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1. 05:03 AM - Re: Scott Crossfield (N395V)
2. 05:15 AM - 6 A is flight level:thread shift: wing AOA ()
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Bob Collins)
4. 06:25 AM - Oil Gage Assembly (emrath@comcast.net)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Dwight Frye)
6. 09:38 AM - Slider canopy rear fit (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Charlie Kuss)
8. 10:41 AM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (HCRV6@comcast.net)
9. 11:46 AM - Re: Scott Crossfield (RV6 Flyer)
10. 11:48 AM - Scott Crossfield (Bill VonDane)
11. 11:51 AM - We lost Scott Crossfield today (Grenwis@aol.com)
12. 11:56 AM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (John Jessen)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Kysh)
14. 01:00 PM - "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender (Ralph E. Capen)
15. 01:21 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Andy Gold)
16. 01:32 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
17. 01:48 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Folbrecht, Paul)
18. 01:48 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Kysh)
19. 02:22 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Ron Lee)
20. 02:29 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (John Jessen)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender (Kevin Horton)
22. 02:48 PM - Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings (Curt Reimer)
23. 02:56 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
24. 03:06 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
25. 03:07 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sende r (Belue, Kevin)
26. 03:07 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender (Ralph E. Capen)
27. 03:07 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender (Ralph E. Capen)
28. 03:09 PM - Recall: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure s ender (Belue, Kevin)
29. 03:09 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Kyle Boatright)
30. 03:59 PM - Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sende r (Ralph E. Capen)
31. 05:15 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Jerry Hansen)
32. 05:33 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (ogoodwin@comcast.net)
33. 05:48 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Tim Olson)
34. 05:48 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Tony Marshall)
35. 06:02 PM - Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" (dick martin)
36. 06:04 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (David Fenstermacher)
37. 06:35 PM - ADI Impressions - Long (JVanLaak@aol.com)
38. 07:21 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Terry Watson)
39. 07:32 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Tom Gummo)
40. 07:51 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Ron Lee)
41. 07:58 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Sam Buchanan)
42. 08:12 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (David Fenstermacher)
43. 08:17 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (linn Walters)
44. 08:43 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Bob Collins)
45. 08:50 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (kelby alexander)
46. 08:50 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (kelby alexander)
47. 08:51 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Jerry Springer)
48. 08:58 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (aeroncadoc@comcast.net)
49. 09:16 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Dave Nellis)
50. 09:50 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (kelby alexander)
51. 10:40 PM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Dan)
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| Subject: | Re: Scott Crossfield |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Home > News > Georgia > WXIA-TV Atlanta 4/20/2006 7:52:03 AM
Legendary Pilot's Plane Missing
Scott Crossfield
The Federal Aviation Administration confirmed for 11Alive News Thursday that a
plane missing in North Georgia belongs to a legendary test pilot.
The missing plane is owned by 85-year-old Scott Crossfield, but officials are not
certain that Crossfield was piloting the plane when it disappeared Wednesday.
The Cessna was last seen on radar near Ellijah, Ga.. It left Prattville, Ala. on
a flight to Virginia. The Civil Air Patrol's Georgia wing is conducting air
and ground searches along the flight path, a spokesperson said.
On Nov. 20, 1953, Crossfield became the first man to fly at twice the speed of
sound as he piloted the Douglas D-558-II Skyrocket to a speed of 1,291 mph. He
was inducted into the National Aviation Hall of Fame in 1983, the International
Space Hall of Fame in 1988, and the Aerospace Walk of Honor in 1990.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29603#29603
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| Subject: | 6 A is flight level:thread shift: wing AOA |
--> RV-List message posted by: <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Related to the nose varying from 'true': My -7 leading edges, both tank skins &
outboard leading edges, actually have a 'dip' both above & below the nose. I've
also seen this on other current kits. I called Van's tech guys & they basically
didn't care. They just said it's an artifact of the LE forming process &
refused to discuss any detrimental aerodynamic effects.
Have any others noticed this?
Has anyone actually tried to do something to correct it?
Is it worth trying to correct (meaning is there a speed penalty for ignoring it)?
If you want to check yours, run your fingers from the leading edge toward the trailing
edge & if it's there, you'll feel a significant dip just back of the rolled
leading edge.
Charlie
>
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Date: 2006/04/19 Wed PM 08:24:27 CDT
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 6 A is flight level when?
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> The AOA will be quite low. If the airfoil was a true 23013.5 series,
> and this was a 2D wing (i.e. there were no effects from the fuselage
> or wing tip, the AOA at 1600 lb, 212 mph at 8,000 ft would be about
> 0.3 degrees (value calculated by XFOIL). If we drop the cruise speed
> to 189 mph, the AOA would be about 0.6 degrees.
>
> I understand that the leading edge of the RV airfoil differs slightly
> from the NACA profile. And, the local AOA is not constant along the
> span, due to the effect of the fuselage and wing tip. So the above
> values must be considered as approximate.
>
> Kevin Horton
>
> On 19 Apr 2006, at 19:55, Tracy Crook wrote:
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> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
> >
> > True, which brings up a related subject.
> >
> > Anyone know what the AOA of the 230xx airfoil on the RV is at any
> > typical cruise speed? I need to make a decision on whether to
> > change from stock RV incidence on my "long wing" RV-8. Span is 3
> > feet longer than stock which should result in a lower AOA for any
> > given condition. I have a program to predict the appropriate
> > change but don't know what it is to start with and haven't seen it
> > in the plans book.
> >
> > Tracy Crook
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich
> >> <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov<mailto:mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>>
> >>
> >> I presume the top longeron is "level" when in straight and
> >> level flight.
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> > The pitch attitude in straight and level flight will depend on the
> > airspeed, weight and flap angle, and to a less extent, on CG.
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> > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> > Ottawa, Canada
> > http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8<http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8>
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> I can understand that any restriction upstream of the engine
> fuel pump might
> tend to increase the possibility of vapour lock. However you
> would think
> that the AFP electric fuel boost pump itself would cause some sort of
> restriction....surely the filter would.
I believe there's an automatic bypass on the AFP in the event of a blockage
in the filter.
