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1. 01:19 AM - Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) ()
2. 01:54 AM - Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today (Kysh)
3. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (David Karlsberg)
4. 02:05 AM - AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (Mickey Coggins)
5. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (Dale Ensing)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call (N395V)
7. 05:36 AM - Sensitive reading of posts (Ron Lee)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call (Ed Anderson)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (Oliver Washburn)
10. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (bertrv6@highstream.net)
11. 07:23 AM - Re: Sensitive reading of posts (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
12. 07:59 AM - Parting out your homebuilt (was AOPA hates homebuilts?) (John Helms)
13. 08:32 AM - Re: Sensitive reading of posts (Dale Ensing)
14. 08:32 AM - Tolerating Different Points of View (was We lost Scott Crossfield today) (Rob Prior (rv7))
15. 09:08 AM - RV legend Eustace Bowhay dies (Konrad L. Werner)
16. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (Dan Morrow)
17. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call (Chris W)
18. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) (Joseph Larson)
19. 12:30 PM - Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Paul Besing)
20. 01:03 PM - Re: Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Bob J.)
21. 02:19 PM - Re: Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected (Paul Besing)
22. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call (Ed Anderson)
23. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call (Ed Anderson)
24. 03:36 PM - Re: AOA (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
25. 05:21 PM - Re: Eustace Bowhay (Konrad L. Werner)
26. 06:33 PM - Flying A Transporting is ready to take your order (kelby alexander)
27. 08:31 PM - Re: Performance Problem Analysis (dick martin)
28. 08:31 PM - Re: MT Props delay (dick martin)
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
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--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>Matt Dralle wrote:
>Its a good cause, though, if
>you value your right to fly in the US.
>Matt
I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
However I did recently hear that the "AOPA adviser" was claiming
homebuilts are such a liability that if you sell one you should part
it out. I just want to say there has NEVER been a lawsuit against
any builder. Absolutly NO legal precedence.
Sure we are liable for everything. Your dog bites someone you can
go to jail. However if you get a lawyer to draw up a liability release,
sometimes called a "hold harmless waiver", chance of lawsuit is
slim. If you knowingly did not put the spar bolts in, or some other
nonsense, yes you might have negligence problem. A safe RV,
built to plans, not likely to be a problem.
Again NEVER happened, no lawsuits and AOPA is WRONG
if this is their claim.
I would love someone else to write or ask the AOPA adviser the
same question.
Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
George
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| Subject: | Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org>
As ogoodwin@comcast.net was saying:
> --> RV-List message posted by: ogoodwin@comcast.net
>
> I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved"
> haven't been close to doing so.
I composed and deleted several replies to this and several other replies on
this thread.
I finally came to the conclusion that this list really doesn't tolerate
differing points of view, and indeed those on this list act as if threatened
by them.
Thus after many years, I am unsubscribing. If I build an RV in the
future, I will strictly make use of the archives.
All the best,
-Kysh
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--
ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
~~ To fly is to truly live
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
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--> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
I don't know what stances AOPA takes on homebuilts. But they have a great
flight planning software free for members. I use it before most of my
x-countries. The magazine is sometimes handy when you need to start a fire
in a fireplace.
David Karlsberg
rv7 emp done! Waiting on wings
LA CA
AOPA and EAA member.
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On 4/21/06 1:05 AM, "gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com" <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>> Matt Dralle wrote:
>> Its a good cause, though, if
>> you value your right to fly in the US.
>> Matt
>
> I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
>
> However I did recently hear that the "AOPA adviser" was claiming
> homebuilts are such a liability that if you sell one you should part
> it out. I just want to say there has NEVER been a lawsuit against
> any builder. Absolutly NO legal precedence.
>
> Sure we are liable for everything. Your dog bites someone you can
> go to jail. However if you get a lawyer to draw up a liability release,
> sometimes called a "hold harmless waiver", chance of lawsuit is
> slim. If you knowingly did not put the spar bolts in, or some other
> nonsense, yes you might have negligence problem. A safe RV,
> built to plans, not likely to be a problem.
