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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Sherman Butler)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) (Paul Trotter)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Garrett Bray)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) (Marty)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: Datapoint for Fairings Speed Improvement (Jerry Grimmonpre)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Medical in trouble (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
8. 06:37 AM - (marknlisa@hometel.com)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Chuck Jensen)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: Medical in trouble (Szantho B. Szantho)
12. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
13. 08:12 AM - Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
14. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Tim Bryan)
15. 12:11 PM - The Fourth Annual Rebel's Bluff Fly-In (Frazier, Vincent A)
16. 12:32 PM - Re: (Kelly McMullen)
17. 01:21 PM - Re: Medical in trouble (Szantho B. Szantho)
18. 01:29 PM - New fuel valve handle (Cleaveland Aircraft Tool)
19. 03:00 PM - Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) ()
20. 03:34 PM - Re: Interpreting Aileron Position (DAVID REEL)
21. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) (Tim Bryan)
22. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (charles heathco)
23. 06:57 PM - Re: Datapoint for Fairings Speed Improvement (dick martin)
24. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) (Vanremog@aol.com)
25. 09:24 PM - Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Who would support a candidate that wants the FAA to be removed from 3rd class medicals.
So much is clincal evaluation that the FAA will second guess.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Van's seems to have taken the liability issue to heart as well. I sent in
my license agreement and they responded by sending me back a liability
release form that they say they require as of 3/1/06. The normal statement
that aircraft are dangerous, etc. etc. Pretty standard boilerplate language
and states that I am signing this release on behalf of just about anyone I
might know.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fenstermacher" <davidfenster@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?)
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Fenstermacher
> <davidfenster@comcast.net>
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> Anyone ever been to divorce court?
> Anything can happen when a third person (da' Judge) is involved.
> Just because it has never happened doesn't mean you won't set the
> precedent........
> I love me aeroplane - it don't complain about me not workin' it.
>
> Please DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Steve Glasgow wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
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>> Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean that it
>> can't happen tomorrow. Witness 9/11.
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>> Steve Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Garrett Bray" <braygarrett@hotmail.com>
Make sure you don't try to get your medical renewed and are denied. You then
can not fly sport pilot rules until you get the reason for the denial
resolved with the FAA. I am taking meds that would preclude me from passing
a medical, but I haven't gone to renew mine. If I decide to fly certified
aircraft in the future I will be able to at least fly sport pilot rules.
Good luck.
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| Subject: | Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Isn't this about the same time frame as the fuel tank SB was issued?
Inquiring minds...
Marty
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Van's seems to have taken the liability issue to heart as well. I sent in
my license agreement and they responded by sending me back a liability
release form that they say they require as of 3/1/06. The normal statement
that aircraft are dangerous, etc. etc. Pretty standard boilerplate language
and states that I am signing this release on behalf of just about anyone I
might know.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Datapoint for Fairings Speed Improvement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Dick ...
Can you expand on the description starting with:
As a general statement, the upper gear to fuse fairing will be
> more efficient when it has a lead is between 1 and 2 inchs long with a
> long
> ,narrow taper to the gear leg.
Pictures would be good if you have them.
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
> --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
>
> Mark,
> Welcome to the world of faster airplanes. A giant engine helps, but a
> CLEAN, LIGHT airplane always wins the speed contests. I have an RV8 and
> during my initial testing, I experimented with various gear leg to
> fuselage
> fairings and found that a considerable speed increase is available at this
> junction. An easy way to test the efficiency of the fairing is to spray
> some waste oil on the fuselage in the area where the landing gear attachs,
> and then go up an fly the airplane. If the fairing is efficient, you will
> see perfectly shaped oil lines on the side of the fuselage depicting the
> airflow (just like the pictures in the technical magazines). If the flow
> lines are erattic, you know you need to try some variations in shape of
> the
> fairing. As a general statement, the upper gear to fuse fairing will be
> more efficient when it has a lead is between 1 and 2 inchs long with a
> long
> ,narrow taper to the gear leg. A side note: some RV8s experience a
> sliight
> tail shudder when stall landing. If the above fairing is correct, the
> tail
> shudder disappears.