On question though, the terms people are using here remind me of when I'm in
a pattern and somebody says "NXXXX, on the GPS approach to Runway XYZ. Of
course, that does absolutely no good to anybody who doesn't know the GPS
approach." So when you give these places of where the thing should e
installed, for those of us who haven't yet really tackled this task, could
you provide a little more information regarding its exactly location in
relation to the fuselage and firewall? It'd be a big help.
Thanks
Bob Collins
RV Builder's Hotline
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/
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| Subject: | Oil Gage Assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: emrath@comcast.net
Listers:
I am in need of an oil gage assembly, having a top that measure 1.125" dia. accross
the threads, as the one I have to too large having a dia of 1.25". Does
anyone have anything laying around they'd sell or trade me?Please contact me off
list.
do not archive
Marty
Listers:
I am in need of an oil gage assembly, having a top that measure 1.125" dia. accross
the threads, as the one I have to too large having a dia of 1.25". Does anyone
have anything laying around they'd sell or trade me?Please contact me off
list.
do not archive
Marty
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Again ... I'm just passing on information I learned from others, and have
not performed this installation myself. But this is how I intend to do it.
The place that I have been instructed to install my flowscan is between the
throttlebody and the flow divider. In fact, the suggestion is to install it
very near the flow divider on the line that runs between the cylinders. There
will be a straight run out from the throttle body up to the Flowscan, then
out of the Flowscan will be a short straight run and then from the transducer
a line runs to the purge valve, and with the purge valve plumbed into the
flow divider inlet. The whole transducer assembly should be wrapped in
firesleeve to protect it from heat.
The impression I have been left with is that this makes for a simple install
with good results. It measures only that fuel that metered out of the servo,
is not affected (therefore) by pressure changes from turning on/off the boost
pump, and does not create a restriction on the suction side of the engine
driven pump. It -does- mean that when you purge the line at start up and shut
down a small amount of fuel will be counted as "consumed" even though it is
returned to the supply lines .. but that is going to be only a small amount
of fuel compared to the total consumed during a flight, and thus results in
only a small percentage error. And .. most importantly .. that error will be
on the conservative side meaning you will have -slightly- more fuel than your
equipment thinks it has rather than less. That is the "right kind" of error
to have, if you are going to have any error. :)
If someone has better information ... please feel free to correct any mistakes
I might have made. But this is my memory of what was shared at the Airflow
class.
-- Dwight
On Thu Apr 20 08:19:55 2006, Bob Collins wrote :
>I believe there's an automatic bypass on the AFP in the event of a blockage
>in the filter.
>
>On question though, the terms people are using here remind me of when I'm in
>a pattern and somebody says "NXXXX, on the GPS approach to Runway XYZ. Of
>course, that does absolutely no good to anybody who doesn't know the GPS
>approach." So when you give these places of where the thing should e
>installed, for those of us who haven't yet really tackled this task, could
>you provide a little more information regarding its exactly location in
>relation to the fuselage and firewall? It'd be a big help.
>
>Thanks
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| Subject: | Slider canopy rear fit |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
After a fight and a half my slider frame (RV7A) fits fairly nicely. The
only spot I'm not happy with is the rear horizontal part near the secure
pins. The canopy frame is too wide at this point and does not conform to
the bend of the fuse or the suggestion of 1/16" clearance all around.
This area is box framed steel and presents a challenge when it comes to
bending the frame in that area. I'm planning on using fiberglass fairings
all around since I've had good results with this in the past.
Any others have problems in this area of the canopy frame?
Steve
RV7A #2
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Bob,
Check out JPI's installation instructions. They use the same
FlowScan transducer. Check out pages 8-10 on the web document below
http://www.jpinstruments.com/700-800_FF_install.PDF
FYI, folks use gascolators on carbureted engines. They are a
relatively low pressure system (5 psi) versus 25 psi for the Bendix
and AFP fuel injection systems. That's an apples to oranges
comparison. Yes, installing the fuel filter before the aux fuel pump
will create a slight restriction. However, these filters use a SS
mesh screen, not a paper element like cars do, so the restriction is
slight. The transducer is small and contains a close tolerance
trubine. There is a greater possibility of cavitation (air bubbles)
if this is installed before either of the pumps.
I spoke to an engineer at FlowScan, he said that the 5" rule is not
critical, so long as you aren't installing a 90 degree fitting at
either end of the transducer. As you have noted, others have
installed the transducer behind the firewall with success. If it's
installed behind the firewall but after the electric aux pump, any
cavitation issues can be resolved by engaging the electric pump. The
transducer then goes from being on the suction side of the system, to
the pressure side.
The engineer I spoke with stated that the orientation issue is to
prevent debris from jamming the transducer.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" <bobbarrow10@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I can understand that any restriction upstream of the engine fuel pump might
>tend to increase the possibility of vapour lock. However you would think
>that the AFP electric fuel boost pump itself would cause some sort of
>restriction....surely the filter would. And then there's the people who also
>use gascolators...or additional filters in the wing roots etc. Wouldn't all
>of these things create some degree of resistance to flow. Why is the fuel
>flow transducer being singled out...does it present an exceptional
>resistance to flow. Have there been any reported cases of vapour lock
>associated with locating the transducer upstream of the engine fuel
>pump....or is this just more "worry bucket" stuff.
>
>Does anybody have any pix of their fuel transducer mounted between the servo
>and the divider (and off the engine as has been recommended). Have the
>people who have done this had universally good metering results...despite
>the fact that they "may" not have the prerequisite 5" of straight line
>before and after the transducer and may not have it mounted vertically as
>recommended by the manufacturer.
>
>Decisions, decisions...phew.
>
>New year, new job there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK
>http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
I've been following this thread with interest and now I'll toss in my $0.02. I
was using a Lightspeed QFR XC (ANR) headset for the first fifty hours or so in
my RV-6. I really thought the Lightspeed was more than adequate. Unfortunately
for me, the Bose offer of no interest for 12 twelve months and 30 day no
questions asked return policy intriqued me so I bit just to try it. I had no
intention of keeping it since obviously no head set is worth $1000.00. Wrong!