>
> Again NEVER happened, no lawsuits and AOPA is WRONG
> if this is their claim.
>
> I would love someone else to write or ask the AOPA adviser the
> same question.
>
> Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
> because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
> and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
> corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
> us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
> but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
> about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
>
> George
>
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| Subject: | AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone calls) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
> because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
> and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
> corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
> us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
> but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
> about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
I think that if there were no AOPA, or a similar organization,
our right to fly our GA aircraft would be severely curtailed,
or eliminated. I think their dues are a bargain, for what they
provide us. They're not perfect, but who or what is?
They say they have over 400,000 members, which is excellent.
Anyone know what percentage are flying or building homebuilt
aircraft? I'd guess it's pretty small, say 20,000(?)
They've got to keep as many of their members as happy as possible
with their magazine and expos.
Defending the right to fly is the one thing that is common
amongst us all, whether we are flying a homebuilt or a
personal jet. We all need to stand together to defend our
freedom and liberty. I'm not worried about a "terrorist" taking
my freedom and liberty, I'm worried about my government doing it!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
"Just read their magazine. It is like a
corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
but it is better than nothing I guess."
Have you read the EAA magazine lately?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone call |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
There are many things I do not like about the aopa.
1. Every publication, web page etc is filled with 50% content of "Phil Boyer says"
Phil Boyer does" etc. I think there is a rule that every simple sentence must
mention Phil Boyer 7 times.
2. Unsolicited phone calls during the evening as mentioned some peskier than others.
3. Their seeming lack of support for experimentals.
Having said all that they will continue to recieve my support as they do a good
service for all of us.
An entities 1st responsability is to survive and a good way to do this is cater
to your sponsors.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29829#29829
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| Subject: | Sensitive reading of posts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>I finally came to the conclusion that this list really doesn't tolerate
>differing points of view, and indeed those on this list act as if threatened
>by them.
>
>Thus after many years, I am unsubscribing. If I build an RV in the
>future, I will strictly make use of the archives.
Not sure what you mean by this. Different opinions on this on other
subjects is normal. It will pass as do most topics.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
call
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I once offered to write an article for AOPA on the use of alternative
engines in aircraft - absolutely no interest, said their readership was not
interested - which clearly pointed out that I for one did not belong in an
organization that had no interest in my interest.
EAA has certainly slipped far down the Commercial slope and should really
changed its name from the EAA or at least take the "E" out. Having said
that, I support it simply because I do believe that without the EAA and AOPA
our freedom to fly would have been even more seriously curtailed ( than has
occurred).
I do feel we must all be vigilant against the FAA's attempt to levy "users
fees". We paid taxes to support the government and its agencies, we should
not be taxed again simply to compensate for bureaucratic inefficiency and
mismanagement. Look at Canada and take heed.
my 0.02 worth
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation
phone call
> --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> There are many things I do not like about the aopa.
>
> 1. Every publication, web page etc is filled with 50% content of "Phil
> Boyer says" Phil Boyer does" etc. I think there is a rule that every
> simple sentence must mention Phil Boyer 7 times.
>
> 2. Unsolicited phone calls during the evening as mentioned some peskier
> than others.
>
> 3. Their seeming lack of support for experimentals.
>
> Having said all that they will continue to recieve my support as they do a
> good service for all of us.
>
> An entities 1st responsability is to survive and a good way to do this is
> cater to your sponsors.
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29829#29829
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
calls)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:05 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation
phone calls)
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>>Matt Dralle wrote:
>>Its a good cause, though, if
>>you value your right to fly in the US.
> >Matt
>
> I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
>
> All I can say is if it wasn't for AOPA and EAA you would not be enjoying
> as much freedom for flying as you have today, and anyone who dosen't
> support them in my estimation dosen't care about freedom of flight. It
> seems like everyday the TSA or some other organisation trys to grabe a
> little more of our freedom.
Ollie 6a Central Fl
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation phone |
calls)
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> >Matt Dralle wrote:
> >Its a good cause, though, if
> >you value your right to fly in the US.
