but I can't quite believe the cost/benefit tradeoff is worth the
$1K price tag. So I'm looking at Lightspeed's top-of-the-line Thirty 3G
instead. It is cheap by comparison at about half the price of the Bose X
(iPilot.com has the Thirty 3G for $559 with free shipping).
Couple questions: does anybody know if Lightspeed might have a better
deal available at Oshkosh? If they have really good show specials it
might be worth waiting...
Also, any pireps on the Thirty 3G series or similar high-end Lightspeed
model would be appreciated. In general I've heard that Lightspeed
headsets are comfortable and work well, sometimes break but have good
factory support to replace parts. One of my hangarmates has a pair of
well-used Lightspeeds that have the thin covering pealing away from the
foam earseals and head cushions. Still works but looks like crap...
Thanks as always for the input,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D flying 25.0 hours now, first oil change just completed...
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Contrary to the fuel return on my airplane. Not sure
what type of injection it is, but the fuel return is
substantial in flight. I've run 30 mins on the left
tank, and after 30 mins on the right tank, the left
tank is full again.
Paul Besing
> The API opinion on the amount of fuel returned is
> that it is so little
> (startup and shutdown) that putting a Flowscan on
> the return line would
> be of little benefit.
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Having worn helmets in hot helicopters in the Alabama
humidity in the summer time, I know what you mean. At
least what I fly now is air conditioned, but wearning
helmets does get old.
I know you were not thinking of Bose because of price,
but in 4 years and 1000 hours of flying, no problems,
so I haven't needed the support. I flight instructed
with them in the hot AZ heat in the summer time, they
took a beating and don't even show the slightest wear
in the ear seals or anything.
I know lightspeed has great customer service, but
personally, I'd rather not have to use customer
service and never have a problem. I've seen threads
like this and I find it very humerous when people
write, "I've shipped them back 4 times and their
customer service is great..new ear seals and all!"
Sorry, but I don't care if your customer service is
great if you make a product that breaks. I don't get
the whole lightspeed craze. Sure, they make a good
quality ANR, but I find them bulky, and the plastic
just seems chincy and delicate to me, which seems to
be substantiated with all the claims of their customer
service and repair history.
Plus, with the Bose, you can't beat the music or
comfort quality. So much that when I bought my RV-4,
I splurged and bought a second pair. No interest
payments from Bose...I know, payments on a headset?
Worth every stinkin penny, IMHO.
Paul Besing
--- Mark E Navratil <czechsix@juno.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil
> <czechsix@juno.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> I've been enjoying my trusty helmet but as the wx
> turns warmer I'm
> thinking I'll probably break down and get a good ANR
> headset. The head
> bucket is just too hot to wear when it gets into the
> upper 80's and
> beyond. The other thing I've noticed is that the
> Oregon Aero earseals in
> my helmet get extremely soft with higher temps and
> don't seem to seal as
> well as they do in wintertime....they're very
> comfortable (as advertised)
> but the ANR has a hard time keeping up with the
> noise level and I find it
> bothersome after several hours in the air. FWIW I
> have the Headsets Inc
> ANR in my helmet earcups and I imagine there are
> better systems available
> from the likes of Bose and Lightspeed.
>
> So...I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if
> I'm gonna spend some
> dough, might as well get a good one and only cry
> once. I'm sure Bose is
> the best but I can't quite believe the cost/benefit
> tradeoff is worth the
> $1K price tag. So I'm looking at Lightspeed's
> top-of-the-line Thirty 3G
> instead. It is cheap by comparison at about half
> the price of the Bose X
> (iPilot.com has the Thirty 3G for $559 with free
> shipping).
>
> Couple questions: does anybody know if Lightspeed
> might have a better
> deal available at Oshkosh? If they have really good
> show specials it
> might be worth waiting...
>
> Also, any pireps on the Thirty 3G series or similar
> high-end Lightspeed
> model would be appreciated. In general I've heard
> that Lightspeed
> headsets are comfortable and work well, sometimes
> break but have good
> factory support to replace parts. One of my
> hangarmates has a pair of
> well-used Lightspeeds that have the thin covering
> pealing away from the
> foam earseals and head cushions. Still works but
> looks like crap...
>
> Thanks as always for the input,
>
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D flying 25.0 hours now, first oil change
> just completed...
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
I'm baffled why anyone would bother to run a return line on a Lycoming
powered RV. Certificated aircraft with Lycomings don't use them and
don't have problems. I fly behind an IO-360 without a return line over
100 hours a year. The Bendix RSA injection systems aren't set up for a
return line and don't need one. I don't know about non-certificated
injection systems, but the Bendix system works damn well. I can run lean
of peak no problem with stock injectors to as much as 70LOP. Starting
cold or hot is simple, rarely any difficulty.
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Paul Besing wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> Contrary to the fuel return on my airplane. Not sure
> what type of injection it is, but the fuel return is
> substantial in flight. I've run 30 mins on the left
> tank, and after 30 mins on the right tank, the left
> tank is full again.