Long story short I now have two Bose and you'd have to pry them out of my cold
dead fingers to get me to part with them.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 203 hours
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> Mickey Coggins wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> >
> >> So...I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if I'm gonna spend some
> >> dough, might as well get a good one and only cry once. I'm sure Bose is
> >> the best but I can't quite believe the cost/benefit tradeoff is worth the
> >> $1K price tag. ...
> >
> > It is a lot of money, that's for sure. Before I had bought my Bose X
> > headsets a few years ago, I had only used David Clark. I didn't have
> > the chance to try many other headsets, since there are no pilot shops
> > around here. All the various ones I had tried seemed fine, but I
> > decided to order the Bose anyway, even though I had never tried a
> > set. They claim you can send them back. I'm happy with them, and
> > if I had invested the extra $500 in the stock market, it would be
> > worth about $300! :-)
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| Subject: | Scott Crossfield |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/20/georgia.plane.ap/index.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,842 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jerry Isler" <jlisler@alltel.net>
Subject: RV-List: Scott Crossfield
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Isler" <jlisler@alltel.net>
Off topic post! DO NOT ARCHIEVE.
Has anyone heard anything about Scott Crossfield going down around Rome,
Georgia this morning? I caught the tail end of a news cast about this and
have no other details.
Jerry Isler
Donalsonville, GA
RV-4 N455J
Cessna C140A N9641A
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| Subject: | Scott Crossfield |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Scott Crossfield, 84, Lost In GA Plane Accident...
http://www.aero-news.net/
do not archive
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
I just read with sadness the news that Scott Crossfield died as the lone
occupant of his airplane in a crash in GA. My RV indirectly led me to the
pleasure of meeting this great man. When I first started my project in 2001 I
visited a flying RV-6A at Manassas airport in Virginia. While there, a Cessna
taxied up and an old guy climbed out. The other pilot I was visiting took me
over and introduced me to the first man to fly faster than Mach 2 and live.
As Scott told me, someone else got to Mach 2 first, but didn't live long
enough to land his plane afterwards. Within minutes Scott was telling a dirty
joke about a time in the decompression chamber 50-some years ago. What an
impact on me to meet this living legend of flight. My thoughts go out to his
family and friends.
Rick Grenwis
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| Subject: | Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I actually did the same with the Bose. I bit on the no interest, 30 day
marketing ploy. Current my ANRs are converted David Clarks. The Bose
certainly are better than what I have now, but I returned them all the same.
While building I'm not flying as much, and therefore decided not to spend
the $$ at this time. But, yes, when I get the RV-10 completed, actually
while completing the panel, there will be a spot to plug in the Bose that
I'm hoping someone close to me might spring for, given how poverty stricken
I'll be by then. I plan to save the DC's for the back seaters.
John Jessen
RV-10 (Tailcone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Helmet & Headset ponderings
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net
I've been following this thread with interest and now I'll toss in my $0.02.
I was using a Lightspeed QFR XC (ANR) headset for the first fifty hours or
so in my RV-6. I really thought the Lightspeed was more than adequate.
Unfortunately for me, the Bose offer of no interest for 12 twelve months and
30 day no questions asked return policy intriqued me so I bit just to try
it. I had no intention of keeping it since obviously no head set is worth
$1000.00. Wrong! Long story short I now have two Bose and you'd have to
pry them out of my cold dead fingers to get me to part with them.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 203 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
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> >> So...I've been looking at ANR headsets and figure if I'm gonna
> >> spend some dough, might as well get a good one and only cry once.
> >> I'm sure Bose is the best but I can't quite believe the
> >> cost/benefit tradeoff is worth the $1K price tag. ...
> >
> > It is a lot of money, that's for sure. Before I had bought my Bose
> > X headsets a few years ago, I had only used David Clark. I didn't
> > have the chance to try many other headsets, since there are no pilot
> > shops around here. All the various ones I had tried seemed fine,
> > but I decided to order the Bose anyway, even though I had never
> > tried a set. They claim you can send them back. I'm happy with
> > them, and if I had invested the extra $500 in the stock market, it
> > would be worth about $300! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
He had a great run, and died flying.
How can anyone beat that?
-Kysh
--
ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Folks,
I'm looking for a dual fitting that allows the fuel to flow and allows me to either
attach my sender or attach another hose to the firewall mounted manifold...I've
seen these - where do they come from and what's the part number.
Anyone have any pictures?
Thanks,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
To have a great run and NOT die flying
Andy
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> He had a great run, and died flying.
>
> How can anyone beat that?
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> -Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
In a message dated 04/20/2006 3:25:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
winterland@rkymtnhi.com writes:
To have a great run and NOT die flying
HEAR, HEAR !!!
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
He was 84. If I make it to 84 and pass without ever being a resident at
a group home, and with a valid FAA medical in my wallet, I'll consider
that quite a good run.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gold
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
To have a great run and NOT die flying
Andy
>
> He had a great run, and died flying.
>
> How can anyone beat that?
>
> -Kysh
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Andy Gold was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> > He had a great run, and died flying.
> >
> > How can anyone beat that?
> >
> > -Kysh
>
> To have a great run and NOT die flying
Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it
creep up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around,
and me I'd hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I
loved.
We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had
the choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
-Kysh
--
ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> > > How can anyone beat that?
I would rather not die flying in thunderstorms.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones. And,
he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is a
loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy. My
heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
affected.
John Jessen
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Andy Gold was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> > He had a great run, and died flying.
> >
> > How can anyone beat that?
> >
> > -Kysh
>
> To have a great run and NOT die flying
Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it creep
up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me I'd
hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had the
choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
-Kysh
--
ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 20 Apr 2006, at 15:58, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm looking for a dual fitting that allows the fuel to flow and
> allows me to either attach my sender or attach another hose to the
> firewall mounted manifold...I've seen these - where do they come
> from and what's the part number.
>
> Anyone have any pictures?