> >Matt
>
> I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
>
> However I did recently hear that the "AOPA adviser" was claiming
> homebuilts are such a liability that if you sell one you should part
> it out. I just want to say there has NEVER been a lawsuit against
> any builder. Absolutly NO legal precedence.
>
> Sure we are liable for everything. Your dog bites someone you can
> go to jail. However if you get a lawyer to draw up a liability release,
> sometimes called a "hold harmless waiver", chance of lawsuit is
> slim. If you knowingly did not put the spar bolts in, or some other
> nonsense, yes you might have negligence problem. A safe RV,
> built to plans, not likely to be a problem.
>
> Again NEVER happened, no lawsuits and AOPA is WRONG
> if this is their claim.
>
> I would love someone else to write or ask the AOPA adviser the
> same question.
>
> Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
> because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
> and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
> corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
> us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
> but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
> about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
>
> George
>
> George: whoever you are; I have been a member of AOPA for ever , at least
40 years..
There is not any one that admits, AOPA,is the only organization that do
so much for General Aviation, No one, and we Experimental, are part of that..
Aopa has the clout in Washington, do change things. I do not have to
tell you the number of things they accomplish, for us....
The magazine, yes, it is not "Experimental" per se....why, because,
the market is saturated with dozens, or such magazines... what would be the
purpose of adding to the already fillled segment...?
I am subscribed, to three of this,, Custom Planes, Kit Planes, and Pilot
magazine, in addition to EAA, which I am also member since I started flying.
I wish you have named the person, that told you, about experimental no good...
I have talked thru the years, with many of them...no once they ever even
suggested, Experimental aircraft was unsafe, only the builders are unsafe...
OH< by th way George,,,just this alone, makes my case...I recently got
my medical Certificate back,,,,and only because AOPA.... ENOUGH SAID..
Bert
rv6a
Do nopt archive
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sensitive reading of posts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>
>>I finally came to the conclusion that this list really doesn't tolerate
>>differing points of view, and indeed those on this list act as if threatened
>>by them.
>>
>>Thus after many years, I am unsubscribing. If I build an RV in the
>>future, I will strictly make use of the archives.
>>
Kysh.... There are different points of view, but that doesnt mean "the
List" won't tolerate them. The "list" is just a bunch of faceless,
unknown typwriters somewhere off in the distance. Each of these
typewriters (ok I'll say computers) has a personality (person) connected
to it..
Keep in mind that for each posting, there may be 200 or 300 readers
(lurkers) who read the post, agreed with it, and did not replay.
We as pilots quite often don't agree with each other, but we should
still stick together. We need to get as connected as firemen and COP's
for our own survival. Those two groups have real fraternity. I'm sure
they have disagreements, but they stick together. We as pilots tend to
have "high" ego's. Whatever we have, we need to stick together, stop
snitching on one another and become a Fraternity......
Flame me, I got skin that is 66 years old and tough as sandpaper...
Phil in Illinois Oh, I met Linn Walters at the
Curtis Pitts memorial in Sun and Fun. Now, he is not a faceless computer
any more.......... Real fine person... Helpful and full of good
answers...
"Pitts" driver too....... that make him "special"........
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| Subject: | Parting out your homebuilt (was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Helms" <jhelms@nationair.com>
In my professional opinion, parting it out doesn't get you what you're
after. It merely spreads the risk around. If you sell the wings to one
individual, he/she puts them on their plane and they fail, you might be sued
over that. They may not win, but they can always sue. Same for the engine,
fuselage, etc, etc.
Hold harmless agreements might be useful. I'll allow attorney's to discuss
that.
In my humble opinion, the very best thing that a seller can do to alleviate
the amount of liability any type of airplane owner has when selling a plane
is to is have a third party do an annual on the plane as the pre-buy
inspection. That way, a third party has signed his name to attest that the
plane is airworthy.