>
> Paul Besing
>
>> The API opinion on the amount of fuel returned is
>> that it is so little
>> (startup and shutdown) that putting a Flowscan on
>> the return line would
>> be of little benefit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Wow! What kind of plumbing do you have that allows fuel to be ported back to
a tank that you're not drawing from? Both the Bendix/Precision injection
systems shouldn't port fuel back to any tank during normal flight
operation....even with a purge valve (normally used only for starting and
shutdown) and most of us flying with the old antique Bendix/Precision FI's
don't even have a return line. I know the subies and auto conversions are
different...but...I'm REALLY curious here...do tell!!
Cheers,
Stein.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Contrary to the fuel return on my airplane. Not sure
what type of injection it is, but the fuel return is
substantial in flight. I've run 30 mins on the left
tank, and after 30 mins on the right tank, the left
tank is full again.
Paul Besing
> The API opinion on the amount of fuel returned is
> that it is so little
> (startup and shutdown) that putting a Flowscan on
> the return line would
> be of little benefit.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
If anyone is going towards the Black Hills and looking for a place to keep
their plane, contact me off list. My dad has a really nice 2K'+ strip on
his Ranch just outside of Sturgis, and a nice huge hangar to park your plane
in...free of course (and there's 5,000 acres you can camp on if you like)!
He always welcomes anyone, so feel free to contact me if you're interested.
Cheers,
Stein.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dakotas
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
My wife and I are planning a trip to South Dakota in July. Will be staying
over at Custer County Airport http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCUT which is
southwest of Rapid City.
Plenty of places to stay, state parks with wild life, Mount Rushmore nearby,
Black hills country, should be places to camp. Rental cars are available.
Jerry Calvert
RV 6 N296JC
Edmond Ok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy@jhill.biz>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dakotas
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy@jhill.biz>
>
> Fellow RV'ers:
>
> My son and I plan a flight in our 8A this weekend from Okla. up to the
Dakotas, and surrounding areas.
> Would appreciate knowing of any RV friendly locations--good sightseeing,
possibly airport camping spots, etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Jimmy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/18/2006 9:17:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
czechsix@juno.com writes:
I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if I'm gonna spend some
dough, might as well get a good one and only cry once. I'm sure Bose is
the best but I can't quite believe the cost/benefit tradeoff is worth the
$1K price tag. So I'm looking at Lightspeed's top-of-the-line Thirty 3G
instead. It is cheap by comparison at about half the price of the Bose X
(iPilot.com has the Thirty 3G for $559 with free shipping).
=============================================
I have two Thirty 3Gs and they are okay although I hate the plastic and
would encourage you to evaluate the ear seals (I didn't get good results from
the
new style ear seals, so I swapped them out for the older style). I would
agree with others that the Bose X headsets are probably a superior product
overall and if my stocks returned better numbers I would have splurged (invested)
in Bose Xs as well, and with gas prices as high as they are we're not flying
quite as much as we used to.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
A return line is to prevent vapor lock and it's a function of how tightly
your engine is cowled. More heat - more problems. So the need for a return
line would vary from airplane to airplane - not by engine/servo type. I have
an IO-540 AA1A5 in my Glasair III and I have a return line. My servo did not
come with one but it was easily added. Fuel stoppage can ruin your whole
day.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected
--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
I'm baffled why anyone would bother to run a return line on a Lycoming
powered RV. Certificated aircraft with Lycomings don't use them and
don't have problems. I fly behind an IO-360 without a return line over
100 hours a year. The Bendix RSA injection systems aren't set up for a
return line and don't need one. I don't know about non-certificated
injection systems, but the Bendix system works damn well. I can run lean
of peak no problem with stock injectors to as much as 70LOP. Starting
cold or hot is simple, rarely any difficulty.
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Paul Besing wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> Contrary to the fuel return on my airplane. Not sure
> what type of injection it is, but the fuel return is
> substantial in flight. I've run 30 mins on the left
> tank, and after 30 mins on the right tank, the left
> tank is full again.
>
> Paul Besing
>
>> The API opinion on the amount of fuel returned is
>> that it is so little
>> (startup and shutdown) that putting a Flowscan on
>> the return line would
>> be of little benefit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> So...I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if I'm gonna spend some
> dough, might as well get a good one and only cry once. I'm sure Bose is
> the best but I can't quite believe the cost/benefit tradeoff is worth the
> $1K price tag. ...
It is a lot of money, that's for sure. Before I had bought my Bose X
headsets a few years ago, I had only used David Clark. I didn't have
the chance to try many other headsets, since there are no pilot shops
around here. All the various ones I had tried seemed fine, but I
decided to order the Bose anyway, even though I had never tried a
set. They claim you can send them back. I'm happy with them, and
if I had invested the extra $500 in the stock market, it would be
worth about $300! :-)
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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