I used an Earl's 100192ERL, purchased from a local speed shop:
http://www.holley.com/100192ERL.asp
It takes the -6 fuel line fittings, and you can screw in an elbow or
straight fitting as required to attach the fuel line hose.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet & Headset ponderings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer@mts.net>
> Also, any pireps on the Thirty 3G series or similar high-end Lightspeed
> model would be appreciated. In general I've heard that Lightspeed
> headsets are comfortable and work well, sometimes break but have good
> factory support to replace parts. One of my hangarmates has a pair of
> well-used Lightspeeds that have the thin covering pealing away from the
> foam earseals and head cushions. Still works but looks like crap...
Mark, my experience with the Thirty 3G is pretty much as you describe. It's
made almost entirely of plastic and it's a bit flimsy but the sound quality
is great and it has features that I wouldn't live without, like the music
and cellphone inputs. It also has the most earcup room of any of the ANR
headsets I've tried. For me, that makes it the most comfortable because the
cups seals don't press against my ears. The Thirty 3G has leatherette
covered earcups and the peeling foam isn't an issue anymore.
I've broken my headband once (it was -20F at the time) and I shipped it off
to Lightspeed and repairs were prompt and free (two days plus shipping
time). I have also taken my headset in for servicing at Airventure a couple
of times. The Lightspeed people bring a stock of parts with them and you can
walk up and get your headset serviced at their booth. Their policy seems to
be to just replace everything, even if from normal wear and tear, forever,
just for the asking. I found my earcups getting a bit stiff after a couple
of years of wear and when I asked them at Osh how to care for them, they
just handed my a new pair of cups, which snapped right in.
If Lightspeed built their headsets with David Clark ruggedness, they would
be unbeatable. For my money the Thirty 3G is still the best, but if I were
flying professionally I might not put up with their fragility.
Curt
RV-6
C-GACR
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
This is the one Van's sells that takes the pressure line off at the fuel pump:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1145569610-200-597&brows
e=engines&product=pump-fittings
Or go to the online catalog and search for: KB-090-T
They also sell the 3-port/3-circuit manifold- usually seen in blue anodized
attire- perhaps that what you are referring to, pt# VA-168:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1145569801-200-597&brows
e=airframe&product=va168-va188
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
He had a great run, and died flying.
How can anyone beat that?
~~ To fly is to truly live
There are many people in this world for whom I have great respect, but few
whom I truly admire. Of the latter, Scott Crossfield is at the top of the
list. I will join many others in mourning his passing.
Gordon Comfort
N3363GC
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sende r |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
I used the Tee fitting w/1/8" pipe thread tapping for fuel pressure, part #
07-00783 from Aircraft Spruce. It screws into the engine fuel pump outlet
and has one port for the hose to the carb and another, smaller port for a
hose to the fuel pressure sender.
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A
RV-10
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Horton [mailto:khorton01@rogers.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for
> pressure sender
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
> <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 20 Apr 2006, at 15:58, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> > <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I'm looking for a dual fitting that allows the fuel to flow
> and
> > allows me to either attach my sender or attach another hose
> to the
> > firewall mounted manifold...I've seen these - where do they
> come
> > from and what's the part number.
> >
> > Anyone have any pictures?
>
> I used an Earl's 100192ERL, purchased from a local speed shop:
>
> http://www.holley.com/100192ERL.asp
>
> It takes the -6 fuel line fittings, and you can screw in an
> elbow or
> straight fitting as required to attach the fuel line hose.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS EMAIL MAY BE DRS PROPRIETARY/COMPETITION
SENSITIVE AND IS ONLY INTENDED FOR THE ADDRESSEE OF THIS EMAIL
THIS DOCUMENT AND/OR SHIPMENT MAY CONTAIN COMMODITY ITEMS, SOFTWARE OR
TECHNICAL DATA THAT IS CONTROLLED BY U.S. EXPORT LAW, AND MAY NOT BE
EXPORTED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES OR TO NON U.S. PERSONS WITHOUT THE
APPROPRIATE EXPORT LICENSE FROM EITHER THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE OR
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE.
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Mark,
I already have the VA 168 = I need the KB-090-T
Thanks,
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> This is the one Van's sells that takes the pressure line off at the fuel
> pump:
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1145569610-200-597&brows
> e=engines&product=pump-fittings
>
> Or go to the online catalog and search for: KB-090-T
>
> They also sell the 3-port/3-circuit manifold- usually seen in blue
> anodized
> attire- perhaps that what you are referring to, pt# VA-168:
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1145569801-200-597&brows
> e=airframe&product=va168-va188
>
> Mark do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
This might work - depending on what I dream up....
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sender
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 20 Apr 2006, at 15:58, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for a dual fitting that allows the fuel to flow and
>> allows me to either attach my sender or attach another hose to the
>> firewall mounted manifold...I've seen these - where do they come
>> from and what's the part number.
>>
>> Anyone have any pictures?
>
> I used an Earl's 100192ERL, purchased from a local speed shop:
>
> http://www.holley.com/100192ERL.asp
>
> It takes the -6 fuel line fittings, and you can screw in an elbow or
> straight fitting as required to attach the fuel line hose.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure s ender |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
Belue, Kevin would like to recall the message, "RV-List: "Dual" take-off
fuel pump fitting for pressure sender".
INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS EMAIL MAY BE DRS PROPRIETARY/COMPETITION
SENSITIVE AND IS ONLY INTENDED FOR THE ADDRESSEE OF THIS EMAIL
THIS DOCUMENT AND/OR SHIPMENT MAY CONTAIN COMMODITY ITEMS, SOFTWARE OR
TECHNICAL DATA THAT IS CONTROLLED BY U.S. EXPORT LAW, AND MAY NOT BE
EXPORTED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES OR TO NON U.S. PERSONS WITHOUT THE
APPROPRIATE EXPORT LICENSE FROM EITHER THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE OR
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE.
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
The crash occurred about 25 miles from my office, and the crash occurred
around lunchtime yesterday.
Just before his crash, I had gone over to the airport to give my carburetor
to the AI I use, and we both commented on what a rotten flying day it was.
Low altitude visibility was awful, and you could hear lots of thunder to the
North. When I returned to work (around 12:30 or 1:00, roughly the time of
the crash), I just beat a monster storm that included hail, rain, etc. That
storm was part of the area (or line?) of T-storms where Mr. Crossfield went
down.