Lawsuits after an airplane has been sold happen. There just has not yet
been one for what you all are discussing (poor building). If a person buys
a plane (production or experimental) and the engine quits shortly after the
purchase, whether someone is hurt in the subsequent landing/crash there will
very likely be a lawsuit against the former owner for poorly maintaining the
plane.
As the builder of an experimental aircraft, one is always likely to have
some risk of being sued, but the longer that the plane has been successfully
flown (by both you when you owned it, and after it was sold) the harder that
is going to be to win for someone claiming it was "built poorly" because "if
it was built so poorly then why did it successfully fly XXXX hours?"
John "JT" Helms
Branch Manager, NationAir Insurance Agency, Light Aircraft Office.
In response to:
I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
However I did recently hear that the "AOPA adviser" was claiming
homebuilts are such a liability that if you sell one you should part
it out. I just want to say there has NEVER been a lawsuit against
any builder. Absolutly NO legal precedence.
Sure we are liable for everything. Your dog bites someone you can
go to jail. However if you get a lawyer to draw up a liability release,
sometimes called a "hold harmless waiver", chance of lawsuit is
slim. If you knowingly did not put the spar bolts in, or some other
nonsense, yes you might have negligence problem. A safe RV,
built to plans, not likely to be a problem.
Again NEVER happened, no lawsuits and AOPA is WRONG
if this is their claim.
I would love someone else to write or ask the AOPA adviser the
same question.
Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
George
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Well said! ...Phil in Illinois
Dale in NC
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| Subject: | We lost Scott Crossfield |
today)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 1:51:19 2006-04-21 Kysh <vans-dragon@lapdragon.org> wrote:
> I finally came to the conclusion that this list really doesn't
> tolerate differing points of view, and indeed those on this list act
> as if threatened by them.
Actually, the very fact that you can read so many different opinions is
testament to the fact that the list does "tolerate" all points of view.
Sure, there are some people with strong opinions (myself included, at
times), and they'll be happy to show you where they differ from yours. But
if you don't agree, you can just as easily hit "delete".
> ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi -- STOC #5943
> CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi
> ~~ To fly is to truly live
I think that should say "To ride is to truly live", or you need to add some
airplanes to that list... :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | RV legend Eustace Bowhay dies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear RV'ers,
We lost another legendary Aviator this week, Mr. Eustace Bowhay.
RV legend Eustace Bowhay dies.
Eustace died Tuesday of apparent complications from a stroke. "He joined the RV
ranks in the 1990s by building C-HAY, a 180 hp RV-6 which he flew on wheels,
floats and amphibious floats. In the RV community he found many low time pilots
venturing into the world of relatively high performance and became their mentor.
At the factory, Van=92s people learned to listen carefully to the tall, white
haired, slightly deaf Canadian fellow with the suspenders. There was a little
=93eh?=94 and a little =93oot=94 in his speech, as well as a whole lot of
humanity, wisdom and humor," wrote Doug Reeves in a recent tribute (More)
My hat is off to the Giant. Have a grand journey!
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
"Never" is a big word. I can think of two lawsuits against builders just
from casual reading of the news in the last few years.
Lawsuit 1: In the John Denver crash, the newspapers reported that Denver's
relatives sued several people including the builder. I don't know the
outcome however.
Lawsuit 2: This one was somewhat complicated involving several sales and
owners.
Step 1: Individual A builds aircraft and flies for several years. Sells
aircraft to individual B.
Step 2: B flies aircraft for several years and then sells aircraft to
individual C.
Step 3: C flies aircraft for several years. Then one day he takes a
friend's wife for a ride and performs low level aerobatics in view of the
husband. Crashes killing himself and friend's wife.
Step 4: Husband sues individual A.
Step 5: Individual A sues B. I don't know the outcome of the lawsuits.
Homebuilders can be sued and are sued on liability issues. Three factors
seem to limit the number of lawsuits however. One is that juries tend to be
sceptical of claims from anyone who knowingly flies in a homebuilt aircraft.
The second is that most builders don't have the big bucks to attract big
name tort lawyers. The third is that the builder often dies in the accident
and his family has no reason to sue.