> Good luck with your project and hope to see you and others in the Air
> Venture Races.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I had a small artery with 'estimated' 60% blockage - FAA allows 50%. The
cardiologist's letter stated that I wasn't likely to be incapicitated. FAA
didn't even consider that ??
I have been driving my class 8 diesel tractor,riding our Goldwing motorcycle
and anything else I would normally do. I had done the 40 hours
testing(Including +4 & -3.5 aerobatic tests) on the RV-4 and was flying just fine
until
my medical was expiring. I appealed the decision and was denied again.
The RV-4 will be sold and more time will be spent motorcycling - I'll see if
I can wear out a Goldwing !!
Keep flying guys - while you can and Good luck.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
This is a touchy subject for me as I am going through much the same thing. A lot
of folks have suggested to me that I lie to the FAA and try to squeeze through
a medical.... but let me ask you this. I have bouts of vertigo (Meniere's Disease).
Do you really want me flying formation with you?
Look, I get the whole "big bad federal government" thing, but the first step any
pilot should consider when getting this news isn't "how can I fool the federal
government and keep flying, " it's : am I safe to fly? Would I put my kids
in the back seat and my wife in the front and launch?
If you're not sure, then you already know the answer. Alternately, this is a
long discussion you can and should have with your doctor (but definintely not
your AME).
Not telling the FAA is a silly suggestion -- imho -- because you've already told
the person responsible for making the decision. You. Your medical records are
on file, your prescriptions can be traced. and your insurance isn't going to
pay for your careening into a schoolyard if it's determined you flew with a
known disqualifying condition. And LSA was never meant to allow you to either.
Can you get away with it? Maybe. Lots of folks will tell you you can. And you might
even be able to rationalize it by telling yourself you're just striking a
blow for pilot's freedom; that's it's really not about flying safely. But let's
dig a little deeper. Where do you draw the line? An epileptic seizure? A
debilitating bout of vertigo? Narcolepsy?
Would you get into a plane as a passenger with one control stick and a pilot with
no license and no training? Why not? They're just exercising their freedom.
I'm with you. I probably will never fly again and there's nothing right now more
depressing than that. I'm searching for ways to do so, but lying and breaking
the law isn't an option for me. Why? Because if I do, I can never again look
in the mirror and say I'm a responsible pilot. I can never advocate for us to
fly safer and fly smarter and lead by example. And those are important to me.
I can try to kid myself and say it's just me striking a blow against the bureacracy.
Except for one thing. I know that it's not safe for me to fly. And I know
it's not safe for YOU for me to fly.
I can read the FAR as well as anyone and I can see I have a disqualifying condition.
I KNOW that I'm required to ground myself and I KNOW I'm required to tell
the FAA...not at my next medical. Right now.
Do I like it? Hell no. It changes the entire rest of my life, including big plans
for how my wife and I were to spend our retirement. But that's what being an
adult is about in this world. Making sound decisions.
So what do I recommend? I can't tell you what to do. I can only tell you what
I'm doing. I'm going to keep building, and I may accelerate my building, basically
for the same reason someone else posted: I finished plane is worth more
than an unfinished one. If I'm never going to fly it but sell it when it's done...I
can load more goodies into it, because I won't have to pay for it. Someone
else will.
In the meantime, I'm not giving up. I'm still going to investigate what alternatives
are out there -- medically speaking -- that might allow me to one day fly
again. But I'm not going to count on it. And I'm not going to risk anyone's
life -- including my own -- or leave my estate stuck with a $1 million dollar
payout because I wanted to fly illegally.
One of the reasons I started the RV Builder's Hotline, is it's one way to still
be a part of the RV community, even though I probably won't have an RV. That's
why I'll probably build another RV when this one is done. Maybe folks will
stop when they're flying via Minnesota and give me a ride in THEIR RV sometime.