It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>>
>> > > How can anyone beat that?
>
>
> I would rather not die flying in thunderstorms.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sende r |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Thanks - these are identical to the parts that Vans has in their catalog.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for pressure sende r
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
>
> I used the Tee fitting w/1/8" pipe thread tapping for fuel pressure, part
> #
> 07-00783 from Aircraft Spruce. It screws into the engine fuel pump outlet
> and has one port for the hose to the carb and another, smaller port for a
> hose to the fuel pressure sender.
>
> Kevin D. Belue
> RV-6A
> RV-10
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Horton [mailto:khorton01@rogers.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: "Dual" take-off fuel pump fitting for
>> pressure sender
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton
>> <khorton01@rogers.com>
>>
>> On 20 Apr 2006, at 15:58, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>> > <recapen@earthlink.net>
>> >
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a dual fitting that allows the fuel to flow
>> and
>> > allows me to either attach my sender or attach another hose
>> to the
>> > firewall mounted manifold...I've seen these - where do they
>> come
>> > from and what's the part number.
>> >
>> > Anyone have any pictures?
>>
>> I used an Earl's 100192ERL, purchased from a local speed shop:
>>
>> http://www.holley.com/100192ERL.asp
>>
>> It takes the -6 fuel line fittings, and you can screw in an
>> elbow or
>> straight fitting as required to attach the fuel line hose.
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS EMAIL MAY BE DRS PROPRIETARY/COMPETITION
> SENSITIVE AND IS ONLY INTENDED FOR THE ADDRESSEE OF THIS EMAIL
>
> THIS DOCUMENT AND/OR SHIPMENT MAY CONTAIN COMMODITY ITEMS, SOFTWARE OR
> TECHNICAL DATA THAT IS CONTROLLED BY U.S. EXPORT LAW, AND MAY NOT BE
> EXPORTED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES OR TO NON U.S. PERSONS WITHOUT THE
> APPROPRIATE EXPORT LICENSE FROM EITHER THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE OR
> DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
I agree, John. Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,
younger age. He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life. He
was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered
weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle. One can only
imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was
conscious on the way down. I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his
age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved
ones around when he left us.
I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved". That
doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that
loved him. There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be
somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and
feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we
love". I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in
aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families
left behind. Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.
....and yet, I fly. Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.
Jerry Hansen
Gillespie Field
San Diego
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones. And,
he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is a
loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy. My
heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
affected.
John Jessen
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As Andy Gold was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> > He had a great run, and died flying.
> >
> > How can anyone beat that?
> >
> > -Kysh
>
> To have a great run and NOT die flying
Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it creep
up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me I'd
hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had the
choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
-Kysh
--
ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved" haven't
been close to doing so.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>
> I agree, John. Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,
> younger age. He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life. He
> was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered
> weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle. One can only
> imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was
> conscious on the way down. I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his
> age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved
> ones around when he left us.
>
> I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved". That
> doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that
> loved him. There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be
> somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and
> feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we
> love". I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in
> aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families
> left behind. Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.
>
> ....and yet, I fly. Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.
>
> Jerry Hansen
> Gillespie Field
> San Diego
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:28 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones. And,
> he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is a
> loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy. My
> heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
> affected.
>
> John Jessen
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
> As Andy Gold was saying:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
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> > > He had a great run, and died flying.
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> > > How can anyone beat that?
> > >
> > > -Kysh
> >
> > To have a great run and NOT die flying
>
> Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it creep
> up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me I'd
> hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
>
> We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had the
> choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
>
> -Kysh
> --
> ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
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> ~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm thinking more like the guys from "Second Hand Lions".
If you haven't seen it, you'd probably like much of it.
Sad to see Scott go, but glad that he was able to stretch
his flying out to his final days. When my flying is done,
life will be much less worthwhile.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Ron Lee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
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>
>>>> How can anyone beat that?
>
>
> I would rather not die flying in thunderstorms.
>
> Ron Lee
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
Jerry, your perspective is right on....in my humble opinion at
least....thanks.
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>
> I agree, John. Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,
> younger age. He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life. He
> was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered
> weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle. One can only
> imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was
> conscious on the way down. I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his
> age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved
> ones around when he left us.
>
> I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved".
> That
> doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those
> that
> loved him. There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to
> be
> somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and
> feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we
> love". I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in
> aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families
> left behind. Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.
>
> ....and yet, I fly. Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.
>
> Jerry Hansen
> Gillespie Field
> San Diego
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:28 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones.
> And,
> he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is a
> loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy.
> My
> heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
> affected.
>
> John Jessen
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
> As Andy Gold was saying:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>
>> > He had a great run, and died flying.
>> >
>> > How can anyone beat that?
>> >
>> > -Kysh
>>
>> To have a great run and NOT die flying
>
> Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it
> creep
> up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me
> I'd
> hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
>
> We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had the
> choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
>
> -Kysh
> --
> ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
> CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
> ~~ To fly is to truly live
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Jim et al,
3 years ago I wanted to try to find the best propeller for my RV8. I have a
76" Hartzell that I have had since new, and it worked well, however, I
wanted more speed as well as climb. I also wanted lighter weight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: Blended Airfoil 72" vs. 74"
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone have any information on pros and cons on choosing a 72" vs.
> 74" Hartzell blended airfoil prop? Have searched archives and was unable
> to find any specific information relative to propeller diameter.
>
> Jim Thorne
> 7A-QB CHD
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
I agree w/goodwin.
It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
morning BS.
Nuff said.
ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved"
haven't been close to doing so.
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>>
>> I agree, John. Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,
>> younger age. He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life. He
>> was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered
>> weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle. One can only
>> imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was
>> conscious on the way down. I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his
>> age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved
>> ones around when he left us.
>>
>> I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved". That
>> doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that
>> loved him. There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be
>> somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and
>> feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we
>> love". I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in
>> aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families
>> left behind. Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.
>>
>> ....and yet, I fly. Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.