Lawsuits are a something to worry about. Even if you win the lawsuit the
legal fees can be devastating. Avemco at one point offered converage for a
year or two after the sale of a homebuilt, but I don't know if they still
do.
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:05 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation
phone calls)
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>>Matt Dralle wrote:
>>Its a good cause, though, if
>>you value your right to fly in the US.
> >Matt
>
> I was once a AOPA guy 20 years ago but quit for several reasons.
>
> However I did recently hear that the "AOPA adviser" was claiming
> homebuilts are such a liability that if you sell one you should part
> it out. I just want to say there has NEVER been a lawsuit against
> any builder. Absolutly NO legal precedence.
>
> Sure we are liable for everything. Your dog bites someone you can
> go to jail. However if you get a lawyer to draw up a liability release,
> sometimes called a "hold harmless waiver", chance of lawsuit is
> slim. If you knowingly did not put the spar bolts in, or some other
> nonsense, yes you might have negligence problem. A safe RV,
> built to plans, not likely to be a problem.
>
> Again NEVER happened, no lawsuits and AOPA is WRONG
> if this is their claim.
>
> I would love someone else to write or ask the AOPA adviser the
> same question.
>
> Any way I don't think AOPA supports Kit planes or homebuilts
> because it is counter to there main customers aircraft manufactures
> and corporate operators. Just read their magazine. It is like a
> corporate aviation magazine. Not saying they don't do good for all of
> us, I am just saying that they are somewhat impotent or ineffective,
> but it is better than nothing I guess. After 10 years I dropped them
> about 10 years ago. They sent me crap for years trying to get me back.
>
> George
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Ed Anderson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>I once offered to write an article for AOPA on the use of alternative
>engines in aircraft - absolutely no interest, said their readership was not
>interested - which clearly pointed out that I for one did not belong in an
>organization that had no interest in my interest.
>
>
So I guess you have no interest in being a private pilot and actually
having the right to fly in the USA.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
Personally, I feel that anyone should be allowed to assume
responsibility for any risk they choose. That is, if I buy a
homebuilt, I should be able to assume the responsibility for making
sure the homebuilt is safe to fly. If the plane proves to be unsafe,
then any crash is my fault, not that of the actual builder.
The caveat is that I should have ample opportunity and reason to
verify safety. If I give a ride in my purchased homebuilt, it's not
reasonable to expect the person taking the ride to hire a mechanic to
first check out my plane. Thus, that person should hold me
responsible. However, because I assumed responsibility, then the
original builder should be free and clear.
I know this isn't how it currently works. But it's how it SHOULD work.
Write your congress people. They have the power to change the system.
-Joe
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| Subject: | Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Pardon my ignorance on fuel injections, but here's how
the routing goes:
Fuel out of the firewall to servo. (I'm assuming the
servo is where the mixture cable plugs into)
There are two lines that go from the servo the to the
divider (the thing on the sump where a carb would go,
and where the spider is..the spider is on the bottom
of my engine, not on the top like most). One fuel
line to the left side, and one to the right (or from
one side, as a return)
Then there is a third line out of the servo back to
the fuel selector or tee that fills the left tank.
Not sure of the make..there is a data tag on it that I
briefly read the other day but it wasn't anything
familiar.
There is a fuel pressure transducer from the original
installation on one of the lines from the servo to the
divider, so I'm assuming that's where I'll put my fuel flow.
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| Subject: | Re: Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com>
Yep...this is not a bendix system, and the name eludes me right now. I have
seen it before and and the spider and lines are on the bottom side as you
describe. I have service instructions for this type of system, if I look it
up in my foot thick stack of Lycoming service instructions I should be able
to tell you what it is tonight....