Hey, it's not the way I thought things were going to work out, but that's still
a hell of a lot better than 99% of the people on this planet.
We homebulders build becaue we love challenges. Well...now I've got one. And you've
got one too. Meet it the same way you approach meeting the building challenge
-- like a professional.
YMMV.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30824#30824
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Cc: jszantho@gmail.com
--> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
John,
Please, please, please listen to the good advice from the group and finish
your project. You'll never forgive yourself if you don't build that -9
and see it fly, especially after all the hard work you've invested. The
worst-case is you can't renew your FAA medical and someone has to fly with
you. There are two individuals in my area in that situation and they fly
regularly -- all they need is a qualified pilot to ride along and log the
time. Somehow they never seem to have trouble finding a volunteer, even
on short notice!
Definitely contact AOPA for help with your medical issue vis-a-vis the
FAA. You might be surprised what you can get waived if you follow the
right procedure. AOPA has been helping folks with these problems for a
long time and they have a staff of experts for just that purpose. If it
turns out that you and AOPA feel that your medical condition will never
pass FAA muster, then DON'T APPLY, REPEAT, DON'T APPLY! Once medically
disqualified for a Private Certificate you can't get a Sport Pilot
Certificate either. Proceed cautiously!
Again, please reconsider your decision to sell your unfinished kit. One
of the first major symptoms of depression is cessation of activities that
one loves and brings one pleasure -- YOU CAN BEAT THIS! Nothing will help
you feel better than seeing that -9 flying, and knowing that YOU finished
it!
Hoping you stick it out,
Mark Sletten
Legacy FG N828LM
http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
Recently I was prescribed a medication that will prevent me from acting as
PIC. Unfortunately this will have to be a lifetime commitment. I am building
a RV9-A and I am approximately 8-10 month from finishing the project. You
probably understand the total devastation this development created in my
life (close to depression). I loved the building process and was looking
forward to flying my airplane. Now all these dreams are wiped out. Perhaps
light sport plane is still an option. I was not an active contributor to the
list since I am a first time builder and my philosophy is to keep silent if
you can't add better advice than already offered. All I can say is that this
list and other RV lists were invaluable aid to me. A big hart felt thank to
all of you. I am writing this to see if any of you guys know someone who
might be interested in taking over the project. I would like to get as much
of my basic cost back as possible. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
My kit had the quick build wing and fuselage, have the firewall forward kit
and a new Lycoming O-320 engine. 90% of the riveting and 100% of the priming
is done, the canopy is assembled. Essentially from here on it is an assembly
project. I have full documentation on everything including cost. Thanks for
any help.
John
RV9-A
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I think that's a salient point. For you guys that CAN fly.... Appreciate
what you have. Our bodies are flawed and they can turn on you tomorrow. At
any age.
Maybe we should have an Rvers "Take a guy whose lost his medical" flying
day.
Remember that Flying Magazine article a couple of years ago when someone
took Gordon Baxter flying? It brought tears to my eyes.
When I'm building the Rv in the garage now and a small plane flies over,
that does too.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> I can wear out a Goldwing !!
> Keep flying guys - while you can and Good luck.
>
> Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
> A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
> Charleston,Arkansas
> Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
>
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Bob,
You raise a good point about responsibility resting with the pilot.
This is particularly so if one starts taking liberties with the rules.
While not suggesting that one ignores rules, limits, requirements, I
would suggest that anyone contemplating doing so take a long hard look
at the medical circumstances. Certainly, in your case, Meniere's
disease, with an acute attack which may be fully unpredictable, can
render a person absolutely unable to fly an aircraft.
On the other hand, a poster that has 60% blockage when the FAA may allow
50%, and with the 'best-guess' from his cardiologist that it is not a
problem, and he's exercising, eating right to lower the overall risk,
may well reach a different conclusion about being a miscreant. In the
end, it's all about risk management--with your health and with the
FAA...both are important.