>>
>> Jerry Hansen
>> Gillespie Field
>> San Diego
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:28 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones. And,
>> he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is a
>> loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy. My
>> heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
>> affected.
>>
>> John Jessen
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>>
>> As Andy Gold was saying:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> He had a great run, and died flying.
>>>>
>>>> How can anyone beat that?
>>>>
>>>> -Kysh
>>>>
>>> To have a great run and NOT die flying
>>>
>> Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it creep
>> up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me I'd
>> hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
>>
>> We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had the
>> choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
>>
>> -Kysh
>> --
>> ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
>> CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
>> ~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | ADI Impressions - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: JVanLaak@aol.com
Listers,
I have been flying a Tru Track ADI for about 10 hours now and thought I
would share my early impressions with folks. The flying has all been VFR
although I am an experienced IFR pilot (Ex-AF) but not current. I should also
note
that I bought the ADI in part because I was not comfortable relying on the
Dynon that I had installed 2 years ago. The reliability issues I had with the
Dynon were dealt with by the company but I just never really felt like I was
getting the right data from the instrument. It just did not "feel" right,
and having had a failure of the main ADI in bad weather in a fighter years ago
I wanted to address that before trying to get IFR current again.
So right after Christmas I bought the ADI and waited expectantly for it to
show up. I say bought because my credit card was charged right away despite
the fact that it took over 2 months for it to be delivered. High demand they
said, but it will be coming " next week."
It finally did come in mid March and I excitedly took it out of the box and
hooked it up to power. The pitch system worked but made a rubbing sound.
The roll function was completely inop. Then I noticed that the case had a
bulge on the left side.
Not a happy camper I sent an email to Tru Trak immediately telling them they
had a quality problem. I got a note back from the service manager asking me
to send it right back and they would fix it. About 5 days later I got an
email indicating that one of the cards had come out of its mount and was jammed
in the case, binding the pitch mechanism. Their speculation was that it was
jarred out by shipment, but that seems unlikely to me. Regardless, they
repaired the unit and sent it back express so I got it into the plane and
working the next weekend.
It is definitely different from a regular attitude indicator. As many of
you know, both the pitch and roll signals come from rate sensors not a normal
gyro platform. So a pitch input is indicated in the normal way but the
amplitude of the movement soon reverts to a rate of climb indication. It is hard
to describe but works pretty intuitively in practice. Likewise the roll
indication initially comes from a roll sensor but then if you held knife-edge
flight it would revert to show wings level. But in normal coordinated turns the
roll sensor hands off to a yaw sensor in a nearly seamless way and it
operates very much like a normal attitude indicator.
A few of the funny things I have noticed so far. 1. The pitch indication
looks extreme on departure with an RV's rate of climb. Even my timid 160 hp
with fixed pitch prop does 1000 fpm and that is a BIG pitch indication on the
scale. It would be easy for them to tone that down some and that will be a
recommendation when I get more time on it. The down-indication is less of a
problem.
Normal under the hood flying works just fine. In fact level turns are
extremely easy with the vertical velocity what you are actually flying. And the
instantaneous pitch sensor addresses most of the lag of the traditional VS
indicator.
The roll sensor maxes out at 30 degrees and a red arrow flashes to tell you
to roll out if you exceed that angle. You obviously cannot do steep turns
that way which is something of a problem. Likewise it is unclear what happens
in a truly serious unusual attitude. I will experiment at some point but
have not done so yet. Finally, if you fly level and slow down until you
approach the stall the pitch indicator stays level and then starts to go down
as the
sink rate increases even though the nose is way up. The only indication on
the screen is a flashing "AS" for airspeed.
Bottom line is I think I like it and am looking forward to some serious hood
work to check it out. BUT I have decided to move the Dynon to the right
side of the panel as a full performance back up instrument as well as an
all-in-one instrument for guest pilots. But it addresses the extreme attitude
situation and will offer a nice back up to this EXPERIMENTAL instrument.
It seems to be a good addition to the homebuilt suite. BTW, I have no
interest in investing in the AOA function they are adding. I am not a big AOA
fan
(despite hundreds of hours with them) and I really don't care for this
implementation.
Jim Van Laak
RV-6 N79RL
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
"Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
life.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
<davidfenster@comcast.net>
I agree w/goodwin.
It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
morning BS.
Nuff said.
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I read this somewhere:
There are two sad days in a pilot's life:
1. The day he knows that he is takings his last flight as a pilot.
2. The day he doesn't know it is his last flight.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fenstermacher" <davidfenster@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> I agree w/goodwin.
> It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
> Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
> I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
> a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
> kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
> still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
> obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
> especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
> been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
> morning BS.
>
> Nuff said.
>
>
> ogoodwin@comcast.net wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
>>
>> I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he
>> loved" haven't been close to doing so.
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I agree, John. Here was a man who had shown great courage at an
>>> earlier,
>>> younger age. He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life.
>>> He
>>> was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered
>>> weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle. One can
>>> only
>>> imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was
>>> conscious on the way down. I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his
>>> age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved
>>> ones around when he left us.
>>>
>>> I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved".
>>> That
>>> doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those
>>> that
>>> loved him. There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us
>>> to be
>>> somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss
>>> and
>>> feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we
>>> love". I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in
>>> aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the
>>> families
>>> left behind. Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.
>>>
>>> ....and yet, I fly. Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.
>>>
>>> Jerry Hansen
>>> Gillespie Field
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:28 PM
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>>
>>> Yeah, well. He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones.
>>> And,
>>> he might also have picked his time, moment and style. Who knows. It is
>>> a
>>> loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy.
>>> My
>>> heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are
>>> affected.
>>>
>>> John Jessen
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kysh
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:46 PM
>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>>>
>>> As Andy Gold was saying:
>>>
>>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> He had a great run, and died flying.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can anyone beat that?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kysh
>>>>>
>>>> To have a great run and NOT die flying
>>>>
>>> Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it
>>> creep
>>> up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around, and me
>>> I'd
>>> hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I loved.
>>>
>>> We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others. If I had
>>> the
>>> choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.
>>>
>>> -Kysh
>>> --
>>> ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
>>> CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
>>> ~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>"Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
>life.