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
On 4/21/06, Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> Pardon my ignorance on fuel injections, but here's how
> the routing goes:
>
> Fuel out of the firewall to servo. (I'm assuming the
> servo is where the mixture cable plugs into)
>
> There are two lines that go from the servo the to the
> divider (the thing on the sump where a carb would go,
> and where the spider is..the spider is on the bottom
> of my engine, not on the top like most). One fuel
> line to the left side, and one to the right (or from
> one side, as a return)
>
> Then there is a third line out of the servo back to
> the fuel selector or tee that fills the left tank.
> Not sure of the make..there is a data tag on it that I
> briefly read the other day but it wasn't anything
> familiar.
>
> There is a fuel pressure transducer from the original
> installation on one of the lines from the servo to the
> divider, so I'm assuming that's where I'll put my fuel flow.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Update: Fuel Flow Transducer-Injected |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Thanks, Bob. Yeah, it's definately not a bendix
system, but it works very well...never any vapor lock
and starts on the first blade every time, after 16
years of service and 800 hours. Can't find anyting in
the logbook regarding maintenance issues.
Paul Besing
--- "Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob J."
> <rocketbob@gmail.com>
>
> Yep...this is not a bendix system, and the name
> eludes me right now. I have
> seen it before and and the spider and lines are on
> the bottom side as you
> describe. I have service instructions for this type
> of system, if I look it
> up in my foot thick stack of Lycoming service
> instructions I should be able
> to tell you what it is tonight....
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
>
>
> On 4/21/06, Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Pardon my ignorance on fuel injections, but here's
> how
> > the routing goes:
> >
> > Fuel out of the firewall to servo. (I'm assuming
> the
> > servo is where the mixture cable plugs into)
> >
> > There are two lines that go from the servo the to
> the
> > divider (the thing on the sump where a carb would
> go,
> > and where the spider is..the spider is on the
> bottom
> > of my engine, not on the top like most). One fuel
> > line to the left side, and one to the right (or
> from
> > one side, as a return)
> >
> > Then there is a third line out of the servo back
> to
> > the fuel selector or tee that fills the left tank.
> > Not sure of the make..there is a data tag on it
> that I
> > briefly read the other day but it wasn't anything
> > familiar.
> >
> > There is a fuel pressure transducer from the
> original
> > installation on one of the lines from the servo to
> the
> > divider, so I'm assuming that's where I'll put my
> fuel flow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <3edcft6@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation
phone call
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>I once offered to write an article for AOPA on the use of alternative
>>engines in aircraft - absolutely no interest, said their readership was
>>not
>>interested - which clearly pointed out that I for one did not belong in an
>>organization that had no interest in my interest.
>>
>>
>
> So I guess you have no interest in being a private pilot and actually
> having the right to fly in the USA.
>
> --
> Chris W
Actually, Chris, you apparently failed to read my complete message in which
I also stated
" ..... Having said that, I support it simply because I do believe that
without the EAA and AOPA
our freedom to fly would have been even more seriously curtailed ( than has
occurred)...."
Ed A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris W" <3edcft6@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AOPA hates homebuilts? (was donation-solicitation
phone call
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>I once offered to write an article for AOPA on the use of alternative
>>engines in aircraft - absolutely no interest, said their readership was
>>not
>>interested - which clearly pointed out that I for one did not belong in an
>>organization that had no interest in my interest.
>>
>>
>
> So I guess you have no interest in being a private pilot and actually
> having the right to fly in the USA.
>
> --
> Chris W
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
. I am not a big AOA fan
(despite hundreds of hours with them)
Jim Van Laak
RV-6 N79RL
Jim: I am interested in your comment about AOA's. Some have suggested I
invest in one but I'm doubtful. Would you amplify on the subject, please?
Reply off list if you like.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: Eustace Bowhay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
To Eustace: May you rest in Peace and fly on forever
[Ed. This news hurts. The text below appears in this site's Safety section and was written several months back. Eustace was kind enough to host RVTalk #17. He passed away on Tuesday, apparently of complications from a stroke. The RV community has lost one of its giants and our hearts go out to the Bowhay family and friends. By Doug Reeves of www.vansairforce.com]
This is for those of you that have never met him, but it is also for the one's
that did have the priviledge . . . .