Regarding the poster with the 60% blockage, I'd suggest that he redo the
test and quiz his Cardiologist about the '60% rating'...is he sure it's
60%? It feels like 50% and sure looks like 50% to you? There is a high
degree of subjectivity in many of these measurements and diagnosis. The
Cardiologist may have 10% to give. Then again, it was maybe closer to
70% and he already 'gave' as much as he can. It's worth asking.
Chuck Jensen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:35 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> This is a touchy subject for me as I am going through much the same
thing.
> A lot of folks have suggested to me that I lie to the FAA and try to
> squeeze through a medical.... but let me ask you this. I have bouts of
> vertigo (Meniere's Disease). Do you really want me flying formation
with
> you?
>
> Look, I get the whole "big bad federal government" thing, but the
first
> step any pilot should consider when getting this news isn't "how can I
> fool the federal government and keep flying, " it's : am I safe to
fly?
> Would I put my kids in the back seat and my wife in the front and
launch?
>
> If you're not sure, then you already know the answer. Alternately,
this
> is a long discussion you can and should have with your doctor (but
> definintely not your AME).
>
> Not telling the FAA is a silly suggestion -- imho -- because you've
> already told the person responsible for making the decision. You.
Your
> medical records are on file, your prescriptions can be traced. and
your
> insurance isn't going to pay for your careening into a schoolyard if
it's
> determined you flew with a known disqualifying condition. And LSA was
> never meant to allow you to either.
>
> Can you get away with it? Maybe. Lots of folks will tell you you can.
And
> you might even be able to rationalize it by telling yourself you're
just
> striking a blow for pilot's freedom; that's it's really not about
flying
> safely. But let's dig a little deeper. Where do you draw the line?
An
> epileptic seizure? A debilitating bout of vertigo? Narcolepsy?
>
> Would you get into a plane as a passenger with one control stick and a
> pilot with no license and no training? Why not? They're just
exercising
> their freedom.
>
> I'm with you. I probably will never fly again and there's nothing
right
> now more depressing than that. I'm searching for ways to do so, but
lying
> and breaking the law isn't an option for me. Why? Because if I do, I
can
> never again look in the mirror and say I'm a responsible pilot. I can
> never advocate for us to fly safer and fly smarter and lead by
example.
> And those are important to me.
>
> I can try to kid myself and say it's just me striking a blow against
the
> bureacracy. Except for one thing. I know that it's not safe for me to
fly.
> And I know it's not safe for YOU for me to fly.
>
> I can read the FAR as well as anyone and I can see I have a
disqualifying
> condition. I KNOW that I'm required to ground myself and I KNOW I'm
> required to tell the FAA...not at my next medical. Right now.
>
> Do I like it? Hell no. It changes the entire rest of my life,
including
> big plans for how my wife and I were to spend our retirement. But
that's
> what being an adult is about in this world. Making sound decisions.
>
> So what do I recommend? I can't tell you what to do. I can only tell
you
> what I'm doing. I'm going to keep building, and I may accelerate my
> building, basically for the same reason someone else posted: I
finished
> plane is worth more than an unfinished one. If I'm never going to
fly it
> but sell it when it's done...I can load more goodies into it, because
I
> won't have to pay for it. Someone else will.
>
> In the meantime, I'm not giving up. I'm still going to investigate
what
> alternatives are out there -- medically speaking -- that might allow
me to
> one day fly again. But I'm not going to count on it. And I'm not going
to
> risk anyone's life -- including my own -- or leave my estate stuck
with a
> $1 million dollar payout because I wanted to fly illegally.
>
> One of the reasons I started the RV Builder's Hotline, is it's one way
to
> still be a part of the RV community, even though I probably won't have
an
> RV. That's why I'll probably build another RV when this one is done.