>
>Terry
Terry, the reality is that even if conjecture proves right (like with John
John),
it is unlikely to save a single life. People screw up. Always
have..always will.
Sometimes things bite you that are beyond you ability to prevent. Sometimes
you go beyond your abilities and get bit.
I see it in flying, scuba diving and almost any other endeavor where you
can be
killed. Even if one person learns the lesson "Stay away from X", there is
another
person (maybe many more) who are ready to suffer the same fate.
Personally it would be better if he were here for another twenty
years...even if
he could not fly after X age.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Kysh wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
>
> As Andy Gold was saying:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>
>>> He had a great run, and died flying.
>>>
>>> How can anyone beat that?
>>>
>>> -Kysh
>> To have a great run and NOT die flying
>
> Gotta die sometime, somehow. I'd sure rather die flying than have it
> creep up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around,
> and me I'd hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I
> loved.
Kysh, I certainly hope you do not lose your medical at a fairly young
age.......
Someday, when you are surrounded by a loving extended family with a
bunch of grandkids, you may realize the folly of your comments.
Best regards,
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
> to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
> is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
> someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
> USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
> discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
> from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
> accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
> disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
>
> "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
> life.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> I agree w/goodwin.
> It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
> Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
> I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
> a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
> kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
> still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
> obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
> especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
> been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
> morning BS.
>
> Nuff said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
snip
>It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
>someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
>
>KB
>
Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears
preventable, I'm also surprised, and amazed. Thousands of hours in
many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error
in judgement. I'm saddened every time it happens. I have twisted the
'old-bold pilot' phrase to "An old pilot is one that survives all his
(or her) stupid mistakes".
Linn
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I would like to interrupt the developing flame war just long enough to say
how much I admire the Greatest Generation. That includes, of course, Mr.
Crossfield.
When they came up with the phrase "he's got balls," it was for guys like him
and, frankly, thousands of men and women of his generation who are passing
from our lives every day.
I am always saddened, of course, when one passes. I look at my generation
(the Baby Boomers) and the one following it and I know we have not been or
acted worthy of what they handed over to us. And we could, never, ever
sacrifice in this day and age the way that one did. And that makes me sadder
still.
On the day of his death, I won't pollute his memory by thinking of anything
other than remembering him and his generation for what they gave me and this
country.
Will the circumstances of his death somehow help make me a better pilot. I
could not possibly care less. On this day, it's more important for me,
personally, to reflect on whether his life will help make me a better
person.
On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
Resume.
Bob Collins
St. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander" <n41va@blazemail.com>
Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I can only imagine what his
family is going thru. I lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that my
whole family monitored this exact RV list the day of the accident. We were very
comforted by the concerns of every other RVer. Even though some questioned
a few of my dads choices, just keep in mind that his family very well might might
be reading all of these posts. In that case my heart goes out to his family.
I didnt know Scott, but it sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster@comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
> to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
> is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
> someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
> USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
> discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
> from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
> accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
> disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
>
> "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
> life.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> I agree w/goodwin.
> It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
> Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
> I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
> a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
> kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
> still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
> obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
> especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
> been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
> morning BS.
>
> Nuff said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Fight the power! BlazeMail.com
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander" <n41va@blazemail.com>
Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I can only imagine what his
family is going thru. I lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that my
whole family monitored this exact RV list the day of the accident. We were very
comforted by the concerns of every other RVer. Even though some questioned
a few of my dads choices, just keep in mind that his family very well might might
be reading all of these posts. In that case my heart goes out to his family.
I didnt know Scott, but it sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster@comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
> to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
> is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
> someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
> USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
> discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
> from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
> accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
> disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
>
> "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
> life.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> I agree w/goodwin.
> It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.
> Death while doing what a person loved is still death.
> I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot). A 34 year old who left
> a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the
> kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is
> still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple. A pilot is dead. He
> obviously thought conditions were acceptable. Weather changes fast -
> especially when there is significant vertical development. Seen it -
> been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday
> morning BS.
>
> Nuff said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Fight the power! BlazeMail.com
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Bob Collins wrote:
>
>On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
>Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
>
>Resume.
>
>Bob Collins
>St. Paul
>
>
>
>
That is truly sad news also.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: aeroncadoc@comcast.net
The scary thing about flying to me, is that while I know about many of the risks
and dangers, I don't even know what I don't know. If flying ever does me in,
it will come from something in this category. I can certainly limit my risk by
some conscious and prudent decision making, but who hasn't violated his or her
own rules once or twice?
I guess most of us are willing to just accept the risks because there is something
about flying that we are attracted (addicted?) to.
Henry H.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters
>
> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright"
> >
> snip
>
> >It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
> >someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
> >
> >KB
> >
> Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears
> preventable, I'm also surprised, and amazed. Thousands of hours in
> many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error
> in judgement. I'm saddened every time it happens. I have twisted the
> 'old-bold pilot' phrase to "An old pilot is one that survives all his
> (or her) stupid mistakes".
> Linn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The scary thing about flying to me, is that while I know about many of the risks
and dangers, I don't even know what I don't know. If flying ever does me in,
it will come from something in this category. I can certainly limit my risk by
some conscious and prudent decision making, but who hasn't violated his or her
own rules once or twice?
I guess most of us are willing to just accept the risks because there is something
about flying that we are attracted (addicted?) to.
Henry H.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: linn Walters pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
-- RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <PITTS_PILOT@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <KBOATRIGHT1@COMCAST.NET>
snip
It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
KB
Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears
preventable, I'm also surprised, and amazed. Thousands of hours in
many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error
in judgement. I'm saddened every time it happens. I have twisted the
'old-bold pilot'
phrase
to "An old pilot is one that survives all his
(or her) stupid mistakes".
Linn
ralle,
List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
The day after JFK Jr. died, I had a flying lesson. My
wife was having a Tupperware party and my mother was
there. She implored me not to go flying. I told her
the best thing to do would be to get in that plane and
fly. All the while keeping in mind that accidents
happen and knowledge gained from it could help save me
or someone else. Keep flying and always have your
eyes and mind open.