"For RV pilots and builders who have never had the opportunity to meet Eustace
Bowhay, here=92s a little background.
Eustace is one of the few people around who=92ve accumulated over 20,000 hours
of flying time without ever having a military or airline career. He spans aviation
from before WW2 to the present day. His first flight, as a boy of 10 or 11,
was in a Gypsy Moth over his native Saskatchewan.
It=92s a great story...Eustace and his mother lived on a farm outside of town,
and every weekend the weather permitted they=92d go into the city for supplies
and a bit of recreation. He would spend part of his Saturday morning at piano
lessons. Nothing in this world was going to make a pianist out of Eustace, but
he went to please his mother and because she gave him a quarter so he could
go to the movies after his lesson.
Eustace soon discovered that the airport on the edge of town was far more interesting
to him than any movie, so after his lesson he=92d go down and hang on the
fence until it was time to go, just hoping to see an airplane fly. He=92d time
it carefully so he could run back to town and meet his mother at the theatre...he
knew she=92d never approve of something so dangerous as flying!
After a few weeks of this, one of the local pilots on the other side of the fence
motioned him over to a hangar and opened the back door. Completely awestruck,
Eustace stepped through the door and into what was to become his world for
a lifetime.
In the hangar was a brand new Staggerwing, painted royal blue. Out in front, a
pilot who needed to warm the oil in his Moth invited Eustace to occupy the front
cockpit. Stricken to silence by his good fortune, Eustace pulled on a leather
helmet and goggles and held on as the upright Gypsy engine rattled the Moth
into the air. They flew out over the prairie and over Eustace=92s home. When
they returned, Eustace realized he was late meeting his mother and dashed into
town, maintaining a minimum altitude of about six inches the whole way. Without
comment, he climbed into the car and home they went.
At the dinner table that evening, his uncle casually mentioned that an airplane
had circled the farm several times earlier in the day. Did Eustace know anything
about that? Oh, no, Eustace said. He=92d been at piano lessons and the movies
the whole day. Everyone at the table broke into laughter. When his mother
handed him a mirror he saw why: the Gypsy had been spraying a fine mist back over
the fuselage for the entire flight and the oily outline of the helmet and
goggles was clearly printed on his face. He looked like a surprised raccoon.
When Eustace tells this story, the memories of that day - more than seventy years
ago now - are printed on his face as plainly as the outline of those goggles.
He still remembers the smell of the paint and dope on the Staggerwing and the
exhilaration of banking and seeing his home between the flying wires of the
Moth.
After that came flying and more flying. Eustace instructed thousands of students
in the RCAF, some of whom died in combat just weeks later - he=92s never fully
accepted that waste and a bit of grief is with him still. After the war he
instructed thousands more, as well as flying Navions and Aeronca Champs and God
knows what else away from the factories and back to Canada.
Supported by his wife Nora, he formed his own company, providing charter air service
all over the Canada and the Northern Territories. He flew and flew; in Aztec,
in Cessnas, in Beavers and Otters. He acquired a P-51 from the Canadian
government and flew it all over the country keeping an eye on his operations.
He owned and flew a DC-3 for many years. He=92s got 9000+ hours of water operation...1000
hours of it in a Grumman Goose. He=92s landed parts of a bulldozer
on the edge of the Arctic Ocean in a Beech 18, helped weld the machine back together
and build a landing strip and watched the bulldozer leave, intact, in
the hold of a Hercules that flew into the strip to retrieve it.
And all the while, one of his primary concerns was keeping other pilots safe. He
preached, cajoled, and extolled safe flying at every opportunity, bringing his
vast experience to bear and distilling it to benefit the newest of pilots.
We will never know just how many pilots are alive (and airplanes unbroken) because
Eustace had a word with them, planting some seed of care and awareness that
allowed them to avoid danger.
He joined the RV ranks in the 1990s by building C-HAY, a 180 hp RV-6 which he flew
on wheels, floats and amphibious floats. In the RV community he found many
low time pilots venturing into the world of relatively high performance and became
their mentor. At the factory, Van=92s people learned to listen carefully
to the tall, white haired, slightly deaf Canadian fellow with the suspenders.