> Maybe folks will stop when they're flying via Minnesota and give me a
ride
> in THEIR RV sometime. Hey, it's not the way I thought things were
going to
> work out, but that's still a hell of a lot better than 99% of the
people
> on this planet.
>
> We homebulders build becaue we love challenges. Well...now I've got
one.
> And you've got one too. Meet it the same way you approach meeting the
> building challenge -- like a professional.
>
> YMMV.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30824#30824
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
The flying community is truly unique. You realize you have friends you never
knew existed. Thank you guys, but expressing this in words will never be
enough. Your words of encouragement mean everything for me. I put into this
project heart and sole and you are right it would be a shame to quit
something I enjoyed so much. As you suggested I will try to go on. I am
still in the dumper, but maybe just working on my RV project will help. I
have talked to AOPA and EAA but they could not come up with any suggestions.
The sad part of this is that I feel I am not a danger to anyone on the
ground or in the air. Except for the medication I have to take I could fly.
Obviously I do not know if my condition will become more serious in the
future. If that would happen I would ground myself without FAA's help.
According to two doctors I will have to stay on the pills for life and these
are the mildest of the bunch. I wish the FAA would be less bureaucratic
(even the word is a mouthful). Many of your suggestions were really helpful
and I will try to follow up on them. I hope these discussions will be
helpful for others now or in the future, they sure helped me. Thanks
again!!!
John
RV9-A
Firewall Forward
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> On the other hand, a poster that has 60% blockage when the
> FAA may allow 50%, and with the 'best-guess' from his
> cardiologist that it is not a problem, and he's exercising,
> eating right to lower the overall risk, may well reach a
> different conclusion about being a miscreant. In the end,
> it's all about risk management--with your health and with the
> FAA...both are important.
>
That is certainly true. And every individual is different; that's one of the
problems, I guess. (g). Aside from flying, you now what I'd do if I had
even 50% blockage... I'd have an angioplasty done. I'm not a doctor, but
I'd be worried that the 50% becomes 60%, and then 70% and then stroke city.
But, yes, I think you're right, I think the minute you get a diagnose, it's
time to do a LOT of homework and question-asking to really pin down what's
what. Like I said, completely separate from flying, blockage is a good
thign for longevity.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
jszantho(at)gmail.com wrote:
> The flying community is truly unique. You realize you have friends you never
> knew existed.
John, Best of luck to you and working on the RV will, at times, be tough... or
bittersweet is perhaps a better word. The minute you sell it, you lose touch with
the RV community. Losing flying privileges is bad....losing a community is
worse.
What you and I -- and others -- are going to have to figure out...is how to build
an RV and get it flight tested and hangared etc., when it isn't going to be
hours. Doesn't make sense buying or renting a hangar.... so we'll need that RV
FLYING community to really help us out.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
John, do you mind sharing what the medication is? Only so we know if it =
is
ever mentioned to any of us.=0D
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thanks=0D
Tim =0D
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-------Original Message-------=0D
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From: Szantho B. Szantho=0D
Subject: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble=0D
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>=0D
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The flying community is truly unique. You realize you have friends you ne=
ver=0D
knew existed. Thank you guys, but expressing this in words will never be=0D
enough. Your words of encouragement mean everything for me. I put into th=
is=0D
project heart and sole and you are right it would be a shame to quit=0D
something I enjoyed so much. As you suggested I will try to go on. I am=0D
still in the dumper, but maybe just working on my RV project will help. I=
=0D
have talked to AOPA and EAA but they could not come up with any suggestio=
ns.=0D
The sad part of this is that I feel I am not a danger to anyone on the=0D
ground or in the air. Except for the medication I have to take I could fl=
y.=0D
Obviously I do not know if my condition will become more serious in the=0D