Dave
--- kelby alexander <n41va@blazemail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander"
> <n41va@blazemail.com>
>
> Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I
> can only imagine what his family is going thru. I
> lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that
> my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day
> of the accident. We were very comforted by the
> concerns of every other RVer. Even though some
> questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in
> mind that his family very well might might be
> reading all of these posts. In that case my heart
> goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it
> sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
> a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the
> aviation community.
>
> Kelby L Alexander
>
> --- davidfenster@comcast.net wrote:
>
> From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that
> is not what this
> list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and
> all.
> Here is a guy who had the experience to "know
> better" and still died.
> That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are
> talking about, but do
> not question his abilities as a pilot.
>
> Normally, I would just walk away from this
> discussion. This list tends
> to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I
> DID NOT want anyone
> to mess with HIS LEGACY.
>
> So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his
> experience and then post.
> Or even mine.....
>
> And, yes, you can taint his character with BS
> comments from
> inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms
> way.
>
>
> Terry Watson wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson"
> <terry@tcwatson.com>
> >
> > OK, I should know better by now, but I must
> disagree. I am with you right up
> > to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with
> Monday morning BS." There
> > is no way we can "taint this man's character," but
> we might be able to save
> > someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have
> happened. If you were a
> > USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into
> investigating and
> > discussing accidents for the express purpose of
> trying to prevent others
> > from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door
> on any discussion of an
> > accident that cost the life of such a competent
> pilot does a great
> > disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't
> help anyone's reputation.
> >
> > "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by
> learning from what cost him his
> > life.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield
> today
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> > <davidfenster@comcast.net>
> >
> > I agree w/goodwin.
> > It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying
> it/dealing with it.
> > Death while doing what a person loved is still
> death.
> > I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot).
> A 34 year old who left
> > a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is
> still dead and the
> > kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left
> a wife and 4 kids is
> > still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple.
> A pilot is dead. He
> > obviously thought conditions were acceptable.
> Weather changes fast -
> > especially when there is significant vertical
> development. Seen it -
> > been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans
> character with Monday
> > morning BS.
> >
> > Nuff said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander" <n41va@blazemail.com>
1 year after my Dad dies in our RV I asked my Mom to start flying lessons. I got
a HUGE "NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!!!!" Now, almost 7 years after the accident,
she is more than willing to pay for all of my ratings, Private, insturment, commercial,
multi. cfi, cfii and mei. There is always dangers in flying, but I
can look back and say my dad died doing something that he loved.
Kelby
--- truflite@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
The day after JFK Jr. died, I had a flying lesson. My
wife was having a Tupperware party and my mother was
there. She implored me not to go flying. I told her
the best thing to do would be to get in that plane and
fly. All the while keeping in mind that accidents
happen and knowledge gained from it could help save me
or someone else. Keep flying and always have your
eyes and mind open.
Dave
--- kelby alexander <n41va@blazemail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander"
> <n41va@blazemail.com>
>
> Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I
> can only imagine what his family is going thru. I
> lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that
> my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day
> of the accident. We were very comforted by the
> concerns of every other RVer. Even though some
> questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in
> mind that his family very well might might be
> reading all of these posts. In that case my heart
> goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it
> sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
> a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the
> aviation community.
>
> Kelby L Alexander
>
> --- davidfenster@comcast.net wrote:
>
> From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster@comcast.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield today
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
>
> OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that
> is not what this
> list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and
> all.
> Here is a guy who had the experience to "know
> better" and still died.
> That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are
> talking about, but do
> not question his abilities as a pilot.
>
> Normally, I would just walk away from this
> discussion. This list tends
> to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I
> DID NOT want anyone
> to mess with HIS LEGACY.
>
> So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his
> experience and then post.
> Or even mine.....
>
> And, yes, you can taint his character with BS
> comments from
> inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms
> way.
>
>
> Terry Watson wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson"
> <terry@tcwatson.com>
> >
> > OK, I should know better by now, but I must
> disagree. I am with you right up
> > to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with
> Monday morning BS." There
> > is no way we can "taint this man's character," but
> we might be able to save
> > someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have
> happened. If you were a
> > USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into
> investigating and
> > discussing accidents for the express purpose of
> trying to prevent others
> > from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door
> on any discussion of an
> > accident that cost the life of such a competent
> pilot does a great
> > disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't
> help anyone's reputation.
> >
> > "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by
> learning from what cost him his
> > life.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of David Fenstermacher
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:04 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: We lost Scott Crossfield
> today
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> > <davidfenster@comcast.net>
> >
> > I agree w/goodwin.
> > It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying
> it/dealing with it.
> > Death while doing what a person loved is still
> death.
> > I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot).
> A 34 year old who left
> > a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is
> still dead and the
> > kids/wife are still alone. An F-16 pilot who left
> a wife and 4 kids is
> > still dead. We are mourning - plain and simple.
> A pilot is dead. He
> > obviously thought conditions were acceptable.
> Weather changes fast -
> > especially when there is significant vertical
> development. Seen it -
> > been there. PLEASE - do not taint this mans
> character with Monday
> > morning BS.
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> > Nuff said.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
Brovo Bob !
rest in peace Scott and Eustace,
Dan -8
Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
I would like to interrupt the developing flame war just long enough to say
how much I admire the Greatest Generation. That includes, of course, Mr.
Crossfield.
When they came up with the phrase "he's got balls," it was for guys like him
and, frankly, thousands of men and women of his generation who are passing
from our lives every day.
I am always saddened, of course, when one passes. I look at my generation
(the Baby Boomers) and the one following it and I know we have not been or
acted worthy of what they handed over to us. And we could, never, ever
sacrifice in this day and age the way that one did. And that makes me sadder
still.
On the day of his death, I won't pollute his memory by thinking of anything
other than remembering him and his generation for what they gave me and this
country.
Will the circumstances of his death somehow help make me a better pilot. I
could not possibly care less. On this day, it's more important for me,
personally, to reflect on whether his life will help make me a better
person.
On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
Resume.
Bob Collins
St. Paul
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