There was a little "eh?" and a little "oot" in his speech, as well as a whole
lot of humanity, wisdom and humor.
Eustace and Nora have been to many of Van=92s Homecomings and many RV pilots have
met and talked with them. If you=92ve ever had a chance to sit and talk with
them, you=92ll have realized that you were in the presence of truly fine people
Now recovering from a stroke in his hometown of Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Eustace
is still pursuing his passion for helping pilots fly safely and skillfully.
It is our incredibly good fortune that he's part of the RV world and that
modern technology allows us to essentially sit around the campfire and listen
to him pass on knowledge gained over a career that has spanned 70% of powered
aviation.
Don=92t miss the chance - there aren=92t many like him. Heck, there aren=92t any
like him. Eustace is one of a kind."
Arrangements (from a Ken Hoshowski email fwd'd to me)
Just to let you know that the service gathering for Eustace will be this Saturday
at 1:30 at Fischer's Funeral Services, 4060 1st. Ave S.W.
Salmon Arm.
Toll free phone 1-888-816-1117 This is going to be a tea only, a celebration of
life service will be held at a later date in Eustace's home town in Alberta.
Eustace's wife's name is Nora and the home address is
#6-350 Hudson St.
N.W, Salmon Arm B.C., V1E1P4,
phone 250 832-3273.
That is about all I can tell (you) for now.
Ken Hoshowski
RV6 C-FKEH
Salmon Arm B.C.
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| Subject: | Flying A Transporting is ready to take your order |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kelby alexander" <n41va@blazemail.com>
Here it is! "Flying A Transporting" will be taking reservations for May and the
months to follow to deliver your QB or Standard Kits. The trailer has arrived,
the truck is days from being here. Insurance, permits and all liscences are
all in order finally. I will be advertising on this site in a month or so, so
keep your eyes open for that as well and I will post a link for my new web site
soon.
Email me at rvshipper@blazemail.com for a price quote. The first 5 customers will
receive a FREE headset or a Gift Certificate to Sportys Pilot Shop for the
value of the headset.
I am a Liscenced, Bonded and Insured Tranporting Company. And I am personally going
to be driving the truck and trailer with your kit in it. So I can do it at
a better price than ANYBODY else because I dont have to pay any drivers, Guaranteed!
Kelby L. Alexander
"Flying A Transporting"
541.550.0689
Fight the power! BlazeMail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Performance Problem Analysis |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dave,
I have an RV8 with a James Cowl and plenum and a IO-390 engine. I believe
that it contributes and average speed increase of 10 knots over a standard
Vans cowl. I have over 1300 hours with this set up. I have also talked to
as many others with this set up as possible, and the general consensus is
the same as mine. Also, cooling problems are usually not a problem with
this cowl.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burden" <hootsnik@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: RV-List: Performance Problem Analysis
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Burden <hootsnik@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I am working through a performance issue and need some help. I need to
> find some folks who have flying aircraft with the following combination of
> features:
>
> Flying RV7a or 9a
> Carburated 180 hp 0360 (Superior/ECI/Lyc)
> Sam James Cowl/plenum/induction system
> Fixed pitch propellor
>
> The intent is to compare some data and discuss any install challenges you
> may have had to overcome with this, apparently rare combination.
>
> Please respond off list to:
>
> hootsnik@sbcglobal.net
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MT Props delay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Steve,
Suggest you consider a Aero Composites carbon fiber prop. It we be on
average 10 knots faster, same weight, has lightning protection, is
considerably stronger etc. ad infinitum. Also more expensive, but worth it.
Delivery is usually 70 to 90 days.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: RV-List: MT Props delay
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> Anybody know a faster way to get a MT Prop?
>
> Van's (MTs) wait time is currently 16 weeks.
>
> Looking for 2 blade, hydraulic. MTV15B/183-109
>
> Steve
> RV7A
>
>
>
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