future. If that would happen I would ground myself without FAA's help.=0D
According to two doctors I will have to stay on the pills for life and th=
ese=0D
are the mildest of the bunch. I wish the FAA would be less bureaucratic=0D
(even the word is a mouthful). Many of your suggestions were really helpf=
ul=0D
and I will try to follow up on them. I hope these discussions will be=0D
helpful for others now or in the future, they sure helped me. Thanks=0D
again!!!=0D
=0D
John=0D
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RV9-A=0D
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| Subject: | The Fourth Annual Rebel's Bluff Fly-In |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Posted on behalf of Les Featherston. I can vouch that he puts on a real =
nice fly-in. Be there or be square. Vince
*************************************************************************=
***********************************************************************
The Fourth Annual Rebel's Bluff Fly-In
Les Featherston will host the Fourth Annual Rebel's Bluff Fly-In on =
Saturday, May 6th at 10:00 A.M. until 5:00 P.M. Come on over for a great =
day of flying and visiting pilots from all over the Midwest. All =
aircraft are welcome and we should see some very nice homebuilt RV's, =
lovely antiques, Cessna, Beech, Piper, etc. And I wouldn't by surprised =
by a few "surprise" ships.=20
Rebels Bluff Airstrip is located 2 miles NNE of Mt. Vernon Municipal =
Airport (2MO) and 2 =BD miles west of the town of Mt. Vernon, Missouri. =
The lat/longs are N37 06.1 W93 52.2. The runways 14/32 are 2,200'of very =
nice sod. Right traffic is preferred to RW14. Use UNICOM 122.9, and =
announce "Mt. Vernon Traffic, landing at Rebel's Bluff". AvGas is =
available.
The best news is food. "The ladies at FBC will be serving lunch as a =
fund raiser" and promise some scrumptious items on the menu.=20
Your R.S.V.P. really helps with the planning and is greatly appreciated. =
Last but not least, the Rain Date is Saturday, May 13th. See Ya'll at =
the 'Bluff.
Les Featherston #17-4666-4663 (home), #-425-3595 (cell)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Good advice. If it is something that might take a special issuance,
there are folks such as Virtual Flight Surgeons that supposedly
facilitate getting all the right data to the FAA and through their
system. I've been grounded with kidney stone in the past and AOPA was
very helpful in getting my medical restored once the condition had
passed.
Quoting marknlisa@hometel.com:
> --> RV-List message posted by: marknlisa@hometel.com
>
> John,
>
> Please, please, please listen to the good advice from the group and finish
> your project. You'll never forgive yourself if you don't build that -9
> and see it fly, especially after all the hard work you've invested. The
> worst-case is you can't renew your FAA medical and someone has to fly with
> you. There are two individuals in my area in that situation and they fly
> regularly -- all they need is a qualified pilot to ride along and log the
> time. Somehow they never seem to have trouble finding a volunteer, even
> on short notice!
>
> Definitely contact AOPA for help with your medical issue vis-a-vis the
> FAA. You might be surprised what you can get waived if you follow the
> right procedure. AOPA has been helping folks with these problems for a
> long time and they have a staff of experts for just that purpose.
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
Tim Bryan asked me about the medication I take. If any of you guys want to
know, send me an e-mail and I will send it to your mailbox.
John
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| Subject: | New fuel valve handle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" <mail@cleavelandtool.com>
We have designed a new fuel handle for those using Van's stock fuel =
valve. =20
They will be available in a few weeks for $47. =20
See our website for more info or to pre-order at: =
http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=3DRVFS1
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean that
>it can't happen tomorrow. Witness 9/11.
No KIDDING! Daaaaa,
AND you invoke 9/11 somehow to make a point. Shame on you! Not
only is that distastefully its ridiculous.
Look your chance of flying your RV into the ground and killing yourself
is way way way greater than being sued, so my suggestion is dont sell
your plane or even fly at all, it is safer.
No one said that you could NOT be sued but the risk is small with some
common sense precautions. When talking legal issues you have to be
rational and think in terms of RULE OF LAW. Get a Lawyer, specifically
an aviation lawyer who understands product liability; ask them to get a
perspective. Just get educated and cover your A, that's all.
Let me repeat for you, legal precedence indicates the sensational fear of
lawsuit is OVER hyped, although it is possible. Any thing is possible.
Heck, Piper got sued for a 65 year old Piper Cub because the plane did
not have shoulder harness. Of course the idiot pilot took off on a closed
runway and hit a truck. So sure someone could sue you, but their chance
of winning is small if you take some precautions, that others and myself
have spoke to which I will not repeat. Get smart not concerned and anxious.
If someone does a low level loop in a plane you built, that has changed
hands three times, crashes, dies, your liability is small. Yes you may
need to defend yourself, but unless they can prove you contributed to it,
than the case is weak. You could counter sue them for a frivolous lawsuit.
Now if the wing folded because you did not put the rivets in, than yes
you are liable and should be.
Van was sued for a factory RV-8 in-flight wing failure. Van prevaliled.
This was a factory plane with an employee and the employees friend.
A professional waiver could have all kinds of legal stipulations to cover
your A. I am not going to give advice here. GET A GOOD LAWYER.
Spend the time, money and effort to cover yourself per your legal
council, and you can sell a RV or whatever with confidence and
reduced risk of lawsuit, which statistically from legal precedence
is already small (small but not non-existent). You have to weigh the
risk with good counsel. I don't recommend a homemade waiver.
Nuff Said. George
---------------------------------
Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting
at 1¢/min.
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| Subject: | Re: Interpreting Aileron Position |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
After digesting all the replies, for which I thank you all, I got this =
idea from Phil Birkelbachs. I have adjusted the ailerons so that they =
are both at the same angle of attack on the assumption that they would =
be equally balanced in flight. Right now, when one is lined up with =
it's flap, the other lines up with the other flap. Seeing that they are =
indicating a roll to the left by their in-flight position even though =
I'm applying considerable roll right stick input to stay level tells me =
they're not balanced in this position. What I should be doing is =
decreasing the angle of attack on the powerful aileron, the left one, =
and increasing the angle of attack of the right one to get an in-flight =
balance position with the ailerons closer to the known neutral in-trail =
position. This will look funny on the ground because they won't line up =
with the flaps but something I can't see or measure is changing the =
airflow each sees & I should adjust to that.
Is this reasonable? I think I'll just adjust one aileron or the other a =
little 'out of line' to see how this works.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Why don't we all pitch in a dollar and get a good waiver written that we
could all use. Why should we each spend the money to have these things
drawn up.=0D
=0D
Tim =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com=0D
Subject: RV-List: Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilt=
s?)=0D
=0D
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>=0D
=0D
>posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>=0D
>=0D
>Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean that=0D
>it can't happen tomorrow. Witness 9/11.=0D
=0D
=0D
No KIDDING! Daaaaa,=0D
=0D
AND you invoke 9/11 somehow to make a point. Shame on you! Not=0D
only is that distastefully its ridiculous.=0D
=0D
Look your chance of flying your RV into the ground and killing yourself=
=0D
is way way way greater than being sued, so my suggestion is dont sell=0D
your plane or even fly at all, it is safer.=0D
=0D
No one said that you could NOT be sued but the risk is small with some=0D
common sense precautions. When talking legal issues you have to be=0D
rational and think in terms of RULE OF LAW. Get a Lawyer, specifically=0D
an aviation lawyer who understands product liability; ask them to get a=0D
perspective. Just get educated and cover your A, that's all.=0D
=0D
Let me repeat for you, legal precedence indicates the sensational fear of=
=0D
lawsuit is OVER hyped, although it is possible. Any thing is possible.=0D
Heck, Piper got sued for a 65 year old Piper Cub because the plane did=0D
not have shoulder harness. Of course the idiot pilot took off on a closed=
=0D
runway and hit a truck. So sure someone could sue you, but their chance=0D
of winning is small if you take some precautions, that others and myself=0D
have spoke to which I will not repeat. Get smart not concerned and anxiou=
s.=0D
=0D
If someone does a low level loop in a plane you built, that has changed=0D
hands three times, crashes, dies, your liability is small. Yes you may=0D
need to defend yourself, but unless they can prove you contributed to it,=
=0D
than the case is weak. You could counter sue them for a frivolous lawsuit=
=2E=0D
Now if the wing folded because you did not put the rivets in, than yes=0D
you are liable and should be.=0D
=0D
Van was sued for a factory RV-8 in-flight wing failure. Van prevaliled.=
=0D
This was a factory plane with an employee and the employees friend.=0D
=0D
A professional waiver could have all kinds of legal stipulations to cov=
er=0D
your A. I am not going to give advice here. GET A GOOD LAWYER.=0D
=0D
Spend the time, money and effort to cover yourself per your legal=0D
council, and you can sell a RV or whatever with confidence and=0D
reduced risk of lawsuit, which statistically from legal precedence=0D
is already small (small but not non-existent). You have to weigh the=0D
risk with good counsel. I don't recommend a homemade waiver.=0D
=0D
Nuff Said. George=0D
=0D
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Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rat=
es
starting at 1¢/min.=0D
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "charles heathco" <cheathco@junct.com>
As for me, if I dont feel right, I dont fly, and if Im feeling ok, but =
not up to snuff, i will fly, but wont tack anyone else up with me. I =
think this is a paoint that Faa is missing. I would assume this is the =
way most of us think. If I dont feel right, I dont fly, Yes?? Charlie =
Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Datapoint for Fairings Speed Improvement |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Jerry,
Call me at 920 619 6968 and I will explain in detail. It would take a week
to type out an explanation on email.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Datapoint for Fairings Speed Improvement
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Dick ...
> Can you expand on the description starting with:
>
> As a general statement, the upper gear to fuse fairing will be
>> more efficient when it has a lead is between 1 and 2 inchs long with a
>> long
>> ,narrow taper to the gear leg.
>
> Pictures would be good if you have them.
>
> Thanks ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
>>
>> Mark,
>> Welcome to the world of faster airplanes. A giant engine helps, but a
>> CLEAN, LIGHT airplane always wins the speed contests. I have an RV8 and
>> during my initial testing, I experimented with various gear leg to
>> fuselage
>> fairings and found that a considerable speed increase is available at
>> this
>> junction. An easy way to test the efficiency of the fairing is to spray
>> some waste oil on the fuselage in the area where the landing gear
>> attachs,
>> and then go up an fly the airplane. If the fairing is efficient, you
>> will
>> see perfectly shaped oil lines on the side of the fuselage depicting the
>> airflow (just like the pictures in the technical magazines). If the flow
>> lines are erattic, you know you need to try some variations in shape of
>> the
>> fairing. As a general statement, the upper gear to fuse fairing will be
>> more efficient when it has a lead is between 1 and 2 inchs long with a
>> long
>> ,narrow taper to the gear leg. A side note: some RV8s experience a
>> sliight
>> tail shudder when stall landing. If the above fairing is correct, the
>> tail
>> shudder disappears.
>> Good luck with your project and hope to see you and others in the Air
>> Venture Races.
>> Dick Martin
>> RV8 N233M
>> the fast one
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 4/26/2006 4:50:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
flyrv6@bryantechnology.com writes:
Why don't we all pitch in a dollar and get a good waiver written that we
could all use. Why should we each spend the money to have these things
drawn up.
=================================
They're readily available. Would you like one?
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
When dealing with medication, a lot of times what the FAA is looking is side effects.
We all know, of course, how important it is to "stay ahead of" our machines.
That's not easy sometimes with a clear head. Some of these meds are aimed
directly at the brain and are intended to slow or change the signals it gets.
It's very hard to stay ahead of a machine at that point. Even though we might
feel "fine."
The perfect solution? Meds with no side effects. But then they probably wouldn't
work.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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